The Birdcage (1996) REACTION - Agador Spartacus... what did we do to deserve you?
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I had a Guatemalan coworker who was one the most macho men alive, and one day, he just turns to me and just says, "What are you afraid of my Guatemalan-ness?" Then we proceeded to rapid fire qoute this movie and laugh.
😂❤
This is the best thing i've read all year!!! 😂❤💜
@user-nt8lq4rp3z This guy and I could really butt heads BUT we really respected each other. 1 day, he came in with a story about how he got indigestion so bad the night before he was afraid he might die. Instead of calling for help, he turned to me and said, "I left the door unlocked, though. Cuz if I didn't show up for work after a couple of days, I know you'd come looking for me and wouldn't have to break in." lol
Finding that one coworker that matches your energy really makes the job tolerable.
When the movie came out, the sentiment was “why can’t the father just do this for his son?!”, it’s nice to see that today, the consensus is “what a shifty thing to ask your father to do”
To be honest, I don’t remember that sentiment when the movie came out. Full disclosure, I’m a conservative evangelical Christian with generally conservatarian (libertarian/conservative-at least in American political terminology) political views and the others I discussed this movie with were of similar bend (though with either Catholic or liturgical-Protestantism religious views with some of them). The general consensus we had was that the children were selfish a-holes. The gay parents, while we wholeheartedly disagreed with their lifestyles, seemed genuinely concerned about their son (and why should I expect a non-Christian to act like a Christian?), and didn’t push him to be like them. We also laughed hard at the Gene Hackman character who e we recognized to be a caricature of us (albeit not necessarily well done-I don’t know a single Christian who would consider asking both the pope (Catholic) and Billy Graham (Baptist) to bless something (despite my profound respect for John Paul II, I know we had fundamental areas where we disagreed religiously that would have made an alliance between him and someone like me very difficult).
@@johng482 As an evangelical how do you justify voting for a completely immoral man like Trump?
@@johng482just saying that being gay isn't a lifestyle.
I mean a father shouldn't have to change for no one 🤷🏽♂️
Val is also young: remember Williams says to him "First of all, you're only 20." Albert says: "You're only a baby". Both Val and Barbara are young, so the reason for concern is actually right there.
Yeah. I know very few relationships starting at that age that lasted - and even fewer that where happy.
I was coming to the comments to say the same thing
Exactly she’s 17/18 he’s 20. Most parents who have kids that young would propose be very concerned about it.
As someone who got married young with more heart than sense I can understand their concern 😅
Agadore Spartacus is one of the greatest movie characters of all time
I never wear shoes
“Jou suth a beeth to me”!
While this version is from 96, the original French-Italian film is from 1978, and it itself was based on a stage play from 1973.
The fact Robin Williams falling in the kitchen was an accident and they just rolled with it speaks to the talent in the cast.
Palimony back in the day made you legal partners before gay marriage was legal.
A rare Robin Williams movie where he’s not the central comic character. Nathan Lane and Hank A are the funny guys. It was supposed to be Steve Martin as Armond and Williams as Albert but Martin couldn’t do it because of scheduling conflicts so Williams chose to play Armond.
Thank goodness! The casting is perfect.
That’s interesting. I love Steve Martin but I really couldn’t see him in this. Robin and Nathan are spot on!
@@JackiePearl yes it is and the
Film won the first ever SAG award for best cast in a motion picture.
I was 11 when this came out. It was one of my family’s favorite movies. It was definitely a different time. My aunt would chastise my mom for letting her kids watch movies like this. It made some people really uncomfortable. But overall I think it’s such a wholesome film with a positive message, and my parents knew that. And it’s absolutely hilarious!
Yeah they don't even kiss lol
My understanding is that when this was released Nathan Lane was not out. During the press run Robin purposely at times moved the spotlight to himself if the questions got to pointed towards Nathan and his sexuality.
Val is just 20, Barbara (the fiance) is 17 going on 18. So they're both really young. That's why Val's parents are against him getting married. Just to clarify. I'm still early in the reaction, so I don't know if it occurs to you but there ya go.
