What's With Windows 11 System Requirements
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2022
- This is a conspiracy theory that I have been thinking about for a while. Is there another reason behind Microsoft making the system requirements for Windows 11 so high? I think there is and this is what I believe it is.
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The y2k issue was much deeper than BIOS dates. In fact that was the easiest thing to patch. Even if your BIOS only supported a 2 digit date, almost every OS was updated to assume year 00 was 2000, not 1900. Those patches will work until the next 00 when a new patch will be needed for the OS to assume 00 is 2100. This patch was so easy and so small that most OS's had patches available several years before 1999. Its literally a display issue.
The y2k issue came about in the 1970's. During this time memory and storage for systems was extremely limited and expensive. Storing the year as 2 digits only takes 2 bytes, while 4 digits is 4 bytes.
The PDP 11 was a popular minicomputer of the 70's. The original PDP 11 only had a few kilobytes of memory, and a few megabytes of storage. These were multi-user systems that ran banks, utilities, government agencies, etc. Every byte saved on the year quickly added up.
Also remember that it was common use to say that you we born in '70, you graduated high school in '88 and owned a '76 Chevy. Just like it is still common to see class of '22.
While many people recognized the issue in the early 90's, the levels of inertia were huge. As I said, fixing desktop PC's was easy and cheap.
Fixing a 25 year old database was expensive, difficult, and indeed scary. Do you want to be in charge of updating a bank's database. One bug in the update could literally destroy the bank.
Then there was the old hardware much of these databases ran on. When this stuff was designed and built one of the most popular languages was Fortran. By the late 90's there were few people alive that could program databases and OS's in Fortran.
Then there was the issue of all of the embedded systems that were designed with 2 digit years. Millions of these devices ran the internet, factories, utilities, etc. Many were never designed to be easily upgraded. If lucky they used common EEPROMs . These could be upgraded, assuming you could find people to make a new system. Millions of devices were out there built by companies that had shut down decades ago. What happens if you rewrote the system for 4 byte years, but it would fit on the EEPROM.
We were saved because of how many systems could be rewritten to assume 00 meant 2000, not 1900. For databases and embedded systems this alone was a monumental job. In many cases it was years later before these systems were replaced with 4 byte years.
The cost for new servers, new OS's, new databases, software to convert the 2 byte year to 4 byte year, and training all levels of staff cost corporations $US billions.
Another whole industry popped up around designing, building and installing replacement systems.
Reset the BIOS on an older computer and it is likely that it defaults to Jan 1, 70 (or 1970). Weirdly some systems moved from storing the date as month, day, year to number of seconds since a certain start date, which is commonly still Jan 1, 1970.
Many systems had fixes that just kicked the problem into the future. The assumption was that surely they will be replaced prior to the new magic date; Just like in the 1980's it was assumed that systems from the 1970's would be replaced before 2000.
Most of the public, with the help of the news thought it was a big stink about nothing. This is because 99.9% of issues were found and resolved with no major issues to be noted.
The crash that happened afterwords had little to do with people not replacing their computers, because people did continuing vying new computers.
The issue was that the corporations and governments spent many times what they normally did. They then cut back on upgrades afterwards, it was the corporations peace dividends (just like the collapse of the Soviet Union was supposed to have lead to a massive military peace dividend). At the same time thousands of businesses suddenly had no purpose. Millions of contractors were no longer needed.
Startup companies that had great ideas withered and died because of the huge decrease in spending. Even Microsoft suffered. Corporations didn't want to spend the money to upgrade from Windows NT 3.x NT 4.0 and Windows 9x to Windows 2000, the OS built on New NT Technology. I swear only Microsoft can get away with new "New Technology" technology.
Also some mundane applications like databases were compiled with a 2 digit date and needed to be fixed and re-compiled. I had to do a number of them back then. It was not that bad but somewhat tedious but it offered the opportunity to put some minor upgrades that people wanted. Then the Internet took off and everyone wanted their applications and data on the Internet. More to fix.
I anticipated the Y2K bug in 1984. My team had an easy year in 1999.
It was not only a display issue: the year 2000 started on a Saturday, while 1900 started on Monday. The Y2K's turn of year was like sleeping on Friday and waking up on Monday for embedded systems.
@@daemonsilverstein8633 I wasn't trying to say it was only a display issue.
But there many old databases and such where it was very difficult to impossible to switch from a 2 byte year to a 4 byte year. In many cases the fastest, cheapest and/or only fix was to keep a 2 byte year, but to change software from assuming 00 meant 1900 to 00 meaning 2000.
Those software fixes also resolved the calander issue that you wrote about, in 90+% of the cases.
This. lol. I made a LOT of money from Y2K. ;)
I agree with your theory and Microsoft's shenanigans was the final push I needed to adopt Linux as my main OS.
Well said
if it ware not for the lack of video game support, i would have switched long ago
Yes, same here... the moment I tried the compatibility tool for Win11 and it told me that I can't use it, I prepared to install linux instead. Best decision I could have made, it's great!
@@kiralight6098 Most games run just fine, what do you mean? When I tried to use Linux in around 2019 most games worked, and compatibility only improved since then, especially with the release of Steam Deck - now the devs have actual reason to make their games work on Proton or have a native build.
What didn't improve is lack of alternatives to more specific Windows programs, and the issue with Linux programs being left abandoned, while supported programs being vastly inferior (like with Cairo dock)
@@kiralight6098 The current state of Linux game support is very good. I've got approx. 300 games on Steam, and they all work fine under Linux. The only issue you would encounter is with multiplayer online games that use anti-cheat.
I've strongly suspected that the TPM requirement was from pressure by big companies wanting a more heavy handed way to enforce DRM (digital rights management/copy protection)
No need for other companies. Microsoft is one of biggest DRM peddlers out there. It failed few times with various Windows store and DRM laden Xbox launch decade ago. But have plenty success too in vendor lock-in with proprietary API, protocols and file formats.
Same as. They tried it before with Palladium so it really doesn't sit well with me that they're now mandating a TPM.
Yes and no it's also to help prevent ransomware and that's one of the worst viruses that you can get on the PC was and in bed into the BIOS and it's one of the few viruses that can actually do that that's what makes it so deadly in a TPM in the ufi helps
I totally agree that Microsoft will end up extending Win10 support or relaxing Win11 reqs. There’s no reason my i7-7700K can’t run Win11 (other than my refusal to do so). Just like how they randomly started to say newer CPUs weren’t supported under Win7, even though they had been.
The Windows 7 problem could be gotten around by simply disabling the warnings but that didn't fix the driver support issue. While you can get Windows 7 to work on newer processors it doesn't support the new features in those processors. All you can do is disable the warnings. Those CPUs will still be crippled due to driver support.
@@CyberCPU Except that they 'decided' some CPUs weren't supported mid-way through Windows 7's life-cycle. All of a sudden after Windows 10 came out, Windows Updates were saying to upgrade to Win10 because CPUs that were perfectly fine before were now too advanced for Win7. I don't know what's supposedly 'missing,' but my 7700K seems faster in Win7 than in Win10.
@@xnonsuchx The problem is there's no manufacturers driver for those CPUs in Windows 7.
So you can use the CPUs simply because they follow the x86 instruction set but you can't take advantage of manufacturer specific enhancements in those CPUs.
It's easier to explain from a GPU standpoint, which have the same issue. RTX cards will work in Windows 7 but you have no access to RTX or DLSS.
This same issue is happening to Windows 10 with the 12th Gen and newer Intel processors. The E and P core scheduling is not supported in Windows 10 so with those CPUs, in order to take advantage of their core scheduling, you need Windows 11.
This happened to Windows 7 after it had lost support. I believe it was in extended support when the Ryzen CPU came out. It's not uncommon for a manufacturer to stop supporting older operating systems that are no longer in active support. This is especially true with new platforms like CPU and motherboards because the vast majority of users will be running the newer OS. So essentially these manufacturers would be using resources to support operating systems that almost no one uses.
@@xnonsuchx I tried a system with Win XP just for fun. I don't recall what generation of Intel was (4th, maybe 6th, I'm not sure). but I had my jaw dropped. The speed was insane. Also had an overclocked Core 2 Duo on Win 10 and couldn't believe how fast that extremely old CPU was.
