Thank you. As an Eastern Catholic who is starting to embrace the original Orthodox Fast I found this very helpful in my understanding of its historical context.
Absolutely wonderful! I have never felt that God would want his beautiful creations to suffer which is why since a child I refused to eat meat and am vegan. This is a comfort to my soul 💚
Thank you for this wonderful video. I have a bit of confusion over some of this if anyone wouldn't mind answering some questions: > God permitted man to eat flesh following the fall because they couldn't meet the high standard. But why did God continue to demand burnt offerings, and for Jews to consume the flesh of the sacrificed lamb during Passover? > Did carnivorous and omnivorous animals appear post-fall? Did they not eat meat, and therefore kill and cause death, pre-fall? Thanks, and Glory to Jesus Christ
I have a question in regards to the way Coptic Orthodox fasting, yet I cannot find any direct answers. I know that Coptic Orthodox is not in communion with Eastern orthodox, but could one eat shellfish like Greek Orthodox Christians during fasting days?
@@theegyptiangod123o the monks do better than the Lord Jesus and His Apostles? Even in the OT when the Lord vvisits Abraham , Abraham offers him a calf and milk. Eating meat and milk is natural and it’s good for us
Did not listen to the whole video yet. But have a question for you . how about people who are insulin resistance, pre diabetic , diabetic Type 2,1,and 3 without even knowing that they have this condition until too late . those people are the majority of humans living on earth today your recommendation to abstain from eating animal product during fasting period according to the Coptic Church tradition , fasting extend to most of the days of the year so, what people eat during this extended fasting days they eat high carb, pasta, rice, potatoes, legumes, lots of sweets,lots of fruits,low quality oil. to be continued....... ......
There is always an element of economia in the life of the Church. One should address their specific health issues with their spiritual father and come up with a rule that would be feasible and edifying for the individual. The point of fasting in never to simply 'do as told'.
How does dairy fit into this understanding of fasting and Creation/Recreation? The production and consumption of dairy doesn’t require killing animals. While pre-fallen man may not have eaten it, would he have even if he didn’t fall? Will we eat it in the world to come?
humanity is spirtually connected to the animal kingdom That is an interesting statement What does it mean ? And if I may ask then why God allowed millions and millions of animals to be slaughtered as sacrifices If humanity should have compassion towards the creation which includes the animals then we'd expect God's compassion towards animals to not change as well, meaning how He would not only allow humans to eat meat but allow them to slaughter millions and millions of animals as sacrifices I could be wrong but I think the relationship between our fasting being vegan and our care for creation including animals is an arguable point and not very convincing Forgive me.
The Old Testament post-fall commandments and statues were catered for that fallen humanity. God went down to their level. The same with allowing animals as food after the flood.
Fasting is control the amount of food. Abstaning (Abstance is the type). For education.please.use correct terminology. I am a Dietitian/Nutritionist and clarification is needed.
Eating animals should be immoral. Unfortunately Christianity has given allowance for humans to abuse and slaughter hundreds of billions of helpless animals every year, and it's incredibly difficult to subscribe to Christianity which gives allowance to something the mind and heart feels very strongly against. Also, many of the popular Orthodox Christian channels I've come across on UA-cam also oppose veganism, so it's quite interesting to see the contrast between your channel and theirs. Not only do these Orthodox Christians oppose veganism, but actually go out of their way to create arguments that attempt to reduce animals to mindless automatons that can't suffer or feel pain. I can name those channels if you like, but you probably already know.
It is not Christianity that has given allowance but the current human nature. This is independent of religion. Like anything else in Christianity, Christ doesn’t enforce or impose but each has to come to it willingly.
@@CopticOrthodoxAnswers Thank you for the response. That's the first time I have heard it stated like that. All Christian Orthodox channels I've listened to explicitly state and argue that Christianity gives humans allowance to use animals the way they see fit. Only exception is periods of fasting. One other thing I've heard Orthodox argue, is that even when it comes to animal cruelty, the cruelty has nothing to do with the animal itself, but the act committed by person. So even in the extreme case, there is no actual moral consideration for the animal.
Fasting series: ua-cam.com/video/O0rt1HOq15k/v-deo.html
My cardiologist told me I need to prepare for living vegan 100% just yesterday. Thank you Father and CYC and All Glory to GOD!!!
Thank you. As an Eastern Catholic who is starting to embrace the original Orthodox Fast I found this very helpful in my understanding of its historical context.
Fasting everyday and praying to God to the best combination
Absolutely wonderful! I have never felt that God would want his beautiful creations to suffer which is why since a child I refused to eat meat and am vegan. This is a comfort to my soul 💚
In the Bible, you could eat meat. In fact, in the Old Testament certain animals were sacrificed. But during fasting you fast like a vegan.
Jesus gave people 5 loaves and 2 fish to eat, remember?
@@Cozmc_Myth jesus brother james was a vegetarian and so were essenes
May God bless Orthodxy . Dawit from Ethiopia !
i’m muslim but i respect the copts
Very great lessons, father.
May loving God bless all
The gospel of peace mentions this exactly!!
Amen. I loved this teaching.
Best explanation I have ever heard as an "outsider".
