@@MattiasKrantzshorts Sure, that's also a great idea! :D The guitar is already very intimidating for a potential player, so keeping at least some of its aspects similar to a normal instrument would indeed be desirable.
Tune it all to D open and tune the strings in such a way you'll have the right tension. If you tune it to open you just make a D major chord using the notes D, F# and A. EDIT: or any open tuning.
I right now found that the guitar strings has some good tensions at some random open chord. Not sure which one but the strings are from low to high ( C E B E G B C D then another D because I haven't come that far to try lowest string. is this like open E minor or something. But basically open tuning overall seems like good approach. Should the bass section also be open? not sure how to make them vibe with each other. If anyone can chime in
@@MattiasKrantzshorts I think chords in the lower register (open strings included) don't really sound good on bass because the harmonics tend to clash more and the sound becomes muddy. Maybe try tuning them in fifths like a cello? Generally the lower the register, the wider the intervals in the chord need to be to sound clear Would be glad if someone corrects me
@@MattiasKrantzshorts I would say Open C might offer you some advantages. GCGCEGCECC or some cursed shit like that, common thing to do in indie folk music because you get a great sound on melody parts with the unison top end, but I don't know if you'll be able to play it with the same laziness on this type of guitar tbh. You probably know better than me if open tuning will work with the other strings going on as well. If you can't reliably mute that section, it will ring all the time because of sympathetic vibrations. For low strings it might be better to keep a drop d situation on your lowest strings, especially if they are likely to happen at the same time. The only open tuning I have ever seen anyone reliably use on a 7 string is GCGCGCE. To spice things more than a C triad, you could try adding higher D's or B's, if either of those seem to work well, and possibly a very low F to use when u go to a 4 chord. DAEAC#E for example is just an A chord with a 4 on the bottom, but that might be muddy and useless on this setup.
Man I'd love to see Rob scallion involved in this. Somehow. You know he would be able to shred it whilst also helping a ton with the R&D for it even though most of the project is done. It would also be such an amazing collab. Edit: autocorrect doesn't like "scallon" I ain't fixing it because it's funnier that way.
Yeah, and considering he has experience with the thicc mirror double neck guitar-bass thing, he could also figure smth out around how to play the thing
For the guitar section, there’s a kind of obscure tuning for 8 string classical guitar, called Brahms guitar. You raise the first string to A, then descend through standard guitar tuning. The 8th string is tuned to B. With your ninth string, you can either use djent tuning (their 8th string) and make it F#, or go with lute or Narcisso Yepes tradition and go down by a second. So either F#, B, standard tuning then A; or standard tuning with B, A, G below
Usually nine string guitars have the extra strings on the bottom end to go lower not on the top That's what I would suggest normal tuning and then just add two more transitional strings before the bass
Open tuning or repeated tuning as others have suggested would give a more playable than "standard" tuning. Don't be afraid to double or triple notes, too.
Another thing that might help is in the bass section, a standard tuned bass should be tuned to E1, A1, D2, G2 (low to high). Additionally, for the 2 lower strings (if you want to keep the standard bass tuning) you can tune them to B0, F#0. Though you did mention that it has a longer scale length so there is more tension in the strings than what a normal guitar would have. So that tuning might not be possible.
@@snargemccoy8813 how would a high C work with a thicker gauge? Or are you saying to have the thicker string be tuned to B0 and have that 6th string a high C? maybe it could work. But then again, the longer scale length may prevent him from tuning it to a high C
Even if it's impractical I love the look of it, reminds of a Gatling-gun/mini-gun and makes me want to hear some Argent DOOM metal played on it! Also would you play with a metal slide?
I dont think its a terrible idea to tune the higher strings in unison, could give sort of a 12-string vibe. Could also go with having the top three being E-B-E which would also give some of thoes unsion vibes but also make it possible to play som triads on them. As for the bass part im pretty sure the tuning goes from E1-A1-D2-G2 and not E0-A0-D1-G1, dont know if you missspoke but that could be the source of the tention problem, but if you want a tuning similar to what you have now i would raise the highest string so you have B-1-E0-A0-D1-G1-C2 (makes more sense for bass). FYI not a guitarist or bass player but i like musiktheory
If you want, you could slide the bridge for those last few string up to make the scale length shorter just for those strings, but I take it that would be more work than you'd want. So instead you could tune from the highest string e, and then tune the other strings lower accordingly. Better to have floppy low strings than to have a broken high string
You should totally play it using a violin/viola bow. Would probably work better with flatwound strings but it with a bow it could become a very interesting drone machine. Also, try to play it with a bottleneck? Should be easier to change notes that way. As for the tuning, probably some open tuning would be the most appropriate for this kind of instrument.
that is one of the most genius ideas for a guitar i've ever seen. i do hope you got a patent. it still needs work but the basic concept is total genius why has no one done this before ?
Most guitars with more strings add notes on the bass instead of treble. I would do something like C#F#BEADGBE. For the bass I would do something similar, keeping with 4ths. Of course, you could also do a nice open tuning that would make anything you play sound nice at least in one key. I don't know how many strings you have in total. One I've been using a bit lately is FACEGB for guitar. This is simply alternating major and minor thirds. The smaller intervals would help with your string issues as well, dealing with getting either too thin or too thick. Perhaps for the whole thing, something along the lines of DFACEGBDFACEGB repeating could create some cool sounds.