@@Dandan-tg6tj The issue is that many CPUs were supported under Windows 7 (though they 'hinted' that they might not in the future in non-obvious update info) and then once Win10 was released, Microsoft suddenly decided certain CPUs wouldn't be supported anymore and started blocking updates and pushing Win10 upgrades and telling Win7 users they HAD to upgrade to Win10). That's the total BS on Microsoft's end. They totally used it as a push to "upgrade" to Win10 (like DirectX before)
I have a feeling either one of two things will happen at the 10/14/2025 date. Either #1. Microsoft will extend the support date another year+ or #2. Microsoft will release a Windows 11 'core' version that may be stripped of a few features in order to get everyone moved over to Windows 11. Remember Microsoft still needs to have the ability to upsell users to Microsoft365 office & onedrive products....they cannot just cut them loose. They have to keep them in the Microsoft ecosystem somehow because if they don't, Linux and Chrome OS will have its moment to shine.
I have never understood the widespread masochism of companies to use 365 and onedrive.. Probably the most painful systems ever to use, with UI like a landfill of clutter and so bloated that everything working painfully slowly if not on state-of-the-art workstation on high-speed connection, glitching and hanging way too often.
windows 7 goes to 2099 try dec 31 2099 it goes to 2100
@@TheSimoc I know I have to pay for it, but Dropbox works much better and faster than OneDrive in my experience. And it works on both my Windows and Linux PCs.
Linux and chromeos dies in front of gaming
7:30 It wasn't just the system requirements; M$ had those requirements PRE-ENCODED into Win11, to _force_ people to buy new machines! As a result, Linux may have had their best year yet, and many of us are waiting to see what they'll do with Win12, before deciding whether to upgrade from Win10 or move to Linux.
Same here. Keeping my machines on 10. Even my job wants win10 not win11. I am eyeing Linux
If I could run Adobe's stuff on Linux that would be the end of my using Windows.
You can't run it on Wine or a virtual machine?
I know the only reason I still have a windows hardrive is I can't run a VM on my 12 year old laptop.
@@michaelgarners9780 Adobe is a hunk of junk. It barely works on real Windows on hardware. I still do not understand why people do not just cut there loses and do 1080p video stuff on Linux. And people making money with Adobe should have a system just for Adobe. Making Windows run in a VM as it should always be. Since it needs to be sandboxes and monitored. Better to limit it to a single task and do everything else outside of the real hardware VM Windows system. XD
Only reason I want Windows is to sanity test hardware. And some games literately deserves to be sand boxed together with Adobe trash. Like most multiplayer games for instance. You know Xbox basically is a sandboxes gaming computer? Yea only reason to by a console is to claim it as a VM that can run the flit that is today's crap services. One day I bet the crawling of local networks starts and one have to literately run a local network just to get away from the boxes trying to brake there sandboxes in search of advertisement data! Or push all sorts of literal viruses on machines to torture us.
Funnily enough, I had never considered even touching Linux before the whole Windows 11 debacle, so thank you Microsoft! As soon as Windows 11 was announced, I refused to join them. I'm dual booting Windows 10 alongside Linux Mint and I love it, now I spend most of my time on Linux. Hopefully I'll get to learn and get running everything I need on Linux so I can ditch Windows.
I, as well agree with your theory. Windows 11 runs fine on computers that don't meet the requirements.
It does on most. I still recommend systems that run Windows 10 really well.
@@CyberCPU Again I agree with you. Both of my desktops ran Windows 10 fine as well as Windows 11.
I agree with you, and I'd add to it that I suspect the heightened requirements for SecureBoot and TPM are specifically to undercut Linux (or other alternate OS installs).
That Y2K wasn't as big of a deal as it could have been is a tribute to a lot of engineers working tirelessly in the background. That Y2K today is often synonymous with 'media hysteria' is a tribute to the media not being able to shut up about it being the End Of The World in the latter half of 1999.
Yes, Y2K could have been a major problem if it wasn't for the work done to fix the issue before it happened.
Personally I don't think Linux is even a factor. Linux supports secure boot and TPM.
@@CyberCPU Oh, Linux is always a factor when it comes to Microsoft. They hate it with a passion. Always have, probably always will.
@@callisoncaffrey I disagree. At one point in time Microsoft did hate Linux. But I think that was primarily because they saw Linux as a threat to their market share. In 20 years Linux hasn't been able to take more than 2% of desktop market share so I don't think they consider it a threat anymore. In fact Microsoft is the biggest donor to the Linux community in regards to not only financial support but code. Microsoft even owns GitHub. They've completely done a 180 in regards to their position on Linux.
In fact Microsoft Azure, their cloud platform, even supports Linux.
I think the reason we've seen so much growth in the usability of Linux over the last decade has a lot to do with Microsoft's support of the open source community.
It seems kind of strange that that's the reality we live in now but it really is.
@@CyberCPU Btw, your example of power company server suffering Y2K bug was thought in wrong way.. If the server would have reverted into year 1900 (or even into 1980 like they usually did in the end), the server software would just have seen payments having been made in appreciable advance!
But otherwise, very, very good video and agree with everything! We *need* to callout the software bloat issue more, as well as other planned obsolesensce methods (API support droppings for sake of dropping, forced updates, introduction of new file formats and other standards etc.) in software industry.
@@CyberCPU About Microsoft's attitude on Linux, I think the truth is somewhere in-between. Probably Bill Gates has realized that he really cannot fight the Linux with force, so he needs some more diplomatic means, and at least portray themselves as a friendly actor in order to avoid overwhelming widespread hatred.
But I really don't believe he is doing all those friendly gestures for noble goodwill, and I could bet he is doing every viable effort to prevent the Linux from gaining stronger foothold on PCs in future either. He has only realized that the past open tactics are unviable.
Still, we can call that change a positive development though, and I'm glad about it.
This enforced hardware requirement by Microsoft has blindsided so many users and businesses who cannot justify replacing perfectly good machines just to run Windows 11. Either they will have to drop the entry point for Windows 11 or they'll find a lot of users will either move to Linux or Mac OS. Otherwise they run the risk of it becoming like the days of Windows XP (after Vista/7) and people will just keep using their old Windows versions long after support ends.
Or people will run modified Windows 11 installs without the requirements
If they can't afford to upgrade to a Windows 11 PC then they certainly can't afford to switch to Mac.
Also a negligible amount of businesses use Linux for workstations. It's just not a thing.
@@shaunclarke94 Macs are getting much cheaper since the arm switch
Right down to the basics - what did you get in Windows 11 that made your PC perform better ?
Running Windows 11 for 9 months now, the only thing I've experienced is a load of new bloatware - and the dreaded updated hardware requirements.
Did I buy a new PC - NO !!!
I disabled the hardware checks in the Win11 installation and happily went along with my LGA775 dual core Q9450.
If the future Windows updates kicks down my setup - it's finito - with Microspft OS.
I will install Linux Mint Cinnamon, which I've been running on my even older PC for a couple of years now.
I switched to using Mint little over a year and a half ago on my gaming pc. After I got used to it I have zero desire to install windows ever again. Love Mint
which version of win 11 are you running?did you receive the win 11 22h2 update?
@@ssm840 Win 11 pro N
Ver 21H2 build 22000.1335
I have not received any recent version updates.
@@ssm840 There is a github cmd file that resets/sets the necessary s/w flags in the register file.
This tricks the installer to update win11 to 22H2 on unsupported h/w.
It worked on my PC, but had trouble with a laptop.
