My grandmother who is on the Dawes Roll said they were sent to one of the three tents based on how the person looked. Some families were divided due to that. She was seven at the time.
My Paternal Grandmother kept a note from her grandfather with the Dawes and Census numbers if her Cherokee Freedman grandfather and i foynd their records.
The complication in history is mindblowing. very very deep. its frustrating for people who wanna know where they stand in authentic ethnic history or family members related
Im considered a black man in the US. My grandparents are on the Dawes Rolls as full blooded Choctaw. They also married full blood members of the tribe. Ledger number 16 page 474. I would love to reach out and connect to learn more about my family history.
I have to watch this video again in segments. You ran through this history and told the story of your family with ease. You truly have open my eyes to other areas I have to research having Cherokee ancestry myself. If you have anything on Louisiana, please share.
Hello, hello, greetings from Consejo, Belize! I born ahn raised between Bartlesville and Nowata, Oklahoma. I got a big surprise the other day. I thought Bowlin Spring reunion who my high school sweetheart introduced to me to was a faded HBT in Oklahoma. When I went out to see the lectures on HBT's census, no Bowlin Spring mentioned. I guess it considered a Cherokee town, not what I remember. OK enough talking, let me get back to listening to you.
My family is from Redbird oklahoma and helped build the town. I have stories of the trail of tears as slaves and the "1889 landrush" that led to the ability to start Redbird, ok. To prove my story the historically protected home that is still standing on london/ main street is my grandmother's childhood home. My ancestral family is buried in redbird, ok with the latest family members burials occurring in the early 2000s. Of course I am very interested in having a conversation with someone about my family's heritage and the town my family built BEFORE we were free!💔🖤🙏🇺🇸 Looking forward to talking to you😊
Everybody!!!! 🛑 with the African American talk, that’s the colonizers term for Us. That isn’t who We actually Are. People calling themselves two continents…. Geez
Could the OHS or Ms. Smith (I'm gonna start calling her DOCTOR Sewell Smith ;) create a source list for this talk? Perhaps a table with the source, where to find it, and if it is indexed. If anyone else has put it together or would like to collaborate in making one, I will help. The amount of information in these 71 minutes is remarkable!
Great idea, Erika! Here are some of the links, organizations, blogs, and books mentioned in Nicka's incredible presentation. Oklahoma Historical Society Resources Black History is Oklahoma History: www.okhistory.org/blackhistory Genealogy Resources: www.okhistory.org/research/genealogy Freedmen History: www.okhistory.org/learn/freedmen Dawes Rolls Index: www.okhistory.org/research/dawes 1933 Unemployment Census: www.okhistory.org/research/reliefcensus The Gateway to Oklahoma History: gateway.okhistory.org The “Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History and Culture,” www.okhistory.org/encyclopedia Nicka Smith's Website Who is Nicka Smith?: www.whoisnickasmith.com/ More Websites and Blogs Oklahoma Department of Libraries, Digital Prairie: digitalprairieok.net/ University of Oklahoma, Western History Collections: libraries.ou.edu/content/western-history-collections-0 University of Oklahoma, Indian Pioneer Papers: digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/ Family Search: www.familysearch.org Gilcrease Museum: gilcrease.org Oklahoma Freedmen collective: www.OKFreedmen.org African-Native American Genealogy Blog, Angela Walton-Raji, african-nativeamerican.blogspot.com Black and Red Journal blog,Terry Ligon, blackandredjournal.blogspot.com Books "Black Indians and Freedmen: The African Methodist Episcopal Church and Indigenous Americans from 1816 to 1916," by Christina Dickerson "I've Been Here All the While: Black Freedom on Native Land," Alaina E. Roberts "Ties That Bind: The Story of an Afro-Cherokee Family in Slavery and Freedom," by Tiya Miles "The House on Diamond Hill: A Cherokee Plantation Story," also by Tiya Miles "Freedom of the Frontier," volume one and two by Angela Walton-Raji "Black Indian Genealogy Research,” by Angela Walton-Raji "Black Indians: A Hidden Heritage," by William Loren Katz "Red Over Black: Black Slavery Among Cherokee Indians," by R. Halliburton, Jr.
Recently dug deep into the history of my Bruner side of my family. An let me tell ya when I say so much history Seminole/Creek Freedman. Need to find a helping with this cause it’s exhausting lol
We are the Creek, Seminole, Yamasee, Washitaw etc. The thing is that we fathered the western hemisphere for millennia. We were prisoners of a ongoing war (Spanish Inquisition) We are Moors of ancient Moroccan (American) descent...We are Moors in (Cherokee, Yamasee, Choctaw, etc territories...We are the Allegewi/El Koyaha etc..
I can only go back as far as Cussetta, Georgia and Tchula, Mississippi for my mother and father's side... I need to make a trip to both of those places to track my roots.
WE ARE NOT AFRICAN, the term African American was adopted by Jesse Jackson because they didn't know what to call us, we are the indigenous Niijis of Americans.
That aboriginal conspiracy theory pushed by black-hebrew isrealites in our prison system to recruit intellectually weak members only takes away from the "real" plight of freedmen & their descendents.
