23:14 "So I don't wish to suggest that Plato merely employs myth because of its explanatory power as some sort of strategy. I think that logos serves to pave the way to a myth that is at once connected to the traces of the old and that also stands und the commands of logos and the idea." Some of this reminds me of Gabriel Richardson Lear's lecture "Plato on Philosophical Wonder" (held in 2013 at the University of Chicago). In this lecture, she compares differing remarks of Plato and Aristotle on thaumazein. In Metaphysics A, Aristotle employs the picture of philosophy beginning in wonder, which he compares to some kind of decptive illusion whose deceptive power and possibly also its causing of interest disappear, once the initial bewilderment is replaced by a true understanding of the relevant causes, "from wonder to worldview" so to speak. She contrasts this view with one which she thinks to have found in a passage of the Theaitetos, in which Socrates talks about "cambridge" change and expresses, genuinely or not, some kind of bewilderment about it, and in consequence of this, praises the genealogy of thaumas as the child of iris. According to Lear, Plato did not see wonder so much at the beginning of philosophy, but rather at its end. Isn't it the case that much of the following history of philosophy falls somewhere between Plato and Aristotle? "Metaphysics, or the attempt to conceive the world as a whole by means of thought, has been developed, from the first, by the union and conflict of two very different human impulses, the one urging men towards mysticism, the other urging them towards science. Some men have achieved greatness through one of these impulses alone, others through the other alone" - Bertrand Russell, Mysticism and Logic.
Why rely on closed captions when we’re not sure they have a stenographer or something like doing that? Use a loud speaker and use nonlinear notes as you listen.
@@dionysianapollomarx I want to watch a youtube video that's only audio. 😤. If the audio is gobbledygook don't tell people to do homework. Tell the people posting they have problems. Fix your audio post. It's like listening to a music station that keeps cutting out!
23:14 "So I don't wish to suggest that Plato merely employs myth because of its explanatory power as some sort of strategy. I think that logos serves to pave the way to a myth that is at once connected to the traces of the old and that also stands und the commands of logos and the idea."
Some of this reminds me of Gabriel Richardson Lear's lecture "Plato on Philosophical Wonder" (held in 2013 at the University of Chicago). In this lecture, she compares differing remarks of Plato and Aristotle on thaumazein. In Metaphysics A, Aristotle employs the picture of philosophy beginning in wonder, which he compares to some kind of decptive illusion whose deceptive power and possibly also its causing of interest disappear, once the initial bewilderment is replaced by a true understanding of the relevant causes, "from wonder to worldview" so to speak. She contrasts this view with one which she thinks to have found in a passage of the Theaitetos, in which Socrates talks about "cambridge" change and expresses, genuinely or not, some kind of bewilderment about it, and in consequence of this, praises the genealogy of thaumas as the child of iris. According to Lear, Plato did not see wonder so much at the beginning of philosophy, but rather at its end.
Isn't it the case that much of the following history of philosophy falls somewhere between Plato and Aristotle?
"Metaphysics, or the attempt to conceive the world as a whole by means of thought, has been developed, from the first, by the union and conflict of two very different human impulses, the one urging men towards mysticism, the other urging them towards science. Some men have achieved greatness through one of these impulses alone, others through the other alone" - Bertrand Russell, Mysticism and Logic.
Thanks for this
Philosophy without precise wording? Please fix the closed captioning. This is gibberish
Why rely on closed captions when we’re not sure they have a stenographer or something like doing that? Use a loud speaker and use nonlinear notes as you listen.
@@dionysianapollomarx I want to watch a youtube video that's only audio. 😤. If the audio is gobbledygook don't tell people to do homework. Tell the people posting they have problems. Fix your audio post. It's like listening to a music station that keeps cutting out!
I did not expect this guest!