I have never heard of someone explaining the Y2K bug that way. It also contradicts what I remember. Yes that was 23 years ago, but then again, I was literally working for the government doing Y2K testing. Yes computers were subject to the flaw, but it wasnt modern computers that were the problem. It was long-outdated servers from the 60s, 70s, and maybe some from the 80s. They were running just as ancient software on them, as well. It was easier to keep those machines running then to update everything. It wasnt like computer and software manufacturers didnt know Y2K was coming and they were Y2K compliant. Maybe some people were still running 286s at that time, but not many. I also remember manufacturers offered BIOS updates if needed. You could even buy 3rd party BIOS chips and other solutions. Software manufacturers supplied patches, if needed.I dont remember anyone needing to buy a brand new computer for Y2K. Not for home, business, or government. People do look back at Y2K and think it was overblown. However, they dont realize the amount of work done to make sure nothing bad happened. Manufacturers of hardware and software poured over their designs to make sure they would work properly. Computer engineers were brought out of retirement to help fix or explain ancient hardware. Retired software developers started working again rewriting code from languages no one used anymore. This was probably the single most massive IT problem and project in the world. It literally affected 99% of everyone on the entire planet. As for any surge in purchasing of new PCs, this was the late 90s and the rise of the internet for the general public. People who never had PCs bought them and people with old ones upgraded - all to get on the "Information Superhighway."
Pretty much lines up with what I wrote
I was only 6 years old in 1999, but oh boy, do I remember gown-ups freaking out about Y2K. It was a pretty interesting thing to witness, even if I barely understood what it was all about. The more I learn from that, the more I'm fascinated. Thank you for your insight, I think many people don't realize what you said about really ancient servers and software. It must have been quite overwhelming being a computer engineer at that time, props to all those people.
The first PC in my household was a rebuilt IBM in the year 2000 manufactured in 1997. It was all we could afford, but we still got on the "Information Superhighway". I guess purchasing brand new PCs depends on the geographic zone.
I remember a conversation I had with my father in early 1982. I came home from school and he showed me this newspaper article about the looming computer problem about systems not being able deal with the year 2000 and that it was going to cause all kinds of problems. They new at least 18 years in advance.
I agree with you, I even talk to our customers about it. I'm sure Microsoft one day sat down with all their shareholders and partners, and asked: "How do we sell more Surfaces, how do our partners sell more computers?".... and that my friend, is how Windows 11 was born.
My stance is this. If the new Windows Server versions don't have these system requirements (which are security and stability focused) then no consumer platform needs them.
@@wsv8818 I just installed windows server 2022 on an Dell R720 ( which is ten years old) and the install went off without a hitch. It runs perfectly.
In 2020, people were buying webcams so stores couldn't keep them in stock
I remember that. Webcams were selling for about double their MSRP and we're still out of stock everywhere.
@@CyberCPU - I had a WebCam when I bought a Win 8 machine. When I upgraded to Win 10, the WebCam NO LONGER WORKED! So it's another instance of the OS making hardware obsolete (it was exactly the same with my old scanner).
I agree with you we'll see in 2025, BUT it could also be that when they end support for Windows 10 and they keep the high requirements for Windows 11, which could make a GIANT cybersecurity blackhole because so many users and companies would not have been able to migrate, which would be something unprecedented compared to previous generational hops. I have a i7 gen 6 (not on supported list), TPM 2, which I don't intend to upgrade for many years if they just relaxed on the requirements and gave us some assurance that they would continue releasing security updates
It's no different than when Windows XP lost support. I remember having to build lots of new computers because Windows XP systems were simply incapable of running Windows 7.
I agree, mostly. I think you are at least 90% correct. I can't get into specifics, but there are companies who now require anyone working remote to have Windows 11 for "Security" reasons. There is a small % of possibility that pressure was placed on Microsoft to have a more secure OS because a lot of workers who are not so good with computers were working remotely and opening companies up to "hacking". Either way I think money was the reason. Oh, and those companies I know of... Still got hacked. 🤦♂
Oh, and the Y2K thing. I was working in a factory at the time. For about an hour the whole place went haywire. The computers said 1982 for over a year after. 😂
Most people aren't working from home anymore. I have a few customers that are but mostly everyone has gone back to work.
That's funny.
@@CyberCPU Due to NDA I can't be specific, but who I am referring to has more power than Microsoft and they have had remote workers long before covid.
Yep they still get hacked because they still have the windows code underneath it.. I wish companies would realize that and not require one version over another.
I have a 10850k, 128gb ram (I run alot of VM's) and 4090. I tried Win11 just few days ago again and to be honest it still has alot of bugs. It's kinda the same story with every edition of windows when first released. I been using computers since C64 in late 80's. (Showing my age here). I was the old BBS dial in guy with 300 baud modem before the internet. My first official IBM computer was a 8088 IBM clone using dos. Later I first started using Windows and 3.1. Microsoft is about money and selling you something newer and bosting about better security etc. in every new edition of windows. Selling newer software is partnered up with the cycle of newer hardware. So the up the requirements in every edition of windows to sell more copies of windows on all that newer hardware. You would be amazed just how fast windows 95 loads and work on your newer hardware, lol. Honestly anyone who has been around long enough as me has migrated from windows over to Linux to get away from all this BS. I like your videos. You remind me of a guy I use to put computers together with long ago. ;-). Keep up the good work!
"better security" yea, its one of the most ironic statements ever, 2 buttons "yes" "no" and one login/key to the computer. Linux have been using the system where you confirm with your password to install or do anything system related for a long time now. That enable a gueast and user possibility and its safer than windows.
On windows you log in and all doors is unlocked and anyone can do anything. The only "security" windows have after logging in is the "yes" or "no" buttons, its like asking a internet troll to "please dont troll me" and we all know how good that works.
Only your online account setting is protected with a password but what about your personal files or programs? Your peronal files and programs is just as valuable as your online account that spill the information to anyone who ask for it or pay microsoft $$$ so they can buy the information.
On linux you unlock the main door, the other doors is still locked so you can log in and allow someone to borrow your computer (use programs such as web browsers and similar) if they need since the person who use the computer still have to confirm with the password even after the first login if they want to do anything system related. I see no option whatsoever on windows 10 that will enable a similar security.
To stop the worst of the trolls, yes i know that you cant simply "change" to linux and it will work 100% or as it used to be. It have its requirements like using your brain and learn a few new things or commands, and the main requirement is to "think before you do anything and if not sure what to do find the information you need" since you have full control over your system and you are the one that will crash the system if you do something wrong in the core for example.
Linux is a different beast to control but when you can use it to a good level you have full control over your system down to the core.
It seem to me to be Windows 10 with some appearance upgrades/changes. You just keep doing the things you usually do with few changes. It does seem to be a littler more responsive overall but that might just be me?
@@pctrashtalk2069 Its windows 10, the biggest bloatware/virus on the internet. Cant say much more than that and why its not as responsive? its easy, too much bloatware and junk in the system that is not needed.. try linux for 5 min and you will understand. Linux have no bloatware that slow it down.
If you still think that linux is too slow you are allowed to remove everything you dont want in your system, its allowed.
I started in days of apple II+ and commodore pet. Great to hear your comments.
@@jarnailbrar6732 i started with windows 95 and up, it was strange but fun times but its going south alot nowadays in the tech industry.
I used windows 3.1 a while, or tried but i was young and dumb and didnt know that much at that time.. still regret that i decided to throw the IBM 1550 computer in the recycling center when the only reason why it didnt work was a bad boot diskette.
Leaving out Intel 6th/7th gen and Ryzen 1 based systems when they meet the TPM 2.0 and secure boot requirements seemed very arbitrary. Especially when they allowed a dog of an 8th Gen Pentium CPU but not a high end much faster 7th gen.
I agree that it is a sales boosting strategy.
Windows 11 is the reason why I’ve purged any NT from my workflow entirely, ending up with Linux+macOS combo.
And surprise - now I can actually do my job instead of troubleshooting things all over the place and worrying about gigabytes of my telementry sent every day.
who remembers the clipper chip? what popped in my head, was the TPM requirement (Win11), and that this might be a sneaky way to get most pcs on a platform that any 3 letter agency could gain access to encryption keys when they felt like it. I have barely researched the issue, but only to find, no one else has the same idea (so I am either completely wrong on my assumptions, or the idea really hasn't clicked or maybe even being suppressed), I do not know the differences well yet between the TPM and the proposed clipper chip in the 90s. Both seem to be hardware management of keys used for encryption. The TPM seems to be an open source platform from an international organization. The clipper chip was publicly disclosed US government idea to have a backdoor available to law enforcement who could get the keys with a warrant and decrypt any of the data from the PC. It was proposed to congress to pass a law requiring it. It never gained enough support to pass.
