F-15C Eagle VS F-16C Viper | Taking On The Viper | DCS | DOGFIGHT

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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  2 роки тому +13

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    • @Nicksanchez1122
      @Nicksanchez1122 2 роки тому

      Day 12: r37 vs aim 54

    • @MiddleAgedMisfit
      @MiddleAgedMisfit 2 роки тому +2

      I wanna see a total chaos fox 2 fight. 3v3/4v4 or more all loaded with high off bore missiles.

    • @spartonblue14
      @spartonblue14 2 роки тому +1

      Great video as always! Would you consider bringing back the TacView analysis at the end? It was awesome getting some more analysis into some of these fights like speeds during certain maneuvers, etc

    • @Asghaad
      @Asghaad 2 роки тому +1

      FINALLY some fighting against superior ratefighter
      also shows really well that doing guns only against superior ratefighters is pointless but guns and missiles is doable AND tense and fun to watch because both parties have a chance and plane that is inferior in rate can capitalize on mistakes.

    • @MrUNCLESAM84
      @MrUNCLESAM84 2 роки тому

      Excited to see how you're gonna take on the viper with the hornet

  • @bukhariali71
    @bukhariali71 2 роки тому +242

    That was a pretty slick move in the last round to get the kill. Deserves a standing ovation 👏 👍🏽

    • @welcomb
      @welcomb 2 роки тому

      Would love to see the tech view to understand what you mean by that

    • @icebolt0864
      @icebolt0864 2 роки тому +5

      @@welcomb You can see a third person view at 12:22 that really helps in understanding what GS did.
      My interpretation:
      The F-16 bandit expected a two circle fight and flew the two circle; in essence he set his and held his pitch and probably lost situational awareness again.
      GS, being the pro he is, was able to identify this behavior early by the bandit "not maneuvering against the enemy".
      Around that 12:23 mark, GS takes a small vertical while the bandit makes a horizontal half circle. Less then halfway up, GS reverses and inverts back towards the bandit, "cutting the circle" by coming up over and cutting through the bandit's circle.
      It's really freaking clean.

    • @retluoc
      @retluoc 2 роки тому +4

      @@icebolt0864 That's exactly right...with the 15s power he went vertical and cut the bandit off...great maneuver!
      However, if I were Charlie in Top Gun, I would have said it was risky and don't do that 😆
      I still can't wait for Top Gun Maverick.

  • @baomao7243
    @baomao7243 2 роки тому +238

    These fights now feel like pro sports - being better matters but the margin is often relatively small, so suddenly victory is also critically dependent on “he who makes the fewest mistakes.”
    I really enjoy watching these dogfights. Nicely done, GS.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  2 роки тому +46

      Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • @kiq4767
      @kiq4767 2 роки тому +6

      Oh boy! just realized we need a DCS tournament

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  2 роки тому +16

      thanks, and ya I'd love to take credit for that but the eagle is famous for flying with entire control surfaces missing lol.

    • @weasle2904
      @weasle2904 2 роки тому +4

      Fr we need to start having DCS tournament fights. I imagine using the same aircraft would be popular in order make it fair.

    • @icebolt0864
      @icebolt0864 2 роки тому

      @@davidsmith8997 The F-15 doesn't need both wings to fly!!

  • @ootachi
    @ootachi 2 роки тому +109

    This really shows how good of a pilot GS is. Outmaneuvering a Viper in an F-15 is not an easy task after the updates, yet he still manages. Lots of respect!

  • @y2kcobrar
    @y2kcobrar 2 роки тому +121

    The Viper may have it's fangs now but the Eagle isn't without it's claws!

    • @arpioisme
      @arpioisme 2 роки тому +11

      EAGLE FANG!!!

    • @phil-1115
      @phil-1115 2 роки тому

      @@arpioisme 🤣, Love Cobra Kai.