The regular bass guitar tuning is E1, A1, D2 and G2. You tuned the other string to G1 anyway on a thicker string. If you think the tension is too low, then just try using thicker strings for the bass guitar. The regular bass guitar tuning is E1, A1, D2 and G2 anyway. For E4, if you're worried the tension is too much, try using different materials for the higher strings like titanium and you can maybe go higher than E4.
It would need a redesign but frets that protrude using a cam system under the fretboard could be really cool for making a new version of self playing guitar.
Try this, Use two sets of strings, a low gage and a high gage. Of the low gage for top 6, 5, and 4th strings. Now set up the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st. strings from each set as you would a 12 string guitar. That is - place the 3rd, 2nd. and 1st. strings of each set in pairs, this 9 string guitar will have a heavy gage 3rd. string on its 6th. string, a 2nd heavy gage on its 4th. string, and a heavy 1st on its second string, while the light gage 3rd. goes onto its 5th. string, the 2nd light gage on its 3rd string, and the light gage 1st. onto its 1st string. I hope this is helpful - From Israel.
I have been dreaming about an instrument that has a neck with guitar and bass strings and a launch pad or digital drums and about two octaves of piano keys on the body . I was having the issue that the neck would get too wide for all the strings. I was not even thinking about rotating the neck! This is amazing :D
Open tuning with a 360 degree two part rolling capo... something akin to a hose clamp that you can roll up and down the neck. That way you can rotate freely for open chords and stop rotating to finger specific notes.
I would suggest simply putting a bass and guitar together: Bass: B, E, A, D, G, B, Guitar: E, A, D, G, B, E. That way it would be familiar to Bass/Guitar players and they'd be able to play it pretty much straight away. But this is a great idea, well done.
Slasher used a banjo string for the highest string to give him more range. Also, I would tune your thicker guitar strings to a lower note. Then you can pitch all the other strings down for the rest of them if needed
There actually are strings thinner than for a standard E tuning if you look at custom single strings from brands like GHS you can find as thin as 5 or 6 instead of typical 8 or 9 and I'm sure I've seen once a boutique brand doing even thinner but it was so expensive I forgot the name...
I play a 5 string base. Tuned low for metal. I tuned my lowest string for A0. 16hz. From there it makes sense to cover as many octaves as possible while keeping complimentary notes within fingers reach. The reach will be different to regular guitars so you need to get creative and buck conventional tuning. Just keep 5ths and 3rds within reach and cover as many octaves as possible.
You need a crafty open tuning where all of the strings basically create a chord together, like Open G, Open A, Open C. Then you can play the neck side with a slide, you should get some wild sounds out of that in open tuning.
Tune it to an "open string" tuning all the way around in a single key so that you can play many of the notes open which also might make the rotating playing easier as you could just rotate with a pick on the string for a cool tune. If going this way look at what key you want stuff. I'd probably recommend D mostly because that is a key with tab for the Axis of Awesome 4 chords song. There is also dadgad tuning which is the open string tuning I have had the most exposure. G and C are other 'common' guitar and base standard tunings Another way to identify what is possible it to look at what the limits of your strings 'are' and decide a key from within its limitations. Or just identify two songs you want to fiddle with that sound good in a shared key.
1:21 Lmao, the guy who tuned the whole piano to E poses the question. X) Well played. Honestly, having 3 the same could be useful for tremolo. It's worth a lot more on a guitar than a piano, since it can be fretted. There's also an instrument called a "tremolo harmonica" which adds a slightly out of tune note on either side (flat and sharp) to deliberately summon the wavy out of tune noise, so you could try something like that. Maybe you'll fall in love with it and it and build a new genre of gattling guitar music around it.
You can replace those high strings with 7-36 guitar strings, or you can tune the guitar in an open tuning, maybe open g or f, that will release some string tension.
Since your high E is a problem, drop everything a full tone. Instead of starting with B on your 7 string set up, start with A instead. Or maybe you could emulate piano strings tuning. IDK but that guitar is amazingly cool looking. Ive been playing for decades and seen them come and go, but yours is tops. Keep working and dont give up. My fingers are trying to wrap themselves around that fretboard though. Maybe you could have a pedal dedicated to rotation. again IDK. BTW bass strings are just like regualr guitar strings as far as tuning goes. Standard E A D G. You may even try a whole different system. Cheers mate. Top shelf.
As a 8 string guitarist, who also plays bass. Pretty much the only way I could make that thing playable is in an open tuning. It doesnt matter what tuning the bass is in, since you're not usually playing chords anyways.
You can try tuning it to smaller intervals. There are tunings where you can have the G string tuned G and the B string tune to A (so a major 2nd instead of a major 3rd). Maybe you can chose a nice chord with extensions and tune it up to this chord. For example EMaj13. So the tuning (for the guitar part) would be E-G#-B-D#-F#-G#-B-C#-D# for example. You can do something similar for the Bass. You can also try tuning up to triads as some else suggested. In any case, the solution has to basically be to tune the guitar/bass in smaller intervals. Instead of perfect 4th, you can try minor and major 3rd or something like that. The price to pay is that you won't be able to use regular hand shapes for chords but everyone who plays in altered tunings are accustomed to that
I think for the 2 extra strings you should tune to A3 and D4. for the bass it could be F#0-B0-E1- A1- D2. And the fret less bass could be the standard E-A-D.
