Using Neuroscience to Draw for 10,000 Hours --- 200 hour review

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  • @Valialikesstuff
    @Valialikesstuff 25 днів тому +95

    redrawing a pose from different angles is insanely hard!!! you have inspired me thank you

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому +7

      It really was at first, and honestly, it still can be 😅 but I think like anything, it's just a case of practising it.
      It definitely helps to draw simple box and cylinder figures at first. Makes everything much easier to figure out and plot on the page.
      Thanks for watching ❤️

  • @Selrisitai
    @Selrisitai 24 дні тому +32

    Incidentally, "Draw a Box" has an exercise that's specifically about drawing shapes INSIDE other shapes, the way you describe how boxes don't necessarily work for anatomy since the parts of the body "bite into" each other.
    So may be worth looking at that.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  24 дні тому +6

      Ooh, nice. Thanks for sharing, I will have to go take a look at that!

  • @lour8862
    @lour8862 25 днів тому +51

    I don't know when i subscribed to your channel but I'm really grateful that I did it because it gives me a lot of motivation to see a guy like you slowly becoming very good with a clear goal in mind, don't give up!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  23 дні тому +3

      Thanks so much! It's certainly a long road but I honestly just enjoy the process and would be doing this even if I wasn't making videos about it.
      I'm glad you find the content useful and inspiring, and I hope to continue producing videos to help others progress as well.
      I really appreciate you watching and subscribing ❤️

  • @GeometricJellyfish
    @GeometricJellyfish 25 днів тому +13

    I also found creating ideas really difficult while working as an artist for a video game studio. But I figured out a way that works for me. I usually start off with a random word, for example crown, and then I abstract that as a silhouette and apply it to whatever I'm creating. These visual images usually trigger my brain into coming up with something interesting, but massively reduces the barrier of entry to coming up with ideas. I'm sure your visual library is actually better than you believe. Finally, I find that I need to empty my head of any ideas that I think of immediately so I can make space for new ones quickly, which I do by writing or sketching. I treat the ideation phase a lot like automatic writing.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому +3

      That's super interesting! Another viewer also mentioned the power of prompts and words.
      I love the idea of starting with a silhouette. My initial foray into designing things in the past week has seemed to highlight the importance of starting with the biggest shapes and forms and then getting more detailed. Primary -> seco dary -> tertiary. Your approach seems to encapsulate that nicely!
      Also fascinating to hear about the 'mind dump'. That's not something I have encountered yet but it makes perfect sense and seems like a great way to get a bunch of things on the table to work with!
      Thanks so much for sharing and watching 💖✨️

  • @ZEBASS
    @ZEBASS 11 днів тому +3

    This is really impressive, you surely have a solid method and some very clever ways to train those fundamentals. I've been drawing my whole life, and working professionally as an artist for more than 15 years. I can already see you do a lot of things better than I do, after only a couple hundred hours of focused practice!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      Wow thanks! That's really useful feedback! I have been playing with these things for a few years and across a variety of subjects and when I found it seemed to work for drawing, I wanted to share it to see if others could make it work too.
      I think that as a learning method in general it's incredibly valuable, and should be more widely seen in society. A lot of medical students use it, but that's about it.

  • @jenakin_skywalker6275
    @jenakin_skywalker6275 Годину тому

    I started taking art more seriously roughly 7 years ago. You, Sir are miiiiiiiles ahead of me already. Being able to draw a face or full body even in multiple angles based on ONE reference is witchcraft to me. It is sooooooo hard to do.

  • @datkeckmonster-5759
    @datkeckmonster-5759 25 днів тому +7

    Great video! When I saw that you hit the 200 hours I opened yt every day to see if you uploaded a new long form vid and here you are!
    I'm also hyped for the discord server, the new baseline painting and the meta learning vids!
    Keep up the great practice. it's super inspiring and making me want to draw. Thank you!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому

      Haha great! I'm glad the videos motivate you to draw too. Thanks so much for your support and I hope I can continue to male content you find useful ❤️

  • @annehmbar
    @annehmbar 22 дні тому +3

    Hey, maybe the book "lighting for animators" could also be a good addition to your art books. I've been reading the pdf version of it out of curiosity and it is really refreshing to look at lighting from another perspective than just 2 dimensional drawing. The first few chapters are definetely valuable for the purpose of thinking about lighting and composition.
    That said, I love seeing your journey!! Keep up the good work :)

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  16 днів тому

      Thanks so much for this! I hadn't heard of this one before but will check it out. I love anything that makes you think about a subject in a new way, so it sounds perfect!
      Thanks for watching! 💖

  • @towerside7003
    @towerside7003 6 днів тому

    i love love love to see this because we always see beautiful paintings and drawings by artists but we almost always never get to see their progression from beginner to advanced

    • @towerside7003
      @towerside7003 6 днів тому

      the time and energy that goes into perfecting your craft needs more acknowledgment so we can appreciate the beautiful final products!!!

  • @hollowedboi5937
    @hollowedboi5937 25 днів тому +16

    The anxiety up to getting to the page.
    The uneasiness when just starting to draw.
    The frustration of trying to handle a difficult principle.
    All of this is part of the process, it means you are doing this right.
    And I love the thinking of doing things is bitesized chunks, building your principles. Yes of course new things and things you haven’t practiced in a while are difficult. I will try to embrace this and just look towards growth through time spend deliberately and intentionally designing one principle at a time.
    Thank you.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому +1

      No problem my friend, thanks for your kind words and for taking the time to watch and comment 💖
      I haven't covered it yet in a video but there is also evidence to suggest that working at the edge of your comfort zone/ skill level is where the most growth occurs neurologically speaking. The downside to this is that you are always producing crappy drawings 😅 when you get better and understand a principle, you make things harder, and the drawings suck again. So I encounter that a fair bit haha.
      But then when you look back, or test yourself with a finished piece of art, you realise how far you have come, so it's worth it in the end.

  • @g.a.9896
    @g.a.9896 25 днів тому +1

    Love your videos, they are very inspirational as someone who quit drawing for a long time but now has a goal to try to improve through putting in a lot of hours. Enjoy seeing how you improve as time goes on!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому

      Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to watch them. It takes a lot of hours for sure. I just try to use them wisely, and hopefully somewhat scientifically to squeeze as much progress and growth out of each one as possible. Good luck with your studies! ✨️

  • @CantonWhy
    @CantonWhy 25 днів тому +1

    Thanks for sharing your progress with us. You've no idea how inspiring it is.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому

      Ah, that's so nice of you to say! 💖 I'm glad you find the videos inspiring and I hope to keep working on them to help as many people as I can.

  • @Sartorius658
    @Sartorius658 21 день тому

    I love how you easily explain how to draw, and paint all compacted in one video.
    It's really informative thank you

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  17 днів тому

      You are very welcome! I find that I learn far easier when I work like this. I'm constantly investigating and experimenting the basic aspects of drawing, and this leads me to the next steps. Meta-learning is really learning how to learn, and having this awareness of your studies helps a lot I think.
      Thanks for watching! ❤️✨️

  • @averagetrailertrash
    @averagetrailertrash 4 дні тому

    It seems the algorithm sent my last comment to the aether for being too long, so I'll keep this one short haha
    1 - You've built a great community here with cool discussions in the comments!
    2 - Design is more about working with lists of options, rather than using some vague visual library. Like think of each feature eyes can have -- how high they are, how much they protrude, their tilt, etc. You pick the options that suit the context and balance out other features.
    3 - Guidelines aren't something you grow out of as an artist. You just learn better versions of them. Constructing in perspective doesn't have to involve harsh-edged forms like cubes. I pretend I'm working with clay balls, for example, and pile them up to build the underlying forms.