TPM would actually make it harder for intelligence agencies to get access to your data. If you use TPM in conjunction with BitLocker on a system without a Microsoft account it would be impossible to recover the data without the user giving you the key.
I too have thought the same as you.
the mere existence of PRISM (and NSAKEY), and the level of proven intelligence agency spying over the years, rather puts lie to the argument that they wouldn't have access to your stuff. MS is a known partner with the PRISM program.
they've literally been getting backdoors put in since windows NT
then we get into things like HCL Domino/Lotus Notes, that if installed give a backdoor for the NSA to exploit.
we have mannnny such examples of backdoors coded in.
and that 'secure key' used to ecrypt your drive? if you log in with a 'live' account, it's on your ms account's one drive space. easily gotten by pretty much anyone who can gain access to it. now, in thoery this would only be on the specific system, but if wishes were fishes and all that.
we also know that ms made a point of mentioning the fbi asking for a backdoor in 2013... and then nothing.but some have complied, as evidenced by the existence of the Anom system the fbi uses to pull gps data from all such enabled devices.
at this point, if you think they don't have access to it, and its connected to the internet... you're probably wrong. unless its LFS and you went over the code entirely and compiled it yourself. and this ignores the possbility of physical access, which is ridiculously easy to bypass a lot of encryption.
windows? it's ludicrous to even make the argument. cryptography nerds were breaking 1024bit encryption with relative ease back in 2012, using CUDA. 2.9Million attempts/sec, on a GTX480. even my 1080 has 53x the cuda performance. a 4080? 5x my 1080. so what used to take a few weeks then, can be done in hours at most.
and bitlocker uses 128/256 AES. and with things similar to aes-256_ecb_cuda, its simplicity itself to brute force.
TPM? every algo it's capable of using has long since been rendered irrelevant by CUDA's capabilities. they only keep the honest, honest. everyone else? just need the proper tools.
will such things stop script kiddies? maybe. big maybe.
will any of it stop 'real' hackers, or malicious actors? speed bumps at best.
and again, they just have to get access to the onedrive space (the 'not public/viewable in the webgui' side of it), and its irrelevant. they can now use those keys to figure out a way in, even remotely, if they can 'get in' far enough to try.
and with the known router backdoor problem...
welllll...
security is a pipedream, if you're relying on default options.
Actually, if you think about it, microsoft doesn't really make any revenue from the development of windows, that is unless the os is oem.
I think they discovered, as I did when I accidentally bought a bootleg version of office around 2003 that people don't really want to pay for things unless they're part of a bundle.
So forcing you to upgrade creates an oem sales cycle which in turn generates revenue for microsoft. The question or elephant in the room now is whetherthat is in the consumers' interest and also what is the alternative?
I would really prefer to have a more cost effective solution to this dilemna as the price of pcs seem to be rocketting due to these rewuirements
My ASUS Core i7 laptop wasn't Windows 11 ready. So...I went out and bought a book "Linux for Dummies", watched many many UA-cam videos on 'do it yourself' Linux install and took the leap. I now run Linux on all my computers...for free (the books were cheap, I bought used, there were plenty of titles). I was even able to bring back to life and old 'outdated hardware' computer Thanks Microsoft, you've helped me expand my knowledge of computers and Linux.
Those old systems perform fine for daily usage for example old i7 outperforms a new i3 however Microsoft and hardware companies decided to force people to spend money it’s just money milking and it’s disgusting because it only prove that they are out of ideas. Just Repeating technology in a new design
I've been running 11 on a 5th gen Core-M since launch and it's been fine. I've found 11 finds drivers and runs better than 10 even on 'unsupported' hardware. The whole requirements thing is just to sell new hardware, especially on the corporate level. The company I work for still has 1st Gen i7s in service. They've already tightened the system requirements, you have to manually do feature upgrades on unsupported hardware.
I like to refer to these requirements as the Microsoft EliteClass Minimum System Requirements to run Windows 11, particularly the TPM, SecureBoot, and listed CPU requirements. Your theory seems right, and it would explain why Microsoft even has directions listed on how to bypass the requirements, and also not going after software companies who write programs to bypass the requirements and UA-cam creators like you and me who share tutorials on bypassing the EliteClass Requirements and install Windows 11 anyway. I recently posted a similar video discussing how these EliteClass minimum requirements could cause an e-waste nightmare and hurt PC resellers and shops if the requirements aren't relaxed and/or Windows 10 support not extended.
They're probably gonna extend windows 10 support, and just offer that until enough ppl have the PC specs to upgrade, and move the industry forward.
Your probably right. I'm hoping they lower Windows 11 system requirements but they will probably just extend Windows 10 support like you say.
I imagine lowering the requirements for Win 11 will anger a lot of people who upgraded their perfectly good machines, so they will probably go the extended Win 10 route. Who knows!
@@virtual-adam Maybe. We will have to wait and see. From a PR standpoint, extending Windows 10 support does seem like the best route. However, from the consumer perspective I would much rather see them lower the hardware requirements to Windows 11.
I'm in the business of upgrading computers so I'm a little biased in this regard. I would much rather see a way to extend the life of older systems. However, either way works for me. I would just rather not see all these old systems get trashed.
@@CyberCPU I hope you are right on that. Agree 100%, it's definitely the better option for us consumers and for the environment. I would much rather keep my PC going for as long as possible. Such a waste of all those great machines! But MS and the OEM builders are on to a good thing as you know, cant see them giving that up and it will rub people up the wrong way who already upgraded.
Bet some folks are well pissed that their still amazing PC they built for 1000's wont take Windows 11.
I still used Windows 7 up until a month ago. I just took regular system images to cover any problems. Was using the ESU hack but got fed up with it needing fixing quite a few times. So I may just do that for Win 10 if they don't extend updates.
@@CyberCPU or maybe they'll do a two-channel release style with a LTS (Like Linux) release for older PCs, haha. That way at least older machines still receive some amount of security patches and all that.
I did an experiment with Windows 95A a couple of years ago. I pulled out an old PC with a 386SX-40 CPU, 16MB of RAM, and used a 512MB CF card as a hard drive. I installed Windows 95A on it, and it was slower than pouring molasses at the South Pole over pancakes. Talk about behind the times in system requirements!
Windows 95 98 will not run on modern hardware because there are no drivers available for it to support and it has limitations on memory size and it also needs DOS to run,
Merry Christmas, love the Charlie Brown tree btw.
Thanks. 😉
Another reason I'm glad I build my own systems and have adapted 90 percent of my computer workings to Linux. I keep Windows around in a Dual Boot system but I'm finding myself booting into it less.
That's how I started! Now I'm using OpenBSD and am booting into Linux less. Look at us go!
If you have enough hardware just make a windows-VM under you linux OS
@@Beni_777 I don't want any Windows. And a virtual machine is unnecessary if you play fullscreen anyway. Just put a unix box in front of it to block Windows from calling out. Or better, don't play games that don't run on Linux. I wouldn't know what else to boot Windows for anyway. Also newer games are also just spyware, so ... yeah, Windows itself is unnecessary these days.
I upgraded my I5 quad core system (forget the generation, something lake lol) because windows said it was compatible and auto desk is planning on stopping support for win 10 in March so I decided to try it. However I’ve been sick and haven’t used it yet so I’m glad I watched this so I can make up my mind and roll it back if necessary.
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You're not alone in these thoughts. Many of us have been debating the merits(lack thereof) of microsoft's nitwit limitations/requirements since the beta leak.
I'm really hoping they change course.
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Agreed! They really need to. What they're doing is just low-class.
I have been debating the merits, or lack thereof, of ludicruous software bloat for over a decade, about every Windows release after XP, after which there have been next to zero useful improvements, yet more droppings of supports and useful features, all while hardware resource hogging has multiplied on every release.
That combined with the demise of UI design has really pissed me off.
Actually XP already was somewhat bloated, especially with service packs. But it was still barely bearable, no need for gigahertzes nor gigabytes. And really beautiful and functional UI design was pleasing. But anything after XP, no-no.