I went to the Familysearch catalog and I couldn't pull up Marshall County, Oklahoma as Ms. Nicka stated (for deeds). It would only let me type in Oklahoma and it gave a long list of collections but nothing county specific. I'm wondering if Familysearch has changed their format. :(
My family is from Beggs, Oklahoma and called Okmulgee "town". My Aunt was even born in the colored hospital there. About two generations before that they came from Tennessee and before that South Carolina and Georgia in Gullah Geechee country. My father's paternal people are Hughes And My Grandmothers people come from Mississippi Alabama and Louisiana. And one thing I found very puzzling about my ancestry test is that I have almost no European ancestry but I do have significant indigenous ancestry and of course African ancestry. And Hughes does show up on the Dawes roles in a few tribes, so I just wonder how I navigate to find the exact connection to find ancestors and tribal affiliations.
This explains a lot of challenges that Wallace Willis (Composer of "Swing Low Sweet Chariot") and the family faced. Too bad there isn't a picture of him around.
Thanks Nicka. This is the information that I needed. On my mother's maternal side her grandparents were enslaved Freedmen believed to be Choctaws on the Chickasaw Reservation. We do not know if they were on the Trail of Tears. On my father's maternal side, they were Non-Slaveowning Choctaw FullBloods who were on the Trail of Tears.
This is great information but as I jump to the websites she mentions, I have no clear idea of where to go from there. Did I miss the location of the homestead applications? How do we find the rejected Dawes applications?
And a gr8 many captives of the native tribes were themselves of tge indigenous peoples who preceded them in this land. Foreigners used native peoples to help them take the land of indigenous peoples once the mission was accomplished the Foreigner turned on the native peoples who were living in lands given to them by the indigenous peoples after the war between the Mongolians & mauritanians in South amexem/America. (Mongolians were defeated but introduced the Mongolian phoenotype to some of the mauritanian bloodlines). The foreigners then took the land the natives were occupying. However, the u.s gov was fully aware of who these captives held by the natives were thus upon freeing americas so called negro population(which the gov says 10% had always been free) the gov demanded the natives do the same and give them equal share of wut the gov gave the native thru/in treatise. Now y wud the gov do that? I submit they knew they were already in violation of treatise it signed previously with the imperial gov of those very same indigenous peoples now being intentionally reclassified as negro(see treaty of friendship & peace/amenity from the articles of confederacy to which the constitution is an addendum), also introduced to the foreigners by the lini linape, Nanticoke/antidote moors etc of the IROQUOIS CONFEDERATION (note i said Nanticoke "Moors/Muurs" not Indians of any kind). ALL OF THIS IF TO MAKE CLEAR WHO THE CAPTIVES OF NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES/CLANS ARE. THEY WERENT PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN BECAUSE TGE DECENDANTS OF AMERICAS ORIGINAL PEOPLES WHO WERE FOR THE MOST PART AT WAR WITH TGE FOREIGNERS LONG B4 THIERVWERE ANY NATIVE AMERICANS, WERE NOT NEGRO, BLACK, colored or AFRICAN
@@fabbeyonddadancer You a lost puppet I traced my ancestors back to the 1100s no slave no African don't put me in a imaginary category because you were indoctrinated in the islands or Africa wherever u from but in America we have access to information and family records much easier than y'all so of course you lost and don't know yourself that's y y'all hate and envy us but hopefully you find yo identity instead of listening to you're masters.
Black Americans can be considered native Americans not based on tribal registry but plain simple history. A very enlightening bestselling book titled 1493 written by C. Mann explains the simple truth. We blacks are MAROONS, a mix of indigenous people and Africans brought to St. AUGUSTINE Florida in1558. By year 1700 the Creek nation is BLACK. The tribes didn't have black slaves. That fabricated during g that civil war. The Seminoles Creeks, Yamasee, Should, Geechee, Ghoula, Chia, Alabamo, Talladega all black Indians. In early 1800 KIDNAPPED into slavery because the British prevented the shipping of slaves by early 1800s. FACT
Some names were boarding school names, some English translation of Indian name, some from the reservation giving names, some from churches. The most common English surname given NA is Johnson.
Just because the painted the pictures of light colored original people of the land doesn’t mean that Dark skinned were not full blooded and part of the original tribes.
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 slavery from Africa aint never been proved but you claim that...but they have the ship manifests from the white people coming. All I see is accepted false history from white people but let black people say something, and this is what you get.
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 what u fail to realize is that it doesn’t matter if he can or not because those so called “African Americans” that have already have debunked the lies told in schools and the history books. The lie has already been revealed.
Question? We're those on the Old Settlers Roll, volunteers for removal? I was under the impression that they knew forced removal was inevitable, and that some form of a governing body was need in Oklahoma prior to forced removal. Could you maybe clarify this or embellish on the reasons for the Old Settlers moving into NEOk. prior to the trail of tears?
We have the old settlers roll at the library but it has stuff like food clothes animals hard to decipher but I have the traditional stories that are past down as to what happened in the old country
@@mrs.theressagolden8692 the problem with traditional stories is there is always some form of embellishment. Word of mouth that goes against history isn’t really reliable.
Also that term “African American” shouldn’t be used, that term started being forced on “us” in 1988, please let’s put things in their true perspective.
Some of the applications Are not allowing the apps to go th6: someone meeds to look into this because their trying to register and they have s glitch4 blocking their registration.....O would advise them to seek an attorney ......That lmows these trearties about the registration...
14:30 now i see why there’s confusion. Please some Nations say the child must be born of nations woman. Not all Nation’s people track through patrilineal.
People please do your own research......This is Journey that all Americans should take....but leave your remedial African American history out . Re-educate yourself...Peace to All Freeman's of Many Nations ....