  • @maplinxxgd5234
    @maplinxxgd5234 25 днів тому +1

    Great progress! I really like that you try to draw the same reference image from several different perspectives. I haven’t tried that but it looks like it takes a ton of deep thinking

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому +2

      Thank you! It is a bit of a brain melter at first, but I think if you can draw boxes in perspective from any angle, then you can draw the human figure if you can see it as just a stack of boxes. I am a big believer in making complex ideas as simple as possible to begin learning them, before adding more complexity.
      I try to keep the complexity at a high enough level that it's tough, but not impossible, because that is where the most growth happens.
      The downside to this is that your drawings are always 'bad' because you are constantly grappling with something tough, and not just drawing the same subject in the same way over and over agin in great comfort, always getting great results, like a lot of artists do.

  • @narutardednerd
    @narutardednerd 2 дні тому

    Great to see your progress!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  День тому

      Thank you very much, you are very kind. I appreciate you watching ❤️

  • @clonezero07
    @clonezero07 14 днів тому

    I as an begining artist find this video very motivational. Even tho I already had been drawn for past 2 hour I'll probably go and draw even more today. I also liked how author has answered to almost every comment on the video, had a fun time reading all of them!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      Haha it takes me a while but I eventually reply to everyone!
      I do a little every day and like a bucket slowly filling drip by drip, your skill level builds up 💪 I am glad you find the videos useful and I am grateful for your support 💕

  • @sakuralila
    @sakuralila 10 днів тому

    thanks for the video! i have intense anxiety and i expect to be excellent with just one or two drawings so it felt good to see people working for long hours, i expect too much and i should lower my standarts, this video made me calm :'D
    also your cat is so cute omg :D

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому +1

      Ah glad to hear it helped you out! Yes, it is very easy to compare yourself to others, and really want those results asap. I feel the same way a lot too! But I try to remind myself to slowly get there by just making steady progress, and working on one piece at a time until I feel I fully understand that little piece.
      Oh yes, she is cute when she is sleeping 😆 it's when she's awake she is a terror.
      I wish you the very best of luck in your art and your learning! You already have everything you need to achieve your goals! It just takes time 🧡🫂

  • @alphaprima3966
    @alphaprima3966 25 днів тому +51

    15:36 I'm pretty sure Kim Jung Gi legit had a photographic memory. I heard of some people meeting him at cons, with years in between, and he still remembered them years down the line. That's why I think he had a much easier time visualizing scenes inside his head.
    I guess it also stems down to the whole thing of how well you can imagine stuff, like imagining an apple and how detailed you can make it inside your head, from being fuzzy and gray to fully colored and being able to easily rotate it 360° inside your head. When it comes to that, I myself am kinda on the same level as you, when you were explaining your process on how you draw a head.
    So when it comes to actual visualizing, it's not ALL about skill and there's also some neuroscience and biology at play, but i don't think thats an excuse to just brush it off, I guess i'll just have to work extra hard to catch up to others levels.
    Great progress btw! Will continue watching, trying to improve myself alongside!

    • @BabyfejsPlatlipla
      @BabyfejsPlatlipla 25 днів тому +6

      Thank you for saying this! I see so many say that natural born talent doesn't exist, but it's just more as an advantage you have when you learn and how fast the process gets, and it's useless unless you practice. I saw a guy's video here on youtube claiming Kim Jung Gi had no talent, just practice, and he got really defensive when somebody pointed out what you're saying. He claims that way of thinking is setting yourself up for failure but I think it's the opposite. It's realising your limits and learning to work around them, even with them. Jeffrey Watts, as an example, is a great artist but he said in a stream that he will never be able to work in the same way as Kim Jung Gi no matter how much he practice because he doesn't have photographic memory. I also know a person who was born without the capability to see pictures in her head - at all! She will never be able to draw from visual memory, and she would be very frustrated in trying to learn art as other people and I think denying the neurological advantages is actually setting you up for extreme frustration to the point it makes you quit. She loves art but never pursued it, and I think it's so sad because she could have made other kinds of art and learn in other ways. It kind of makes me think of neurodivergent people getting told they're just not working hard enough and are lazy in school when they can even excel their peers if they learn in another way. And Picasso had an eye disorder which made his brain see two pictures and he had a hard time learning in the same ways as his peers, that's at least what I learned in my art and litterature class, so what you're saying with being born with advantages is really important to realise and not to forget, but I think people who wish to be like Kim Jung Gi one day can't handle that truth but honestly, I think artists should strive to be the best they can be themselves and focus on being unique instead of obsessing over becoming like another artist.

    • @theticofacous
      @theticofacous 24 дні тому +5

      There is an interview with Kazone where he specifically says he does not have a photographic memory. He admits having a natural affinity for drawing. Watch his videos explaining how to draw objects, you'll find that KJG has intensely analytical understanding (this is the form, this is the function). It would be comforting to believe he is an alien, but it appears the only alien part is his work ethic and ability to understand concepts.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому +5

      I think the thing that fascinates me the most in interviews I have seen with him is that he realised from a young age that his drawings were not realistic. He had one where he says he and all the other boys would draw tanks, and they draw them side on like most kids would, flat and orthographic, but then he would go home and watch cartoons and the tanks on there were three dimensional, so from a young age he figured out the importance of things like perspective and started playing with them. I think he had the ability to figure out what he needed to do to improve on top of everything else.
      I do think he was a one off in many ways, whether photographic memory, genetics, sheer will power, natural curiosity, or just luck. Probably a little of each.
      I think you describe it very well in that being able to visualise things in your head is a skill. It's a hugely underappreciated part of learning to draw. Really seeing the world around you and internalizing it.
      I thank you for watching, am glad that you enjoyed the video, and wish you the very best of luck in your own study and improvement! 💖✨️

    • @MathiasZamecki
      @MathiasZamecki 19 днів тому +4

      @10.000hrs he doesn't had photographic memory when you go through his older books you see how much he improved. Also I met him back in 2015 and for the whole 5 days of the even he was drawing nonstop everywhere glued to his sketchbook or signing (drawing) his books

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому +2

      @@MathiasZamecki Wow that's amazing! Must have been such a great experience. That makes him even more impressive to me. I guess he really just loved what he did. Such a shame he is gone 😩 I'd love to have seen how he good would be at like 80 years old.

  • @kishasworld
    @kishasworld 22 дні тому

    I wanna just tell you I appreciate the analytical part of how you paint and how you draw because I’m more intuitive painter so I tend not to think of structure and color and color, variation and light and shadow. I just tend to make shapes and paint them or make shapes and draw them in, but I don’t, understand my process even though I’ve been since I was 12 and I’m 51 so it’s nice to see and think about their approach to their craft

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  15 днів тому

      You're very welcome my friend! I suppose it's just how my mind works, but I feel much better dealing with subjects in this quantifiable manner.
      I have had conversations with people who take a far more expressionist view, and say that you should just draw and paint without thinking and express yourself, but to me that's not how the old masters did things, at least initially.
      I feel there has to be at least some degree of very formal study, much like learning chemistry or cooking, before you can just go nuts and create things to a level that is considered decent.
      Thanks for watching. I'm always grateful to hear from those for more experienced than me ❤️

  • @nycsim-r8t
    @nycsim-r8t 14 днів тому +1

    Lots of great tips on learning color. Handling physical media is great and therapeutic. It's great to learn color mixing and you will get an intuitive sense of hue, chroma, and value. Something much harder to develop with just digital color. Even with digital color I use physical media terms like this color looks like a mix of viridian and lemon yellow. I use watercolor instead of gouache for its more chaotic nature as you get lots of "happy accidents" and learn to go with the (water) flow. I would also say to move to color as soon as possible and learn to see value (squinting helps a lot) directly. While doing endless grayscale and monochrome paintings can help, once you feel some competency just move to color and don't look back.
    Art is very much physical and mental. Over time I've learned that one's hands can know more than the active mind and is much more intuitive. In fact, the whole point of training and skill building is to get a lot of the technical points into intuition. Art is problem solving and with our limited working memory it's best to use that to focus on actual higher-level problem solving like what colors? what design? what composition? instead of using it for basic drawing and painting skills. That's the point of extensive practice to make it crystallized knowledge and intuitive so you can focus on the actual problem solving.
    After spending over 1000+ hours on drawing photographic figures, learning anatomy, and copying Bridgman (did over 650+ of his drawings at some point), I don't use guidelines. I can see a complex foreshortened pose and just draw it. You figure out shortcuts and techniques like measuring angles, using negative space, and an understanding of the human form in different poses/angles from doing so many reps. Nowhere near people like Kim Jung Gi and I understand that I've only just started in figure drawing and know what I don't know. I've got thousands of more hours for me to say I'm somewhat competent.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  9 днів тому +1