And all this plague is not only about Microsoft, but about every major and less major software vendor and observable in all kinds of software: websites, phone apps, device drivers, client programs of proprietary services, OSes of all platforms, professional software as well as software for using professional special equipment hardware, etc. Even most Linux distros are plagued by bloat, especially all the mainstream distros. Not as much as Windows though, but still way too much.
@@TheSimoc As a technician who works on Windows PCs everyday I can tell you that windows has absolutely gained a massive amount of features and benefits since Windows XP.
Troubleshooting Windows alone has improved tenfold. Occasionally I still have to work on Windows XP and Windows 7 systems and they are harder to fix. We no longer live in the days where you just have to reinstall Windows every year or so. In fact I have a couple Windows installs that have gone through a few platform upgrades (replacing all the hardware) without reloading.
I often upgrade customer computers to new systems with an image of their original Windows install on the new system and just let it redetect all the new drivers.
This doesn't even count to usability changes that have been highly beneficial in later versions of windows.
@@CyberCPU Well, I agree administrative tools and features have functionally increased a lot. But that's all. They mostly shouldn't really be running during normal use, but only when actually triggered by administrative person, or when trouble or hardware change detected, etc. Therefore, they don't warrant any increase in hardware resource hogging and system requirements during everyday use (barring some bigger hard drive footprint, which also could and should have been alleviated by letting to customize what to include in installation).
And actually, even when those fancy administrative programs are in use, they really shouldn't need the computation power of Unreal Tournament game which ran sleekly with 90s hardware.
About beneficial usability changes, I have to disagree. I have not yet found any single usability improvement after XP, instead lots making it worse. And actually many basic UI/usability issues make even administrative tasks more painful, e.g. settings scattered more and more between "Settings", "Control Panel", and other separate locations, categorized and hierarchized illogically, unnecessarily deeply, partially redundantly, icons and styles made ugly, unintuitive, and inconsistent, and about in every way possible everything made to look like a landfill of convoluted clutter.
Y2K was a scream. I had to learn COBOL because all the old databases running on mainframes like AS400s had 2 digit years because drivespace and memory were like gold dust when they were built. I never actually got to use my newly acquired COBOL skills because I was just part of a massive govt spending panic, and as you say, it turned out to be pretty much a nothing-burger. I did write a game of hangman over the weekend in the crappy copy of COBOL they let us take home (tiny, lost and lonely on a single floppy) and the first thing I asked was "how do you make a 4 dimensional array with it?" Guy in charge was impressed. Told me the version we were using was limited, then gave me a job as a lecturer's assistant, so I remember COBOL quite fondly. This was '97, just before my post-grad which I got on because I used Linux and was self-taught from a big fat book with a Slackware CD in it. Happy days. Also: Linux gets more users by the day now. MS must be aware of how easily we can ditch our dependence on Windoze these days.
Very plausible theory. What bothers me is that the two most used desktops that I enjoy the most both use TPM 1 and that's not good enough for Win 11. Another reason for TPM 2 is because Microsoft can then claim ownership of your hardware much more easily. Dual booting other O/S such as Linux while using TPM2 is next to impossible. I find this extremely annoying and I think it is time for another law suit such as the one that made it mandatory for Microsoft to allow other browsers to work on PCs. All of this hanky-panky can be summed up in a single word: Monopolization.
You're confusing TPM2.0 with secure boot.
You don't have to use secure boot with TPM2.0, but you can.
Dual booting Windows and Linux with secure boot requires some additional steps (key used to sign the GRUB bootloader needs to be added through your BIOS).
Definitely not "next to impossible", and I have no idea what you mean by MS claiming ownership of your PC via TPM.
You get to clear the TPM content and set the owner password as often as you like.
why is dual booting next to impossible? i had win 10 + linux on a laptop, then upgraded to win 11 and it still works fine. What am I missing?
I have a TPM 2 on my £100 laptop. It runs Windows 11 fine. I just disable the secure boot in my UFEI /Bios settings I can run Boot tails from USB with persistence.
Good to hear that you understand the implications of the Y2K bug. Far too many times I have seen people claim that it was a nothing burger on account that few things actually broke.
The reason that few things broke, was because of the monumental amount of work that was being done behind the scenes to fix it, prior to the year 2000 rollover.
I was working for my nations main stock exchange in the mid 90's, which was run on rows and rows of huge DEC VAX computers that were running VAX VMS. They had a DR site back then which had essentially a duplicate of the PROD hardware, which under normal circumstances was used for DEV and TEST, but was always ready to become PROD in the case of a disaster.
Long story short, they rolled the clock forward on the DR hardware to test how the trading systems would cope with the rollover to the year 2000 and what do you know, it all came crashing down.
With around 100 systems developers, it took them around 6 months and cost millions to finally fix the Y2K bug within the code for those trading systems.
If they hadn't fixed it prior to Y2K and that stock exchange would thus not be able to allow trading for the country for the 6 months it took to fix, it would have been a massive national disaster.
But instead it was fixed, along with the multitudes of other systems from all around the World and so the general public got the impression that the Y2K bug was overhyped because it seemed so uneventful. It was incredibly eventful for years in the lead up to the year 2000, but largely only for those working on it behind the scenes.
great show....ur right they don't want any disasters in their company
It's the only explanation that makes sense to me. I don't buy the security narrative.
THIS GUY IS NOT KIDDING! I just upgraded my PC to a beast gaming machine 60fps 4k VR Ready and while I was fixing up settings I saw that my machine didn't meet system requirements for 11.
Probably because you don't have secure boot enabled and tpm or ftpm enabled in bios.. That is probably why it says that.
question...do u use insider builds....new dev build has recorder in snipping tool..u have to turnit on manually
I only use them for testing if I'm making a video on a new build.
Thanks for sharing all your knowledge, let me share one of mine: It's never called one Hert, it's always Hertz, even if we're talking about one cycle per second.
We owe this to whom it's named after, Heinrich Rudolf Hertz.
I would love to know how to stop Windows from telling me sometimes that I don't have access to files on an external drive. Also, it always marks the entire external drive as "read only". I often re-mark as not read only.
Check your external hard drive for problems and make sure you disable cache writing to the drive. That often fixes that type of issues.
My office has 4 year old PCs (manufactured in 2018) that don't meet the Windows 11 system requirements which means these PCs will have be replaced with new models
You can stay W10 for years until is unsupported
Yes, lots of people have the same problem. I still upgrade Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 and none of those systems can run Windows 11.
You can switch to Linux will never have stringent hardware requirements.
@@CyberCPU Not without workarounds they can’t. That said, its been like the Y2K issue; supposed reports of problems with Windows 11 have to date been a nothing burger. Its possible Microsoft might yet release a new feature build that can only run on very recent processors so that’s a bridge we’ll have to cross if/when that actually happens.
@@NormanF62 Linux very much has hardware requirements. They are just not inforced. However, I would never run the latest version of SUSE on a single core processor with 2Gb of RAM.
In fact I have a Dell mini 10V that I keep in my tech bag because of its small size. I use it to configure routers and things like that on site. Since it has an Intel atom processor that is only 32-bit I have to run some obscure old build of kubuntu on it because it was the only distro I could find that was up to date and 32 bit. Most Linux distros have abandoned 32-bit support.
Everything has hardware requirements. The issue here is hardware requirements that are exaggerated and unnecessary. This is the first time in my recollection that Microsoft has done this with a release of windows.
Typically the windows hardware requirements are so low that I would never recommend running it on the minimum requirements. Even the recommended requirements are typically below what you should have.
Interesting take made me think of your view wow. 😊😌
WOW.. what a theory..as long I live i learn something new.. Thanks mate..👍
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If you remember correctly - the Sun Valley GUI overhaul was advertised as a Windows 10 21H2 feature update before they decided to push the new look over as a Windows 11 feature. Win11 is basically Win10 but with the graphical overhaul, smaller WinUpdate packages, and direct storage support. Under the hood it's 90% win10, even when the GUI crashes it defaults back to Win10's interface. Over time it all gets replaced and I do believe them when they say that the TPM and Virtualization requirements are for security but I'm not naive enough to believe it's the only reason.