If there's 9 guitar strings I would just tune it to a standard 9 string guitar tuning C#, F#, B, E, A, D, G, B, E. Either that or tune it to some open tuning so it actually sounds decent when it's spinning. Open tunings can make anything sound good.
The best thing would probably be an open tuning, Then you could even spin it aroind to play achord. or you could do like a baritone tuning for the guitar part, and tune those extra high strings as high as you feel comfortable with. Or start by tuning the higher strings and go down from there
Okok here's one way to look at it: How about for the guitar-section, you go for a merge between standard tuning and DADGAD, for instance by doing BEADGBEAD, meaning you're adding the two top strings from DADGAD, but not the lower D. Alternatively, you could switch it around, so it becomes: BEADGADBE. Also, you're saying that doing normal bass tuning gives the instrument too little tension, but in the video, the bass-section is tuned much lower than a bass normally would be - the brightest one (B) sounding a flat sixth below the actual brightest string of a bass in standard tuning. I'd give another go at standard bass tuning! One potential issue with doing the bass-section normally though, would be that the pitches of the strings "reset" once you enter from one section to another - meaning that the pitch of the strings jumps up when transitioning from guitar to bass (Guitar's low B, up a low sixth to bass's high G.) Hope it works out!
You might take inspitation from ukuleles. They are tuned G-C-E-A, but the C is low, so instead of only rising in pitch, it has a little more color as the neck spins.
Looking up a 9 string guitar tuning it comes out to this: C#, F#, B, E,A,D,G,B,E so instead of going higher, go lower. Though that would mean changing the strings :/
You should have it tuned to play Shepards tones, it would fit perfect with with the roller. Meaning you could have the illusion of a scale by just spinning the rotor
Yes the longer scale causes the strings to have more tension, which is something you have on baritone guitars so you get more tension on lower tunings. The most logical thing for me would be to tune the whole thing down another 1-2 semitones, i know the very low bass strings would be almost useless, but overall i think that would be the safest solution
27' is basically baritone scale length. Many 7-String guitars have this scale length, and there are string sets designed for that. I'd be surprised if you can't tune it B-E-A-d-g-b-e. You also can just tune it a whole step lower (A-standard)
my first inclination would be to try and find an open chord tuning or tune to a pentatonic scale that feels good, doubling some notes here and there ofcourse
I would go more for a open tuning so you can use a slide easy. You can also buy different "e" strings if the tension is not right. you can buy a 0,009" "e" but also a 0,010/0,011/0.008/0,012" ect...
Can you capo them? Of course you can't put on a regular capo, but you could mount an isolated nut on, say, the 5th fret, and then on the 12th fret for the highest string -- giving you two more fourths. Alternatively, you could tune down your whole 7-string section; e.g., from B-E-A-D-G-B-E down to G-C-F-A-Eb-G-C, and then tune the two highest strings up to E and E (for some unison playing).
I don't know if I would recommend going higher with the last two, just because of string tension reasons. I would have your thinnest string be the guitar high E, then your three thickest strings each either be five semitones lower or tuning them to bass E A D. Don't see much benefit to going higher, you could tune the thinnest string five semitones up and then treat the rest of the guitar like an 8 string, but years of snapping thin strings tells me the tension will be way too much.
Depends what you want to do with it. In the music im familiar with, I would go for 9 string tuning, which is C# F# E A D G B E, so if you want 2 steps down, you can do B E A D G C F A D. If you want to do some thing nicer, many people recommended open tunings and triads and others. 9 string is probably easiest and the most straight forward, but there is so much potential to do something more.
For the bass try B E A D G, that's a typical 5 string tuning, I'd start from the top with the strings as you're tuning so start with High E and work backwards until you get to the 7th string and use B for the 7th, F# for the 8th and G# for the 9th.
the tuning on a nine string guitar is C#, F#, B, E, A, D, G, B, E. but if you want it to be easier you should opt for an open tuning for 9 string guitar
Looks like a Gatlin Gun. And you can tune that string to a high E. An 8 string guitar is tuned F#, B, E, A, D, G, B, E. All fourths, with the exception of the B string. Looks like you can play that with a bow as well.
I think you should just do an open tuning that just has the high E string tuned down a bit. Open tuning would also help with playing something like that and help make it sound more musical.
Change the strings to fit a 9 or 8 string guitar and have only one or no strings higher than the high E For an 8 string, the 8th string would be tuned to a low F# if it was standard if I recall correctly (lower than the low B)
Perhaps there should be a "high gain gatling" mode where the only string that is electronically in circuit is the one within the bounds of a narrow angle (aka: where the pick is). That would clean up the string noise through a distorted amp. You could widen it for power-chords/dyads. If not (aka: all strings piped through the circuit), then this weapon would be practically useless for metal unless you zip-tie foam over the nut.
First thing that comes to mind for me is remove two of the high Guitar e strings and put two more low B or E strings, tune them to do power chords with a bar like in drop tunings.
Highest one on e and go down from there until you get to low guitar e and then tune it in fifths down each string, copy the fret less bass section from the start of the fretted one
If the idea is to also play the guitar by just letting the motor run and holding something against the strings, then maybe tune all strings so they can play together without any fretting, for example have all strings be a note of D major.