      That's really interesting! I only really feel like I am just starting to see things in the way you describe, and I love hearing from more experienced artists such as yourself because it gives me new ideas!
      I am gradually working on colour and I think you are correct in that it's better to work physically. The digital palette is just too large and mixing colours does not seem as intuitive to me. I am sure there are ways to make it behave like real paint though.
      A lot of people have mentioned that approaching more finished art pieces is something essential to add to the mix, so I'll work on that too.
      I haven't done anywhere near that amount of time in drawing figures yet but I can understand how the intuition you speak of, and having a short hand approach, will be the eventual thing I experience too! I hope 😅
      Thanks so much for sharing your experiences with me! 💖

    • @nycsim-r8t
      @nycsim-r8t 8 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs Completely agree about finished pieces. You will get more mileage out of your own finished artwork than any practice whether it is deliberate or not. One of the most important things to develop is your own personal workflow, especially with coloring and rendering. Do you want a more looser and painterly approach or a more systematic approach which includes flatting and a more iterative rendering process using layers, clipping masks, and blending modes? Both approaches are great and there is no correct way. In fact, you should be familiar with both. One is traditional and the other is more digital. However, you will likely learn color faster if you use digital as you can do more experimentation and practice like color studies than with traditional.

  • @jasperhatdichlieb4593
    @jasperhatdichlieb4593 21 день тому

    Very well put together and your efforts adhame me lol. Been drawing since ever but the advantage of an organised workflow is very obvious when watching this. Thank you for this great resource and keep it going!
    Also, when creating your own designs the problem (at least for me) most often is that I don’t have any ideas on what to design. Once I have an idea or inspiration it kind of goes by itself!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому

      Thanks for your kind words! I personally feel I work much better with a game plan, especially for a subject as vast as art.
      That's really good of you share your experience. I definitely lack ideas! A few people have mentioned the use of prompts or words to come up with a design direction, so I might give that a try.
      Thanks for watching! 💗

    • @jasperhatdichlieb4593
      @jasperhatdichlieb4593 19 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs I personally tried the 100 days challenge multiple times and tend to look for prompts during uncreative periods, but really I feel like it doesn’t help a lot. Most of the time I start searching for a prompt that really catches me until I don’t wanna draw no more lol, maby its a different story for you though, surely give it a try!

  • @M00nlord
    @M00nlord 25 днів тому

    Wooh! Another video. Great stuff as always

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  15 днів тому +1

      🥰 thanks so much for following along! I really appreciate your support ✨️

  • @j.0x00n4
    @j.0x00n4 25 днів тому +5

    Hey mate, been seeing your video's pop up in my feed recently, if you really want to boost your drawing skills you should make an "Écorché" anatomical sculpture, half as a skeleton, the other half as muscles under the skin. It's genuinely worth 100's if not a thousand hours worth of drawing -- and yes, I do mean that making a sculpture is worth hundreds of hours -- all for a lot less.

    • @Selrisitai
      @Selrisitai 24 дні тому

      And how long does it take to make, though?

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  15 днів тому +2

      Thanks for this suggestion! That's similar to something I was planning on playing with in the future so I might give it a go.
      It makes sense that spending time actually viewing something and creating it in real three-dimensional reality would help you see and understand how everything fits together. Like taking apart a car engine.

  • @aberwood
    @aberwood 25 днів тому +3

    How much time (if any) have you spend focusing on long single image sessions?
    I've heard at the top art schools they'll do week long drawathons and the students always say they're miserable but supercharge their learning. RISD is a place thats famous for it.
    I don't know much about art, but I know as a musician the top guys always talk about how their practice is long gruelling and focused on 1 section of a song, rather than constant switching (even before they became 'pro')
    I'd be interested to see if theres research comparing pure quick sketch vs pure long sessions vs a 50/50 combo.

    • @JH-pe3ro
      @JH-pe3ro 24 дні тому +1

      There is some correlation found in sports science: the two forms of practice that are generally recommended are heavily isolated methods(e.g. repetitions of free throws or martial arts techniques) and "game situations" that are playing the actual sport or extremely close approximations. Longer time spent on a single image effectively has an isolating effect, since it forces more reviews of your previous work and new observations.
      I mostly use exercises out of Nicolaides when I study, and one of the things he encourages is to use a slower pace - to add intensity until you can spend hours on one contour drawing. Sometimes I will use a metronome to remind myself to stop after completing a line and think before continuing. I've also done master studies by following along with a video recording at the master's pace and with their motions, which produces a similar kind of intensity.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому +1

      Pretty much what the other person who replied commented!
      I only do longer form studies periodically, and treat them more like a sports match where I can try and apply all the things I have studied then do a post mortem and see what went wrong and what worked well. I might spend a few hours on these max at least for now but many have said the high level illustrators like James Jean might spend 100 hours on a single painting.
      I spend just 1 hour a day studying. The area of study is dictated by the algorithm, which should schedule the thing my brain is beginning to forget a little. When I train this way I do 30 minutes, a 10 minute break, and then 30 minutes. I try to favour quantity somewhat over quality here. If I am working on rendering values and shading in cubes, I don't mind too much uf the perspective is a little off as I'm not working that. They aren't perfect artworks, more like little experiments to play with a concept and push it along.
      The idea is to train little and often, and there is some evidence to suggest that this is better than marathon sessions, but it's not specifically been tested for art. I've never drawn for 8 hours in my life.
      One of my next videos will talk more about this but all learning is actually a biological process called myelineation, and it works a little like building muscle. Lift weights for 8 hours straight and you achieve nothing. Do 30 minutes for 16 days and you get better results.
      I think a lot the big art schools would make even better students if they learned how the brain actually works!
      The only reason I can think they get students to do things like that is that you are there for say 3 years, and so have to cram a lot in.
      The books I originally read that opened my eyes to this sort of stuff are by Barbara Oakley, so you can always check those out. Tim Ferriss' stuff is a bit more practical, but doesn't cover the reason any of it works neurologically. It's more about 'hacking' skill acquisition to speed up learning.
      Thanks for sharing the info on how musicians learn. That's very interesting to me. I have a friend who is a professional pianist and he says he actually always took the little and often approach, but those smaller training sessions were hyper focused. That's why I only train for 30 mins at a time. I really really concentrate!
      I think that they all work, but I would to see more research myself to see if one really is far better than the other, or if it's a personal choice thing!
      Thanks for watching and commenting 💖 I really enjoy speaking with others who are curious about this stuff.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому

      This is amazing 👏 thank you so much for commenting

    • @aberwood
      @aberwood 21 день тому

      @@10.000hrs Its a great group of people you're gathering with these videos. I believe that much like bodybuilding there is a volume / intensity relationship that explains why two different modalities of learning seem to result in faster uptake.
      In lifting you have high volume / high frequency / lower intensity or Low volume / low frequency / high intensity. Much like bodybuilding the actual growth/connections happen in the 'rest' period if i remember my science of Myelin right. Good rest and bad practice might actually yields better results than good practice and bad rest.
      That would be interesting to explore, its atleast half the equation after all!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому +1

      ​@aberwood Yes! I do also play with other variables I have not discussed yet in the videos such as sleep, and how close I sleep after I practice. Diet is another. Cardio yielded some good results weirdly, and I recently started taking Creatine. I haven't ever tried experimenting with actual nootropics because I would only take chemicals that have a decent body of research behind them already, but there are a lot of different levers to try and pull that most traditional artists would never even consider.