Windows 11 is why I now run Linux. I even got an older machine working with it and it is fast and rock steady. Much better path!
My cpu didnt have the requirements for the windows 11 upgrade but today I boot it up and the first thing I see is a windows 11 upgrade fullscreen ad, and the avoid disaster button was hidden pretty well with dark patterns...
Your suspicions make perfect sense. I upgraded my Core 2 Duo from 1.7 GHz to 3.16 GHz, then from win7 to win 10, then clean install 11 on it (obviously with an SSD and some, let's say hacking tweaks) and it runs perfectly. Just doing email and youtube browsing, so it's perfectly adequate. No ewaste produced.
If you got a faster computer, you wouldn't want to go back. Even a cheap refurbished computer that costs 80$ is five times faster than yours.
@@itstheweirdguy There is such a thing as 'fast enough' for your requirements.
No ewaste produced? Then where did the 1.7GHz CPU go?
I have a, by now, ten year old off lease machine. I saw the requirements for windows 11 and in spite of being in the middle of recovering from retina surgery thus having screwy vision? Instant.
'Fuck this' Installed linux mint after a few years away from linux.
Now with an RX550 and an intel wifi card? Everything 'just works' For now it does what i want and. Well. I know i'm going to need to change hte clock battery at some point and redo the thermal grease but 'why contribute t othe e-waste pile if I'm getting use out of this thing?'
Windows 11 definitely is just a way that Microsoft used to induce purchases of new computers. Till 2021 PC components were advancing at a snail pace as well which didn't really give much reason to buy new PCs. Thankfully AMD brought some change to the market. Luckily these days it's really easy to avoid all the install requirements of Win 11. Tho we still install only Windows 10 on all business computers. Win 11 is still really buggy. It works great on some PCs but on causes all sorts of issues. Hoping Windows 12 will resolve those issues.
Windows 11 runs really good on my primary system, which doesn't fully meet the requirements, only issue is the CPU. I have a very high-end z270 board from ASRock (the Supercarrier), and everything passes the compatibility checks except the CPU gen. I'm running the 7700K on it, which was a very popular CPU back in 2017 and 2018! I am hoping one day MS will relax these CPU requirements and allow us with the 7th gen (and even 6th gen) to officially run it. There are things that I do like about 11, and a few I don't!
My current laptop, an Alienware 13R3 (the 7300HQ model) is currently running Windows 11 with zero performance issues despite not meeting the requirements
It has TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot, but obviously the CPU is one generation behind
The CPU check is an artificial limitation of the installer, not the OS. Its an open secret you can install Windows 11 on anything with the Media Creation Tool to create a bootable USB because it strips out the install checks. Its possible Microsoft might close that loophole but odds it won’t because it wants to get Windows 11 on many devices as possible even if they fall short of the official requirements. General rule being, if your PC can run Windows 10, it can run Windows 11 and Microsoft has refrained from interfering with it.
Anything after 2014-2015 can run Windows 11 even though its officially supported only for 7th Gen processors onwards.
@@NormanF62 7th gen is NOT supported, except for the high-end X model chips for the 2600 socket boards
@@NormanF62 I have used one of the ISO to install it, but i still had to edit it by either moving the install.wim from 11 to the ISO for 10 or copying the appraisers.dll from 10 and putting it in the ISO for 11 to get it to bypass the CPU checks.
Got you beat brother, started in 1996 lol. still in IT, moved from Iowa to NC this last year for work.
9:20 I'm surprised M$ didn't cut off Win10 support on the very day they put Win11 on the racks. That might have incurred a revolt large enough for people to make the largest mad dash to Linux imaginable!
My system met all the requirements for 11 but it took a year to get it to run it stable. The first time it kicked me saying I didn't meet requirements after I'd been running it for a few months. I flashed my bios, I did reinstalls, I did it all. To be honest it pissed me off to the point of going back to windows 10 for a while. Finally this summer I did another bios flash and it took and has been running smoothly ever since. The offending board is a GIGABYTE X570 AORUS PRO. It is fixed.
I am involved in studying the markets. What is being mentioned in this video makes sense. I've read and heard a similar theory about what MS is doing. Back in the early days of MS DOS and Win95 B. Gates said his operating system was the ultimate and the indefinite answer for personal and small business computing. The interviewer asked him about how MS is going to be profitable in the future. His answer was "upgrades." Since then we have seen many updates and many new versions and OSs and programs.
Ultimately upgrades are necessary. There's no way we could run Windows 95 on modern hardware. Windows 95 can't address more than 3Gb of RAM and there's lots of other technical limitations that would make modern computing impossible if we were still on Windows 95.
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Very true! Hardware is being improved and becoming of much higher performance. It is natural that the OS and software would have to follow along. Back in the beginning of the home type computers there was no concept that things would get this far.
B. Gates was looking at upgrades to keep making and expending his fortune. It was the same with the other geniuses like him.
With the most up to date computers of today, when looking at a number of years on to the future they will have to be upgraded. This is an on going part of technology.
Does anybody remember Y2K compliant floppy disks? Omg the dumbest things having Y2K compliant label add to them in catalogs.
No I don't, but considering all of the hysteria around Y2K I totally believe it. Kind of like VR ready cases. 😂🤣
I wonder how many other people came here about the windows 11 requirements and left at the 6 minute mark because all we got was your personal work history biography.
I've been working with a local recycler a lot getting old computer parts. the E-Waste disaster you speak of has already starting to show its signs, they just recently got in a several pallets of PCs these are all relatively new looking computers and we realized a lot of them were ryzen Apu based workstations, all of which I'm pretty sure could be upgraded to handle tpm2 but I know there's a lot of weirdness on amd.... But a lot of the i7 i5 6 series we're showing up on the workstations.
I think businesses are already dumping a lot of these machines.
I believe the first generation of Ryzen APUs don't support Windows 11.
@@CyberCPU that would make sense.
It will be...interesting to see how things play out after 2025. I have an i7 4790 that I really don't see myself needing to replace before then. I used to have an old Pentium 4 media machine hooked up to my tv, and after XP support ended I ran updates for a server/pos version of XP for a couple years. I wonder if there might end up being similar backdoor solutions to stay with Windows 10.
I think you're right and I hope they relax the requirements
i worked in PC sales at best buy during the "work from home" 2020 computer-buying boom. this boom also applied to students moving to online learning, and idk if i will ever get over the abuse i experienced from moms because chromebooks were SO out of stock that even hardware manufacturers could not keep up due to the also-ongoing semiconductor shortage. we had no chromebooks or windows laptops, no desktops, no monitors, no keyboards, no mice, and ABSOLUTELY NO WEBCAMS LOL. it took about 6 months for me to see a single webcam or chromebook on the shelf again and if one somehow ended up in the store through a return (or randomly), watching customers absolutely duking it tf out right in front of me over who "deserves" a webcam or a computer more became a regular occurrence.
since best buy laid off a ton of employees, i had to juggle 10+ super angry people at the same time by myself who would not understand that i was not hiding chromebooks behind the counter/in the back or lying to them about our stock. i honestly dont know why we were even open because there were long stretches of time where we did not have anything to sell and customers kept flooding in expecting to be able to buy something and they'd leave super angry or try to start fights with employees (me) in the parking lot or punch/beat on the front doors of the store before we opened. i saw a guy at the front checkout get in a manager's face without a mask on and call him a b*stard, then yell as loud as he could to the customers around him "best buy lies. dont buy anything from best buy because they're all liars, especially this guy"
it was wild. i do not wish working at best buy during that period of time on my worst enemy.
Interesting that your business blew up in 2020. My business, which was a side hustle at the time, went nuts when the pandemic started. And it hasn't slowed down.
I started UA-cam in 2020 also. It was slow at the very beginning of 2020 but picked up substantially throughout the year. It has since gone down a little bit but UA-cam has made up the difference. I still have literally no free time, so that's a good indicator that I'm busy. 🤣😂
Ah, Y2K when I bought my first x86 machine. A rambus chipset by Intel.