1. Tune the two additional guitar strings to B and E - the same octave or lower! It'll allow for momentary unison/octave coupling. 2. Since we have all the notes we'll ever need, we may divide the guitar section into two. First half tuned in fourths/regularly, the second in fifths, like cello. 3. Guitar's top three/four strings are usually the "shred"/melody strings, so tune them so. Then do whatever you want with the rest. 4. Check the Charango, it's got very bizzare tuning.
I would just tune each string chromatically and choose sting gauges for that tuning so you can play open stuff on one side while strumming and fretting the other.
Maybe try a lute tuning. Its top two strings are shifted down a bit. Not sure if it's exactly one octave below standard guitar tuning or something else, but you get the idea.
I'm not an engineer, but I do have a degree in music. My thinking is that trying to use standard tuning is maybe just not an option with your design, and there is no need to limit yourself to the standard of a completely different instrument (sure it's still a guitar, but...). Worse, two completely different instruments. I would find a tuning that allows you to space the strings out in even intervals (since you're using guitar strings that really are designed to be tuned in 4ths, start there) so it's easier to play. If you need thinner strings look into those for a twelve string guitar, I'm not certain but I think they use thinner gauge strings. I would advise against keeping those strings as they are and tuning them the same as the highest. Ergonomically it doesn't make much sense to me to have strings tuned the same (therefore definitely supposed to be played synchronistically) spaced that far apart. It's a lot of effort, but you could also remove the frets from those two strings' positions to justify them being there.
I am not 100% sure what the tuning you need is, but I have a good way of doing it algorithmically. Tune the "thinnest" string to the highest note that makes sense (probably a whole note). Tune the thicker strings in perfect fourths all the way down. I think that gives you can octave on the 7th string, so it will feel like guitar but the intervals won't get confusing as you spin. Lets ignore the fretless section for now, because it will just copy the bass. If you can, perfect fourths from thinnest to thickest would be best if it needs to feel like guitar, but I think unlikely to be possible with the right tensions. More likely, you'll tune the thinnest to the highest comfortable pitch, then descend in thirds. This seems possible with the tensions, but your guitar shapes will collapse. You have enough strings that I think sticking in narrow interval ranges makes sense. This video is something like what I'm recommending ua-cam.com/video/MhGpa1j2KBY/v-deo.html
You actually get in touch with Contra Guitar. They have a production of electric contraguitars (guitar + bass hybrid) and may have some advices and solutions for your project
Since there are so many strings, tuning it somewhat harp-like at the top end of the guitar section could be interesting with the lower part of it used for playing chords. As far as the lower bass section goes, I kind of think of it like the harp guitar with a lot of open note bass strings that are scalar just like the top end of the guitar could be. The fretless bass section should just be normal bass tuning in my opinion.
Since there are 9 of them, you could consider something like a triad for each 3-string set: E-G-B, A-C-E, D-F-A
Just a random idea.
I can try! Or something inbetween. Like just a triad in the bottom three? keeping most of the guitar recognizable BEADGBDFA?
@@MattiasKrantzshorts Sure, that's also a great idea! :D The guitar is already very intimidating for a potential player, so keeping at least some of its aspects similar to a normal instrument would indeed be desirable.
Why not loop it back to E-A-D?
@@onuryuksekol No idea, I can try that too!'
what if you just tune the whole thing in fourths so you can use same shape all over to play it @@MattiasKrantzshorts
Tune it all to D open and tune the strings in such a way you'll have the right tension. If you tune it to open you just make a D major chord using the notes D, F# and A.
EDIT: or any open tuning.
I right now found that the guitar strings has some good tensions at some random open chord. Not sure which one but the strings are from low to high ( C E B E G B C D then another D because I haven't come that far to try lowest string. is this like open E minor or something. But basically open tuning overall seems like good approach.
Should the bass section also be open? not sure how to make them vibe with each other. If anyone can chime in
@@MattiasKrantzshorts I think chords in the lower register (open strings included) don't really sound good on bass because the harmonics tend to clash more and the sound becomes muddy. Maybe try tuning them in fifths like a cello?
Generally the lower the register, the wider the intervals in the chord need to be to sound clear
Would be glad if someone corrects me
@@randomdude6361 you're not wrong! they're called low interval limits
@@MattiasKrantzshorts I would say Open C might offer you some advantages. GCGCEGCECC or some cursed shit like that, common thing to do in indie folk music because you get a great sound on melody parts with the unison top end, but I don't know if you'll be able to play it with the same laziness on this type of guitar tbh. You probably know better than me if open tuning will work with the other strings going on as well. If you can't reliably mute that section, it will ring all the time because of sympathetic vibrations.
For low strings it might be better to keep a drop d situation on your lowest strings, especially if they are likely to happen at the same time. The only open tuning I have ever seen anyone reliably use on a 7 string is GCGCGCE. To spice things more than a C triad, you could try adding higher D's or B's, if either of those seem to work well, and possibly a very low F to use when u go to a 4 chord. DAEAC#E for example is just an A chord with a 4 on the bottom, but that might be muddy and useless on this setup.