  • @nikitamakarov1077
    @nikitamakarov1077 25 днів тому

    Thank you, amazing as usual!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому

      No problem! Thank you for watching! 💕

  • @DennisCNolasco
    @DennisCNolasco 24 дні тому

    Great update my friend! Fude brush pens take years to master. I started using them years ago when I first heard about KJG. It's definitely a very frustrating tool to learn. I've only started getting good with them recently after much practice. At the beginning I practiced them every day, but there have been long stretches when I didn't use them. Now I use them a couple times a week to at least maintain my skill level. You can lose a lot of the finesse by being out of practice.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому +1

      Thanks for the advice! I definitely do not use them enough and still find them quite intimidating 😅 it's impressive that you have figured them out. I hope your studies are going well and that everything is good in your life 💗

    • @DennisCNolasco
      @DennisCNolasco 19 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs thanks! I’ve been doing a picture book course and am working on completing the storyboard/dummy. Looking forward to the Discord!

  • @apukiru
    @apukiru 25 днів тому +2

    How do you manage your time and energy if you have a full-time job? Great video by the way!

    • @Selrisitai
      @Selrisitai 24 дні тому +1

      I think he said he only draws 3 hours a week.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  24 дні тому +5

      Haha I'm surprised nobody has asked this sooner 😆 honestly it's sometimes tough. My job actually currently involves waking up at 4.30am, and is essentially manual labour. I work in construction on movie and tv sets and sometimes have to do very long days far from home. I also usually work 6 and sometimes 7 days a week.
      When I get home, I draw for 30 mins, then take a small break, eat, etc. I then draw for another 30 mins which I record to make that day's video. Some days I am very tired and feel the work does suffer, as a large part of this sort of learning is actually having enough sleep etc to make your brain optimised for learning.
      I can manage the hour a day training, but the thing that suffers more is making the longer videos. I can only do that for a small window each weekend, and they can take many hours to produce 🫠
      But if you want something you find a way to make it work! I organize my time using Google Calendar, to make a big to do list. I can then move the items around and arrange them into a block of things I will do on Sunday afternoon, for example.
      I also time myself. So if I want to make a video, I will literally set my phone to countdown say 2 hours, and when that alarm sounds, I stop and go do something else. This seems to activate Parkinsons Law, which makes you more innovative and productive in the time you allow yourself to do a set task.
      Compare this to just sitting down to work with no plan, where you might get distracted, or work for 6 hours and produce the same work you could probably have done in 2 if you focused.

    • @apukiru
      @apukiru 24 дні тому +1

      @@10.000hrs Haha yes! I was trying to look through your past videos and comments to find out. But Ahhh, Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to share your process in detail! Despite your life and work circumstances, you persevere and stay disciplined. I find really amazing and inspiring. "But if you want something you find a way to make it work!" That is so true.
      Hearing about your work-life situation gave me a different perspective on managing my own time and how I have been taking my free time for granted. I used to think that I needed the perfect day, setup, and time of the day to practice, but now I realize that I was making up excuses to avoid feeling uncomfortable.
      I look forward to your future content! I know it takes time given your circumstances and how long it takes to produce these great videos, so please take all the time you need.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  23 дні тому +3

      @@apukiru Thank you friend 💕 that means a lot to me and motivates me to continue

    • @ookiiyoo
      @ookiiyoo 11 днів тому

      @@10.000hrsthis context inspires me so much more knowing you and I have a similar work situation and with realistic objectives and time spent per day, you have still seen that much growth! Amazing, man!

  • @korkad_
    @korkad_ День тому

    Expected to hear Bridgmans when you mentioned wedging in anatomy but it didnt come up 😅

  • @riveraluciano
    @riveraluciano 25 днів тому +1

    I bought the books How to Draw and How to Render, and realized that, specially when it comes to perspective, I already had a good base. Sadly, the author goes way deep into perspective, then quickly transitions to specific subject matters, like drawing cars or planes, which is not something I'm interested in at all.
    How to Render was a bit better for me in terms of how to handle different materials, light projection, reflection and refraction, but the moment it goes into more specific details like rendering specific materials or more complex shapes, it goes straight to 3D modelling which to me kind of defeats the purpose, so I am mostly using some of his work as reference and switching up the materials and lighting as I go.
    In the meantime I keep on creating stuff of my own in my small sketchbook, mostly with micron pens, lots of cross hatching, mixing pen and pencil and now I would like to try some engraving. As soon as I get my tablet though I'll get into colouring, which is something I've dreaded since I started drawing like 20 years ago.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому +1

      Yeah it is very vehicle focused. I don't really practice those section at the moment as much as the fundamentals. Those fundamentals are truly excellent though, and are the main way I would say I have improved, granted that there are many sources to learn them from.
      Sounds like you have a good grasp on what you want to achieve, and experiment and play with things, which is honestly all I do.
      I was very intimidated by learning to paint too 😅 it helped me to remind myself that mistakes are the essence of learning, and so I just started simple and gradually increased the complexity. I still have a LOT to cover, but I really enjoy learning each new concept and trying to add them on top of what I already know.
      Good luck with it all! I am sure you'll get to grips with colouring quickly!

    • @riveraluciano
      @riveraluciano 22 дні тому

      @@10.000hrs Cheers!!
      Yeah, I have been drawing since I was a child, but mostly just out of trying things around with pens and technical pencils, with portraits coming much easier than I expected.
      So now I'm trying really hard to diversify both in terms of technique and colours, but I'm sure you understand that it feels like you're drawing for the first time, and colours just don't mix exactly how you want them. It's an exercise in frustration and patience.
      I'll of course keep on trying now that I've rediscovered my passion for drawing (besides using it as an extension for photography).
      It's always nice seeing someone having a pragmatic approach to art while still implementing and discovering their style.
      Rock on!

  • @elvenrat
    @elvenrat 15 днів тому

    Hey, your videos are awesome and I love following your journey. I have a question: do you implement active recall into your training?
    Like drawing the same thing again but without the reference and than comparing and analyzing the two at the end?

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  15 днів тому

      It depends. I do this when first learning something like say a piece of anatomy. I will try and study it, redraw it, and compare, but I try to draw more imagined angles generally.
      That means if I have a reference of a body part or figure, I try and start by using that as a reference to study but draw the thing from a different viewpoint.
      I then move into drawing the thing from various viewpoints, purely from imagination. At that point I only glance at the references occasionally to see what is going wrong.
      This takes a few study sessions to build up to.
      The problem I find with, say, looking at a face, then trying to draw the same face from memory, is that I view everything more flat, and therefore don't really consider things like perspective or thinking about the subject in three dimensions.
      When you deliberately draw something from a new angle or viewpoint, you are forced to turn and rotate the subject in your mind, and to me that's the real bit that makes a difference in understanding the form of something, and leads to more convincing drawings.
      All are good practice, but I think the more advanced stuff should be practiced more when you feel ready for it!
      Thanks for watching! ❤️✨️

  • @bingsoo8039
    @bingsoo8039 8 днів тому

    I’m unaware of your mic setup but I might recommend getting something to help reduce the plosives for your voiceovers. The “s” sounds in particular come out very harsh when I watch on my phone. But loving the content regardless!!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      Oh! Thanks for letting me know! I kind of just wing it really haha but I do have a pretty decent mic. I'll try and play around and see if I can get the audio quality to improve for future videos! 💕

  • @riylart
    @riylart 14 днів тому

    Very nice video 👏

  • @4rartist
    @4rartist 23 дні тому

    This might help with shading and lighting someone taught me to think of the main light source as its on camera everything it sees is what's in the light. This might also help those wondering why should you draw the same pose/object from different angles

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  15 днів тому +1

      Awesome! That is actually really useful as I will likely spend some more time rendering soon and so will have to consider things like this too!
      Thanks for sharing your knowledge! ❤️