    • @Scibble_FPV
      @Scibble_FPV 2 місяці тому

      Or rather it’s talons

  • @JozMkII
    @JozMkII 2 роки тому +51

    That last kill was really cool. I liked how you knew exactly what he was going to do, and, rather than responding in kind and playing to his strengths, did something he completely didn’t expect and made him pay for his own predictability.

  • @darthgibsonlp6631
    @darthgibsonlp6631 2 роки тому +84

    I just love the Eagle. Incredible piece of kit, the definitive 4th gen fighter jet

    • @bobbyraejohnson
      @bobbyraejohnson 2 роки тому +22

      There is definitely something about the eagle that I prefer over the f16 aesthetics wise at least. I just wish they gave the eagle leading edge root extensions like the hornet.

    • @000-z8n
      @000-z8n 2 роки тому +16

      @@bobbyraejohnson Yeah, it's weird. I definitely think the F-16 looks cooler and is a more beautiful plane....but there is just something badass about the Eagle.

    • @Man0War
      @Man0War 2 роки тому +6

      @@000-z8n it’s something to do with its mixture of angles and roundness

    • @nooneyouknowhere6148
      @nooneyouknowhere6148 2 роки тому +15

      They didn't call it air superiority for nothing. It can probably still outrun most everything in the sky except the blackbird and f-22. It does go vertical faster than a saturn V rocket.

    • @Man0War
      @Man0War 2 роки тому +8

      @@nooneyouknowhere6148 speed isn’t important now but you’re definitely right about superiority. I can’t wait for the EX

  • @avramnovorra
    @avramnovorra 2 роки тому +10

    Seeing 2 aircraft meant to complement each other go against each other is always a great thing to watch, helps one understand what to do and not to do

  • @TerminaterXX564
    @TerminaterXX564 2 роки тому +17

    Love seeing you more aggressive in the Eagle, flying it the way it should be. You've definitely improved in that aircraft, and the F15 series aircraft are still fit for royalty among these 5th gen fighters.

  • @connie.shearer5210
    @connie.shearer5210 2 роки тому +13

    Your play-by-play calls and analyses really make your channel outstanding! It's better than an old Dogers fan listening to Vin Scully call a game! And your knowledge of your own plane and your bandit's plane show how you can tip the game by playing to your strengths and the bandit's weaknesses, and waiting for that one fatal mistake and being ready to capitalize on it. It's what Red Flag and Top Gun are all about. Always a great listen!!!

    • @gerlachd
      @gerlachd 2 роки тому

      Agree - very enjoyable to listen to the commentary.

  • @y-y-aa
    @y-y-aa 2 роки тому +15

    "Ejection seat won't work!" -famous last words

  • @FlyingWithSpurts
    @FlyingWithSpurts 2 роки тому +16

    Further proving that there is nothing a well flown Eagle can't bag. Nice work GS. That first 1-C fight and the last over the top were brilliant.

    • @Asghaad
      @Asghaad 2 роки тому

      with missiles yes, with gun only it would have been next to impossible to do anything even with GS behind the stick

  • @baomao7243
    @baomao7243 2 роки тому +35

    5:30 I had no idea ejection seat damage was modeled.
    Sorry, GS, tough break…

    • @sonniedae6398
      @sonniedae6398 2 роки тому +1

      It also could've been a glitch where the pilot is dead and cannot interact with the cockpit but still can see out of it. Sometimes happens in older aircraft and mods.

  • @larrylong4829
    @larrylong4829 2 роки тому +7

    Lover your vids. I'm an old Navy pilot and think your vids should be required course-work at Top Gun...for REAL! Always enjoy your performance and analysis. Well done!

  • @buffnerd9313
    @buffnerd9313 2 роки тому +5

    That last kill proves GS knows what the hell he's doing and that I could never beat him haha. Impressive.

  • @vex_mistaken
    @vex_mistaken 2 роки тому +14

    i think it would be interesting to see your set up while you're playing. just the hand movements for the techniques would be cool to see.