Now Barbara (Calista Flockhart) is Mrs. Harrison Ford.
Interestingly, Flockhart (b. 1964) was older than Futterman (b. 1967) in reality. It's amazing how much a 31-year-old Calista Flockhart pulls off looking like she's barely 18.
YES! This movie and To Wong Foo taught me acceptance as a child.
Hank Azaria and Nathan Lane are the MVPs... They should have won every award that season
“When the Scheken beckons” I say this all the time😂💖
If I ever auditioned for acting school, my monologue would absolutely be Gene Hackman’s “We decided to drive down to see the seasons change..” speech! #PennsylvaniasNiceToo
"The leaves..... red.... the road..... black"
I have always thought Hank Azaria deserved an Oscar for this! He makes the movie!!!
Val has always pissed me off because he wanted his dad (and mom) to change. They could have redeemed him by making him show some remorse. The closest he came was saying "This is my mother" referring to Albert.
Albert is my hero, she is definitely a role model for many, me as a f-t-m person just says thanks for the positive content, it keeps my mind from exploding with dark thoughts. :*
It seems at the beginning that Armand and Albert are worried that since Val is only 20, and apparently has not known the girl for very long, nor met her family yet, that the kids are rushing into marriage a bit too soon.
As a fellow Aussie, I’m so hyped for you to get into this.
Just found your channel and already the Australian commentary is refreshing hahaha 😂 five mins in!
Just subbed
The fact you appreciate all the little jokes and references is just 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻
Hank Azeria does a lot of voices on the simpsons, I saw an Interview not long ago where he listed all the voices he does and was shocked. He used to Apu but people started giving him and the show a hard time that he was voicing an East Indian character.
Palimony agreements were used by gay couples to make sure that if anything ever happened to one of them that the other would be taken care of because a lot of times when one member of a gay couple would die their family would swoop and and make sure the other partner didn’t get anything including their home and money and in a lot of cases the families would make sure that their partner wasn’t even invited to the funeral. They were also used by wealthy and famous gay men to protect their assets in case their partner was just a gold digger and tried to take as much as they could from them, there were cases of famous gay me. Being sued by ex boyfriends for half of their fortunes.
The scene where Robin falls in the kitchens and says fuck the shrimp wasn’t supposed to happen but he fell and just ran with it.
It's based off a French play. The title is in the end credits wedding scene. The sand joke that Robin Williams wasn't a real joke. It probably was said " Where's there's sand there's Jews".
"La Cage aux Folles" (1973) by Jean Poiret.
When Nathan Lane did this movie, he wasn’t fully out yet. When Nathan and Robin were on Oprah, Nathan had said to Robin before hand - he wasn’t ready to talk about his sexuality and didn’t want to make the promotion of the movie all about that. But as Oprah started to veer the conversation in the direction of it, Robin swooped in and distracted her and went on a tangent. Essentially protected Nathan Lane.
That is a beautiful story, I tried to find the actual interview but its not on youtube.
A true friend Robin is
@@AdamfromFWCI if you search “Nathan Lane on Robin Williams” through google, the original Oprah video and Nathan Lane interview comes up. Here’s a link on UA-cam with both in a short form: ua-cam.com/video/lCpq8vCIA6c/v-deo.htmlsi=RWuNmOiDoCVbnrkA
@@AdamfromFWCI Hey! I knew I'd seen it somewhere, ua-cam.com/video/DKGYD5m-Q8c/v-deo.htmlsi=yFuawSCGWBgDjfhG&t=121 has a tiny clip of the moment.
@@AdamfromFWCII found parts of it in a short, from channel Purple Opinion, it’s called “Robin Williams protected actor who didn’t want to come out…” Loved that story, such a great guy
“I never wear shoes, they make me fall down” is a regular quote in our house. Hilariously I saw this movie the most in Panama on cable- in the mid 2000s it was always on down there for some reason. The culture at the time was pretty homophonic so I don’t know why it was on constant rotation, but I loved this movie already so it was always something to look forward to if we stayed at a hotel while traveling 😂
Between Priscilla and Bird Cage, make sure to check out "Too Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything, Julie Newmar"
Hank azaria went all out for this role! So funny!