  • @DeuxCanards
    @DeuxCanards 24 дні тому

    As a digital painter, I want to ask how long setting up and putting away your gouache paintings took you.
    I’m not used to it, but there’s a mental barrier for me when it comes to cleaning stuff up. With a tablet, I can just pop a program up and start.
    Your videos are excellent, as it summarizes a lot of points in learning fundamentals.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому

      Thank you! I'm glad you found the video useful.
      The set up time for gouache is minimal really. I have a little pot I fill with water and a ceramic palette. I also have some cotton rags or old t shirts nearby to wipe the brush whenever I wash it.
      I simply put a couple of blobs of colour onto the pallete and start work.
      I actually experienced the same thing you describe, so I have tried to make the setup time as fast as possible.
      The clean up takes a little longer but it's still only about 5 minutes, as gouache is very easy to wash out of brushes.
      I think that on reality the apprehension that I felt was more for the actual painting than the set up. Like I was scared because I knew I was going to make mistakes. By also keeping the exercises I did as simple as possible, this fear quickly went away and I actually looked forward to painting!
      At this point, the set up and clean up don't even bother me anymore. I just enjoy the experience 💗

  • @drpg11
    @drpg11 25 днів тому +1

    Designing characters is easier when you have a prompt. Someone gives you a description of a character, customer, etc. then you’ll do research based off the description. Doing research allows you to gather references that you feel best captures the description. You’ll do some editing of the references and what you have left over will be the design

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  23 дні тому

      That's actually a really good point that I hadn't really considered. A lot of the work I aspire to create pieces similar to were likely produced under exactly those conditions.
      That being said, I am also fascinated by artists like Kim Jung Gi who could reproduce designs and details both from memory and original designs from imagination at will.
      I suppose he just did all the research over many years and stored it all in his head 🫠 thanks for bringing this up. I might try working with prompts.

    • @drpg11
      @drpg11 22 дні тому

      If you look closely at Kim Jung Gi’s doodles, a lot of them are military themed and he was in the military so it makes sense to him because I’m sure hes looked at and studied everything he draws in those “stream” of consciousness drawing sessions. Some other advice I would give is master studies and Fan art from your own idea. Mix and match styles of artists that you like and focus in on the attributes that you like about them

  • @pieperson444
    @pieperson444 23 дні тому

    Yo, real cool video. So, I was "recently" (a few months ago) able to start drawing without using any construction or having to go back and redraw sections of my drawing, but there's a catch.
    I use a technique from the anime "Jujutsu Kaisen" as a tool for understanding what happened; called the "black flash". When a fighter focuses and has enough mastery over their magic, they can land a strike and infuse it with magic with perfect timing so that a cascading impact causes a distortion in space, amplifying the damage exponentially and causing black sparks to appear. The after-effects puts the fighter in the zone, allowing them to pull off superhuman feats of precision and technique. Furthermore, the fighter's understanding of magic deepens, allowing them to create new, never-seen-before techniques.
    This fictional technique is based off of a real life counterpart, flow state, which many top performers across many fields weaponize to increase their output. When I tried to use flow state, I had to engineer my whole day around trying to hit it, and it took a few hours, but when I did, I hit a "black flash" of my own. I felt like I made a month's progress in a single day, and I was suddenly able to "see" like a pro. The lines I drew on the shoulder told me where to place the elbow, the lines on the elbow told me how to angle the sleeves. Each line I placed showed me where to place the next.
    Based on video lectures I watched later of such pros drawing without construction, I believe they were doing the same thing. They're just so experienced that they can do this even without flow state. I haven't been able to hit that level of flow state since, but now I feel like I have awakened to understandings about perspective and form that I didn't have before. I have even gone back to rewatch lectures that I saw before I hit my "black flash", and the experience was completely different.
    I highly recommend setting a day aside where you have no extra decisions to make: all meals prepped in advance, no one else to bother you. Then, for that one day, do nothing but draw, sleep, and maybe go on a walk or two. Keep drawing sessions to 2 or 3 hours and get up from your desk at least every half an hour. The growth you will experience in that one day could dwarf a hundred hours.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  15 днів тому

      Wow that sounds cool! I haven't trued anything with flow states yet but have heard of them. I generally only have to draw for 1 hour a day at the moment, but perhaps in the future I'll get a spare day to try something like this.
      I'll try and investigate them more and see what I can come up with.
      Thanks for taking the time to share what you learned! ❤️✨️

  • @jonathanlochridge9462
    @jonathanlochridge9462 15 днів тому

    If you want to have a light in value blue, you essentially have to desaturate it, Or shift the hue to Cyan.
    Most vibrant "light blues" are actually a Cyan hue.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      Oh! I haven't tried that yet but I think I get it! I'll give it a try next time. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me ☺️

    • @jonathanlochridge9462
      @jonathanlochridge9462 7 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs Yeah, every hue and/or pigment.
      has a certain brightness where it is more intense and saturated.
      (There are in some rare cases multiple pigments at a very similar hue which have a different point where they are most saturated.)
      But technically there is a maximum amount of saturation that is visible to the eye for each particular hue, since color for humans is like a 3d blob that isn't even.
      There are some rules of thumb you can get when you look into it, but the amount of nuance in that is astounding.
      For each individual hue, you get a shade of the levels of brightness you can hit and how that effects the saturation.
      When your HSV slider on your computer is adjusted but you fix saturation at 100, and your hue at the value you want, then
      100 saturation reflects the maximum that hue can be saturated in your encoding setup for that hue and brightness.
      And that is without even getting into how the eye can distinguish slight changes in hue, value, saturation, etc.
      That isn't even. Like some hues are easier to tell appart when dark than others. (Generally ones that are more saturated.)
      But even with semi-desaturated colors
      Another piece of trivia is that pure purple/violet on the color wheel is an illusion created.
      Since due to the way light works, the most "red" red that we can see, and the most low frequency violet that we can see are literally the furthest apart that two colors can be, But most purples have both violet and red in them. And so there are a lot of shades our brain constructs that don't actually physically exist as a "pure" color.
      One thing I don't understand is why a lot of reds have their strongest/most saturated brightness where it's darker. And part of me wonders if that is a little bit of blue being reflected in those wavelengths for that hue as well?
      Of course even if you look at "pure" colors, those wouldn't actually be the most intense colors in a lot of cases in subtractive mediums, since reflecting more hues within moderation would make it glow more and be brighter, And so in some cases only taking a single narrow frequency band would make the color too dark for use to read it as anything other than a black. (except maybe when placed in contrast to another color.)
      And there are a lot of specific wavelengths that get read as mixture and can be reproduced in our vision even if not a single wave is that length.
      Since our eye is adding signals from multiple types of receptors.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      That's amazing! There is so much to learn and use but I think it's all part of the fun! You know a lot about colour, and I appreciate you sharing what your knowledge with me!
      Hopefully as I get more into worming with colours I can experiment with some of the things you have mentioned here.
      I guess all colour is just light in the end.

  • @Selrisitai
    @Selrisitai 25 днів тому

    Yes! I knew you would upload a video just because I asked!

