London Buses at West Ham, Upton Park & Stratford 1985
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- As requested by a subscriber, here is another film with the 'real' West Ham Garage in it. Some nice shots of Routemasters & Titans at Upton Park, Plaistow Greengate, WH Gar & Stratford. Watch out for the odd shot of a Titan on the 147 & a mobility bus LS in Little Ilford Lane. This was filmed in the Autumn of 1985 and is some of the earliest video i have-enjoy! If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
At 1 minute 46 secs you see me ( kelvin page ) in my black capri, driving behind a route master bus . I then look at the camera as I drive past, I was 22 then great days growing up in the east end ❤️ 👍
@@peacockist Wow! Amazing isn't it, to think how long ago this was....... I was 19 and also lived locally, working at West Ham bus garage in Green gate Street back then....... Certainly better days than today.......
Brilliant, proper time capsule!
Oh my wow! So amazing to see. I really enjoyed watching
I loved this, not only lots of beautiful buses but lots of lovely cars to, especially Ford Cortinas my passion, I remember seeing London Transport using The Cortina Mk.3 in bus red,never knew what they were used for though?, area managers maybe?, I bought a Ford Cortina Mk.3 in 1976, and still own it, now being fully restored to brand new on my channel, I adore the passion bus enthusiasts have,
and can relate to it as I feel the same about the cortina.
My Dad's first car was a Cortina Estate....nice motors....
That is my 58 bus from 1983 to 2012 from Walthamstow when I was born and when I moved to Leyton in may 1984, I remember sitting on them they looked like that. Now I live in custom house (east London) since nov 2012
They were Routemasters when i went to school in Canning Town. I used to jump off the 58s (they ran to Canning Town in those days) as they turned into Green Street at the Boleyn, happy days but the route lost its RMs in 1981 (if i remember correctly) when it went crew Titan. I think it then went OPO in 1983 time.
Soi Buakhao ok, thanks for letting me know that, i appreciated, I think I remember I saw a route master on the bus 69 bus when I moved to Leyton in May 1984.
That would have been right at the end of crew operation. By late 84 it was crew Titan and i think went OPO in early 85.
Soi Buakhao I knew it, I thought I was dreaming, lol, I remember asking my mum, that bus, she said no dirty bus, lol, I don’t why she said it, lol? Wow, I can remember it, 1984 was a big year of change, new wave music, I started watching top of the pops early age in 1984, after I left Walthamstow and I moved to Leyton in 1984, thanks for the reply, I appreciate it 😀
I used to compare 1984 and 1985, 1984 looked old, when it came to 1985, it was kind different.
Look how much Ford OWNED the motor trade back then. Dominating with the Cortina, the Granada, the vans.
Well, Dagenham was only a few miles up the road!
Brings back lots of happy memories, I lived in the area and went to school in Green Street so would have riden on some of those buses. Also messing around with my mates on the way to watch the hammers!!
Yes, i too rode on buses along Green Street as a kid, MBS types on the S1 being the oldest. I worked at West Ham in 1985 and was sad to see it demolished.....
This is a great video.
I worked on many if not all of the Upton Park allocated buses. I well remember the blue yellow blinds and rml 2402 & 2738 with full yellow roofs.
REAL buses-Routemasters-are in the part of London where they would have dominated the bus scene way back to the early 60s before the RMs took over the busiest routes crossing central London as that decade progressed. And proper AEC AV590/AV690 engines, and even an RM powered with a Leyland 0.600 engine was caught. Nice to see inside of the genuine West Ham bus garage. As I researched over the years, in the early years of trolleybus conversion to diesel powered vehicles, most of the West Ham RMs were those with non-opening front upper deck windows. The garage also took in RTs which were exchanged for RTLs in 1962. West Ham garage then would have had an EXCELLENT fleet of early bodied RMs and RTLs allocated there. Like many garages around the LT network they never had it so good-until the reshaping programme got its claws in and began to tear everything wide open!
I worked at West Ham in 1985/86 on the inside staff. It was a lovely place, an old tran shed and really easy to park the buses up at night with its nice long shed which had 13 rows of 10 buses, up to 11 buses when they were shorter RTs and RMs (T's & LS's were longer). Even Upton Park has gone now, i'll have to get some film up i took there one afternoon with RM, RML, RMC & i think an RMA on the run out for the evening peak (the X15 buses ran up to Central London as 15Bs before working back as X15s). Happy days!
Nice Old NB4Ls
It’s funny how West Ham UTD couldn’t expand the stadium because of the bus garage U, 3 years after they know it down the garage closes as well...