I have to say your laugh is absolutely infectious. I LOVE when you laugh heartily.
I feel like this is a case where "It doesn't age well" Is a good thing. We've evolved a bit since then.
to wong foo thanks for everything julie newmar reaction please
Nathan Lane's role on _Only Murders in the Building_ shows how he really can play a tough guy.
also his voice role as Preed from Titan A.E. Is very intimidating
Nathan Lane is great. His performance in the Broadway adaptation version of Mel Brooks’ The Producers is hilarious. He’s gay but he has to act like the horniest straight guy in the movie surrounded by a lot of gay characters. He’s a riot.
I love that you referenced the Ascot Opening Day scene from "My Fair Lady"! The actress that played the senator's wife was Dianne Wiest, was part of the chorus in that very scene from the 1964 movie! She wears a grey and black striped outfit and the red lip makes her pop. And you're right, the sons demands are mean even in the 90's.
It's almost scene for scene with La Cage aux Folles so it could feel heavy handed at times. Favorite story. Nathan Lane wanted to be in this movie so much that the Broadway premiere of A funny thing happened on the way to the forum was delayed. He won the Tony award for best actor in a musical that year. He's been on the A list ever since.
Smart move by him. He’s perfect as Albert.
When Armand says "There are no straight maids in South Beach". lol Pretty accurate. lol People might find this hard to believe, but back in 95 when the movies was shot, SoBe was even gayer than the movie
portrays. The beach is across the street from the main strip, but aside from a couple of scenes, the movie really doesn't showcase the beach itself. And yes, everyone was half naked on the streets. lol
Back then South Beach was just starting to make waves as the new "hot spot" (as it had been previously in history). It was definitely grungier than what the movie shows. Perfect example, the building where the Nightclub/Apartment was, had been sitting empty for years.
I moved away a the end of the decade, when locally owned little shops were replaced by SunglassHut and the famous cuban coffee shops were replaced by a thousand Starbucks and the main pedestrian shopping strip became clogged with doube baby strollers.
Sorry for the rant. But this move is part of my growing up.
Great vid!
Yeah he obviously didn't know too much about SoBe 😂😂😂
Where Robin slips in the kitchen with the soup was a blooper that they kept in the film and you see he almost starts to cracking up 🤣
I was always so surprised how much this was exactly the same as “La Cage Aux Folles” the original French Birdcage.
I agree there are parts of the movie that dont age well, but the characters are so endeering, I can't help but love it!
Albert was so much more endearing on the second watch when I was editing.
My review of him at the end did no justice.
Amazing movie, i like it more the more I think about it
Of course piglet he raised him❤
❤ I am still called pumpkin or baby and my sis piglet and we're on the wrong side of 50.
It was illegal to for them to get married, so the what people would do is get business married. A contract that shares all assets and a contract that gives each other medical rights. Nearly all the same rights as being married. It was the best society would allow at the time. Two of my friends did their contract signing with a full white wedding.
This movie has such a star-studded cast, they all are fantastic, but both Nathan Lane and Hank Azaria are phenomenal imho! Also, South Beach, Miami is very, very hot so.....skin.
18 and 20 is REALLY young to get married in the U.S. I know it's more common in other countries. My parents would have freaked out if we wanted to get married that young, too.
Nathan Lane’s role as Albert from this movie literally taught me two things
1. it is okay to be who you are (I have since come out as Bisexual)
2. Always have style no matter what you do, and don’t care how you look, as long as you look good
No matter how much Albert comes off as excessive he always maintains a style and look that shows his inner confidence and self respect
and he can wear anything from pink to rainbow but he wears it well.
Love this character and I love Nathan Lane.