  • @TehLude
    @TehLude 25 днів тому

    I wish I could work with your amount of focus and structure. I bought one of the books you recommended in your last video and started reading it and was like "guh, oh no, a college textbook." and have not been able to work my way through it. Actually I haven't been able to make myself draw much in general since the end of June.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому +1

      It can be hard at times. Some of the books can be a little daunting, but a part of how I manage I think is the way I break things down.
      I spend only 1 hour a day learning which is manageable for most people. I only work in a single concept, and I don't progress or add a new concept until I really feel like I understand the current one. That might mean working from a single page in the book for a while, but once you have it down, it's like riding a bike.
      Sometimes that takes just a few sessions. Some I am still experimenting with and reviewing many times a month. Some I don't think you ever master and they just become these ongoing experiments and constant sources of intrigue and curiosity.
      I do think drawing should always be fun, and I do also think that all people learn slightly differently. I believe the most progress is made when you understand how you personally learn and retain information, and that means playing with how long you study for, how often, whether books work better for you, or videos, or an online course etc.
      Find the fun, find what gives you the best results, and it becomes far easier to motivate yourself to do things like study, work out, draw, talk to new people, or whatever else you want from life 💖

  • @mouzaalee2131
    @mouzaalee2131 16 днів тому

    ihave been going with you for somethime now and this is soooooo fun to do ,
    just undresding how to learn things in very optimal way is something a been doing for my day to day life and its worked out so well in life
    I want to add something a lot of artist don't really do , keeping themself health with that amount of work ad how to strengthen muscles we use to draw and sit
    I would love to see you want to add this thing to the journey we are taking

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  11 днів тому

      Thank you my friend, it really is great to take charge of how you learn and really set a course for developing high level skill.
      I haven't done much specifically regarding muscles, but I try and keep in shape anyway. There is an interesting experiment I did with cardio that I want to make a video about at some point.
      I appreciate you watching ❤️
      Hopefully I can keep producing content you enjoy! I hope to have another video out in September, depending on my job 😅

    • @mouzaalee2131
      @mouzaalee2131 8 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs
      Some big manga have a lot of back pain, yes there work time is crime tbh
      But some artist or anyone who work setting slot they lack the muscles awareness in there lower back and hips how that connect to so many people to have bad habits of living with

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      Yeah those artists work some crazy hours 😅 I only draw for 1 hour a day right now, so maybe that's why I haven't considered my body as much. Important thing to bear in mind though!

  • @alumshaman
    @alumshaman 17 днів тому

    Also, you can find interesting about drawing and design in Koos Eiseen's books.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  16 днів тому +1

      Thanks for sharing! I'll look at those too! 💓

  • @jonathanlochridge9462
    @jonathanlochridge9462 15 днів тому

    have you considered trying to draw and rotate insects?
    Since they don't have a skeleton, and have an exo-skeleton instead. They have very organic forms that are easier to understand. But still have a lot of detail.
    And much easier to draw and have them look good than animals.
    And you also get a really interesting surface texture too.
    Although, if you haven't done texture studies before, then taking some time to practice doing that first makes it easier to make great looking insects.
    You can of course make the forms without doing the texture first though.
    When it comes to the details of the anatomy, I actually recently got a bunch of cheap wax. 10 lbs for 30$ and I am going to use it to make an anatomical model. Where I build the human form, first the skeleton then muscle by muscle. So I get a sculpture of the human form without skin. Wax is also way easier to work than clay, (In addition to being way cheaper.)
    I heard a lot of art schools have all their students do that in their first or second semester. So I figured it is worth a try and should help me understand anatomy better.
    theioretically, you could do something similar by making a life-size head model with the muscles and such being built up, but that seems more difficult.
    I am debating about whether to do 1/6, 1/4, or 1/3 scale though.
    (1/6 is like 10 in. tall or so., 1/4 is like 1.5 feet or so, and 1/3 should be like a bit less than 2 feet tall. So the tallest I could easily fit and work with on a desk.)
    One great way to get better at design early on, is to use multiple references for the same work.
    Take 2-3 different objects and imagine how they could be combined into something new.
    Or try to think of alternative ways an object could be used.
    If you have done a bit of still life, then trying to think about what if a random object was placed outside and converted into a house for tiny people or bugs?
    Or for something bigger, what if it was buried by sand or covered in vines?
    Making a human figure and adding animal features can also be kind of creative. (While sticking to basic human anatomy.)

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      Thanks for raising some really good points here!
      I have never tried drawing bugs but it does sort of lean towards some other experiment I want to run soon...
      Textures I have never really tried yet but recently started learning it with gouache, which involves using things like the paper type to your advantage. It seems like a very useful skill to have so I'm looking forward to experimenting with it more.
      The sculpting thing has been mentioned by a few people and it sounds like a good idea, so I might give it a go at some point.
      You have some really cool ideas and it sounds like you understand a lot so thanks for sharing what you have learned with me ❤️

    • @jonathanlochridge9462
      @jonathanlochridge9462 7 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs Well if you want to start with learning implied texture, I would recomend starting with ink. then moving to something smoother.
      Implied texture if effectively form on a micro scale which is ontop of a bigger form.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      Thanks! I'll see if I can give that a go!

  • @HeyQuinton
    @HeyQuinton 14 днів тому

    Ive been following for a while - question for you - how did you know where to begin and what to practice ona day to day to keep improving? Looking to build a weorkback schedule and study schedule but don't even know what is the most impactful things to start practising

    • @Sketch_Golem
      @Sketch_Golem 13 днів тому

      Check out his videos “skill pillars” and “art goals”. He lays out the most likely fundamental abilities and how he checks progress continuously.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  11 днів тому

      Hi! That's a good question.
      I could already copy things, but couldn't paint or really draw from imagination.
      This led me to pretty much deconstruct the field of art like Tim Ferriss does for new skills he wants to learn. That is where the skill pillars come from.
      They represent the most general, abstracted, fundamental ideas in all of art. Really any artistic endeavour will involve using them, so I spend all of my time there.
      What I mean by that is if you see me drawing heads, and learning anatomy, I am still always thinking about it as form and perspective. Drawing boxes. If I paint a landscape or portrait in greyscale, I don't care about the subject and what it is, I care about the values I am using and their placement. Hopefully that makes sense. Trees and faces are just different shades of grey to me.
      Later on, you can get more specific and think more about what makes something look like a tree or a face, and begin deep diving into things like anatomy.
      As for how I know what to study, this is just informed by my weaknesses. If you are a total beginner, you might be drawing anime and not be happy woth the results, so you go study more anime qhen actually the problem is you have no understanding of perspective. The problem usually means abstracting, zooming out, and considering what more general fundamental thing you are failing at.
      As an example atm I have trouble drawing heads from below and above without drawing in a faint box first. This is either an issue with my knowledge of head anatomy, or an issue with my ability to correctly deploy my perspective skills with no construction lines, like KJG could.
      So I an currently working on both of those.
      What you work on will be personal to you, and requires you to be honest with yourself about what you are actually bad at, and to run little experiments all the time to try different things and see if you can find the best way to improve at something.
      Finally, try not to take on too much at once. There are lots of things I am bad at and want to improve on, but using anki as a scheduler means I only have a few problems to work on at a time, and I can only deal with 1 thing a day.
      This focuses you, and ensures you dk not overwhelm yourself trying to spin too many plates at once.
      Hopefully that helps a little but if there's anything else I can assist you with please let me know! ✨️

  • @xNorboy
    @xNorboy 22 дні тому

    this is so cool dude, do you have any program or something to count the hours you draw every day or something? I want to know about this please

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому

      I don't have a program to count the days, but I do have a program that tells me what to work on each day.
      It's called Anki, and it uses spaced repetition to get me studying a specific thing within the world of art that my brain needs a refresh on that day.
      If we don't use all the pieces of knowledge in our heads regularly, they fade and weaken. This program prevents that from happening and can be used for all sorts of things like foreign languages.

  • @petervargas483
    @petervargas483 25 днів тому

    Great video. Very entertaining and informative. Can you tell us what you used to do when you didn’t practice art correctly,so that we know if we are doing that.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому

      Yes! I spent years copying anime, and could never draw it from imagination. So I decided to learn anatomy by copying it from books. I got really good at copying anatomy... but couldn't draw it from imagination without my references. Meanwhile I see these crazy artists like KJG drawing things from their head. I hadn't studied the basics of how to actually draw. Things like perspective, or an appreciation of value, line weight, or composition.
      If you just want to draw portraits from reference, then copying without ever learning things like perspective is fine. It depends on what you want from art.
      I want to be able to create the images I see in my head, and to do that I need a very solid understanding of things like perspective.
      In more practical terms, I experiment with different ways of studying art and have found thay for me personally I male faster skill progression when I study little and often, like for 1 hour a day.
      There is some evidence to suggest this is better than dumping all your energy into an 8 hour paintathon to try and brute force skill development, like most artists do.
      By experimenting with things and being aware of what works for you, you can develop a system that works for you to make yourself learn in the most effective way possible.
      So it's a case of knowing what you want, figuring out what you need to study, and then studying it in the most effective way possible (and continually striving to make that even more effective)!
      Thanks for watching 💕

    • @petervargas483
      @petervargas483 21 день тому

      @@10.000hrs thank u

  • @basicinformation87
    @basicinformation87 23 дні тому

    I love to see the still frame from Stranger Things season 3.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому +1

      Haha yeah! I like that show. Thought it was an interesting choice of shot from a storytelling perspective.