As a native I don't wanna hear it. You don't see black people at native border schools for a reason, because buffalo soldiers were putting them there, or selling them after a tribes massacre to Mexico where slavery was still legal, the buffalo soldiers spent over 20 years at war with natives, in over 171 so called battles against innocent natives I don't call Wounded Knee or sandy creek a battle which the buffalo soldiers were at both. And the one man to stick up for us during the removal act was a white man named davy crockett, and almost did it the removal act only passed by 4 votes because of him, and we joined the Confederacy on a land promise, why you had the 5 tribes of the Confederacy, as a Cherokee I'm proud of hero and first native American Bridger General stand Waite, and his regiment the first Cherokee mounted riffles made up mostly of Cherokee Muskogee, creek, and Seminole, and many Louisiana tribes fought for the Confederacy, Louisiana is known for having some black confederates, and white people taking in natives that were in battle with each other it's funny watching someone get all angry and excited about a halfway truth, you failed on leaving chunks of history out. Buffalo soldier.
@@whoisnickasmith I am John Fala Ratatoskr of Cherokee Nation NC and yes enrolled member of the Eastern Band of Cherokee. I know exactly what the truth is, and I laid out some truth here it's just not the truth you wanna speak of, and that's fine but these events took place that's the truth.
@@Civilwar.relics There was a group of Black men who attempted to fight for the Confederacy in Louisiana but were not given permission to join, so that argument is null. Further, there were interracial units during the Civil War, which I refer to here, the Indian Home Guards, who fought on the side of the Union, yet you don't talk about them in your argument, only those that supported keeping people in bondage. Further, why conflate Buffalo Soldiers with Freedmen? Those are two completely different groups of people. Again, I'd suggest you keep reading instead of insulating your thoughts.
@@whoisnickasmith that was a union regiment in Louisiana, that's a southern myth about those guy's, I've put a little research into it and that early they didn't allow black people into the Confederacy at that time, there's no documentation of them in muster rolls, for the Confederacy however they are muster into the US army, there aren't to many examples of freemen confederates, besides holt collier, then there's Nathan Bedford Forrest Calvary which was made up of men he freed and agreed to go to battle with him, but that's controversial to some, it's hard for people to except Nathan Bedford Forrest Calvary was black for the most part it's probably why holt collier left the Texas Confederacy Calvary he was in and joined Nathan, then Nathan Bedford Forrest gives like one of the first speeches for the NAACP originally called the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association, but these facts change things up, so people sometimes acknowledge them and research it, and look for the truth but most just shut the door and stick to the lie it sounds better.
Reading these comments, I think two things. - I will filter away the angry tirade. Instead, I will look for the remains that I can research. The history of any family or nation is often more complex than facts known by one person or another. - And I have strived to be alert as I research, so I can recognize something that refines or changes the historical narrative, especially where pain can overshadow logic. Thank you both for sharing your research.
@@MaLiArtworks186 Don't worry about that just use this to collect as much information about your ancestry as you can because they want to try to register as indian, indian is a psyop you want to register as your original status there was not an are not any Indians in America this is what the colonist call them and still do as they steal your identity as an Indian you are claiming a status that doesn't belong to you are them the only real Indians are the eastern Indians. When you find your original status make sure you spell it as your ancestor's did because there will be a difference and you won't file for your original status three the dawe's commission they can't help you with this the dawe's commission was created to close the door on you not to help you !!
I will say one thing, that the term Afican American should be abolished in referencing Native born black Americans. If you have ancestry that predates the 1950s meaning you are not an immigrant or first generation black. You shouldn't call yourself AA. We are black Americans. AA means you are an 1. Immigrant 2. First generation status, or 3. If you have African born grandparents, and your parents married another African from Africa, you are generational and you are AA. But, if you have ancestry to this country, and can trace your ancestors back ions, to the beginning, you are Black. We were not born in Africa, we don't have two African parents or four African grandparents.
I'm not African American, and I'm not Native American, and i am not blac. I demand you to fix this misclassificatin. The blood of the southern ne-gro Indian people. Cynthie The ne-gro Buddha
We have to get off of this African decent thing…most were melanated full blooded Indians….some of the full blooded Indians were labeled as “Black” by the Spanish explorers…it’s time to be honest.
I have been researching my ancestors for about 16 years and I have not found one African slave. After 25 thousand not a one. What I found was Caucasian and native Americans. I don't understand and yes Chief John Ross married into family, white Ketchup and family, many chiefs many ancestors all over the United States all 50. How is that possible? It doesn't add up with history. My tree is Hugh it would take a lifetime and still want end. How is that possible? What I see is a helluva travesty for a people. I have facts , documents all of it. I don't answer to African anything. Also we both know dark skin natives were first. Nobody is full blooded anything not today. But we are denied citizenship by ignorance on both sides. But I know the truth yet the lies keep coming. More slaves were native American than anyone. So sad but I'm blessed to know the truth and my ancestors came to me . Guided me all the way. You see death is just a door. They came to me. There were no 40 thousand are ten thousand only 3,159 African slaves came here. Andre Head knew that and he kept the record. I also can't believe how ancestors turned against each other for greed. I grew up in Oklahoma so I been on the reservations so I know facts. I'm 66 my mom is almost a hundred and they all knew the truth.
