Trial Tube - 4 Stroke VS 2 Stroke Beta 300
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- Опубліковано 12 лют 2021
- This video has been on the radar for a while now and it has just been a matter of getting it together and uploaded.
Thats age old question of which one is better?! We have also slid in a cheeky review of the Beta Evo 300 4T factory into this video as well.
This weeks episode is jam packed as we have also got the odd product review in there as well. As always completely independent and all of the products and bikes that we review we give an honest opinion. Although we always love to know what our subscribers think!
We go full for tilt in this video putting two brothers head to head as well as their pristine bikes!
If you are the kind of person that loves a bit of bike content (regardless of what style of sport) this video is for you you!
This is TRIAL TUBE!
Truly excellent riding by you both!! Thank you for sharing!
I love the sound of the 2 stroke,, can't beat it,, it looks lighter and easier to ride from watching these back to back! Having said that I'll need a few more days at trials day before I attempt that last section 🤔 great vids keep em coming 👍
Just discovered this channel and so happy, I have been looking for a quality trials channel for ages, thank you!
Glad you enjoy it! We couldn't find anything decent so we started one lol
@@TrialTube yeah that’s sick man, pat smage is great but you guys make more reviews and i love seeing that and what to buy aha keep it up you will be the equivalent of gmbn soon
@@dannynelson1213 I hope so lol
Two strokes all the way for me, just love how light they are.
Great content 👍
Your guys' balance is impeccable!!
Why thank you, that’s due to the years of Cycle trials
Nice one great to see you and Ash head to head as it gives us more time to see how to a attack the sections i.e take time figure it out and don't go till its all goods all the stiff I just forget and try to remember in the mud eat afterwards, Head to head same sections just great to see how the bikes work and the technique required to deal with the bike and the section. The camera does alter the feel considerably so thanks for the hill demo to allow is to gauge the steepness and plan the section with you as you work it out and explain what and why you do what you do. The internal monologue is really interesting. cheers Dan see you soon chap thanks.
Never commented on our own video but we wanna thank everyone of you that has viewed this episode!
I really enjoyed your video and have wanted to get a trials bike a while just don’t have the money
It’s a shame you don’t get more views for something that you have to spend such a long time making. I hope your channel picks up. I think if people clicked on your videos more instead of going on some stupid TikTok video they would really enjoy them. Keep up the good work.
@@drh4rdcore802 Thank you so much and please give us a share and we of course will try to keep the content flowing
Very cool channel, it's been a while I'm watching and really appreciate your effort your kindness and passion, that include your bro eventually !
Sincerely love your way 👍
Cheers man and thanks for the kind words it really is a labour of love
Another great video. Keep them coming!
Thanks, will do!
Loving your channel, thank you!
New episode tonight!
Great content and riding as normal keep it up guys
Love your videos, great discovery.
For me, there is a direct relationship between trials bike and 2 strokes sound, simple and unique reason to use, now and ever, a smoker bike :-)
Great video Danny and thank you for trying the guards out. Keep up the great work!
You are welcome and thank you for helping out!
Hi Dave! Where can we buy em?
@@Enzo-cb6fb Thanks for your interest, I've been selling them for £25 a pair posted tracked on a few facebook groups and will hopefully have them on amazon in the next few days but you can also email me at Dc_3d@hotmail.com i can send more details and photos.
Really enjoyed this comparison. You are both good riders too. I wish I had got back into trials after I stopped riding in the mid 80's. I'm too old now. I still enjoy watching it though. You make it look easy, which it certainly is not!
Glad you enjoyed it! Never too late, we have friends that started late!
100% I believe a 2T is easier to ride, but the 4T is just so much more rewarding when you get it right, and if all else fails I just love the sound of my 4RT, and that cheers me up when it’s all gone wrong. If I was riding week in, week out and cared where I came I’d may an Evo 2T. Probably a 200. I’d still keep the Mont though. It’s a keeper. Good vid. Enjoying them.