I also love Robin, he was so good in his film, you can tell he has good chemistry with Nathan
You can see his characters love for Albert and the respect he holds for him.
and apparently doing the interviews for the film, Nathan hadn’t come out as gay yet, so Robin would protect him, and direct the questions back to him if they approached Nathan’s sexuality and he wasn’t comfortable answering.
Comedy team Elaine May & Mike Nichols reunited for The Birdcage. Her script is so funny. I saw it on a trip to San Francisco , which was perfect. It was a huge hit.
The reason they are not wearing much clothing on the streets in background cause …it’s Miami south beach. Meaning it’s hot there’s a beach like two or three streets away. It’s what everyone does there especially tourists. Why change 50 times right. If one goes to south beach … the beach shopping and drinking is basically all one does there. And it’s sandy. So wearing fancy dressed clothing is a bit redundant.
Best thing when watching any movie is not to compare it to something one might have seen from another movie or a character from another show. So many people do this and ruin their own experiences. Thinking of futurama wile watching this is… unique. lol some minds just work different I guess. Thanks for reacting and sharing your.. thoughts.
Yeah I noticed that these younger generations do that. Annoying.
@@SC-gp7kt I think every generation does; there's just more to compare now.
Birdcage will never fail to make me laugh. Even when I was little and almost every joke went over my head lol When I grew up and realized it was the Genie, Timon, and Moe in here and understood the jokes it made it even better. Also, yes Val is absolutely an ass.
This is one of my favorite movies I really enjoyed your reaction you got a new subscriber.❤
My Dad past away a few years ago and he loved this movie. You laugh at all the same things he did lol Brings back good memories
Thats very kind of you to say. I'm glad my video brings back joyous memories of your dad 🫶
New sub here .. great reaction! Love that you brought up Awkward Ashleigh, too... mostly because i literally just said "It's Beans!" when the MGM lion roared. 😂😂 ❤
Well if Val hadn't asked his family to change, then it wouldn't have been as funny.
Exactly
It’s a little hard these days what it was like for them in that time. The insecurities on Alberts behalf was stemmed from a lot of hatred that he likely received in those times. They would’ve grown up in a super hateful world and unsafe for them. Even Armand’s behaviour he took a more aggressive route to deal with the nastiness that they had through life. They both really loved each other underneath it all they just took two different ways to deal with it. So while it doesn’t make much sense now, it really speaks to how it was in even the 90s. But the underneath kind of shows they lived in their own protected world and these people came to interrupt it with their own misinformed attitudes which ultimately they fixed in the end. The only thing I couldn’t stand was Val Tbh he just wanted everyone in a lie and even Barbara was more than happy to go along with it.
Yeah it is very 90s, for better or worse.
And I agree, Val is a little prick.
Agreed. Also this was from the Feench play/film from the 70s. So it speaks volumes to social progress thst it seems so dated now.
My town voted just recently to legally allow landlords to not rent to LGBTQ. So depending where you are in the world, times are still not very accepting.
And Val is an immature little prick.
Bullshit. Things are much more divided and worse today than in the 90s regardless of what your teachers told you.
Barbara was the one who originally told the lie and Val was going along with her.
Men wore pink in the 1980s. It was very preppy for men to wear a pink polo or pink button down shirt.
This movie is one of the movies that really helped me as a "came out" as gay. It was really nice since I had just seen Nathan Lane on Broadway.
Truly my favorite comedy of all time.
The original “BirdCage” 1978 “La cage aux folle” movie was excellent also. In French with English subtitles.
Love Hank Azaria in this, but also Nathan Lane is an absolute gem!
I love that Hank Azaria based Agidor off of his grandmother!
Luv it bud. Just found you're channel and great Ashleigh mention. Like subbed etc
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.
Eddie Guerrero did get his Latino Heat line from this movie.
Love this movie. Thanks for your reaction.