  • @localbod
    @localbod 2 роки тому

    "Watch this....(boom)....you gotta manoeuvre in relation to your bandit."
    Very well flown.
    Infotainment at its best.

  • @jetblast1212
    @jetblast1212 2 роки тому +5

    Hey GS, the Viper you were fighting has the markings from my old unit, the 132d FW, Iowa ANG. It's sweet to see you fight jets that I used to work on.

  • @bennettcorey4677
    @bennettcorey4677 2 роки тому +5

    I wish you would’ve done one of those cool slowmo replays with that near collision in the second fight. Something to remember in the future

  • @Tigerhawk30
    @Tigerhawk30 2 роки тому +1

    5:31 - GS: "Get a lock, get a lock!"
    Viper Pilot: "Well, if you insist..."
    I love that the Viper has a tail from the Iowa ANG, which is my home state.

  • @sanmybdbd1090
    @sanmybdbd1090 2 роки тому

    This is one of the best visually pleasing videos yet! Love the new music, you deserve every view you get. Keep it up!

  • @SPIN_89
    @SPIN_89 2 роки тому +1

    Agreed with everyone… that last kill was savage. Brain over power. Bravo 👏🏼

  • @haterbehavior4583
    @haterbehavior4583 2 роки тому +5

    We need 2 Growling Sidewinders for a good dogfight video 😂

  • @TealJosh
    @TealJosh 2 роки тому +1

    Love the bsg vibes with the soundtrack. My fav scifi show by far. Best dogfighting tracks in that show without doubt

  • @phillipkimbro7807
    @phillipkimbro7807 2 роки тому +3

    FREAKING LOVE THIS!! THAT WAS SOME TOP GUN FLYING!!!

  • @steinandreasaasland1727
    @steinandreasaasland1727 2 роки тому +2

    Would be fun to see dogfight between F-16 and F-35. Many countries have started replacing their F-16s with the new F-35. Would be awesome to see these two duke it out 😁

  • @AR_Parker
    @AR_Parker 2 роки тому

    Awesome vid. The music during the replays is killer too

  • @1Juggler6
    @1Juggler6 2 роки тому

    That high yo yo at the end there 😩 so satisfying lmao

  • @andie_pantz
    @andie_pantz 27 днів тому

    I have watched nearly all of your videos but I swear to Chuck Yeager that I still get my ass blown out of the sky every single time in the basic F-15C 1v1 BVR instant action.

  • @captainicelander3898
    @captainicelander3898 2 роки тому

    Its stupid how awsome this sim is! The fun you can have with friends is beyond everything. Loved this video Growling. Thanks so much for your contents, u the best. Take care.

  • @ahuizinga1999
    @ahuizinga1999 2 роки тому +3

    Would love to see some one on ones in the same aircraft. Would be too cool to see a level playing field

  • @doltonthibodeaux414
    @doltonthibodeaux414 2 роки тому

    Gotta be one the scariest last few moments as your plane is shot down, spinning and losing control to find your seat won't eject

  • @ShadyHunter187
    @ShadyHunter187 2 роки тому +2

    Shooting out of the sun is really tactical and from the clouds as well

  • @dougpatrick4561
    @dougpatrick4561 2 роки тому +2

    An interesting account of the development of the F15 and F16 is found in the book BOYD by Robert Coram.

  • @flyingbullseye
    @flyingbullseye 2 роки тому

    GS you really need to pit the new viper FM against the Euro fighter, Rafale and SU-57. Excellent work as always

    • @sonniedae6398
      @sonniedae6398 2 роки тому

      Maybe hold off on that Viper Vs. Felon because I believe the Su-57 is getting a new update to it's FM soon so that'll be exciting to see it against

  • @benaguilar1787
    @benaguilar1787 2 роки тому

    Great video, fascinating to see how you take the fight to the Viper!