That sounds like the right way to go. Open tunings might also make this monster somewhat playable :D
Man I'd love to see Rob scallion involved in this. Somehow. You know he would be able to shred it whilst also helping a ton with the R&D for it even though most of the project is done.
It would also be such an amazing collab.
Edit: autocorrect doesn't like "scallon" I ain't fixing it because it's funnier that way.
I agree! You should contact him, he will definitely be into this! :D
That would be an awesome collab.
that'd be dope. Make it part of an episode of sonic boom or whatever
Yeah, and considering he has experience with the thicc mirror double neck guitar-bass thing, he could also figure smth out around how to play the thing
I want this to happen! He's such a nice person, they'd be great together
For the guitar section, there’s a kind of obscure tuning for 8 string classical guitar, called Brahms guitar. You raise the first string to A, then descend through standard guitar tuning. The 8th string is tuned to B. With your ninth string, you can either use djent tuning (their 8th string) and make it F#, or go with lute or Narcisso Yepes tradition and go down by a second.
So either F#, B, standard tuning then A; or standard tuning with B, A, G below
Usually nine string guitars have the extra strings on the bottom end to go lower not on the top That's what I would suggest normal tuning and then just add two more transitional strings before the bass
Open tuning or repeated tuning as others have suggested would give a more playable than "standard" tuning. Don't be afraid to double or triple notes, too.
You must reach out to some of the bass and guitar UA-camrs to get them to try this out.... It looks absolutely fantastic.
Davie and Rob Scallon HAVE TO
Charles
Another thing that might help is in the bass section, a standard tuned bass should be tuned to E1, A1, D2, G2 (low to high). Additionally, for the 2 lower strings (if you want to keep the standard bass tuning) you can tune them to B0, F#0. Though you did mention that it has a longer scale length so there is more tension in the strings than what a normal guitar would have. So that tuning might not be possible.
Or have a high C on the bass instead of the low F#
@@snargemccoy8813 how would a high C work with a thicker gauge? Or are you saying to have the thicker string be tuned to B0 and have that 6th string a high C? maybe it could work. But then again, the longer scale length may prevent him from tuning it to a high C
Even if it's impractical I love the look of it, reminds of a Gatling-gun/mini-gun and makes me want to hear some Argent DOOM metal played on it! Also would you play with a metal slide?
On the other side you can play guitar and pick bass strings with your little friend. IYKWIM
I dont think its a terrible idea to tune the higher strings in unison, could give sort of a 12-string vibe. Could also go with having the top three being E-B-E which would also give some of thoes unsion vibes but also make it possible to play som triads on them. As for the bass part im pretty sure the tuning goes from E1-A1-D2-G2 and not E0-A0-D1-G1, dont know if you missspoke but that could be the source of the tention problem, but if you want a tuning similar to what you have now i would raise the highest string so you have B-1-E0-A0-D1-G1-C2 (makes more sense for bass). FYI not a guitarist or bass player but i like musiktheory
Apparently there actually exist 9 string guitars. The standart tuning of such a guitar is C# F# B E A D G B E
This is probably one of the most creative, ridiculous and mad looking guitar I've ever seen.
If you want, you could slide the bridge for those last few string up to make the scale length shorter just for those strings, but I take it that would be more work than you'd want.
So instead you could tune from the highest string e, and then tune the other strings lower accordingly.
Better to have floppy low strings than to have a broken high string
that is a great idea if the guitar was like made a version 5 off!
he would have to move the pickups too which would probably need a compete redesign at this point
@@namenloserflo yeah, I figured it wouldn't be an easy redesign
No. That won't work. The frets for those strings would have to be moved to match the scale length so it stays in tune when you fret it.
For the lower strings using distortion could help amplify the lower sounds
You should totally play it using a violin/viola bow. Would probably work better with flatwound strings but it with a bow it could become a very interesting drone machine. Also, try to play it with a bottleneck? Should be easier to change notes that way. As for the tuning, probably some open tuning would be the most appropriate for this kind of instrument.
that is one of the most genius ideas for a guitar i've ever seen. i do hope you got a patent. it still needs work but the basic concept is total genius why has no one done this before ?
Most guitars with more strings add notes on the bass instead of treble. I would do something like C#F#BEADGBE. For the bass I would do something similar, keeping with 4ths. Of course, you could also do a nice open tuning that would make anything you play sound nice at least in one key. I don't know how many strings you have in total. One I've been using a bit lately is FACEGB for guitar. This is simply alternating major and minor thirds. The smaller intervals would help with your string issues as well, dealing with getting either too thin or too thick. Perhaps for the whole thing, something along the lines of DFACEGBDFACEGB repeating could create some cool sounds.
The regular bass guitar tuning is E1, A1, D2 and G2. You tuned the other string to G1 anyway on a thicker string. If you think the tension is too low, then just try using thicker strings for the bass guitar. The regular bass guitar tuning is E1, A1, D2 and G2 anyway. For E4, if you're worried the tension is too much, try using different materials for the higher strings like titanium and you can maybe go higher than E4.
It would need a redesign but frets that protrude using a cam system under the fretboard could be really cool for making a new version of self playing guitar.
Drop tuning. Tune your highest string to your highest open note, and then tune each string below accordingly.