Glad you enjoyed it
One my favs movies ever, just make me so happy when i see it 🖤
A fun movie but the original French movie is better in a way. If you're in the mood, check it out. It's called "LaCage Aux Folles". It even got an Academy Award nomination for Best Picture.
the French original - La Cage Aux Folles - came out in the 70s. This was a softer, nicer version. One of the best american remakes of a foreign film, tho.
everyone is talking about Barbara being not even 18, but in my version of the movie she's not even 19? and he's 20, so the age gap is really not that much?
It's not about the age gap. It's that they're both too young.
48:56 Armand doesn't need an arc for the purpose of this movie. As he said himself, he knows who he is and doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks about it. He only acted the way he did thinking of his son's happiness and future while also trying to keep Albert happy too. He made mistakes in his approach, but he's just one guy and what can you do when youre being torn between your child and your spouse? I've also never understood why so many people reacting think he's an asshole at the start of the film when clearly the point is that he's already absolutely dedicated to Albert the whole time. Albert wants the palimony agreement and tries so hard to be what Armand wants and his reactions are sarcastic in turn because in his head, and all outward evidence already shows, that he only wants Albert as Albert.
Now, I will also say that Albert was probably internalizing a lot with all the diets and weight changes and worsened with Armand's lack of reaction, but if he never told Armand until that night at the beginning that all the changes were meant for him, he may have been just silently supporting Albert thinking they were personally motivated changes. Armand was always in Albert's corner.
I think part of why Armand(Robin Williams) is how he is, it's because it's the 90's and he is already 50 so when he grew up things were even more terrible for gay people. So I think that he had to develop that callous exterior to survive. Albert is so much sweeter and vulnerable, so for them being together and raising a kid in the 70s had to be hard, and Armand kinda had to be a hardass to keep them all safe.
You're watching Awkward Ashleigh too? Nice! 🤩
For guaranteed laughs I watch reactions to this movie, “trains, planes and automobiles”, and “legally blonde.”
It’s really nice to watch something silly, hilarious and well-written. I’ve watched reactions to these a hundred times and still laugh.
“Bridget Jones diary” and “clueless” are runners-up!
Funny that you mention the Simpsons episode with the pink shirt. That episode has been banned by Disney.
This takes me back, I saw this in theaters with my older sister when I was 15. We had such a fun time and laughed thru the whole movie. Agador was definitely our favorite character. My Sister said even if the movie had been terrible, seeing Gene Hackman in drag was worth it 😆
Good reaction, love this movie.
For me, it's worth the price of the ticket just seeing Gene Hackman's character in drag.
One of my all time favorite movies. It is based on the French film La Cage aux Folles which is much older. It may be a bit dated now but back in the nineties it was ground breaking. Robin Williams and Nathan Lane as a gay couple. And those two great actors decided to play against stereotype and have Robin play Armond which I think was brilliant. We would have assumed Nathan would be Armond. And I agree with you that Hank was the best.
They don't want him to get married because he's only twenty.
He was concerned because Val had barely figured his life out and he was already getting hitched.
Really think if you enjoyed this movie at all and had watched Pricilla Queen of the dessert, you might like To Wong Foo thanks for everything Julie Numar. Spelled it wrong sorry.
My sister and I still do the Agador, "but wait, there's chrimps!" Then, "F*ck the shrimp!". I love how he's sitting there crying with shrimp in his hands! 😂😂😂
Regarding some of the gender portrayals, the term LGBT started being used by activists in 1988, but in the mid-90s it was still pretty common to just see LGB in reference to sexuality and all the Trans & gender related stuff was treated as a separate issue.
"You cannot stop me, Hack-Man!!!"
Val is 20. That’s what Armand was upset about. Not because he was straight.
This movie is a classic!
I think Albert and Armand are SO against the idea of marriage because of all the stuff the Senator's wife mentioned: it symbolizes tradition and "morality" and old-fashioned ideas about families and love and households - AKA all the stuff that's caused two gay men tons of trauma, rejection, heartbreak, and even danger. Plus, back in 1996, it was literally illegal for gay people to get married, so Albert and Armand have probably worked very hard to convince themselves that marriage is an unnecessary or even unwanted thing.