  • @jameskester7745
    @jameskester7745 2 роки тому

    It's a testament to your skill, more then the aircraft themselves, it was cool though, nice work!

  • @000-z8n
    @000-z8n 2 роки тому

    That was probably the most enjoyable WVR DCS fight I've seen.
    Much better than those rate fights right on the deck.

    • @Galm02
      @Galm02 2 роки тому

      Which one, this video also had rate fights in the deck 🧐

  • @dewidmt
    @dewidmt 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the nod to the 366th FW at Mountain Home, ID!

  • @paulpaulie
    @paulpaulie Рік тому

    Great explanations here. Thanks man

  • @Ilamarea
    @Ilamarea 2 роки тому +1

    That was one of the best fights yet.

  • @VTerran
    @VTerran 2 роки тому

    these videos are getting better constantly. gj m8

  • @arcanesoldierx
    @arcanesoldierx 2 роки тому

    That last kill looks like something ,that should be in the next Top gun 2 trailer.

  • @cloudforest4087
    @cloudforest4087 2 роки тому

    I like when you pull aerial tactics like this.

  • @ahuman2954
    @ahuman2954 2 роки тому

    Was on duty got back really excited to see your videos again

  • @FeroxX_Gosu
    @FeroxX_Gosu 2 роки тому

    Who else is just found out Growling Sidewinder's channel as a total layman and binge watching the shit out of his videos to become an expert on jets and dogfighting?

  • @astonmartinzz
    @astonmartinzz 2 роки тому

    Woulda loved a Tac Debrief on the last shot...The fact GS called it....FLEX!! LOL

  • @Amvienttz
    @Amvienttz 2 роки тому

    Sheesh that last move. Perfection.

  • @michaelguard9647
    @michaelguard9647 2 роки тому +1

    I hear that fighter pilots at Miramar watch your videos against their instructors advice because, “you do it better”.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  2 роки тому +1

      Loooool that sounds like a fun rumour but deff not a factual one.

  • @oscarzheng9902
    @oscarzheng9902 2 роки тому +1

    Can't believe the viper pilot fell the for the trick you used to get the kill in the last round

  • @shadekerensky3691
    @shadekerensky3691 2 роки тому

    lol Definitely needing that IL2 WWI or II career as well as the F-104 Starfighter Bomber Intercept mission/MIG-21 interception-prevention mission. I love the dogfights, but I feel like something different from the norm would definitely spice things up.

  • @MTMILITIAMAN7.62
    @MTMILITIAMAN7.62 2 роки тому +1

    I never get tired of seeing the Eagle in action. The F15 is sleek, sexy, and powerful. It just does it for me in a way nothing else does. And with a pilot like GS, it is truly to be feared.

    • @Soldier-Gamez99
      @Soldier-Gamez99 2 роки тому

      We need a bandit unknown video with the F15, I would pay to see the performance of this plane against other planes. I personally like this plane, a little bit more than the MIG 29.

  • @JD-86-Eight_Zero
    @JD-86-Eight_Zero 2 роки тому

    8:43 was looking like a headshot to the pilot.

  • @HavocStylesJoe
    @HavocStylesJoe 2 роки тому +1

    Best video ever. Nailed it.

  • @MrIIINOODLESIII
    @MrIIINOODLESIII 2 роки тому +1

    The F-16 is truly the ultimative dogfighter!

  • @WillTimeAbility
    @WillTimeAbility 2 роки тому +2

    Great content, as always! I'm very curious how the Hornet would fare against the updated Viper in guns only engagement. I fear that if the F-18 doesn't kill the F-16 in the first turn then it's game over for the Navy bird...

    • @sonniedae6398
      @sonniedae6398 2 роки тому +1

      Well I feel like with the Hornet you could do something very similar to what GS does in the second fight with the Viper where you pull them up to your six and then force and overshoot where the F/A-18 would have a huge advantage since now both aircraft are very slow and that's where the Hornet fights best.