The old S1 Stratford circular was a favourite of mine in my teen years, good to see the Boleyn pub and pinkies wine bar too, which has now long since gone.
I am planning an upload from the Stratford area i took in 1989 just before the S1 was withdrawn, so there will be a few more there for you to feast upon!
The Boleyn pub stills here
I can't believe how many Ford Cortinas are in this video.
A very popular car back in the day especially in the East End.
David Young: Yes the Mk3 Ford Cortina was the UK;s best selling car for 4 of the 6 year production run, 1, 125,559 made, I bought one in 1976, which I still own today, having a full bare shell restoration to brand new on my channel, also Mk.4/5 seen in this,and lots of other lovely cars and vans, a time when cars, and buses were beautiful.
Lots of Titans, the best rear engine double decker if you ask me.
What's so interesting about these is how many other vehicles can you identify, and which are the most desirable now. Nice vinyl roof Srs I XJ6 1:25, for instance.
Yes, these vids are a great time machine experience! It's great fun looking at what else was around then-enjoy!
Wow this is fascinating to watch! The cars look soo old fashioned here! Mrs T was sitting in Downing Street back in those days.
Yes, in 1985 all was going well for her. Probably a lot of second hand cars around the East End then, especially being near a bus garage, a lot may well have belong to bus staff!
Torvill and Dean...Jane and Christopher performing on ice in a city theatre...Bucks Fizz...yes and Ford Cortinas and Escorts and Transits...Petrol 43p per litre...nearly 5 times that now...and Margaret Thatcher...some idiots voted for her...oh that'd be me...I was one too...how could I forget...I miss the RouteMasters...took the noisy big reds for granted back in the day...jumping on and off the platforms while it's still moving...now I just became a pensioner...
Wow memories of my childhood. Sadly this was to be last year here in East London. Soon moved South East London
Can't believe the 25 used to go to plaistow lol wow
That was on garage journeys only. Half the route was run by Bow (which was on line of route) and the other half West Ham (the original garage on Greengate Street) and in those days all buses ran in service back to their garages!
This is a bus nut's play ground.
Loved the shot of the wheel chair National's eyes lighting up.
Keep them lit, I have plenty more to upload!
Another game you can play is "spot what must surely be an MOT failure". The Transit at 4:15 has to be a candidate surely.
This the East End (as was), lots of dodgy motors around. The only time i was attacked for my vid camera was outside Upton Park Garage one friday afternoon in broad daylight! The yobs didn't get the camera but it cost a few hundred to have repaired-not happy!!!
Fantastic, brings back some great memories.
The real West Ham garage is long gone having closed in 1992. You could now live in Routemaster Close if you so desired! Yes, the site is now a housing estate.
Yes I remember them pulling it all down, I lived over the road in st Clair road
Completely forgot about the S1 bus ha ha. I once got on a 15 bus at Ladbroke Grove and got off here at the Green Street junction. Great journey and it was on a route master in 1988 ?87 ? Don’t understand why the 25 bus is there on Green street bus seeing as it was finished at Forest Gate it was going to West Ham bus garage on green gate street
The 25 was indeed on a garage journey to West Ham garage via Green Street and the Greengate. Back then all buses were in service on their garage runs even if off main line of route.... The 86s for instance, had a Saturday part allocation from Upton Park. They ran in service along Green Street to & from the Romford Road.....
Ah yes, I can see Dempsey and Makepeace zooming to solve another crime.
Glynis is still beautiful, and Michael is one lucky SOB.
Lol......couldn't agre more!
I miss my Titan buses, get more please
Any chance seeing that clip pls ??
Thanks
I miss the titan buses, they looked cute
I will get a Titan vid up in December when i arrive back home from an extended trip away. I have some nice shots of them in South East London.
Soi Buakhao excellent, please do
That was my bus 58, I remember sitting on them in 80's when I small when I living Leyton
I remember them in the late 1970s/early 80s, coming home from school on one and jumping off as they turned the corner from the Barking Road into Green Street, they were Routemasters then, so much more fun!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus The Titan on the 147 in Little Ilford Lane is one of mine and in storage in Scotland. Superb!
Hi as an ex bus mechanic, have you any film of my old garage Poplar PR prior to closure November 1985? Next year 2021 will mark my fiftieth anniversary when I started as a garage trainee there. There were still a few of the old 'trolleybus men' still on the job at that time. With Bill Nellis, Freddy Metson and Jimmy Benson engineering staff on duty on that first day Routemaster run out.
Years ago I did see a copy of the LT news, where someone had taken a distant photo all new RM buses ready for work. I'd certainly like to see that photo again because it featured those blokes I mentioned.