I'm from Oklahoma City. I am enrolled in Muscogee Creek Nation & I have ancestors on the Creek Freedman roll. She knows her shit! Yall are so in denial about the most simple shit lol
I am Mexican from 2 Mexican tribes. The USA narrative is so skewed and mean spirited towards the Natives, i wouldn't believe anything they say! Their narrative is so skewed, you can hardly find any truth in it anymore. These ppl who push it r hypocritical. The African came with the white man on ships of horror and it's very well documented on paper and DNA trail. The Natives were enslaved 100 to one, compared to the African. The African was as mean or meaner to the Natives as the European. The Natives couldn't own slaves,we were enslaved ourselves. The white man enrolled the Natives as African and the African as Native by sight only. The white man enrolled the Black ppl as slaves on the rolls, bc that is what they always labeled the African when they moved them. We, the Natives, didn't look African, but we have always come in different shades of brown, from very dark to light brown, depending on where our ancestors lived for centuries and diet. The African was supposed to stay on the Rez after the march to the Rez, they didn't, bc they didn't fit in. They didn't speak the Languages, they didn't eat, dress, sing, dance, nothing of our lifestyle. Now they wanna be us! Lol! The African Meztizo population in Mexico, is only 1.4 of a country of over 130 million people. The few African Meztizo who stayed, were truly Native African Meztizo ppl. All the other Africans followed their master to USA. The African Meztizo who stayed, were treated a lot better than the ones who went to USA, to this day, their descendants still live on the free lands given to their ancestors. Shut the hell up already, the African is NOT Native to the Americas. Get over it! The country is going cross eyed from rolling their eyes at your wannabe, interloping, intrusive, menacing culture vultures BS! Aren't they trying to be Egyptian this month? Pathetic!
You are way off on the history of the Indians. I am a Moor. We owned slaves too. You need to watch Kurimeo Ahau on YT. And Mexicans are the mixed breeds of Moors and the pale skin slaves they would not claim.
@@seagoddess524 you need to take ur rediculous wannabe cullture vultures BS to science and genealogists, they disagree with you! There is NOTHING but BS from the USA culture vultures, aka USA Black Centrists behind this BS! Not even the Aboriginals of Australia, or the Natives of Papua New Guinea, or the Negritos from the Philippines r African! Catch up, they are all from ASIA, Eurasia to be exact, with Asian DNA, not African DNA! Since DNA and new dating techniques, every new ancient human fossil, tool, site seems to strengthen the position of the Americas first inhabitants, and makes bigger fools of these USA Black culture vultures, aka USA Black Centrists. Pathetic! Aren't they trying to be Egyptian this month?
Not according to the DNA trail. It's a scientific fact that to this day, Native ppl of the Americas, carry the least mixed DNA in the world. Punch it in, it's on the internet. My feelings r not hurt, more discussted at the skewed narrative. There were as many Chinese slaves as Afro slaves in the Americas. The Indeginous were enslaved 100 to one compared to the African. The Chinese and Indeginous moved on very quickly from slavery. The only thing that should come of great misfortune, are valuable life lessons. We didn't get stuck. However it seems if you boohoo consistently, you fare better from the government.
My grandmother who is on the Dawes Roll said they were sent to one of the three tents based on how the person looked. Some families were divided due to that. She was seven at the time.
That's true. You can also see that on the census. Depending on how my family looks with same mother and father some were mislabeled.
That's what I learned when I found my dad's census records; from Cherokee to chactaw to Freeman
my dad's family was sent to McAllister ?
@@norasmith5107 wild but we catching this shit
Most "African Americans" are Indians/Native Americans. "Black"/"African-American" is a misnomer. It's oppressive and racist.
If you want to describe darker colors you can use copper colored and wooly hair.
My Paternal Grandmother kept a note from her grandfather with the Dawes and Census numbers if her Cherokee Freedman grandfather and i foynd their records.
Freedmen art exhibit at the seminole nation museum
The people in the first photo... are not Indigenous Indians.... Black People are the Ancient Indigenous Indains of this continent.
Lies.
@@mikegreen8938luzia?
Please have Nicka & the collective back for parts two, three, ECT.!❤️💯
The complication in history is mindblowing. very very deep. its frustrating for people who wanna know where they stand in authentic ethnic history or family members related
Im considered a black man in the US. My grandparents are on the Dawes Rolls as full blooded Choctaw. They also married full blood members of the tribe. Ledger number 16 page 474.
I would love to reach out and connect to learn more about my family history.
U are native😂
I have to watch this video again in segments. You ran through this history and told the story of your family with ease. You truly have open my eyes to other areas I have to research having Cherokee ancestry myself. If you have anything on Louisiana, please share.
Hello, hello, greetings from Consejo, Belize! I born ahn raised between Bartlesville and Nowata, Oklahoma. I got a big surprise the other day. I thought Bowlin Spring reunion who my high school sweetheart introduced to me to was a faded HBT in Oklahoma. When I went out to see the lectures on HBT's census, no Bowlin Spring mentioned. I guess it considered a Cherokee town, not what I remember. OK enough talking, let me get back to listening to you.
Yes OKHS! Visited over 10 years ago,and it was a revelation and helpful! Thanks for this video!!
My family is from Redbird oklahoma and helped build the town. I have stories of the trail of tears as slaves and the "1889 landrush" that led to the ability to start Redbird, ok. To prove my story the historically protected home that is still standing on london/ main street is my grandmother's childhood home. My ancestral family is buried in redbird, ok with the latest family members burials occurring in the early 2000s. Of course I am very interested in having a conversation with someone about my family's heritage and the town my family built BEFORE we were free!💔🖤🙏🇺🇸
Looking forward to talking to you😊
Everybody!!!! 🛑 with the African American talk, that’s the colonizers term for Us. That isn’t who We actually Are. People calling themselves two continents…. Geez
I despise 😒 it.