  • @jakobole
    @jakobole 2 роки тому +1

    The F-16 finally has the fangs it deserves!

  • @air-headedaviator1805
    @air-headedaviator1805 2 роки тому

    This was what I’ve been waiting for

  • @liveisnotbeautiful
    @liveisnotbeautiful Рік тому

    The last move was so epic.

  • @thomasmaier7053
    @thomasmaier7053 2 роки тому +1

    That maneuvre in relation to the bandit... You should do a tutorial for the most common things you see.

  • @kaustubhacharya7642
    @kaustubhacharya7642 2 роки тому +2

    Mig21 bison vs. Chengdu J-7 love from India .....Man big fan...You make awesome realistic videos

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 2 роки тому +1

      We sadly don't have the Bison or J-7 in this sim.

    • @kaustubhacharya7642
      @kaustubhacharya7642 2 роки тому

      @@Mike_Romeo O So sad...No problem will enjoy any other Badass jets

  • @Spartan12
    @Spartan12 2 роки тому +1

    What music are you using nowadays? Reminds me of Battlestar Galactica, fits perfectly!

  • @gonzalez198123
    @gonzalez198123 2 роки тому

    At this point the beast is no longer the machine, but the person controlling the machine.

  • @chris2costacosta264
    @chris2costacosta264 2 роки тому

    It really is Star Wars Ariel combat amazing footage

  • @Paul_Sergeyev
    @Paul_Sergeyev 2 роки тому +2

    Hello! Can we please get a video where we see both perspectives on the same dogfight? For example, in this video ot seemed difficult to you sometimes to shoot down that Viper. But you did, and it would be very interesting and fun to see how the other pilot reacted to those moments.

  • @Firebase99
    @Firebase99 2 роки тому

    Outstanding flying GS, wow.

  • @cellokid5104
    @cellokid5104 2 роки тому

    Yeah. That last one was clean

  • @Strykenine
    @Strykenine 2 роки тому

    Eagle is my personal fav. Thx GS.

  • @patricktruong3558
    @patricktruong3558 2 роки тому

    Master move at the end

  • @zahnatom
    @zahnatom 2 роки тому

    "we're fine"
    your left elevator: 🧐

  • @shi_towndownsouth7736
    @shi_towndownsouth7736 2 роки тому

    Loved that last round!

  • @rmp5s
    @rmp5s 2 роки тому

    Gotta explain the lift vector thing some time.

  • @CharlieThunder24
    @CharlieThunder24 2 роки тому

    Round one: Surprise bro!
    Round two: viper strikes back
    Round 3: well damn...

  • @GlitchyGamers18
    @GlitchyGamers18 2 роки тому +1

    The f15 in my opinion is the best starter plane and my favourite plane. Takes a while to master but when treated right can compete with the big boys.

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 2 роки тому

      Duno, I would say the Su-33 is better because its proving carrier ops, air to ground armament a HMS and high of boresight missiles. It als will teach you (the hard way) to learn all the defensive maneuvers, tactics and behaviour and it challenges your situational awareness more. This all will give you a better start whe you get a full fidelity plane.
      With the F-15, you only learn how to employ the Aim-120

  • @yaseen157
    @yaseen157 2 роки тому

    If you really slow down at 08:53, you can see the Viper clips GS' left engine intake cowling

  • @clockworkorange3628
    @clockworkorange3628 2 роки тому

    Nice jump on the first one.

  • @kylejohn558
    @kylejohn558 2 роки тому

    Cool that the eagle is from the 366th fw from mountain home afb

  • @Matisaro
    @Matisaro 2 роки тому

    The sex shot on that first kill was choice, nice moves all around in todays video makes me wish I didnt suck at dcs lol'

  • @thegamingfire6456
    @thegamingfire6456 2 роки тому

    It would be nice if we could have seen the last figth in tackviwe. so cool

  • @mohdnazri8379
    @mohdnazri8379 2 роки тому +1

    Hi..
    Can we play DCS with 3rd person view? Like Jane's USAF.
    Thanks!