I think the age thing was definitely a big part of it because Val was 20 and still in college.
You don't think it's maybe because their 20-year-old child (and in the US that's still a child - they're not even old enough to drink) wants to marry a barely 18 year old? That raised no red flags to you, to the point you figured it must all be about some chip on their shoulder, and they must simply be against ALL marriage?
@@mortisrat Well, they objected before they even heard how young his fiancé is, so that probably wasn't a major factor (though I 100% agree with you that the idea DOES raise big red flags, especially in 2024). And while you're right that they both mention his young age when objecting, the extremity of their objections seems to encompass much more than just "oh, you're too young to marry" - they both seem disturbed by the idea that Val might want to get married at ALL. But hey, if that's not how you see it, no harm no foul.
Yeah, no. It's because the kids are so young. It wasn't "literally illegal" for gay people to get married. There were no laws against it because it didn't exist. They didn't need to convince themselves that marriage was unnecessary or unwanted, simply because it never occurred to anyone that it could ever happen. Definitely Armand and Albert would have gone through trauma as gay boys and men, but this would not have been part of that trauma. You're viewing it from a very 2020s lens.
This is one of my favorite Robin Williams movies of all time, ❤ but yeah, you said something that made me rethink this whole movie. Why don't they just go out to eat somewhere? Why did they have to go to their place?
Probably because if anyone saw Gene Hackman's character anywhere, they would be immediately mobbed by the press.
@@stephaniebedworth2470 I thought that too but they can still find somewhere private 👍🏻 I mean he's the senator can he find somewhere remote
Looks like someone should take a holiday to Miami. Lots of skin cause it’s hot…even at night! Nothing like going outside at 11pm from your 70 degree house/apartment and walking into the „steam wall“ of 90 degree heat and 100% humidity! The street in front of the club runs along a strip of greenway/park then the beach is next to that. Street runs along the coast. While stationed at Homestead AFB (just south of Miami) we would head to an area called Coconut Grove. Very trendy back in 81 and 82 and a lot of fun. Cheers
Nathan Lane and Robin Williams are one of the great Hollywood movie couples. Up there with Sharon Stone and Robert de Niro in Casino and Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. Classic.
Nathan Lane tells the story that they went on Oprah to promote this movie. Lane was nervous because he didn’t want to talk about his sexuality. He confided in Williams about it who told him not to worry. The second the interview started to go in that direction, Williams went full Robin Williams and took over being a lunatic and distracting everyone with his antics.
Probably a more diplomatic way to say things but whatever, sometimes (most times to be honest) people on UA-cam who react and critique movies are too dumb to actually do so.
Lets see your reaction channel paul
This is one of my favourite movies. It holds up so well, aside from Barbara’s age. I know it’s a homage to an older story, but they didn’t need to make her 17!
Azaria was also fun in Mystery Men, just a short time after this film.
VERY FUNNY THE BIRDCAGE (1996 ) FILM - REACTION - WITH AGADOR SPARTACUS ... WHAT DID WE DO DESERVE YOU ?
Robin Williams and Nathan Lane's characters didn't have a problem with their son being straight, it was their ages they had an issue with. They thought he was too young to get married.
I love love love this Priscilla and To Wong Foo, they all do different things really well. Those latter two really go in on humor to balance a dark edge. Love Priscilla for making one clearly trans and doing it quite well, vs Wong Foo has a whole lotta vibes but never quite seems to entirely know what it's talking about lol. All delightful movies.
Yeah I don't think Armand actually hits Albert, Albert is just super super dramatic and assumes the worst.
Almost all the "fucked up dynamic" in this movie are just because being publicly gay, or related to someone publicly gay, was a Big Deal in the 90s. It was a big deal and often a big problem, and therefore a big decision, for it to be known, and the kid is trying to hide and be respectable, while his father has built a life on being publicly himself... it's a hell of a conflict (to be super clear, of course Val's in the wrong, just, context and subtext). A lot of THAT I think also helps explain Albert's insecurities at potentially being left, although he's damned high strung regardless. Plus Armand and Albert DO have varying degrees of internalized homophobia here and there, that they'd have worked hard to leave behind, and Val's request pulls that crap to the surface. So it HURTS, and they hurt each other as a result.