Good content yet again
I'm more of an old trail rider than trials and prefer 2T and ride a Sherco SER 250 6 days and have a Bultaco alpina 250 and a Sherpa T 250 both 74 models.
Love watching trials stuff and trying out techniques to help me in the tight stuff when trail riding and always looking for a cheap trials bike.
Loved the video, looked as though the 2T had a half worn tyre on it compared to the more tractable 4T with near new rubber so it did an exceptional job in that slop.
Long live the 2T!
Thats very observant and you were completely correct I had my practice wheels in that have extremely work tyres on! It's all about body position after all. Glad we are reaching out to all those that love a 2 stroke more than ever! We love to hear that the content is reaching all styles of rider. I think you will like the next video then ;-)
Two strokes wins.
Hi Danny I am new to your channel and I must say iam finding your content funny and entertaining so Danny keep up the good work
Thanks bud!! Really appreciate the support it means a lot!!
2 stroke sound is favourite for everyone. That beat 💓
Oh yes!!!
Amazing video 👍
May I just add that we have just brought home 2 Armstrong’s that are in need of total rebuilds. Me and the lad had a confab and it looks like we are going to lose the modern bikes as it’s just way too expensive. The wife is kicking off because I bought a TLM today too. All in need of some serious TLC . I don’t know how to link to you but these 3 bikes will be amazing. We are looking at dropping the frame on the TLM for our build. Firstly we need to get her running properly then strip and rebuild. She rode very nicely but she was top heavy, the front wheel needs moving in slightly, a quick shuffle on the headstock, a cut and shut kind of thing.
great videos.. keep them coming...
Thank you so much for watching and commenting!! We will do!
Thanks, that's what I needed. I'm now left wondering the merits of the Beta 4T compared to a Montesa 4RT. Some skilled riding on show there.
Thanks!!!! Great video.
Thanks for watching!!
Great video
I think you really need to be a really good rider to get the most out of a 4 stroke. I remember test riding the 2020 4t apparently the weight is upwards of 80kg when full of fluids. Like that is insane when compared to some 2 strokes like the TRS weighs 65kg and the vertigo at 68kg. Changing the oil in the 4t less is great and you can get 4-5 litre container of castrol or something equivalent. Definitely a lot easier to service than a 4rt , changing gaskets and the pain of getting that oil filter in.
Maybe consider time lapse photography when Ash is balancing and getting ready for an obstacle 😂👍 Fab Videos ❤️
Good idea!!
My mates switch to the Beta 4 strokes in 2011 and did well on them. I had a ride on them n got no where as it is a technique to master them, but once done had amazing grip on up hill climbs. Beta did a good job with the 4 stroke unlike GasGas that never got to production and the dire Sherco.
I agree and respect that they continued to develop a working 4 banger!
just found your videos there going down great only on the firth bag of crisps :) could you do a vid on difference between 250-300 to an average rider, so if you was just getting into it and have done a few training days at inter level what would be a good bike :)
That’s a great idea and I will do of course!! Thanks for watching and please don’t forget to share the channel. It’s what keeps me going 👍👍
Great videos, nice to see some trials content on UA-cam, would love to see a review of a vertigo
That’s coming up!
@@TrialTube awesome.. looking forward to it 👍
Good video lads
Legend!
Boy sounds like a good old-fashioned valve adjustment!! wouldn't hurt a thing!! Lol.
I think most people like 4stroke for the easier riding aspects.. like as far as regular dirt/trail bikes go. But 2strokes definitely have a meaner sound, in my opinion
Did you get a sense of how the transfer gearing is? Where I would be riding the transfer gears (4+) would be used often. Is the 4T being a 5speed an issue for this?
The bigger gears are always extremely long and it’s only for road work. In that case the four stroke can handle the long gears for a higher period of time at higher revs. That’s why a four stroke is able to make time up down the road in Scotland!