Amen, thank you.
Very well explained.
Thank you Fr Gabriel Amen
Awesome explanation 🙏🙏🙏
Wow amazing. Thank you!
Thank you for this wonderful video. I have a bit of confusion over some of this if anyone wouldn't mind answering some questions:
> God permitted man to eat flesh following the fall because they couldn't meet the high standard. But why did God continue to demand burnt offerings, and for Jews to consume the flesh of the sacrificed lamb during Passover?
> Did carnivorous and omnivorous animals appear post-fall? Did they not eat meat, and therefore kill and cause death, pre-fall?
Thanks, and Glory to Jesus Christ
I’m wondering the same thing^
Great lesson
Is there any connection to the Daniel fast?
Very very nice
True Children of Lord Jesus Christ
I have a question in regards to the way Coptic Orthodox fasting, yet I cannot find any direct answers.
I know that Coptic Orthodox is not in communion with Eastern orthodox, but could one eat shellfish like Greek Orthodox Christians during fasting days?
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why don't priests tell us anymore about this : Cursed is the larynx that eats meat and fish on wednesday and Friday, and not just during lent.?
Does that mean we should just always fast? I know the answer would probably be no since we don't but why?
The monks don’t eat meat. But the rest of us are weak, and so we do.
@@theegyptiangod123 I mean some regular people who aren't Christians are vegan anyway?
@@PoloBlendz and that’s good! That’s the true human nature
@@theegyptiangod123o the monks do better than the Lord Jesus and His Apostles? Even in the OT when the Lord vvisits Abraham , Abraham offers him a calf and milk. Eating meat and milk is natural and it’s good for us
We didn’t originally eat meat, and in the restoration, when Jesus returns, we will not eat meat. There will be no death.
Did not listen to the whole video yet.
But have a question for you .
how about people who are insulin resistance, pre diabetic , diabetic Type 2,1,and 3
without even knowing that they have this condition until too late .
those people are the majority of humans living on earth today
your recommendation to abstain from eating animal product during fasting period
according to the Coptic Church tradition , fasting extend to most of the days of the year
so, what people eat during this extended fasting days
they eat high carb, pasta, rice, potatoes, legumes, lots of sweets,lots of fruits,low quality oil.
to be continued....... ......
There is always an element of economia in the life of the Church. One should address their specific health issues with their spiritual father and come up with a rule that would be feasible and edifying for the individual. The point of fasting in never to simply 'do as told'.
That is why you research before you adapt opinion. I am a Dietitian/Nutritionist and I know of what I speak.
How does dairy fit into this understanding of fasting and Creation/Recreation? The production and consumption of dairy doesn’t require killing animals. While pre-fallen man may not have eaten it, would he have even if he didn’t fall? Will we eat it in the world to come?
No Heaven is different. Read some of the visions of SAINTS.
Does eating meat count as killing because they you buy the meet the animal is already dead?
Yes because you pay others to do it. It's the law of supply and demand.
humanity is spirtually connected to the animal kingdom
That is an interesting statement
What does it mean ?
And if I may ask then why God allowed millions and millions of animals to be slaughtered as sacrifices
If humanity should have compassion towards the creation which includes the animals then we'd expect God's compassion towards animals to not change as well, meaning how He would not only allow humans to eat meat but allow them to slaughter millions and millions of animals as sacrifices
I could be wrong but I think the relationship between our fasting being vegan and our care for creation including animals is an arguable point and not very convincing
Forgive me.
well, sometimes even humans were offered as a sacrifice as well
The Old Testament post-fall commandments and statues were catered for that fallen humanity. God went down to their level. The same with allowing animals as food after the flood.
Fasting is control the amount of food. Abstaning (Abstance is the type). For education.please.use correct terminology. I am a Dietitian/Nutritionist and clarification is needed.
why do you do your cross from left to right. It should be right to left. Jesus sits at the right hand of the father not the left
God came down from heaven, made people of evil(left) people of God(right).
The camera is inverted
Eating animals should be immoral. Unfortunately Christianity has given allowance for humans to abuse and slaughter hundreds of billions of helpless animals every year, and it's incredibly difficult to subscribe to Christianity which gives allowance to something the mind and heart feels very strongly against.
Also, many of the popular Orthodox Christian channels I've come across on UA-cam also oppose veganism, so it's quite interesting to see the contrast between your channel and theirs. Not only do these Orthodox Christians oppose veganism, but actually go out of their way to create arguments that attempt to reduce animals to mindless automatons that can't suffer or feel pain. I can name those channels if you like, but you probably already know.
It is not Christianity that has given allowance but the current human nature. This is independent of religion. Like anything else in Christianity, Christ doesn’t enforce or impose but each has to come to it willingly.
@@CopticOrthodoxAnswers
Thank you for the response.
That's the first time I have heard it stated like that.
All Christian Orthodox channels I've listened to explicitly state and argue that Christianity gives humans allowance to use animals the way they see fit. Only exception is periods of fasting.
One other thing I've heard Orthodox argue, is that even when it comes to animal cruelty, the cruelty has nothing to do with the animal itself, but the act committed by person. So even in the extreme case, there is no actual moral consideration for the animal.
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