I remember that. It was a confusing disaster. That definitely wasn't Intels best idea.
@@CyberCPU Actually, after Upgradeware's 423 to 478 adaptor with a P4 2Ghz@400FSB and installing 2x256 MB RAM and 2 terminators this machine ran pretty well. Sure, expensive as hell in comparison to an Athlon.
@@axemanracing6222 that was the problem. It was not only ridiculously expensive but ram bus compatibility was kind of a joke. I remember building those systems. It was like a technology that wasn't ready for the mainstream yet.
I think what inevitably eliminated ram bus was the company who created it claimed they also created sdram and DDR and tried suing other memory manufacturers for infringement. They were ultimately found guilty of fraud and disappeared. After that DDR pretty much took over the industry. It was a much better direction.
I think that you are absolutely right. It makes sense from a business perspective.
I was at my friend's house for newyears eve 99. Right at midnight the breaker for the living room tripped. His grandma flipped out and ran to the basement.
Hey I just got a new laptop. Its offering to upgrade to Windows 11 from 10, I haven't really used any of them. Should I stick with 10..?
My belief is that the minimum CPU requirement is to avoid older designs which are unpatchable against the Spectre and Meltdown CPU bugs.
I know people that buy a new laptop every 2 years. I've been running W10 on my 2007 CF30 just fine for years. It can only handle 480p content but I don't use it for videos anyway. Since then I've "upgraded" to a CF53 from 2013 and it runs W10 absolutely fine. My CF27 and CF29 share parts (keyboard/battery) with the 30 and 53 so I've been able to swap up parts each time.
I was very surprised when my 2019 dell optiplex didn't meet the processor requirements. It is missing the security requirements.
Yeah, many people are in that boat.
I think its also because they want toenable biometric login to a larger extent but since not many people are as invested in the microsoft service ecosystem anymore hardwae encryption is redundant. HArdware encryption might also be an excesively bad idea for home users.
I hear what you are saying and it is very likely true, however I can't see major companies replacing all their computers.
Thank you very much...
I have a different take on this. I think Windows 11 was an attempt for increased security over windows 10. Since windows 11 is just windows 10 with added 'stuff', nobody was forced to go to 11 although there were nag notifications to do so. I don't think Windows 11 was an attempt to prevent a repeat of a dot-com bubble burst because it had to have been in development way before there was a problem (covid). Also, I would like to add that Windows 10 LTSC 2019 is supported until 2029.
Yes, Windows 11 was in development before it's released but it was intended to be a new build of Windows 10.
Also, all the security enhancements in Windows 11 are available in Windows 10 and just need to be turned on.
@@CyberCPU That's what I'm basing my opinion on, that 10 and 11 are so similar underneath the hood.
I agree also but I did build my own system in 2021. It was something that I wanted to do for years make a gaming system that could be used for years. I finally did that in that year. Thanks to my layoff and going back to school. Now I am desktop support person and I still am waiting to see Microsoft relaxing their requirements because big business owners already have to much work to deal with when something happens to their systems. I'm more worried about hackers then Microsoft requirements. The pendalem was bound to swing the other way.
I gave up on Microsoft when my new laptop didn't have enough memory to download a Win 10 update. I mean, 10Gig of memory to download an update? Quite apart from all the crap included in the OS that I'd never use? So I had the laptop reformatted with Linux. Perfectly fine. Of course, there are programmes you can't run on Linux (unless you're a computer nerd, which I am not). Currently I'm using an elderly MacBook. No problem.
Even if I get an updated CPU, I am not enabling SecureBoot (because I want to run Linux), nor TPM (Despite it's name, it's not making it more secure for me).
As such, I will never use windows 11 outside of a virtual machine.
Adding both SecureBoot and a TPM to the virtual machine is very easy too; I just haven't bothered because I just don't agree that my 2017 CPU is too old.
Most consumers will try to meet the hardware requirements but at long as regedit exists ewaste can decrease slightly
The thing about Windows 11 is it does NOT require a very advanced CPU, it will run on some i3s w/o a workaround, but on some i5s it will not run. So it seems Microsoft is favoring newer CPUs not necessarily faster and more advanced ones.
I 've been on Win11 since Insider Preview release and have not experienced a SINGLE crash in that time, user experiences may vary but for me I'm satisfied...of course I have debloat and custom settings too.
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The oversight was not a technical one or the programmers not doing good job, it was the money men, the banksters et al.
The creator of Unix expressed that he thought his creation would be good for ten years, but it's in use to this today. (Linux is a derivation of Unix BTW.) Everyone agrees that Unix was and is amazing and does, what it was designed for, really well.
Many bank systems use COBOL, that's fine, but the programmers weren't asked to design a system that could be used 30 or 40 years into the future. So why did the programmers hard code "19" for the year "1959"? Character space in bytes is the answer. These programmers had so little room to move that hard coding two characters in a date saved tons of memory and drive space (context 1960-80s).
"Most programming in COBOL (1959) is now purely to maintain existing applications; however, many large financial institutions were still developing new systems in COBOL as late as 2006." source _the internet_
Talking about Y2K bug, my 1987 Intel 286 portable IBM clone was recognizing correctly the date pass 1999 🤷🏼
A couple of years back hospitals were getting part closed down by ransomware attacks around the UK and elsewhere due to having old windows. Now after spending a huge amount of money they have been updated to win 10. We are talking thousands of machines across the uk. Microsoft had to start doing security updates for the older windows again. I don't think the NHS can afford to buy that many pcs so we are looking at another health care disaster when the hackers find a way in again or the security updates will have to continue for a few years yet.
What system requirements? One of mine Win11 installs runs on i5 2400s so, there's that. Even you said at the end that you can install it on pretty much anything and MS's allowing it so again, what system requirements? If your "theory" was right they'd make it so it literally can not run on older hardware not allowing you to bypass the "requirements" with editing two lines of registry.
2:00 I don't remember having any issues for the y2k, probably because my pc didn't have internet until 2007.
My Win98 SE pc in 2000 just lived the new year, and my XP one connected to the internet was already past the bug by a mile lol
2:55 Late? I paid in 1999 and it's 1900, I'm 99 years early, not 1 year late.
8:33 If by modern you mean that came out past 2015, that is.
There is absolutely NO WAY computers people bought during the 2020 lockdown don't meet the requirements. ZERO way.
My ULTRA LOW PERFORMANCE LAPTOP bought in 2017 meets all the requirements (bar processor generation).
No way a 2020 desktop or prebuilt laptop doesn't have that and more.
I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm torqued that I have several systems happily running Windows 10 that will need to be replaced/upgraded for this arbitrary goal. I think what we really need are more articles on how to easily switch a Windows 10 system to Linux/Chrome/etc. That would certainly make Microsoft think again and maybe show users that there is life outside of Windows.
I have several videos showing you how to put Windows 11 on unsupported systems.
Your theory does seem to make sense. As for the Y2K issue. I know a few people who work in IT who had to spend many, many hours manually going through software, line by line, to make amendments for the date issue. We can only speculate on how much of it was ultimately necessary, but at least we averted a serious situation.
Is there any way to enable single finger edge scroll on windows 11 with precision trackpads as default driver ??
Why? The underlying core is still Windows 10. If your drivers where supported under Windows 10, they should still work on Windows 11.
@@NormanF62 My laptop is new and came with windows 11 precision drivers which don't have any option for one finger edge scrolling which is most of the case with everyone because Microsoft dropped support of one finger edge scrolling
I have used it on old 5 year device having synaptics drivers which was a great experience, sadly no modern pc has it 🫠😪
@@darshanb You could downgrade to Windows 10 drivers. Just because they advertise improvements, doesn’t mean they’re an advance over what we had before.
@@NormanF62 does your laptop support one finger edge scrolling on windows 10 ?