A like both bikes but the 2 stroke looked lighter. Who is the chap that does them fork gards ?
Great you 2 👍👍🇬🇧
It was touched on in one of the comments, I see on other videos the 4RT needs a gasket change to get to the oil filter every 15hrs, what does the Beta 4t need in way of maintenance?
After a lengthy convo with my 4 stroke riding brother. He is saying there is a sump plug gasket only and the filter is held in by three bolts and an o-ring (that doesn’t have to be replaced every change). As riders we are also supported by Silkolene. So oil changes are frequent!
I'm more of an old trail rider than trials and prefer 2T and ride a Sherco SER 250 6 days and have a Bultaco alpina 250 and a Sherpa T 250 both 74 models.
I enjoy using and practising trials techniques to improve my riding and enjoy these types of comparisons. I'm always looking for a cheap trials bike though to help with the tight stuff.
Love the vid, looked as though the 2T tyre was near half worn out so it did an outstanding job against the more tractable 4T with near new rubber.
Long live the 2T!
In all seriousness (just for a moment) did your brother go from the Beta to the Montessa because the fuel injection? I'm thinking of trading out of my Sherco (friend has a Beta 4 st - I prefer the power delivery). I don't notice the weight difference so much but it is 10 extra pounds, maybe i could cut off an arm or something :-))
The Beta 4 stroke is a nice bike as a 250. But the Montesa rides a lot better with a more useful power curve in the short stroke engine. If you wanna go four stroke then be prepared for the extra weight. It’s a lot. More than you think…
@@TrialTube yep - more test riding in my future for sure. In this test the 2 stroke does look more nimble. I’ll be in Florida for the Winter so plenty of chance to test ride a lot, good luck with that North of England weather!🤣🤣Reminds me why I left. Yours in toightness 🤣🤣
What you feel is what you feel, you can't measure it in any way. But this low center of gravity of a 4T, when it has chains, cams, valves .... a taller head overall with extra bolts, ... and the pipe and carb are also higher, how can the CG be lower? Is the 4T crank heavier than a 2T? I thought the only thing heavier in a 2T was the crank.
The four stroke rides a lot more “front end heavy” which doesn’t bode well for grip…
Terms of longevity and maintenance. What is the difference between the 2 & 4 stokes? What’s your experience? I’m deciding which way to go. I live in Colorado and there’s tons of hill climbing trails here lol
If you are “free riding” more than competing I would say go 4-stroke as they have a little better lifespan. Especially if you have a Honda!
@@TrialTube Honda, oh yeah 👍🏼 interesting I have my eye on a 4ride, do you have any experience with it? My main interest is lower speed trail riding, including trials riding.
The 4ride would be great option for what you are suggesting! I have ridden one and they are bomb proof to be fair. (Trials wheels option is better than the “Offroad” wheel option also!)
I've never experienced a trails bike but I ride a beta 300 an husaberg fe570 an on big rock faces or flat big hills my 570 I use 2nd gear my beta I have to use first otherwise it bogs out half way up but up hills with lots of logs tree roots an rocks the beta is nicer as it's lighter lower good for riding slow I love both 2 an 4 strokes
Thanks for the great comment! 2 vs 4 can always gain some traction and it’s one fo those age old questions!
Both are great in the right hands!
Good video 👍
Thanks bud don't forget to subscribe, like and share! We also feel an Enduro Channel coming on?
@@TrialTube yes ok😉
Great video. Now try the sections non stop.
Ok will do! Normally most riders that have mastered stop and hop can ride the old school.
First of all I have to say this. Have you seen the 4t Meister on a push bike....he is sub human. A lot like our Dougie before he fucked up on a 4t, it’s natural ability, Dougie is a 2t god and would have won more if he hadn’t gone 4t? That’s out of the way now. 4t you have to be a very strong person where as 2t you have a good pick of machines. My lad has gone went across to a Beta 200 and that’s just what he needed then .The offering from Montesa is shear power off the mark. They just offer a high end bike that’s not manageable. Montesa need a kid friendly bike not just a world beater. GasGas used to offer that but not now. My lad now is on a Vertigo bespoke bike, a 200 . The cost is outrageously crass.
