@@miguelnascimento2847 no it doesn't, tracking more guitars still adds width and a stereo effect. even if they were at equal levels double or quad tracked would still sound way better
Single track is tighter and more natural sounding. Multitrack gives power but looses details. IMO details are what differentiates good from great, so single track wins.
Assuming that you change the mic position and/or something about the amp between overdubs you'd just use the phase offset control on the mixing desk/DAW until it sounded really thin and weedy, then push the 'invert phase' button. If you're not doing any changes to the recording setup or you're using a plug in you will be in phase unless you have a weird issue with your signal chain, which would be addressed by doing what I stated above.
Quad-tracking is only really useful if you're blending different guitars and different tones together to completely fill the dynamic range of the guitars in the mix and get creative with panning and EQ to fully fill it. Otherwise you're really just splitting hairs, quad-tracking won't fill anymore space in this application other than making the guitar track sound louder as you can hear here clearly. It's just the double-tracked sound louder. Double-tracking will more than suffice for rhythm guitars. Quad-tracking is overkill especially in a full band mix, don't need to do it to get a good guitar sound.
definitely try to record at a lower gain setting on the amp than what you would use normally. it'll clean it up but still retain the heavy and full sound.
I'm a double track guy, with quad on heavier parts (typically with a different tone or maybe an octave lower on the 8 string). Check out my song "Carry Me Along" off of State of Being by Knives With Names, for an example.
the heaviest tone i ever got was from a thin ass zz top sounding amp model tracked 8 times left and 8 times right. gotta play it tight af but it slams.
Editing guitar tracks so they're super perfect on click/grid at some point starts to actually reduce this big stereo wall effect when you're getting too perfect for natural human playing. If this riff is aimed to be some thrash or groove metal then maybe the takes could have been played more tightly in time with each other, but if it's gonna be more into groove, doom, sludge away from tight technical metal, then that's fine as it is, we've all heard worse.
bold of you to assume I can play tight enough for quad tracking haha
That's where the fun of using duplicate tracks and offsetting them every so slightly comes into play.
@@Mickocarbomb That's where the fun of phasing comes in
@@TakenUsernameAuradiumThat's where the offsetting comes in
I still prefer multiple tracking anyway
@@ph-fi7qo there's still a billion other reasons to not use Haas effect as an alternative to what is a skill issue
@@TakenUsernameAuradium Not an issue when slightly offset stereo separation effect, panned hard left/right and even use slightly different EQ curves.
The master volumes on each recording are not adjusted to be at equal levels, so obviously the quad track will sound best because it’s the loudest.
was searching for this comment, rookie mistake I guess but it does make this experiment useless
Interesting, I think using stereo vs mono is also a factor in this
@@baplotnik yup I agree, that too.
@@miguelnascimento2847 no it doesn't, tracking more guitars still adds width and a stereo effect. even if they were at equal levels double or quad tracked would still sound way better
meanwhile billy corgan tracking 20 guitars for on songs like Mayonaise lmao
And apparently thru the eyes of Ruby has 70!
And still sounding like a single track.
That sound is unique because he put those together like that. It's really cool when artists go the extra mile.
But they dont all play the same
@@willhudson7141not at the same times though
sweet demo! Whenever I discovered double tracking guitars it changed my life lol
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Please don't, there's much to live for
@@b1gnasty69 That's the Alice in Chains song that's playing in the video lol
@@b1gnasty69 what
@@b1gnasty69 brotha we die young is the name of the song in the video
Faster we run, and we die young.
I thought the single track sounded fat... untill 🤘
Single track is tighter and more natural sounding. Multitrack gives power but looses details.
IMO details are what differentiates good from great, so single track wins.
I used 6 tracks once. It was fucking massive
If that's how that works, count me in
I double dog dare you to use 7 : )
scaryyyss on the waaaallll
Thanks for the AIC. Nice tone brother keep shreddin!
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@@ПётрПавловский-щ1х :3
Holy crap, you nailed it
The One machingun part i believe was 8 tracks. James is a beast
quad is a little overkill
Not at all, it’s helpful if you just have a quartet of Bass Guitar singer and drums
@@BOATIE141 Grateful Dead?