@@proudseeker4814Don't claim it
Could the OHS or Ms. Smith (I'm gonna start calling her DOCTOR Sewell Smith ;) create a source list for this talk? Perhaps a table with the source, where to find it, and if it is indexed. If anyone else has put it together or would like to collaborate in making one, I will help. The amount of information in these 71 minutes is remarkable!
Great idea, Erika! Here are some of the links, organizations, blogs, and books mentioned in Nicka's incredible presentation.
Oklahoma Historical Society Resources
Black History is Oklahoma History: www.okhistory.org/blackhistory
Genealogy Resources: www.okhistory.org/research/genealogy
Freedmen History: www.okhistory.org/learn/freedmen
Dawes Rolls Index: www.okhistory.org/research/dawes
1933 Unemployment Census: www.okhistory.org/research/reliefcensus
The Gateway to Oklahoma History: gateway.okhistory.org
The “Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History and Culture,” www.okhistory.org/encyclopedia
Nicka Smith's Website
Who is Nicka Smith?: www.whoisnickasmith.com/
More Websites and Blogs
Oklahoma Department of Libraries, Digital Prairie: digitalprairieok.net/
University of Oklahoma, Western History Collections: libraries.ou.edu/content/western-history-collections-0
University of Oklahoma, Indian Pioneer Papers: digital.libraries.ou.edu/whc/pioneer/
Family Search: www.familysearch.org
Gilcrease Museum: gilcrease.org
Oklahoma Freedmen collective: www.OKFreedmen.org
African-Native American Genealogy Blog, Angela Walton-Raji, african-nativeamerican.blogspot.com
Black and Red Journal blog,Terry Ligon, blackandredjournal.blogspot.com
Books
"Black Indians and Freedmen: The African Methodist Episcopal Church and Indigenous Americans from 1816 to 1916," by Christina Dickerson
"I've Been Here All the While: Black Freedom on Native Land," Alaina E. Roberts
"Ties That Bind: The Story of an Afro-Cherokee Family in Slavery and Freedom," by Tiya Miles
"The House on Diamond Hill: A Cherokee Plantation Story," also by Tiya Miles
"Freedom of the Frontier," volume one and two by Angela Walton-Raji
"Black Indian Genealogy Research,” by Angela Walton-Raji
"Black Indians: A Hidden Heritage," by William Loren Katz
"Red Over Black: Black Slavery Among Cherokee Indians," by R. Halliburton, Jr.
Recently dug deep into the history of my Bruner side of my family. An let me tell ya when I say so much history Seminole/Creek Freedman. Need to find a helping with this cause it’s exhausting lol
We are the Creek, Seminole, Yamasee, Washitaw etc. The thing is that we fathered the western hemisphere for millennia. We were prisoners of a ongoing war (Spanish Inquisition) We are Moors of ancient Moroccan (American) descent...We are Moors in (Cherokee, Yamasee, Choctaw, etc territories...We are the Allegewi/El Koyaha etc..
I can only go back as far as Cussetta, Georgia and Tchula, Mississippi for my mother and father's side... I need to make a trip to both of those places to track my roots.
my family were in the territory 1800s
Let me help you enrollment
okay that’s cool i appreciate you
Thanks for your information packed video. I live in BA so this info will be most helpful.
WE ARE NOT AFRICAN, the term African American was adopted by Jesse Jackson because they didn't know what to call us, we are the indigenous Niijis of Americans.
Preteindians
No.
That aboriginal conspiracy theory pushed by black-hebrew isrealites in our prison system to recruit intellectually weak members only takes away from the "real" plight of freedmen & their descendents.
@@choctawwarrior1587 That's actually who the Native Americans and Pale Skins are.
You are absolutely correct.💪🏿🛶🛶🪶🪶🪶🛶🛶🛶🛶
The United States Gov't owes reparations to us Native Americans.
GREAT PRESENTATION WITH A LOT TO THINK ABOUT
My great great grandmother was interviewed in 1936 in Logan county Ok. About when her and here husband came to Oklahoma in the early 1800s
I went to the Familysearch catalog and I couldn't pull up Marshall County, Oklahoma as Ms. Nicka stated (for deeds). It would only let me type in Oklahoma and it gave a long list of collections but nothing county specific. I'm wondering if Familysearch has changed their format. :(
Excellent presentation!
My family is from Beggs, Oklahoma and called Okmulgee "town". My Aunt was even born in the colored hospital there. About two generations before that they came from Tennessee and before that South Carolina and Georgia in Gullah Geechee country. My father's paternal people are Hughes And My Grandmothers people come from Mississippi Alabama and Louisiana. And one thing I found very puzzling about my ancestry test is that I have almost no European ancestry but I do have significant indigenous ancestry and of course African ancestry. And Hughes does show up on the Dawes roles in a few tribes, so I just wonder how I navigate to find the exact connection to find ancestors and tribal affiliations.
This explains a lot of challenges that Wallace Willis (Composer of "Swing Low Sweet Chariot") and the family faced. Too bad there isn't a picture of him around.
Thanks Nicka. This is the information that I needed. On my mother's maternal side her grandparents were enslaved Freedmen believed to be Choctaws on the Chickasaw Reservation. We do not know if they were on the Trail of Tears. On my father's maternal side, they were Non-Slaveowning Choctaw FullBloods who were on the Trail of Tears.