Great theory! It's very plausible. On a personal and professional level I've been getting everyone updated to Windows 11 ASAP because I'm tired of these BS system requirements. Being a vintage thinkpad collector, it kills me to think that I can't run my trusted T440p any longer. 😡 I hope these requirements do get lacks very soon just for the reasons that you stated in regards to so many great computers will be e-wasted. We can't run Linux on all of them 😝
@@dacprotogen1828 Yeah i agree, at my work we do nothing else then that, we refurbish a lot of older laptops with Debian (or any other flavour they want). I personally love my Rpi 4. Its the perfect emulation platform and only uses 15 W/h :)
Remember back in 2006 when Windows Vista came out and manufactures built PCs that barely met the minimum requires, so those PCs ran Vista poorly
Vista just sucked because W7 ran on the same hardware that came with vista better.
One of the biggest issues with the Windows Vista release was that Windows Vista was installed mostly on Windows XP systems that simply weren't fast enough.
Windows Vista was a huge jump from Windows XP. Windows 11 is not that big of a technical jump from Windows 10. At any point in history if Microsoft needed to raise system requirements it was with Windows Vista.
The nice thing about Vista though is that system specs jumped fairly quickly so when Windows 7 came out it was less resource intensive than Vista giving us much faster systems.
That might be why Windows 7 has a better reputation then Vista. Eventually Windows Vista was fixed but people don't remember that. They still remember the buggy and disastrous release of Vista.
4:51 4 floppy disk drives?! Now that's excessive.
I think it's a sensible theory and you could very well be right. I read something which claimed that the Meltdown and Spectre CPU bugs were being used as excuses for this too. Even though they've been largely nothing-burgers at this stage.
I have a slightly different theory.
In the mid, 20 teens, it was discovered that there was a serious flaw in the architecture of multi core processors. This was not limited to Intel.
It would allow hackers to access protected memory and take full control of the device.
Microsoft had to patch Windows to protect the compute, but this patch could slow the system down by up to 25%.
Windows 11 is just designed not to use these older processors as well as requiring other security hardware.
That's exactly what it is.
On the Intel side, only processors that provide "Identity Protection Technology" are supported.
That's 8th gen onwards
There are many specific instructions that were added at the same time as this. CPUs without the instructions would have to go "the long way round", and be much slower.
I believe you are talking about spectre V1 and V2, MDS and meltdown. All of these have been mostly patched at BIOS level and certainly at OS level and in no way affects performance by up to 25%. There are a plethora of tests done on this available to observe and personally i have seen a 2% reduction in performance on my pair of xeon e5-2690's. Security holes have always existed, and will continue to exist. PC security has a bias towards being a reactionary task rather than a proactive task to exploits and some we will never know about until a major breech has occurred.
@Lee Robinson as far as the OS level patches, yes they have been done. Not everyone, in fact I will bet probably less than 10% of computer users know how to find a bios upgrade let alone actually do it. As for the 25% performance reduction, I was just regurgitating was I read in publications.
Take any to programs that measure performance on the same hardware and you will usually get significantly different results.
As for Microsoft being in collusion with computer manufacturers to make us all buy new computers, that's just another conspiracy theory. That's the focus of the video.
The fact is, the newer processors have fewer problems to code against and Microsoft is just covering their ass.
You will never have a bullet proof system. We just have to roll with the punches.
@@wolfgangheinz7579 You are certainly right about bios upgrading at user level being very patchy at best. Thankfully, HP did release a bios update to offset mitigations for my workstation, however, since these exploits were discovered motherboard manufacturers would have received updated microcode from intel and sold them in later revisions of their motherboards. That would leave millions of systems vulnerable still, hence Windows and Linux also receiving microcode updates to plug the gaps. Far from buying into conspiracy theories, i would argue that supporting 10 year CPU's to be a relatively painless task. The foibles are now ironed out. Linux does it just fine on a fraction of the budget of Microsoft. I would claim the reality is to trim their support team and simply deny support for those without the correct CPU going forward, no matter what the issue the user with "unsupported" hardware my have. The fact is Windows 11 has been seen running on processors as old as the Pentium 4 and it is likely any processor sold since 2010 would run fine on Windows 11 painlessly and securely, running most programs as would be expected on Windows 10. The hardware requirements are too restrictive in my opinion.
If Meltdown/Spectre were really the issue then the CPU requirement should have been Intel Haswell (4th gen) and later. That introduced the INVPCID instruction which negated much of the performance drop of the Meltdown patches.
Gates - "Guys, new rule, you can't wipe your butt without a Microsoft account!"
turns out, they were right, Windows 10 was the last version... for me. buh-bye microshaft!
A good solution for me was W10 on work computer and W11 (with workaround) for my non-supported Lenovo Yoga laptop from 2014. I am not complaining. Because I paid the license for my W10 I got a Genuine W11 verified from Microsoft even though the hardware specs are not within the requirements
That tpm allows big brother to control your pc, maybe even censor what you can do
In the early days of computers code was written to be fast (assembler fast), and subsequent versions tried to be faster\ less buggy than the previous version. These were the times when hardware was expensive (but repairable), so the upgrade cycle long on hardware. I worked at M$ during the 1990's, the question of computer specs came up in a meeting with regards to new OS requirements getting greedy. Remember when we went from 640K to 2M, to 4M etc? NT ran just fine at Enterprise level with just a couple of meg! Efficiency was still king. After that the programmers were told to write it how they functionally wanted, not to worry about "the tin" as Moores Law would ensure that Users would upgrade to run the new OS versions. Today we have a chubby OS, full of things we don't need (to monitor our activities), written in high level language- everyone knows that when a new OS appears, it will require more powerful hardware, we have literally been conditioned to think that way.
very good ..i think i hinted on one of your videos about this or someone else's channel.. we call it cyclical consumption, the other theory i have is to push bitcoin miners to just use linux platforms??? but the main thing i think is to target the sales of laptops that will have installed versions of 11 due to the pl....pandemic :) ... forcing people to do work, schooling and you tubing mainly vlogs from home as he lockdowns did launch that type of niche... people were getting new systems from schools obviously companies having to update there systems and offloading there old hardware to pallets for either sale or landfill ..but a mate of mine said "throw away society" is a good comment and proves a point of how consumers and manufacturers work hand in hand keeping the sales of new products going whilst the obsolete end up in the trash *** good video :D
Microsoft has deals and "gentleman's agreements" with the large computer manufacturers. FACT.
They are all playing the public for mugs. Microsoft makes OS software that 'needs' higher hardware specs ~ which you need to buy from the manufacturers.
Windows 7 is still at the core of Windows 11. If they hadn't nerfed 7 to push sales, Windows 7 would STILL be viable OS today.
It's all about the money stream for the 'big boys'.
Ms just continues to add unwanted crap. Should have just kept AeroGlass, Control panel, no forced updates.
W10 is tied with Vista for worst os release.
Occasionally I still work on Windows 7 systems. I have to admit, I'm glad it's dead. It was a great OS for it's time but that time has passed.
@@CyberCPU All things have their time for sure. My gut felling is we'll be saying that about Windows 11 in 2025...
Yes, very good theory actually, and a nice walk down memory lane. When you think about it, if MS ever decided "this is the very last version of Windows" that would be like saying "we're throwing in the towel - no more revenue for us!" Although MS has other product lines in the server and IT arena, it is the consumer/enthusiast/prosumer market where the really big numbers are for MS. Always has been. So, every few years they MUST release a newer greater (at least perceived) version of consumer Windows to justify hardware upgrades and a new market cycle, otherwise that Windows 7 PC you bought 12 years ago would still work fine and you would have no need to upgrade. Stagnation is not an option for a public company like MS - shareholders would vomit. I also do agree with you MS Windows "minimum" requirements were always a JOKE - I would never work on such a system!
Other people have said the TPM requirements help with more DRM so later they can force you to only run trusted software. I don't know how true those claims are.
Ironically they've stopped requiring secure boot for S Mode. So not sure if that's true. Because ultimately TPM is ineffective without secure boot.
However, that is believable.
Here in Britain Y2K didn't turn out to be much of a problem despite the BBC saying that computers would explode.
Honestly Windows 11 is just a rebadged Windows 10 but with the higher requirements. Of course they had to change the look of the GUI and add some features here and there. But it was absolutely for stimulating sales for the OEMs.
Alternatively they could have released it as a Windows 10 update, which is possibly what Microsoft originally planed for, but I think the OEMs wanted a rebranding.