Try this, Use two sets of strings, a low gage and a high gage. Of the low gage for top 6, 5, and 4th strings. Now set up the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st. strings from each set as you would a 12 string guitar. That is - place the 3rd, 2nd. and 1st. strings of each set in pairs, this 9 string guitar will have a heavy gage 3rd. string on its 6th. string, a 2nd heavy gage on its 4th. string, and a heavy 1st on its second string, while the light gage 3rd. goes onto its 5th. string, the 2nd light gage on its 3rd string, and the light gage 1st. onto its 1st string. I hope this is helpful - From Israel.
I have been dreaming about an instrument that has a neck with guitar and bass strings and a launch pad or digital drums and about two octaves of piano keys on the body . I was having the issue that the neck would get too wide for all the strings. I was not even thinking about rotating the neck! This is amazing :D
That guitar is something else for sure, but I also love how the tuner detects the pitch of your voice with everything you say lol
@NikNocturnal would have some fun with this, I guess.
Wild design and epic idea.
Well done
Open tuning with a 360 degree two part rolling capo... something akin to a hose clamp that you can roll up and down the neck. That way you can rotate freely for open chords and stop rotating to finger specific notes.
I would suggest simply putting a bass and guitar together: Bass: B, E, A, D, G, B, Guitar: E, A, D, G, B, E. That way it would be familiar to Bass/Guitar players and they'd be able to play it pretty much straight away. But this is a great idea, well done.
Slasher used a banjo string for the highest string to give him more range. Also, I would tune your thicker guitar strings to a lower note.
Then you can pitch all the other strings down for the rest of them if needed
There actually are strings thinner than for a standard E tuning if you look at custom single strings from brands like GHS you can find as thin as 5 or 6 instead of typical 8 or 9 and I'm sure I've seen once a boutique brand doing even thinner but it was so expensive I forgot the name...
I play a 5 string base. Tuned low for metal. I tuned my lowest string for A0. 16hz. From there it makes sense to cover as many octaves as possible while keeping complimentary notes within fingers reach. The reach will be different to regular guitars so you need to get creative and buck conventional tuning.
Just keep 5ths and 3rds within reach and cover as many octaves as possible.
You need a crafty open tuning where all of the strings basically create a chord together, like Open G, Open A, Open C. Then you can play the neck side with a slide, you should get some wild sounds out of that in open tuning.
Tune it to an "open string" tuning all the way around in a single key so that you can play many of the notes open which also might make the rotating playing easier as you could just rotate with a pick on the string for a cool tune.
If going this way look at what key you want stuff. I'd probably recommend D mostly because that is a key with tab for the Axis of Awesome 4 chords song. There is also dadgad tuning which is the open string tuning I have had the most exposure. G and C are other 'common' guitar and base standard tunings
Another way to identify what is possible it to look at what the limits of your strings 'are' and decide a key from within its limitations. Or just identify two songs you want to fiddle with that sound good in a shared key.
1:21 Lmao, the guy who tuned the whole piano to E poses the question. X)
Well played.
Honestly, having 3 the same could be useful for tremolo. It's worth a lot more on a guitar than a piano, since it can be fretted.
There's also an instrument called a "tremolo harmonica" which adds a slightly out of tune note on either side (flat and sharp) to deliberately summon the wavy out of tune noise, so you could try something like that. Maybe you'll fall in love with it and it and build a new genre of gattling guitar music around it.
You can replace those high strings with 7-36 guitar strings, or you can tune the guitar in an open tuning, maybe open g or f, that will release some string tension.
Since your high E is a problem, drop everything a full tone. Instead of starting with B on your 7 string set up, start with A instead. Or maybe you could emulate piano strings tuning. IDK but that guitar is amazingly cool looking. Ive been playing for decades and seen them come and go, but yours is tops. Keep working and dont give up. My fingers are trying to wrap themselves around that fretboard though. Maybe you could have a pedal dedicated to rotation. again IDK. BTW bass strings are just like regualr guitar strings as far as tuning goes. Standard E A D G. You may even try a whole different system. Cheers mate. Top shelf.
As a 8 string guitarist, who also plays bass. Pretty much the only way I could make that thing playable is in an open tuning. It doesnt matter what tuning the bass is in, since you're not usually playing chords anyways.
Maybe digitize it so you could assign any tuning to any string. Six string electrics have that ability. Again IDK but really cool looking guitar.
Tune it to the same note - multiple strings ringing with the same note is still an interesting effect - see "Skinny love" or "Iris" tunings.
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You could tune it to the circle of fifths
Also tune from the thinnest to thickest to avoid the string from breaking
You can try tuning it to smaller intervals. There are tunings where you can have the G string tuned G and the B string tune to A (so a major 2nd instead of a major 3rd). Maybe you can chose a nice chord with extensions and tune it up to this chord. For example EMaj13. So the tuning (for the guitar part) would be E-G#-B-D#-F#-G#-B-C#-D# for example. You can do something similar for the Bass.
You can also try tuning up to triads as some else suggested. In any case, the solution has to basically be to tune the guitar/bass in smaller intervals. Instead of perfect 4th, you can try minor and major 3rd or something like that. The price to pay is that you won't be able to use regular hand shapes for chords but everyone who plays in altered tunings are accustomed to that
I think for the 2 extra strings you should tune to A3 and D4. for the bass it could be F#0-B0-E1- A1- D2. And the fret less bass could be the standard E-A-D.