This is great information but as I jump to the websites she mentions, I have no clear idea of where to go from there. Did I miss the location of the homestead applications? How do we find the rejected Dawes applications?
Rejected Dawes are on Ancestry and Fold3. They're within the same records as the approved ones.
Fold3 is not free.
🎯Each one teach one
And a gr8 many captives of the native tribes were themselves of tge indigenous peoples who preceded them in this land. Foreigners used native peoples to help them take the land of indigenous peoples once the mission was accomplished the Foreigner turned on the native peoples who were living in lands given to them by the indigenous peoples after the war between the Mongolians & mauritanians in South amexem/America. (Mongolians were defeated but introduced the Mongolian phoenotype to some of the mauritanian bloodlines). The foreigners then took the land the natives were occupying. However, the u.s gov was fully aware of who these captives held by the natives were thus upon freeing americas so called negro population(which the gov says 10% had always been free) the gov demanded the natives do the same and give them equal share of wut the gov gave the native thru/in treatise. Now y wud the gov do that? I submit they knew they were already in violation of treatise it signed previously with the imperial gov of those very same indigenous peoples now being intentionally reclassified as negro(see treaty of friendship & peace/amenity from the articles of confederacy to which the constitution is an addendum), also introduced to the foreigners by the lini linape,
Nanticoke/antidote moors etc of the IROQUOIS CONFEDERATION (note i said Nanticoke "Moors/Muurs" not Indians of any kind). ALL OF THIS IF TO MAKE CLEAR WHO THE CAPTIVES OF NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES/CLANS ARE. THEY WERENT PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN BECAUSE TGE DECENDANTS OF AMERICAS ORIGINAL PEOPLES WHO WERE FOR THE MOST PART AT WAR WITH TGE FOREIGNERS LONG B4 THIERVWERE ANY NATIVE AMERICANS, WERE NOT NEGRO, BLACK, colored or AFRICAN
Ain't the so call African Americans are indigenous
What do you do with all of these documents you find? Need organized list of documents needed to apply for tribal citizenship and benefits.
African America is a misnomer...black Americans are the disenfranchised tribes who stood up to the colonial government
They watching the movement and they watching us these videos wouldn't be popping up if they wasn't we coming for ours
You a freedmen if not then idk why you talking about
@@fabbeyonddadancer You a lost puppet I traced my ancestors back to the 1100s no slave no African don't put me in a imaginary category because you were indoctrinated in the islands or Africa wherever u from but in America we have access to information and family records much easier than y'all so of course you lost and don't know yourself that's y y'all hate and envy us but hopefully you find yo identity instead of listening to you're masters.
We should have our own tribe for Black people with indigenous ancestry! Not just those who are on tribal roles.
Is there anyway I can get a hold of Nicka Smith? I want to email her in reference to asking for assistance.
Please visit Nicka Smith's website at www.whoisnickasmith.com/contact-me/ to reach out to her. Thanks for watching!
Black Americans can be considered native Americans not based on tribal registry but plain simple history. A very enlightening bestselling book titled 1493 written by C. Mann explains the simple truth. We blacks are MAROONS, a mix of indigenous people and Africans brought to St. AUGUSTINE Florida in1558. By year 1700 the Creek nation is BLACK. The tribes didn't have black slaves. That fabricated during g that civil war. The Seminoles Creeks, Yamasee, Should, Geechee, Ghoula, Chia, Alabamo, Talladega all black Indians. In early 1800 KIDNAPPED into slavery because the British prevented the shipping of slaves by early 1800s. FACT
My great grandfather was John H Crowell….
Funny how all the indian slave owners have "americanized white names".
They became Christians and changed their names. Most of the tribal leaders were very wealthy.
Some names were boarding school names, some English translation of Indian name, some from the reservation giving names, some from churches. The most common English surname given NA is Johnson.
I'm part of the Glass/Whitmire family from Nowata
Just because the painted the pictures of light colored original people of the land doesn’t mean that Dark skinned were not full blooded and part of the original tribes.
She mentioned tribes/clans who "SETTLED/MIGRATED" to tge area of wut is now Oklahoma. But wut peoples were already there?
Thats wut im saying?
African american aint African we are the Indians!
You have to be able to prove those claims. All I ever hear is a lot of claims, misleading information and gaps in this flawed theory. Stop it
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 slavery from Africa aint never been proved but you claim that...but they have the ship manifests from the white people coming. All I see is accepted false history from white people but let black people say something, and this is what you get.
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 what u fail to realize is that it doesn’t matter if he can or not because those so called “African Americans” that have already have debunked the lies told in schools and the history books. The lie has already been revealed.
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 Who Are you??? Also why would original people answer anything from y’all?
African American black etc are misnomer labels...copper skinned people in (TURTLE ISLAND)America been for AEONS not only derived from AFRICA
Your part of the vann family, do you know of Clara vann, husban was (Jim) James Smith if so please contact me.
Descended of both here....Rachel (drew) Gunter & Lewis (vann) gunter.......Mary Jane (James) Broadway & Charlie Broadway
Question? We're those on the Old Settlers Roll, volunteers for removal? I was under the impression that they knew forced removal was inevitable, and that some form of a governing body was need in Oklahoma prior to forced removal. Could you maybe clarify this or embellish on the reasons for the Old Settlers moving into NEOk. prior to the trail of tears?