Regarding Albert in the dinner scene. I know a few trans women from Utah, Mormon areas, and gendered roles and presentation are deeply ingrained, so they get ma'am'd there more than anywhere, people see a certain presentation, then that's correct. The gf's parents are likely much the same, drag or similar just doesn't exist in their minds if it isn't completely over the top obvious, and Albert is actually very tastefully done up (and many middle aged women wear wigs in company due to thinning hair, so even the wig getting off isn't a big tip off).
So like. Yeah you really have to get the context and humor, and the big positive is very much that it ends with the wedding going down with everyone as themselves, and that's great.
The story is dated because 'LaCage" was a French Movie from the 1960's.
Love Love love agador spartacus! That being said, Hackmans character is spot on for American conservatives then and still. Sad truth.
7:09 yeah, I’m with you. I don’t think I’d enjoy this show (nothing religiously or politically that would cause that, it’s just this show seems like something I’d want to sleep through).
8:09 Hank Azaria stole this movie.
12:04 I’m pretty sure if my child came home at 18/19 saying she wanted to get married, I’d be opposed as well. I mentor high school men and one piece of advice I give them constantly is don’t date anyone that first year away from home-use that time to become the adult you’re supposed to be; a dating relationship will only force you to try to stop that metamorphosis so you don’t grow apart from your significant other.
20:41 that’s typical south beach. It’s full of revelers, vacationers (not families but singles and young couples), and the artsy set of Miami. I’ve been there once to eat at Joe’s Stone Crab (overpriced for what it was, the Catfish House in Hobe Sound (cinderblock building about 90 minutes north of south beach) had much better food at a quarter of the price), but that looks about right.
23:20 he is a maniac. Anyone who’d go through Macon instead of using the 475 bypass is one. It’s 50% greater distance and the traffic sucks (I’ve made the drive between Atlanta and Florida dozens of times since the late 80s and am very familiar with it).
32:05 the one thing that really bothered me about this movie is the idea that people like the Keeley character wouldn’t be accepting of minorities or Jewish people (as in “moral order” is the exclusive province of whites). My entire life, being surrounded by conservative Christians, I’ve only met one who would immediately dislike or toss out a person due to ethnicity (and he was an older South African). All of the conservative churches I’ve been in had African Americans, Asian Americans, ethnic Jewish members, etc.(obviously, a religiously Jewish person would not want to join those congregations). This film feeds into a stereotype I’ve never seen of the racist conservative Christian (the racist Christians I’ve known were racists in spite of the plain teaching of scripture (trust me, I know the ways they’d eisegete scripture and they’d get very angry when I’d call them out) and we’re w politically more often left-centrist (at least per American politics).
32:43 severity in this context means sparsely decorated
If this were a drama, the stereotypes would be annoying but as a comedy, it's like gays making fun of ourselves. I love how ridiculous it is 😂
90’s were in limbo with gay representation. Just started to be taken seriously , yet also depicted stereotypically, if you’re in on the joke it’s hilarious, if not it’s insulting. But either way the film advances acceptance through comedy. Props to Gene Hackman for really playing into and against type at the time.
-In & out is another 90’s gay comedy with Kevin Kline and Joan Cusack
The actor that plays Val has eyes and some facial features that remind me of Bradley Cooper lol
I see it
Speaking of Cooper, have to check out Cooper and J-Law in Silver Linings Playbook. Law got an Oscar, Cooper got nommed, Robert De Niro nommed, nommed for best picture of year. It's a really good rom/com, but it's not your usual one.
Too bad you talked over some of the best lines in the film... but I'm glad you enjoyed it...
Agador is the best!
What keeps me from liking this film is that the character of Val is really a prick, and the actor playing him is a cardboard cutout who looks like he's closer to 30 than 20.
couldn't agree more