One by Metallica was 8 tracks
@@DrEagle1776 one by metallica also had no bass
@soupypunk-pk5ys the thing is that it overpowers the other instruments
Singe guitar and quad guitar sound great
good example of masterfully quad tracked guitars is slipknots self titled
The single sounded the best.
Ltd’s 😍😍😍
If it was a image with a Ltd, you would never had guessed it.
this is what James Hetfield referred to as "The Thickner" when it came to rhythm tracks on The Black Album.....
Didnt expect AIC
badass tone
I go quad guitars, and one mono for 5 total.
Is this Alice in Chains
Incredible demo, I'm actually interested in where you placed each guitar left and right or if you just maxed out their distance
@@Noodle-Segootal one set 100% L/R the other set 60% L/R
Scary on the wall.
Nice job man
we pass in a nonadvanced age
I think of songs from MOP or justice for all, hetfield is TOIGHT
quad ftw!
noted.
aaaand weee die young
FAAAAASTERRR WEEEE RUUNNNNNNN
I love this song too. Spoonman by Nirvana rocks!!
You forgot triple tracked
1 hardpan left, 1 hardpan right, 1 to fill the valley.
What about phase isssues bro?
Assuming that you change the mic position and/or something about the amp between overdubs you'd just use the phase offset control on the mixing desk/DAW until it sounded really thin and weedy, then push the 'invert phase' button.
If you're not doing any changes to the recording setup or you're using a plug in you will be in phase unless you have a weird issue with your signal chain, which would be addressed by doing what I stated above.
Next time make sure the gain matches on all examples.
Quad-tracking is only really useful if you're blending different guitars and different tones together to completely fill the dynamic range of the guitars in the mix and get creative with panning and EQ to fully fill it. Otherwise you're really just splitting hairs, quad-tracking won't fill anymore space in this application other than making the guitar track sound louder as you can hear here clearly. It's just the double-tracked sound louder. Double-tracking will more than suffice for rhythm guitars. Quad-tracking is overkill especially in a full band mix, don't need to do it to get a good guitar sound.
How do you manage gain in multiple guitar tracks?
definitely try to record at a lower gain setting on the amp than what you would use normally. it'll clean it up but still retain the heavy and full sound.
We die young?
more is more
Scaaarrryyyyy on the wall…… watch where you spit
I'm a double track guy, with quad on heavier parts (typically with a different tone or maybe an octave lower on the 8 string). Check out my song "Carry Me Along" off of State of Being by Knives With Names, for an example.
Sounds like bolt thrower
Alice in Chains - We die young 😉
what are the speakers and the microfone you used to record this?
@@puroossojaconero celestion vintage 30 & shure sm57
@@KD_0991 ok, thanks!
how far do you pan the guitars to each side on the quad track?
@@MedianNest 100% and 60%
@@KD_0991 sick, i think thats actually what ive been doing
Nice Mesa
How does it work? Do you copy and paste the first track or is each track a different recording?
Each track has to be a different recording, then panned to the left or right according to tastes
the heaviest tone i ever got was from a thin ass zz top sounding amp model tracked 8 times left and 8 times right. gotta play it tight af but it slams.
that's cool but PLEASE edit your tracks so it sounds in time
Sounds completely fine
Editing guitar tracks so they're super perfect on click/grid at some point starts to actually reduce this big stereo wall effect when you're getting too perfect for natural human playing. If this riff is aimed to be some thrash or groove metal then maybe the takes could have been played more tightly in time with each other, but if it's gonna be more into groove, doom, sludge away from tight technical metal, then that's fine as it is, we've all heard worse.
@@joesmee997 it doesnt. this isnt even the right rhythm for the song
Double track was good enough for Dimebag, so it’s good enough for me
The dude had the absolute thinnest guitar sound in history... Sounds like a bunch of wasps in a can
@@Mazut0 Really? Thinner than those black metal records? Have you listened to any Pantera record after Power Metal?
@@777Eliyahu Yeah black metal despises any decent production, tho old school power metal had decent tones
I liked single track, other two sounded like shit.
Hell no
Master aint good