Something I'd love to see is if you could find someone at your level of play to do a mock laning phase with. Like imagine finding a Vayne main so you could demonstrate the first four waves against an even better Vayne.
There is no chance he would win that against a challanger vayne. This vayne came to late to lane and secondly she starts hit the wave instead of garen. she didnt need to focus on last hitting when alois minions had full hp. maybe you think oh wait garen will get lv 2 first if she doesnt hit minions. in reality even if garen hits lv2 first which includes second wave to get there. he would be so low hp of vayne autos --> vayne controlls now the lane, garen cant do shit against a freeze in a bad spot + even worse if enemy jgler pessures him at that point. Also not to forget: if he fckes up once rly hard and vayne reaches botrk item. it's over..
@@simpleman8801 That's why I dislike this kind of educational videos since everything he mentions is not wrong and works, but only because the Vayne is super terrible. The titel should be "How to win against a clueless player that would lose to intro bots" and it would be more fitting than the current one lol
@@Alatreon22 yes and the vayne is super terrible just like in his viewers' games. he's not teaching diamond players to get master, he's teaching unranked players to get gold-plat, perhaps even d4
@@pedrosantos1503 LOL true. But at the same time he kinda has a point on this one. I don't think it's an unfair criticism of this video. We learned how to lane effectively against Vayne in this one, that's undeniable. But once all T1s fell it was basically him just clearing waves in side and dying for it a couple times. His team really did hard carry him. I would've appreciated the video more if it had been edited differently. Perhaps showing us more of the decisions Alois made the few times he decided to group (like he did when he went to drag instead of mid T2). Cause the way it's edited right now it really does stop being "educational" after T1 top falls. Still entertaining though.
Not to be that guy, but this is a high challenger player laning vs a 30% winrate on Vayne Emerald 3 player. This doesn't show anyone how to win vs Vayne top, it just shows how to smurf and be much better than someone 10 divisions below you.
I started playing this summer, and I have maining jungle, but tried any role a bit. You are amazing as a coach as you’re so clear explaining concepts and I am thinking of try and climb as toplaner with your huge help
If you see someone picks Vayne top, find a champ who can utilize Edge of Night well and can chase her down. After you get to that item, it's game over for her because her E will no longer push you away, she has no way to retaliate if you are Garen/Sett/Darius/Xin Zhao/ Tryndamere. etc. It may seems troll at first but the item works well as long as you close the game early after that spike.
@@kareem199928 Definitely you should. it makes laning against her so much easier and she has to keep distance and respect your all in, the moment she uses E, chase her down. You can even run her down every time you got back into lane.
Wtf. Today i just played a Garen vs Vayne matchup and it ended with my garen 14/3/9 with 416 cs minute 42:23 and almost AT THE SAME TIME you uploaded this video. Pretty nice coincidence
Pick Malaphite with comet and manaflow band spam Q everytime you have manaflowband up gg she cant do shit come back with Tabis poke her down till you can kill her with R skill rotation (works in diamond elo)
Yeah that happens to me a lot too when they get a vayne top, ghost/flash with lethal tempo, even while making her follow into minions, she warding top bushes and permapush. really difficult ( plus probably enemy jungler their duo cause camping top the first 5 min) :S. want to learn what to do
Alois today i picked garen blind and enemy top laner picked vayne. I was thinking "what if vayne doesn't leash" while watching your video and my enemy vayne didn't leash and did second wave crush. He was just pushing, pushing and pushing. Poking me under my turret. So because of that my lane was over. What should have i done?
Maybe you can try this next time. It’s not wave related but can give you huge advantages sometimes. When you play melee vs range abuse the bush. Go in and out of the bush when csing. They can’t face check the bush because doing so puts them in melee range, and they can’t harass with no vision. This will almost guarantee they place a ward in one of those top bushes. Since they have no wards for river they are now susceptible to ganks if they harass you under turret. Free gank for jungler if they agree to come.
@@mrhakk4538 yeah it happens sometimes, nothing you can do unfortunately, thats how champ select works. Your teammate gets to counter pick enemy laner, so they should have an easy matchup if vayne didnt leash, your teammate didnt push their advantages, and your jungler didnt spot the free gank its just unfortunate.