If there's 9 guitar strings I would just tune it to a standard 9 string guitar tuning C#, F#, B, E, A, D, G, B, E. Either that or tune it to some open tuning so it actually sounds decent when it's spinning. Open tunings can make anything sound good.
on the bass section use shortscale bass strings instead of regular ones, and you can fix the tension issue and get them tuned in standard
Definitely open tuning for getting it figured out.
Your instrument looks beautiful.
The best thing would probably be an open tuning, Then you could even spin it aroind to play achord. or you could do like a baritone tuning for the guitar part, and tune those extra high strings as high as you feel comfortable with. Or start by tuning the higher strings and go down from there
Okok here's one way to look at it: How about for the guitar-section, you go for a merge between standard tuning and DADGAD, for instance by doing BEADGBEAD, meaning you're adding the two top strings from DADGAD, but not the lower D. Alternatively, you could switch it around, so it becomes: BEADGADBE. Also, you're saying that doing normal bass tuning gives the instrument too little tension, but in the video, the bass-section is tuned much lower than a bass normally would be - the brightest one (B) sounding a flat sixth below the actual brightest string of a bass in standard tuning. I'd give another go at standard bass tuning! One potential issue with doing the bass-section normally though, would be that the pitches of the strings "reset" once you enter from one section to another - meaning that the pitch of the strings jumps up when transitioning from guitar to bass (Guitar's low B, up a low sixth to bass's high G.) Hope it works out!
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Leave those two extra guitar strings exactly how they are, and you could do Killing Joke tunes all night long.
You might take inspitation from ukuleles. They are tuned G-C-E-A, but the C is low, so instead of only rising in pitch, it has a little more color as the neck spins.
I essentially see only one issue. I think those strings need to be replaced with the real deal.
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I'd do an open tuning. C open maybe.
That way you can add a tight rubber band as a capo as well if you wanted to for some reason.
Looking up a 9 string guitar tuning it comes out to this: C#, F#, B, E,A,D,G,B,E so instead of going higher, go lower. Though that would mean changing the strings :/
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27" scale is barritone, tune the strings F1-B1-E2-A2-D3-F♯3-B3
You should have it tuned to play Shepards tones, it would fit perfect with with the roller.
Meaning you could have the illusion of a scale by just spinning the rotor
Yes the longer scale causes the strings to have more tension, which is something you have on baritone guitars so you get more tension on lower tunings. The most logical thing for me would be to tune the whole thing down another 1-2 semitones, i know the very low bass strings would be almost useless, but overall i think that would be the safest solution
27' is basically baritone scale length. Many 7-String guitars have this scale length, and there are string sets designed for that. I'd be surprised if you can't tune it B-E-A-d-g-b-e. You also can just tune it a whole step lower (A-standard)
For the guitar part, maybe you could tune the thinner string to E then go down with the standard tuning twice ( E B G D A E B G D) ?
I'd instantly try playing slide on it, with the fretboard spinningn underneath. Such a cool guitar!
I don't know how to tune it but I do know that I want to see Steve Vai playing that crazy thing. He could figure out something wild with it.
my first inclination would be to try and find an open chord tuning or tune to a pentatonic scale that feels good, doubling some notes here and there ofcourse
After the high E you can do an A and a D, but tuned one octave below it would be if you keep getting higher . Like B1E2A2D3G3b3e4a3d4
I would go more for a open tuning so you can use a slide easy. You can also buy different "e" strings if the tension is not right. you can buy a 0,009" "e" but also a 0,010/0,011/0.008/0,012" ect...
Can you capo them? Of course you can't put on a regular capo, but you could mount an isolated nut on, say, the 5th fret, and then on the 12th fret for the highest string -- giving you two more fourths. Alternatively, you could tune down your whole 7-string section; e.g., from B-E-A-D-G-B-E down to G-C-F-A-Eb-G-C, and then tune the two highest strings up to E and E (for some unison playing).
I don't know if I would recommend going higher with the last two, just because of string tension reasons.
I would have your thinnest string be the guitar high E, then your three thickest strings each either be five semitones lower or tuning them to bass E A D.
Don't see much benefit to going higher, you could tune the thinnest string five semitones up and then treat the rest of the guitar like an 8 string, but years of snapping thin strings tells me the tension will be way too much.
You could try a 're-entrant tuning' of sorts. Above the high e you could have a and d on the lower octave.
Depends what you want to do with it. In the music im familiar with, I would go for 9 string tuning, which is C# F# E A D G B E, so if you want 2 steps down, you can do B E A D G C F A D.
If you want to do some thing nicer, many people recommended open tunings and triads and others. 9 string is probably easiest and the most straight forward, but there is so much potential to do something more.
It would be good to have a motor controlled by a foot pedal that spins around the round string core so you can access the strings needed
For the bass try B E A D G, that's a typical 5 string tuning, I'd start from the top with the strings as you're tuning so start with High E and work backwards until you get to the 7th string and use B for the 7th, F# for the 8th and G# for the 9th.
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the tuning on a nine string guitar is C#, F#, B, E, A, D, G, B, E. but if you want it to be easier you should opt for an open tuning for 9 string guitar
You should try playing it with a bow since the strings are curved. It would sound awesome!
Dude, you're crazy. But now I'm even more crazy about see that guitar finished. Or bass guitar, I'm not sure.