Great channel, keep up your good work.👍 liked and subscribed.👍
Thank you.....i never did make it to Poplar, i was a Night Generalhand at West ham in thse days, it took much effort to get these shots of my shed with RMs! I remember garage foreman called Paul Dent and Dave Dominee from my time on the LT bus engineering side. I spent 3 days at Poplar when on BM school doing a Titan gearbox change.....happy days!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus shame that you couldn't make it to PR. As for Paul Dent and Dave Dominee. They would cover the day foreman at Poplar on occasions. They were two good blokes. One of our day foremen at PR in my time was Les Lee. He came off the school and took the foreman's job. With Mick Langley ex electrician at West Ham filling the vacant post.
It's hard to believe that it's almost 50 years since I started at Poplar. This particular part of the East End, was badly run down, with many old boarded up houses in Leven Road. It was very sad to see many people squatting in those old dwellings, because they didn't have anywhere else to go.
I've been told that Poplar garage along with the old gas works is due for demolition very soon. The gentrification of this area continues at a fast pace, and soon the old place will be all swept away.
At least I'll always have my own memories of the garage, and the engineering and platform staff who worked there. Great times and memories for me as a youngster. Hopefully I'll visit one last time before its gone. Cheers.👍
@@jonniejam-shovel6405 Les Lee......he took my BM school.....had started on STLs as he told us! Along with a Loughton BM called Dave Pragnall who also helped out on the WH BM school......Funnily enough part of which survives as it was above the Output.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Poor old Les Lee. He was too nice a bloke to be day foreman. A couple of the old hands at PR would tell him to "give the job to someone else", when he gave them a piece of paper with work on it. Les would just smile, and shuffle off.
Unfortunately his mental health began to suffer, because of the problems with lost mileage and mechanical work piling up. If you were early turn shift, you'd be dispatched to Bromley By Bow station to collect him and bring him to work. A couple of times we got to the station too late, and he would cross over the station platform and jump onto the next east bound district line heading back to Upminster. Poor old sod.
I did see him once in Upminster town with his wife years ago. He did look bloody old and worn out. I think he died soon after, although he was only 50 when he packed up. The worries of the job certainly aged him.
As for the tall building at West Ham garage, where the offices were. I was first one up to be tested on the bus mechanic school, 27th December 1973. Bert Hubble was my school master and Mr Doug Whithers, was the acting District Engineer.
Fortunately I scored 8 out of 10 pass mark, and Mr Whithers told me I'd passed and was now a bus mechanic. Oh blimey.😀
Hi there have you got photos of Upton Park...?
Or only videos
Thank you
Not much in the way of photos really, i got into video in August 85 after using cine for about a yaer or so. Very expensive and only 5 min of silent film, the video camera allowed me to shoot trains & buses properly, no restrictions on how much tape it used, a 3 hour tape cost the same as a 5 min cine film and with sound as well! Plus no waiting to view while it was sent away to be developed or get lost in the post.
Fantastic video, brings back a lot of memories of the area. Roughly what year was this taken?
It was filmed in September 1985 just after i got a video camera, such an improvement on cine film! It was 30+ years ago i shot this but it seems like yesterday! I'm pleased you like it, i like looking at my old footage again when i get it ready to upload, enjoy!
Soi Buakhao thanks for the reply. I lived in that area and it’s great looking at the video, it really is. Your bus info is great too! Looking forward to the next ones 👍👍
There will be more bus ones but i think my next upload will another railway one as i have one all ready!
That makes me feel like it's the past
This was filmed way back in 1985, not long after i got a video camera.....
Oh that's why the buses looks soo old
It is the past. It is called history.
No15 I think used to get extended to Kew Green on Sundays and Richmond in the summer. Or was it 15a?
No, it was just the 15. The 15A came into being around 1984 time. I don't think the Upton Park buses went beyond EAst Acton, it was Middle Row garage vehicles that did the Richmond runs....
Did you get anymore footage of West Ham garage?
A little bit of the insides and a shot of a Tottenham RM in the chassis clean area with a General Hand posing for me! And a few shots on the day it closed when they ran some RMs on some of their old routes. Wow, even that was back in 1992, seems just like yeaterday!
Any idea why they closed the original WH garage and Popular ?
Do you have anymore old videos of Stratford
I'm sure there is some more video lurking on my hard drive......
Buses started to look better then
Why was 25 in Upton park Boleyn
It was on a garage run-in journey to West Ham Garage, the original one, that was in Greengate Street. Routemaster Close & Gadd Close are now where it stood.....
They also used to pick up passengers on their way to Romford Road. Jumped on one once when I passed through there on my way to Ilford.