I mean yeah fundamentals are super important but idk if I’d classify an intensive knowledge on how to specifically play garen into vayne as a fundamental. That sounds more like advanced champion knowledge. I’m still somewhat new to league though… so idk I guess
Everything he did is still fundamentally what you'd do with any other champion, the sustain garen has is a bonus but not much as Vayne is a counter to Garen afterall
alois is really good, but this vid will NOT work on vayne players that actually have a brain and zone lvl 1 trust me, in masters you give 100 farm to not be 0/5 against vayne as garen, then you still split side and oneshot her with 3k gold behind
Watching this after watching the garen vs vayne vod from a month ago to convince myself not to join the dark side and play vayne top. Hopefuly he stomps.
Duude what fundamental you are talking about? You didn't get prio level 1, she literally gave it to you for free She is not punishing you for being Garen at all What a paid actor :(
@@alex2005z it’s way better for me, but hella annoying. Usually I just pick rengar against ranged champs…but when I blindpick mordekaiser it’s not a fun experience.
Hey Alois, you said this is the way how to win against Vayne Top "every time". I highly doubt you would do that well if you face a Vayne Top that knows the matchup and actually plays rather than brain afks like this Vayne did. You did show how to use fundamentals in this game but a lot of it worked due to the fact Vayne is entirely clueless and has no idea how to play Vayne nor the matchup at all. I would say against an actual Vayne Toplane player you would struggle a lot more. Besides that, you didn't even win the lane nor went even, you fell behind in Gold and ultimately won due to your team being ahead on every single position. So what we can learn is how to do well in lane with fundamentals against a brainless player but we don't learn how to use these fundamentals in a game against a player with their monitor turned on... On average, a Vayne Toplane is about 400 gold ahead of a Garen minute 15 if we look at elos below Master. This Vayne is roughly this exact amount of gold ahead at minute 15 against you despite not playing the game and she didn't even went Cull despite only afk farming in which you have no reason to go Dorans over Cull. So idk, name the video "How to apply fundamentals against brainless Vayne Top players" but the current titel is just absolute bs...
Hey. Any idea how to play into Karma Top with Grasp+Heartsteel/Ice gauntlet ? No idea how to get any economy in the matchup. She doesn't get hurt from trades, doesn't lose much mana, has movespeed, root, a lot of survivability, and very strong pokes. Still very nice waveclear with all this. Even if trades are won and level advantage is found, R-W just heals up constantly. I can't find the solution by myself, sadly, and fundamentals just got me to get frozen in the happy spot for years.
She doesn't do damage and her waveclear sucks. Most champs I play are able to clear waves better so if I can't fight her then I can proxy/roam/invade/free farm with cull. Its free scaling
every one of his guides are bullsht scams. If you try this in your game, vayne will auto attack you to death. she'll miss the first 3cs and you'll be at 1/2 health with the wave slow pushing away from you and the game will be ruined. but yeah spend money on his useless guide. everything he does is in bad faith. gives generic advice that you could get for free from any youtube channel. he wins the games b/c he's much better mechanically; every video he makes some sort of outplay and gets ahead, then just snowballs. He's smurfing and disguising it as some sort of amazing coaching. All of YOUR strats would look amazing too, if you were playing four or five divisions below your skill level. It doesn't matter how good/bad your strategies are when you are just so much better mechanically and know the matchups so well, which you learn from playing and studying matchups, not from paying some grifter for some sort of "fundamentals" generic coaching. Watch for entertainment only.
These games look like they are in silver or gold at best. The people he plays vs are completely lost and have no idea how to play their matchups. Don't get me wrong it is informative but if you are beyond plat/emerald people don't throw their leads THAT easily like a vayne top playing as a kayle.
adc players are degens, even moreso are the vayne top players, i once got filled top and cheesed one with pta ignite belveth in a bush level 1 and she instantly afks, they can't play like normal players.
I love your vids and content. My only suggestion is to drop the constant fundamentals noise / picture popup, its annoying in my opinion. Maybe i'm a minority and u should keep doing what ur doing. But thats my honest feedback, it kinda irks me when it pops up and interrupts the gameplay. Cheers mate
Something I'd love to see is if you could find someone at your level of play to do a mock laning phase with. Like imagine finding a Vayne main so you could demonstrate the first four waves against an even better Vayne.