  • @art7714
    @art7714 15 днів тому +2

    acryl gouache is not gouache, it's rebranded acrylic paint

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  7 днів тому

      😅 oh I see. I found it to be more similar in consistency to gouache but for sure it behaves way more like acrylic.

  • @betweenthepanels9145
    @betweenthepanels9145 25 днів тому

    I struggle to place the body inside a box. Would you do a very basic step by step walkthrough of that idea?

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  23 дні тому +1

      To be honest, I learned it from the Tom Fox book, but to be able to do it you have to be able to draw boxes from any angle first, and I learned that from the Scott Robertson book.
      I will be putting out some more tutorial type content in the future hopefully but it probably won't be for a little while.
      To help you though, and good first step is to copy a figure, or even paste one into Photoshop etc, and draw the box around it. This will help you see the perspective the figure is in. I would start by trying to draw the square or rectangle shape the feet on the floor touch. Some references also have the figure on a box which helps even more.
      After a while you develop the intuitive ability to just understand the box and vanishing lines on and around the figure, and can draw the box first, then place the figure inside.
      It also helps to be able to see parts like the torso and head as boxes like I demonstrate in the video. Then you are just drawing boxes in a box! Everything is boxes if you break them down.

    • @betweenthepanels9145
      @betweenthepanels9145 23 дні тому

      @@10.000hrs I appreciate you taking the time. Thank you.

  • @spikemonster7857
    @spikemonster7857 25 днів тому

    WHOO HOO!!! YEAH!

  • @vishtem33
    @vishtem33 19 днів тому

    15:40 : As someone who has worked a lot on memory drawing and drawing from imagination, I am occasionally puzzled when I see people talking about 'visualizing' images before executing. I wouldn't necessarily _rule out_ the idea that KJG or Tom Fox really did/do have visual experiences immediately before the execution of the drawing. But if I am to take the wording at face value, it also seems like a doubtful assumption (examining what they say about the matter won't necessarily help. It's plain enough that talk of 'visualization' is common in the context of teaching art. Whether this is an approximate notion that is compatible with accounts like 'I just think about the different things and characteristics I want in the picture', or a literal description, is what it is difficult to tell)
    Part of the reason I say this is because I get praised for my memory drawing, by strangers, so presumably it at least looks good to them.. and.. no conscious visual experience immediately precedes the drawing. I just _make the surface like the thing that I have in mind_ (of course, it would probably be correct to observe that this is partly a function of having enough experience that the tools and materials are comfortable). As far as I can tell there is one sole visual experience I'm having: the one of looking at the paper. So .. sure, there pretty much has to be some arrangement of constructs inside my brain that enables me to do this. But I think I've made enough of an account to call into question whether that thing has to be a visual image. I certainly don't manage to notice any such thing.
    Then again, maybe it is in this case just meant as a figure of speech for 'having an idea inside your mind' (hence my confusion, I can't actually tell whether people really are making this assumption.. except when they say things like 'memory drawing is impossible for me because I have aphantasia, right?'; it's pretty clear then that they take mental visualization to be a relatively literal notion.)

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  17 днів тому +2

      That's really interesting! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! We do have someone who comments here who suffers from aphantasia and he said that if he doesn't have references then he cannot really draw! It's something I had never considered before.
      I think that the visualisation is not literal. I don't literally see the cube on the page, but I see it clearly in my head in such a way that I can draw where it goes on the paper. It's quite weird to try and describe 😩 but if I was to draw a face, then at the moment I couldn't achieve that same thing with the facial features and expression.
      They sort of just happen as I draw. I more feel them out and go with what ends up appearing. I am assuming that ad I draw more I will get better at giving characters a more specific appearance or expression.
      That's why I am so fascinated when someone like Kim Jung Gi draws a person in a crazy pose and perspective but starts with something weird like the eyebrow. It's as if he's tracing an invisible image he can see with a lot of clarity in his head, probably more in his head than on the page.
      But then again maybe he just sort of lets it just sort of happen and take whatever form it takes?

    • @vishtem33
      @vishtem33 17 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs "We do have someone who comments here who suffers from aphantasia and he said that if he doesn't have references then he cannot really draw!". I have also heard plenty of people who do claim to have visualization experiences say this kind of thing.. It's one of the things that made me wonder whether many people were taking 'visualization' literally and getting discouraged with their art as a result.
      (to be clear, it feels like I can 'think of an image' ie. have an experience that seems visual, to some noticable degree, so I wouldn't be classified as aphantasic; these experiences just don't seem, IME, particularly helpful to drawing.)
      "I don't literally see the cube on the page, but I see it clearly in my head in such a way that I can draw where it goes on the paper."
      Might be similar to me, I seem to just have intuitions about well, of course this thing must go there (because that presents it more forcefully), or of course it must be darker (because it's receding from the viewer in a non-front-lit scenario). We use 'see' in a way that's a bit too ambiguous sometimes.
      The most interesting thing about KJG to me is the relation of his way of drawing to the problem of 'feeling out' the image you mention: my observation is that to achieve a subtle, balanced image, be extremely minimal and light with your marks, cautiously emphasizing some parts of the image by *gradually* bringing in carefully controlled amounts of darker tones and blending them across the image (often necessary because otherwise the darkened part will become too eye-catching and somewhat 'separate out' from the picture).
      ...
      That kind of approach clearly leaves a lot of room for 'feeling out' the image. But working with the brush pen just kind of is like blasting away right from the start -- I don't know if you have the same experience here, but I would say as you put down heavy marks, they can draw so much attention individually that it's difficult to balance the following marks out properly with what is already there. Maybe starting with small elements like eyebrows helps to keep that under control?

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  17 днів тому

      @@vishtem33 The pens are very unforgiving, but that's actually why I use them, at least for practice. They force you to really stop and think about the mark you are about to make. I feel I have a very long way to go though before I can do what KJG does and get it reasonably accurate every time.
      I did hear him say that he makes what he considers to be a lot of mistakes, probably as a result of placing down a mark and it actually being not what he quite expected. However, he can then adjust the following marks to make everything work out and still get a decent result.
      But that suggests he feels things out on the page as be draws them.
      It's a really fascinating aspect of drawing and I think that even when we start drawing houses and stuff as kids we are using this skill, but as our brains learn more about the world around us, we have to train it more to be able to get what we understand about the form of an object to come out the end of the pen in the way we move our hand 🫠

    • @leohuxtable439
      @leohuxtable439 17 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs As a long term goal you mostly never want to stop and think anything when making marks with few exceptions.
      You mostly work with the rational/conscious side of things on a macro level, planning, analyzing and everything you still need to practice more before you can just let intuition/subconsciousness deal with it.
      The one exception where you can take some time with marks are the first marks of an object when those double as construction lines/landmarks or when you add objects and you need to think/see how they interact with previous objects.
      It's just concepts like muscle memory and related stuff. You want to clear your mind for observation, focus and/or rest. Thinking in relation to execution is just too inefficient, draining and slow.
      The lesson from "permanent" sketching tools is to build confidence, speed and indifference to mistakes that just don't matter. If you decide to build around the mistake, you get to explore another route for free.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  16 днів тому +1

      @leohuxtable439 That's a cool insight! I hope that I eventually reach a level where that's the case. I do think that the intuition aspect is the highest level skill, but it seems it has to be developed by observation. I'm still not sure exactly how it all fits together but its a fun process to explore.
      I'll try and empty my mind a bit more for future studies. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here 💗