Can we please look at the cost. Doubled in 10 years and so have the consumables...tyres that 10 years ago were £45 are now £100 it’s out pricing itself.
And the kicker is on the proper side on the 4 stroke
Very true!!!
Brilliant informative video. Danny you've ridden both Montesa 300rr and now Beta 4t, what's your views on the differences between them?
Keep up the great work.
HI Paul, Thank you you for watching! (Also hopefully sharing?)
Great question! After riding both of the bikes I can honestly say that they are completely unique. Both are rather hefty units and take some moving around I am not gonna lie! It's completely obvious that I love the Beta brand and I really look into how a bike rides and feels through the head angle and positioning of the pegs for me personally.
So on that notion I can say that I prefer the riding position on the Beta but I feel the Montesa is the more responsive engine.
I understand that doesn't really help but that's what I have taken away from both bikes. They are simply so different. I did like the Mont though. Which I didn't think I would. (I am also a fan of the big Japanese companies being involved still in trials.)
No it helps alot, thanks.
Any chance of a video on how to set up fork & shock? How should the forks react when correctly set up for rebound and compression?
any one know anything about the Yamaha 4 stroke they seem to ride in Japan a lot ?
doesn't get a lot of press coverage in Europe
Only in Japan I am afraid
Hey Danny, I was wondering, how many people over in the uk know about trials? Because I live in the states and it seems like I have to explain to everyone what it is.
Here in the uk there is a very good following for trials and in Europe too, this is helped here also with good media coverage and I would say most have a small idea of what trials is, its good UA-cam content like TrialTube that can only help to forward trials in the world and main public eye.
We have quite the following to be honest! But it could always be better! Thanks for watching across the pond!
He’s the first person that I’ve ever heard say he prefers 4t sound over the 2t.
It’s an acquired taste 😂
Just from watching this, the motor doesn’t seem very responsive. Maybe the sound is deceitful?
I’m a newb to the sport so what do I know...
Both bikes have very different characteristics!!
where can i buy the exhaustprotection (collector) for the 4 stroke?
Which part do you mean buddy?
The carbon protection on the lefstside (there where we always burn holes in our pant...
From Kelley Carbon and say you have been sent by us 😜
Great video where abouts are you based in the UK
Staffs buddy!
@@TrialTube not to far away thank you for replying I'm in the process of designing and building my own trials bike and once completed would like to get some more experienced and qualified riders to give there view on it
@@vincentskrazykustoms2834 wow that’s awesome man! Would love to feature!
@@TrialTube excellent I shall carry on watching your video's and get on with it I will be in touch
@@vincentskrazykustoms2834 amazing !
Winner winner, chicken, dinner!
Hope you are enjoying the videos!!
I Like Motorcirkal Trial ...!!!
Yo! Danny where you from? Your accent sounds dead familiar! Im from wirral by the way!! 👊✊💨💨💨
STOKE!
@@TrialTube oh thats it, couldn't get my head round it, not far from us. Like your videos so I subbed ya!
Only thing that's better with a 4 stroke is fuel consumption which may actually be a big thing on a trials bike if your into trail riding.
Wouldn't most people buy a "trail bike/ enduro bike" if they are going for long distance as most of the long distance events have fuel stops.
@@TrialTube Many people just ride for fun and never get near any events and competitions. A trials bike handles more like a downhill bike on the trails and I like that over something like an enduro.
An other reason in my case is that I'm partially paraplegic and it's much easier for me to handle the smallest possible bike.
4 stroke, the kickstarter is on the wrong side. I just don't think I could adapt!