Looks like a Gatlin Gun. And you can tune that string to a high E.
An 8 string guitar is tuned F#, B, E, A, D, G, B, E. All fourths, with the exception of the B string.
Looks like you can play that with a bow as well.
All fifths tuning would actually be pretty cool for soloing and such. Robert Fripp tuned like that in the 90s and 2000s and it sounded sick
I think you should just do an open tuning that just has the high E string tuned down a bit. Open tuning would also help with playing something like that and help make it sound more musical.
Plot twist: Its actually a gatling gun, a pretty cool looking gatling gun.
Change the strings to fit a 9 or 8 string guitar and have only one or no strings higher than the high E
For an 8 string, the 8th string would be tuned to a low F# if it was standard if I recall correctly (lower than the low B)
Perhaps there should be a "high gain gatling" mode where the only string that is electronically in circuit is the one within the bounds of a narrow angle (aka: where the pick is). That would clean up the string noise through a distorted amp. You could widen it for power-chords/dyads. If not (aka: all strings piped through the circuit), then this weapon would be practically useless for metal unless you zip-tie foam over the nut.
Perhaps like a 7 string guitar in A standard? ADGCFAD. Maybe even A flat or G tuning.
That would give you more room to tune the higher strings
On 27" scale you can get as high as f# and possibly G with a .008 or .007, so you can get a lot more usable range out of it.
for thoes additional three guitar stings you could do a balalaika tuning A-E-E
First thing that comes to mind for me is remove two of the high Guitar e strings and put two more low B or E strings, tune them to do power chords with a bar like in drop tunings.
Highest one on e and go down from there until you get to low guitar e and then tune it in fifths down each string, copy the fret less bass section from the start of the fretted one
I would say first thin should be a mimic of the string before then 2 high e strings. Sitar type vibes
For those who find a 7.5" fingerboard radius too flat.
If the idea is to also play the guitar by just letting the motor run and holding something against the strings, then maybe tune all strings so they can play together without any fretting, for example have all strings be a note of D major.
1. Tune the two additional guitar strings to B and E - the same octave or lower! It'll allow for momentary unison/octave coupling.
2. Since we have all the notes we'll ever need, we may divide the guitar section into two. First half tuned in fourths/regularly, the second in fifths, like cello.
3. Guitar's top three/four strings are usually the "shred"/melody strings, so tune them so. Then do whatever you want with the rest.
4. Check the Charango, it's got very bizzare tuning.
I would just tune each string chromatically and choose sting gauges for that tuning so you can play open stuff on one side while strumming and fretting the other.
9 string tuning, C#, F#, B, E, A, D, G, B, E, and then the rest can be a however many string bass
Maybe try a lute tuning. Its top two strings are shifted down a bit. Not sure if it's exactly one octave below standard guitar tuning or something else, but you get the idea.
For that high E, just get a smaller string like .9 or .8
(I use a 9 on my 26.5 schecter km7)
I'm not an engineer, but I do have a degree in music. My thinking is that trying to use standard tuning is maybe just not an option with your design, and there is no need to limit yourself to the standard of a completely different instrument (sure it's still a guitar, but...). Worse, two completely different instruments. I would find a tuning that allows you to space the strings out in even intervals (since you're using guitar strings that really are designed to be tuned in 4ths, start there) so it's easier to play. If you need thinner strings look into those for a twelve string guitar, I'm not certain but I think they use thinner gauge strings. I would advise against keeping those strings as they are and tuning them the same as the highest. Ergonomically it doesn't make much sense to me to have strings tuned the same (therefore definitely supposed to be played synchronistically) spaced that far apart. It's a lot of effort, but you could also remove the frets from those two strings' positions to justify them being there.
I am not 100% sure what the tuning you need is, but I have a good way of doing it algorithmically.
Tune the "thinnest" string to the highest note that makes sense (probably a whole note). Tune the thicker strings in perfect fourths all the way down. I think that gives you can octave on the 7th string, so it will feel like guitar but the intervals won't get confusing as you spin. Lets ignore the fretless section for now, because it will just copy the bass.
If you can, perfect fourths from thinnest to thickest would be best if it needs to feel like guitar, but I think unlikely to be possible with the right tensions.
More likely, you'll tune the thinnest to the highest comfortable pitch, then descend in thirds. This seems possible with the tensions, but your guitar shapes will collapse. You have enough strings that I think sticking in narrow interval ranges makes sense. This video is something like what I'm recommending ua-cam.com/video/MhGpa1j2KBY/v-deo.html
The way a bass would normally be tuned you would have C -> G -> D -> A -> E -> B - F# (but it might be more fun to make it a 2x low e)
You actually get in touch with Contra Guitar. They have a production of electric contraguitars (guitar + bass hybrid) and may have some advices and solutions for your project
Since there are so many strings, tuning it somewhat harp-like at the top end of the guitar section could be interesting with the lower part of it used for playing chords. As far as the lower bass section goes, I kind of think of it like the harp guitar with a lot of open note bass strings that are scalar just like the top end of the guitar could be. The fretless bass section should just be normal bass tuning in my opinion.
for the bass part any tuning is good as long as the strings are tuned in 4ths
a lot of classical instruments have string setups similar to this. you could look at tunings for viols, theorbos, or even baroque barytons