  • @paranoidastronaut5792
    @paranoidastronaut5792 25 днів тому

    How did you learn how to draw bodies? I had an easier time learning the head with Tom fox's book but somehow the body seems to be a real struggle to me

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  21 день тому +1

      I treat the body and head as 3 boxes
      One for the head, one for the ribcage, and one for the hips/pelvis.
      I got to a point where i could draw them in the correct proportions generally, and used cylinders for the arms, legs, and sometimes the stomach inbetween the hips and ribs.
      That's how I learned to think about the entire figure in 3D. Because I now understand perspective, and boxes are pretty simple in perspective, I can rotate them and draw them from different angles to create the figure from any viewpoint.
      From there, where I am currently studying, I learn more specific anatomy to better and more realistically understand the anatomy and how it intersects and wedges together. They gradually replace, or sit on top of the boxes.
      There are other things to consider here, like the fact that both sexes have slightly different proportions, and that characters can be stylized to make them look like a Pixar film character, but I don't concern myself with those things at the moment.
      Basically boxes are your friend! ☺️

    • @paranoidastronaut5792
      @paranoidastronaut5792 20 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs Thank you so much! This was really helpful, I’ll try to work with that information in mind :)

    • @tylerturner2634
      @tylerturner2634 16 днів тому +1

      Draw draw draw draw draw hours weeks days just draw draw been on my anatomy journey for 4 years and it went by in a flash iv learned a tremendous amount boxes where definitely my friend practice your shapes , best advice iv ever gotten when when i was young from an artist who told me to draw shapes all of them all 3d 2d , draw from life constantly i mean constantly real life perspective can train your eye trust me i looked past this advice in my younger years now i know why it’s so important and you only notice when you start drawling from life , meaning DRAW WHAT YOU SEEE mesure mesure messure everything is made of straight lines and formes and basic shapes
      Practice drawling silhouettes gesture drawling, take your time this is a life long journey and as painfully as it can be is well worth every last minute

  • @thedarkwolf5637
    @thedarkwolf5637 25 днів тому

    the hips example for the boxes is my exact problem for some reason i cant draw the hips straight from imagination and i find myself scambling even with the boxes

    • @thedarkwolf5637
      @thedarkwolf5637 25 днів тому

      and yes discord update cant wait till its up

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому

      It's a really complex part of the body, and it moves in a multitude of ways, and it's dimensions and silhouette are different for both sexes. For me it's how the legs join into it 🫠 but hopefully work more direct study of that region we'll get there. Thanks for watching! 💖

  • @jarnohimself
    @jarnohimself 25 днів тому

    Oh man i feel like my approach to learning drawing sucks compared to yours.. for me to finish a drawing usually takes me many days.. and then i watch another hour of info and then i attempt another exercise provided by my course.. i feel like you are learning so much more and so much faster tho.. im not sure if true or not but yeah..

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому

      It might seem that way but actually this is probably quite a slow process in terms of circulating new information. What it does though is make the cumulative pieces of knowledge stick, and I believe I become able to use them in my work reflexively faster.
      That also makes you have to really pick the next thing to study. I have very limited time to study each day so it suits me. It's not for everyone though.
      I don't think there's anything wrong with spending a long time on a piece, and many have recommended me to do the same, but I produce such pieces only periodically at the moment.
      For study, I prefer quantity, and would rather produce studies of between 30 and 60 minutes generally to get me doing the thing, figuring out the errors, trying again, more errors, refine it, repeat every study session. I don't care if they are perfect pieces of art or not and would never show then anybody if not for this channel/ experiment.
      Some things I have tried recently like drawing portraits are really very hard to do inside of 1 hour, and so there are some things that do just require more time to create.
      The best thing to do is just play around with different ways of learning, to see how you personally best retain information. Might be that doing courses as you currently are is actually really good for you personally! 💖 thanks for watching and good luck with all of your studies

    • @jarnohimself
      @jarnohimself 22 дні тому

      @@10.000hrs yea i shouldnt be so hard on myself, i think im still doing great and just need to give myself plenty of time.. i also cant study more than around 1/2 hours per day currently.

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  22 дні тому

      For sure! Just squeeze all you can out that half hour ✨️

  • @---------M
    @---------M 22 дні тому +3

    It took bro 3 months to draw for 100 hours

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому +4

      Yeah I only do 1 hour a day, so 100 days for every 100 hours.
      I might try and draw a little more each day when I get some time off work.

    • @ookiiyoo
      @ookiiyoo 11 днів тому +2

      This comment smells like you don’t have a job

    • @---------M
      @---------M 11 днів тому

      @@ookiiyoo yup

  • @6drk6mrc6
    @6drk6mrc6 21 день тому

    I don't understand the processes about your algorithm and flashcards

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  19 днів тому +1

      Hi! I have a video that breaks down exactly what this is all about, but to save you watching it, it's a method of learning known as Spaced Repetition.
      The idea is that if you learn something, like the capital city of Denmark, you will likely forget it unless you regularly review it.
      There are computer programs like Anki that will work out what day you are likely to start forgetting this piece of mental data, and remind you of it, giving it a boost in your memory and embedding it further into your long term memory. Medical students use this to internalise the vast amounts of knowledge they must have access to, and language students use it to memorise vocabulary.
      It's never been tested for art, so that's what I am doing. The information comes from what are considered to be some of the best art books available, and then Anki tells me what to study on what day to make me a better artist, faster than someone who does not use this method.
      Or that's the theory. It's unproven, and while the results are very interesting I cannot prove that it works yet, and would like to encourage awareness of it to make others try it for themselves, and hopefully get some more research thrown at it.

    • @6drk6mrc6
      @6drk6mrc6 19 днів тому

      @@10.000hrs I have used anki for national governmental office exam in my country and for japanese but, gotta see the video you explain how you use it

  • @Selrisitai
    @Selrisitai 24 дні тому

    Wait, three hours a week? That means it takes you almost a year to draw each 100 hours, right?
    Does that mean we're only getting one video a year?!?!

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  24 дні тому +1

      Sorry, I probably explained that part badly. I draw for 1 hour a day, so it only takes me 100 days max to get to the point where I make the next video in this series, which covers drawing and painting (despite the title)
      The cards I practice from are a mixture of painting and drawing cards, and the paint cards make up a small proportion. That means on average I paint for 3 hours a week.
      The next video in this series will be in around October/ November, but I should be able to make a couple of other videos on other things before then!
      Appreciate the support as always 💖

  • @efesdead
    @efesdead 25 днів тому

    how much do you do each session as in time lenght

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  23 дні тому +1

      I study/practice for 1 hour a day.
      Specifically I work for 30 minutes, then go do something else for 10 minutes. I then return and do abother 30 minutes which is what I record and upload as a short.
      The reason for this is that I only have limited time per day. I would probably draw more every day with more time.
      I work in 30min blocks because I really focus hard and concentrate when I draw, and 30 mins is about as long as the average person can manage this before needing break.
      There is some evidence to show that this short focused burst type work ethic provides far better results than those who spend hours studying, but it's possible that different people just resonate with different study methods.
      Play around and see what works for you!

  • @Corvusstorage
    @Corvusstorage 25 днів тому +1

    Bro if you draw more, every day and consistently, in 2 years you will be better than me.💀

    • @LastFromMars
      @LastFromMars 25 днів тому +6

      I'm pretty sure this guy is already better than you lol. No offense

    • @Corvusstorage
      @Corvusstorage 25 днів тому

      @@LastFromMarsI am drawing every day consistently for 7 years, even if i am retard my skill is not so low.

    • @Corvusstorage
      @Corvusstorage 25 днів тому +6

      ​@@LastFromMars I am at good level and i draw for almost a decade

    • @Trylowkey
      @Trylowkey 25 днів тому

      @@Corvusstoragewhere i can see your artwork?, on ur instagram only have 2 post

    • @10.000hrs
      @10.000hrs  23 дні тому

      Haha, well I am sure you can also improve just as fast 💖 thanks for the encouragement!