  • @griffin5012
    @griffin5012 Рік тому

    Do you know when you are likely to run this but as a F-15E vs F-16C Viper? Looking forward to that video

  • @Dino-cj1ko
    @Dino-cj1ko 2 роки тому

    I like the view from cockpit seems bigger

  • @salutarydreams520
    @salutarydreams520 2 роки тому +1

    F15 flight model really needs to be fixed as well.

  • @longjohnpilsners7750
    @longjohnpilsners7750 2 роки тому +3

    This might be the one channel where I watch every video

  • @alainponcelet1157
    @alainponcelet1157 2 роки тому

    Hi and thanks for the amazing videos. Always. But why not a tac view on these engagements? It seems to me that there might have been a lot to learn.

  • @dietersmit6639
    @dietersmit6639 2 роки тому

    Would love to see you flying F15 against F22. Anything goes.

  • @saquist
    @saquist 2 роки тому

    now what we all want to see. F16 vs F35...

  • @TheRitualChannel
    @TheRitualChannel 2 роки тому +1

    Two of America's best.

  • @ShadyHunter187
    @ShadyHunter187 2 роки тому +1

    F-35 Lightning VS SU-35

  • @republicofustio4381
    @republicofustio4381 2 роки тому +1

    man... why is the Eagle so damn gorgeous?

  • @jesuselizondotorres9888
    @jesuselizondotorres9888 2 роки тому

    Bro we’re is the tactical view those maneuvers were awesome

  • @SldgeHammr
    @SldgeHammr 2 роки тому

    I can't wait for the E model

  • @reload54
    @reload54 2 роки тому

    was wondering what your chaff/flare settings are for the f-16, thanks, or if there is a link someone can show me.

  • @johnleslie730
    @johnleslie730 2 роки тому

    Growling, could you post more about your opponent? It would be nice to see and follow some of the people you compete with.
    Additionally, I'd like to see their POV if they also have the video uploaded..

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  2 роки тому +1

      I will always share that information as I have in the past if they want it shared, if they have a channel etc etc. IF you don't see a name posted its because they did not wish to be identified.

    • @johnleslie730
      @johnleslie730 2 роки тому +1

      @@GrowlingSidewinder understood. Fair policy.

  • @doltonthibodeaux414
    @doltonthibodeaux414 2 роки тому

    What's the point of the initial merge, and how often is/was it practiced before pilots decided to just shoot as they were flying towards known enemy

  • @sbsb69
    @sbsb69 2 роки тому +1

    Are 9M's the last iteration before 9X's?

  • @cristianopais566
    @cristianopais566 2 роки тому +1

    The Eagle is a beast 🔥🔥🔥

  • @trav2SS
    @trav2SS 2 роки тому +1

    F-15 will always be a lethal hunter

  • @sgt.grinch3299
    @sgt.grinch3299 2 роки тому +2

    Ejection seat won’t work! Famous last words. The F16c is an insane fighter. The speed and turn rate is outrageous. Is the update even close to reality? If it is, it is a very potent machine.

    • @FlyingWithSpurts
      @FlyingWithSpurts 2 роки тому

      It's close, but not quite right on. I have a vid on it that is informative but not entertaining.

    • @Asghaad
      @Asghaad 2 роки тому

      @@FlyingWithSpurts not right on meaning its overperforming or is it underperforming still ?

    • @FlyingWithSpurts
      @FlyingWithSpurts 2 роки тому

      @@Asghaad that depends on how you mean. It is turning a bit too tight when you are AoA limited and it is bleeding speed too quickly then as well (as you would expect if you are turning too tightly). I have a video up about it.

  • @willpettit1022
    @willpettit1022 2 роки тому

    2 v 2 would be pretty cool