Wish u had videos of inside green street. Still an amazing video though👍🏼
Thank you....I do have some of Upton Park Garage at Redcliff Road and do have some more from Upton Park taken in 1989. There might just be some inside Green Street, i will have to look and perhaps get it uploaded.....
I'm a bit confused by this, right at the start of the video an S1 can be seen turning right at the Boleyn and heading off towards the Greengate but the S1 used to go straight across at that junction and then down Boundary Road on it's way to East Ham.?
Except when heading back to West Ham Garage when running in! The S1 was always a West Ham route up until the late 1980s when it was transfered to Upton Park Garage. The one seen here has finished for the day and is running in.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Blimy that was a quick response, I get it now, I did think of the garage at Plaistow ( I went to school right next door to it) but I always thought the S1 went into Upton Park garage, obviously I was wrong, thank's for solving that mystery, nice video, good luck .
@@robertgreen941 My pleasure.....
Yes that is an S1 running out of service back to West Ham Garage, one of the routes i used to drive.
Do you have any videos inside Stratford centre?
No, i'm afraid not....
They have damaged Stratford now. I remember there was no Mc Donald's in Stratford back in the 80's only Wimpy, which was weird, I like Mrs Stratford more than Walthamstow back in the 80's, I was born in Walthamstow and moved to Leyton in may 1984 and now I got my own flat in custom house in Nov 2012, my wish came true, I used to wish Stratford would improve in the early 90's and it did, I always liked Stratford since I was small, it felt like I was in the City
I remember going to Stratford on an MBS bus on the S1 route from East Ham in about 1969/70. I used to look across from the church in the Broadway to the Station and watch the trains running by, the silver Central Line ones popping up from below ground before diving back down again. Then that monstrosity of a shopping centre went up and blocked the view....And took the market stalls away from the Broadway where they had always been.
Soi Buakhao I miss the old Stratford station, the old one and again u can c the lad central line trains popping up to the station, your like me when I was a kid, watching the central line coming up from the tunnel and going back down the tunnel, even watching the old central line far away passing through peoples gardens
Back then 108 went to stratford
West ham is now located in Stephenson Street Canning Town E16 4SA
That's the old Royal Mail Parcelforce depot. To me West Ham will for ever be in Greengate Street! The back wall and part of the side wall is still there, i cn see where the wall mounted table was where i used to allocate buses for the next day's run out-happy days!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I think routemaster close is an alleyway now
Yes, i could live right near where i used to allocate buses of an evening back in 1985/86! Or Gadd close of course, named after the longest serving member of staff at West Ham, spent all his working life there as a General Hand (cleaner cum dogsbody).
Why is the 25 going to Plaistow?
Because it was running in to West Ham Garage in Greengate Street. In those days all buses running to or from their garage off line of route ran in service.
2:11 a 25 to Plaistow?
Hi Daniel, yes that's quite correct. At the time West Ham ran half the 25 service (Bow had the other half) and in those days all garage journeys on all routes ran in service back to the garage even if off line of route. The 25s ran in via Stratford & West Ham Lane or via Green Strret & Upton Park. This is why i was at the Boleyn filming, in order to catch a few 25s running in this way, as the route was due to be re-allocated away from West Ham that November to Bow as WH had to take on half of Poplar Gargage's allocation upon its closure.
5 to waterloo wow! I remember when they made the yellow sign for 15b this gotta be after 85!!
No, this is 1985, i know i filmed it! In November 1985 Poplar garage shut and there were big changes in Forest District. The 5 went OPO and the West Ham share of the 25 went to Bow almost making it a total crew shed (only the dozen or so Titans for the 10 were OPO vehicles). The 15's had at this time got their yellow blinds but the 5 panels were still B&W.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus ok I'll take your word for it, was only 5 at the time but I remember the sign changing from white to yellow for the 15b to east ham while white was for upton park, or maybe they changed it to
15b after & the yellows signs were before 15 yellow east ham 15 B&W upton park🤔
Nah signs were defo white & changed to yellow😂😂
What sticks in my mind was when they upgraded the indicators above the drivers cab on the route masters
That was when they refurbished them from around 1990 onwards. Most RML's and some RM's were done.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus well lived round the corner from that bus garage mum used to take me to visit & they'd give you sweets & coloring book, plus there was another garage further down green st near Romford rd
Look how old the buses are looks like it
The Reason you’re seeing so many buses is because the bus garage/station was 3 roads away
Indeed, i was standing outside West Ham Garage (the original one) in Greengate Street forsome of the shots on here, and at the Boleyn which was near Upton Park garage, both of which are closed and deemolished.