Or me, I like the left hander one as it helps with an injury I have picked up of late. (Dislocated ankle and ligament rupturing)
@@TrialTube I've only ever ridden Beta 2-strokes in my short time on these bikes. So left hand kicker is a habit now that'll be hard to break. TRS electric start to the rescue!
@@fprintf Ya know I am actually intrigued to try that out.
Your video is depressing ME
Making me realise how crap! I’am...😂😂😂
ps. Just bought the Montesa 4RT as a novice coming from an old Sherco 200 I find it easier to ride... must be a torque thing, doesn’t need as much clutch action 👍 anyway keep the vids coming 👍🏴🥃
Don't get depressed. We are all having to stay put. we are very fortunate to have a private place to ride. But when the world starts turning again the best way to improve is to get out riding! Or you can even visit one of the UK's best trials training places like Trialsday.com
@@TrialTube
🤔😂😂😂that makes me feel worse... I’ve got a woodland in my gdn...just in from a 2hr play
Getting there...😂💕😍
Just a thought!! Would be good once you have established the channel to think of running a parallel Beginner Riding Technique channel... similar to “Jitsie”🤔👍
@@BillCairns Its like you have read our mind as this channel will 100% have this coming for you all very soon. The more views and share we get the more chance we have of doing this more and more. The current videos take a week to put together and we intend to make sure we can have this level of content across all levels. We also have some very special guests and trips lined up. Keeping the content to the highest level.
Danny do you still do pedal trials or not?
I do of course as that is still my job. I unfortunately had a huge injury on it though. I snapped my ankle and destroyed the ligaments attached. I will be back in the pedals shortly!
@@TrialTube that sounds painful but you still ride your beta
@@Girraffe_o_ I have always rode Moto. (I rode the motorbike before going full time push bike). Don't worry though I will be back on the pedals as soon as the weather warms up!
Ok that’s gud
Sounds like on the 4 stroke you need to add a manual adjustable camshaft chain tensioner.
If it was needed, they would of added it…
@@TrialTube You are in luck Beta makes one , its part number AB-22009
@@Sertao2013 They do for the enduro bikes.....Wrong sport man. Also different engine completely.
@@TrialTube It will fit the Evo 300 4T . Just buy it and get your cam chain adjust correctly .
we kind of don't need to as this is a long time ago and bikes have been upgraded. Thanks for the comments and support though.
2:53 ...not so much actually. Most people think my 2t 280cc trials bike is a 4t.
That maybe is down to lack of knowing which is which... For those in the know the sound and smell of a two stroke is obvious. Thanks for watching though!
@@TrialTube Most people who are used to mopeds and dirtbikes. To them it sounds like a 4 stroke unless you red line it. I rode a whole day with my brother on his Honda MT5 and he thought my ES280 was a 4 stroke.
These modern big 2 strokes have so much less power than I thought
All depends on the bike and when you open the taps…
Rev 2t 👋👋
2 Stroke all the way!
Correct lol
4t ftw
Haha is that right?!
2T looks better and sonds better. Seems to drive easily too.
Great sport, not well knowing in America.
That’s a shame and I hope we can change that!!
i see your selling your beta, nows your chance go green
Haha is that right? We do have a test of the green machine coming up!
Trial riders are better looking ? Their helmets don't cover face,
too many ads on these videos :(
Sorry bud I don't control how the add's work. Of course YT premium customers don't get them. Although stick it out for the love of the channel!
looks so much cleaner and smoother on the 2 stroke
Agreed!
Get on with it.jeez that's not how I rode trials.
I won't win a British trials round.
Get on with it….sounds like patience ain’t a virtue
4t just sounds like a fart
Accurate description
how can u say a 4 stroke is maintance free? and that sounds is fucking awful. 4 strokes need much more maintance than a 2 stroke.
Less maintenance day in and day out. The four stroke re-build rate in trials is wwwwaaaaaayyyyy lower..
and it comes with a kick start on the "correct" side🫡