We have the old settlers roll at the library but it has stuff like food clothes animals hard to decipher but I have the traditional stories that are past down as to what happened in the old country
@@mrs.theressagolden8692 the problem with traditional stories is there is always some form of embellishment. Word of mouth that goes against history isn’t really reliable.
Also that term “African American” shouldn’t be used, that term started being forced on “us” in 1988, please let’s put things in their true perspective.
What is the application?
@nickasmith do you know if there is a Ida bell Rogers born abt 1910 in your Rogers tree?
Some of the applications
Are not allowing the apps to go th6: someone meeds to look into this because their trying to register and they have s glitch4 blocking their registration.....O would advise them to seek an attorney ......That lmows these trearties about the registration...
What is an african american? And wgy usnt the term african on the 1st census records?
Because they weren't African.
14:30 now i see why there’s confusion. Please some Nations say the child must be born of nations woman. Not all Nation’s people track through patrilineal.
People please do your own research......This is Journey that all Americans should take....but leave your remedial African American history out . Re-educate yourself...Peace to All Freeman's of Many Nations ....
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I need your help.
As a native I don't wanna hear it. You don't see black people at native border schools for a reason, because buffalo soldiers were putting them there, or selling them after a tribes massacre to Mexico where slavery was still legal, the buffalo soldiers spent over 20 years at war with natives, in over 171 so called battles against innocent natives I don't call Wounded Knee or sandy creek a battle which the buffalo soldiers were at both. And the one man to stick up for us during the removal act was a white man named davy crockett, and almost did it the removal act only passed by 4 votes because of him, and we joined the Confederacy on a land promise, why you had the 5 tribes of the Confederacy, as a Cherokee I'm proud of hero and first native American Bridger General stand Waite, and his regiment the first Cherokee mounted riffles made up mostly of Cherokee Muskogee, creek, and Seminole, and many Louisiana tribes fought for the Confederacy, Louisiana is known for having some black confederates, and white people taking in natives that were in battle with each other it's funny watching someone get all angry and excited about a halfway truth, you failed on leaving chunks of history out. Buffalo soldier.
Are you enrolled? If so, you'd do yourself a favor to learn the truth. Wado.
@@whoisnickasmith I am John Fala Ratatoskr of Cherokee Nation NC and yes enrolled member of the Eastern Band of Cherokee. I know exactly what the truth is, and I laid out some truth here it's just not the truth you wanna speak of, and that's fine but these events took place that's the truth.
@@Civilwar.relics There was a group of Black men who attempted to fight for the Confederacy in Louisiana but were not given permission to join, so that argument is null. Further, there were interracial units during the Civil War, which I refer to here, the Indian Home Guards, who fought on the side of the Union, yet you don't talk about them in your argument, only those that supported keeping people in bondage. Further, why conflate Buffalo Soldiers with Freedmen? Those are two completely different groups of people. Again, I'd suggest you keep reading instead of insulating your thoughts.
@@whoisnickasmith that was a union regiment in Louisiana, that's a southern myth about those guy's, I've put a little research into it and that early they didn't allow black people into the Confederacy at that time, there's no documentation of them in muster rolls, for the Confederacy however they are muster into the US army, there aren't to many examples of freemen confederates, besides holt collier, then there's Nathan Bedford Forrest Calvary which was made up of men he freed and agreed to go to battle with him, but that's controversial to some, it's hard for people to except Nathan Bedford Forrest Calvary was black for the most part it's probably why holt collier left the Texas Confederacy Calvary he was in and joined Nathan, then Nathan Bedford Forrest gives like one of the first speeches for the NAACP originally called the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association, but these facts change things up, so people sometimes acknowledge them and research it, and look for the truth but most just shut the door and stick to the lie it sounds better.
Reading these comments, I think two things.
- I will filter away the angry tirade. Instead, I will look for the remains that I can research. The history of any family or nation is often more complex than facts known by one person or another.
- And I have strived to be alert as I research, so I can recognize something that refines or changes the historical narrative, especially where pain can overshadow logic.
Thank you both for sharing your research.
What if you have mineral rights
how do she know he was enslaved
Dawes Roll has our enslaved ancestors listed as Freedmen.
@@MaLiArtworks186 Don't worry about that just use this to collect as much information about your ancestry as you can because they want to try to register as indian, indian is a psyop you want to register as your original status there was not an are not any Indians in America this is what the colonist call them and still do as they steal your identity as an Indian you are claiming a status that doesn't belong to you are them the only real Indians are the eastern Indians. When you find your original status make sure you spell it as your ancestor's did because there will be a difference and you won't file for your original status three the dawe's commission they can't help you with this the dawe's commission was created to close the door on you not to help you !!
@@MaLiArtworks186 not true just means they were from one tribes and joined another tribe
Thank you i been called a liar for saying my dads black Cherokee!
Your not black
Not Black , just Cherokee. The pale skins named us Blacks.
@@KAW101take a dna test
@@Gh-jo1sr For what?
@@KAW101 so you can stop spreading false info about us african americans. Dna and haplogroups don't lie.
Misinformation. Oklahoma doesn't red people. Homma means more then red
I will say one thing, that the term Afican American should be abolished in referencing Native born black Americans. If you have ancestry that predates the 1950s meaning you are not an immigrant or first generation black. You shouldn't call yourself AA. We are black Americans. AA means you are an
1. Immigrant
2. First generation status, or
3. If you have African born grandparents, and your parents married another African from Africa, you are generational and you are AA.