Soi Buakhao I lived at the flat opposite to that garage I’m 18 now but i still fully remember it but never really thought much of it.
@@T57395 I assume you mean Upton Park rather than West Ham? WH is long gone (apart from the rear wall and part of the offices) and i'm told Upton Park is history now too?....I will have to upload some film taken of the actual garage in Redcliffe Road.....
In the days before London was a dump.
Yeah east London 1985........beautiful lol
I lived in Stratford for many years and I can categorically state it was always a dump. But it was ok as well
lol 😂 u wish
@@SpeccyHorace Anyone with " Rose tinted glasses " thinking Stratford was somehow better in the 'Olden days' is utterly deluded. It was known then as the toilet of London and has been transformed today and in nearly every respect better than it used to be. Unless you are hoping to buy a cheap property!
@@johnbeaven8951Indeed. Whilst not perfect, how it been is now compared to the 80s/90s is really night and day.
I saw star wars in that theater.
I'm pretty sure i saw Jaws there when it first came out.......
i saw ghostbusters lol
Ha Ha me too and the Black Hole!!
In the days when it was worth watching.
Didn’t know the 25 went down green st.
They were on journeys to or from West Ham bus garage, the original one in Greengate Street. In these days all buses ran in service to & from their bus garage, no dead milage then!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus now I know. Thanks
It went past my house lol
That is not West Ham that is Upton Park. West Ham is Manor road E15 and West Ham train station and the playing fields are called West Ham Memorial grounds.
This UA-cam video is Upton Park.
I don't know if you were around in 1985 but that large bus garage in Greengate Street was called.....West Ham Bus Garage, i know, i worked there! Probably called West Ham as it was built as a tram shed for West Ham Corporation Tramways and was situated in the old County Borough of West Ham. It lasted until 1992 when it was shut and is now a housing estate. This upload starts at the Boleyn whichh is Upton Park, then West Ham Bus Garage then a couple of shots in Little Ilford Lane (Manor Park) before finishing at Stratford (where the old WEst Ham Town Hall is). The one thing about the new West Ham garage is that is actually in West Ham!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus It was not called West Ham look it up on the map. West Ham football ground used to be at West Ham and it then moved to Upton Park. West Ham football ground became West Ham Memorial grounds. What you may have called it is one thing but it was not called West Ham. West Ham football ground moved again and is now at Stratford. West Ham is E15.. The old West Ham police station was demolished and renamed Stratford police station. West Ham Lane across the road from the police station is still called West Ham Lane. Church Street is still called West Ham. Manor road buildings is still called West Ham. West Ham train station is called West Ham. West Ham bus station is now called Stratford bus station. Yes I remember the 80s and the 70s and the 60s. ( this was edited for some reason so I am reposting it. )
@@professormoriarty3005 Yes, i agree, i lived in Newham and went to school in Canning Town...but that large bus garage in Greengate Street, Plaistow was called 'West Ham Bus Garage', with a garage code of WH. It must have sat in what was the County Borough of West Ham (until the Local Government Act in the 1960s almalgamated the County Borough's of East & West Ham into Newham) because it was opened as their municiple tramways depot (East Ham had their tramways depot behind the Town Hall in Nelson Street)....A section of this upload shows Routemaster's running into West Ham Bus Garage hence the West Ham name in the title....Does that make sense to you?.......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus no it was not. And you mean Star Lane School, or Eastlea school. There was the smaller school call Gainsborough school at Gainsborough Road.
You seem to have a hard time understand things....try again-the garage at the end of Priory Road near the Boleyn was Upton Park bus garage, the bus garage in Greengate Street, next to Barbers Alley was called, by London Transport (and after all they should know the names of their garage's), West Ham! I don't care where you think it sits, that was its name. I worked there, so i speak from first hand knowledege, i know what was printed on my pay-slip, and if you have access to any Ian Allan London fleet list books you will see it in those as well. Try reading this page, it will help explain things to you....commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:West_Ham_(WH)_bus_garage_(1906)
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We’re is all the🐔shops
They didn’t exist back then
No residential parking
You are like 40, innit?
Less cars than there are now but pollution was bad ... leaded fuel, smoky diesel buses and taxis.
Shut up cars are overpriced dumbass
Life was better.
Und past ,`
Phew the noise and the traffic intensity gave me a headache.
Lol......i don't think London has got any less chaotic over the years though.....
How old are you?
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I agree. It was an idiotic comment.
I live close to the old West Ham garage,maybe a 1-2 minute walk
I used to work there, back in 1985/86.....The back wall of the housing estate that's there now is the old back wall of the garage.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus they have an old memorial for the garage workers who died in war