But, if you have ancestry to this country, and can trace your ancestors back ions, to the beginning, you are Black. We were not born in Africa, we don't have two African parents or four African grandparents.
How do i contact Ms.Smith email etc?
I support freedmen I am a genealogist and a application specialist plz contact me
I'm not African American, and I'm not Native American, and i am not blac. I demand you to fix this misclassificatin. The blood of the southern ne-gro Indian people. Cynthie The ne-gro Buddha
You are the bomb did you come across any black Indians names sims of my grandfather's people
Where are the trolls?
Why do people keep showing us these modern paintings of this history as proof. Come on… that’s lazy!
Seems GATEKEEPERISH TO ME….. but don’t mind me, I’m just hear for the deception🙄
We have to get off of this African decent thing…most were melanated full blooded Indians….some of the full blooded Indians were labeled as “Black” by the Spanish explorers…it’s time to be honest.
I have been researching my ancestors for about 16 years and I have not found one African slave. After 25 thousand not a one. What I found was Caucasian and native Americans. I don't understand and yes Chief John Ross married into family, white Ketchup and family, many chiefs many ancestors all over the United States all 50. How is that possible? It doesn't add up with history.
My tree is Hugh it would take a lifetime and still want end. How is that possible? What I see is a helluva travesty for a people. I have facts , documents all of it. I don't answer to African anything. Also we both know dark skin natives were first. Nobody is full blooded anything not today. But we are denied citizenship by ignorance on both sides. But I know the truth yet the lies keep coming. More slaves were native American than anyone. So sad but I'm blessed to know the truth and my ancestors came to me . Guided me all the way. You see death is just a door. They came to me. There were no 40 thousand are ten thousand only 3,159 African slaves came here. Andre Head knew that and he kept the record. I also can't believe how ancestors turned against each other for greed. I grew up in Oklahoma so I been on the reservations so I know facts. I'm 66 my mom is almost a hundred and they all knew the truth.
Stop saying african America.....cause yall still not saying the correct terminology.....
SO DECEITFUL
I'm from Oklahoma City. I am enrolled in Muscogee Creek Nation & I have ancestors on the Creek Freedman roll. She knows her shit! Yall are so in denial about the most simple shit lol
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 you don't even know what I was referring to exactly.
Since you know so much, what am I in denial about?
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 Fools without a culture always have something to say… I’m referring to you btw
I am Mexican from 2 Mexican tribes. The USA narrative is so skewed and mean spirited towards the Natives, i wouldn't believe anything they say! Their narrative is so skewed, you can hardly find any truth in it anymore. These ppl who push it r hypocritical. The African came with the white man on ships of horror and it's very well documented on paper and DNA trail. The Natives were enslaved 100 to one, compared to the African. The African was as mean or meaner to the Natives as the European. The Natives couldn't own slaves,we were enslaved ourselves. The white man enrolled the Natives as African and the African as Native by sight only. The white man enrolled the Black ppl as slaves on the rolls, bc that is what they always labeled the African when they moved them. We, the Natives, didn't look African, but we have always come in different shades of brown, from very dark to light brown, depending on where our ancestors lived for centuries and diet. The African was supposed to stay on the Rez after the march to the Rez, they didn't, bc they didn't fit in. They didn't speak the Languages, they didn't eat, dress, sing, dance, nothing of our lifestyle. Now they wanna be us! Lol! The African Meztizo population in Mexico, is only 1.4 of a country of over 130 million people. The few African Meztizo who stayed, were truly Native African Meztizo ppl. All the other Africans followed their master to USA. The African Meztizo who stayed, were treated a lot better than the ones who went to USA, to this day, their descendants still live on the free lands given to their ancestors. Shut the hell up already, the African is NOT Native to the Americas. Get over it! The country is going cross eyed from rolling their eyes at your wannabe, interloping, intrusive, menacing culture vultures BS! Aren't they trying to be Egyptian this month? Pathetic!
You are way off on the history of the Indians. I am a Moor. We owned slaves too. You need to watch Kurimeo Ahau on YT. And Mexicans are the mixed breeds of Moors and the pale skin slaves they would not claim.
@@seagoddess524 you need to take ur rediculous wannabe cullture vultures BS to science and genealogists, they disagree with you! There is NOTHING but BS from the USA culture vultures, aka USA Black Centrists behind this BS! Not even the Aboriginals of Australia, or the Natives of Papua New Guinea, or the Negritos from the Philippines r African! Catch up, they are all from ASIA, Eurasia to be exact, with Asian DNA, not African DNA! Since DNA and new dating techniques, every new ancient human fossil, tool, site seems to strengthen the position of the Americas first inhabitants, and makes bigger fools of these USA Black culture vultures, aka USA Black Centrists. Pathetic! Aren't they trying to be Egyptian this month?
Your feeling are hurt,don't be insecure,you were lied to like many of us,I love you.
Another thing at the most 5% of Africans came to the US,get a clue
Not according to the DNA trail. It's a scientific fact that to this day, Native ppl of the Americas, carry the least mixed DNA in the world. Punch it in, it's on the internet. My feelings r not hurt, more discussted at the skewed narrative. There were as many Chinese slaves as Afro slaves in the Americas. The Indeginous were enslaved 100 to one compared to the African. The Chinese and Indeginous moved on very quickly from slavery. The only thing that should come of great misfortune, are valuable life lessons. We didn't get stuck. However it seems if you boohoo consistently, you fare better from the government.