Sasio 👀
There is no chance he would win that against a challanger vayne. This vayne came to late to lane and secondly she starts hit the wave instead of garen. she didnt need to focus on last hitting when alois minions had full hp. maybe you think oh wait garen will get lv 2 first if she doesnt hit minions. in reality even if garen hits lv2 first which includes second wave to get there. he would be so low hp of vayne autos --> vayne controlls now the lane, garen cant do shit against a freeze in a bad spot + even worse if enemy jgler pessures him at that point. Also not to forget: if he fckes up once rly hard and vayne reaches botrk item. it's over..
Yeah the vayne was ass
@@simpleman8801
That's why I dislike this kind of educational videos since everything he mentions is not wrong and works, but only because the Vayne is super terrible.
The titel should be "How to win against a clueless player that would lose to intro bots" and it would be more fitting than the current one lol
@@Alatreon22 yes and the vayne is super terrible just like in his viewers' games. he's not teaching diamond players to get master, he's teaching unranked players to get gold-plat, perhaps even d4
“How to win against Vayne Top”, gets Team diffed
10:45
@@pedrosantos1503 LOL true. But at the same time he kinda has a point on this one.
I don't think it's an unfair criticism of this video.
We learned how to lane effectively against Vayne in this one, that's undeniable.
But once all T1s fell it was basically him just clearing waves in side and dying for it a couple times.
His team really did hard carry him.
I would've appreciated the video more if it had been edited differently.
Perhaps showing us more of the decisions Alois made the few times he decided to group (like he did when he went to drag instead of mid T2).
Cause the way it's edited right now it really does stop being "educational" after T1 top falls.
Still entertaining though.
Remember him preaching that going even in lane (and not feeding) is called winning the lane sometimes?
Garen can't really do much against Vayne. He went even in an unplayable matchup
Imagine not winning vs vayne top as Garen. What a Bad Iron player this Alois !
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alois energy in this video is next level. love the content and the consistent uploads. THANK YOU
Not to be that guy, but this is a high challenger player laning vs a 30% winrate on Vayne Emerald 3 player. This doesn't show anyone how to win vs Vayne top, it just shows how to smurf and be much better than someone 10 divisions below you.
I started playing this summer, and I have maining jungle, but tried any role a bit. You are amazing as a coach as you’re so clear explaining concepts and I am thinking of try and climb as toplaner with your huge help
I guess the lucian had more gold
Lucian had 11,7k gold and Alois 13,0k
Vayne misplayed this early lane so hard
If you see someone picks Vayne top, find a champ who can utilize Edge of Night well and can chase her down. After you get to that item, it's game over for her because her E will no longer push you away, she has no way to retaliate if you are Garen/Sett/Darius/Xin Zhao/ Tryndamere. etc. It may seems troll at first but the item works well as long as you close the game early after that spike.
That sounds smart, I want to try it
@@kareem199928 Definitely you should. it makes laning against her so much easier and she has to keep distance and respect your all in, the moment she uses E, chase her down. You can even run her down every time you got back into lane.
I’m a Vayne main bro that’s terrible idea if she’s smart she will use her Q to pop ur edge of night instantly
@@UsernameDgVayne's Q doesn't proc Edge of Night's shield
@@UsernameDg I don't think Vayne's Q can proc Edge of Night, can you test it in Practice Tool? That has never been the case for me.
I feel the guy in the beginning. I was swapping away from botlane and experienced extreme improvement. For winrate AND fun!
Wtf. Today i just played a Garen vs Vayne matchup and it ended with my garen 14/3/9 with 416 cs minute 42:23 and almost AT THE SAME TIME you uploaded this video. Pretty nice coincidence
Glad to know avoiding your laner when you know you can't match him is a legit strat :D
Xenoblade chronicles 2 music at 13:45 hits different
The happy spot taught me how to become happy
Pick Malaphite with comet and manaflow band spam Q everytime you have manaflowband up gg she cant do shit come back with Tabis poke her down till you can kill her with R skill rotation (works in diamond elo)
Yeah legit, malphite ult is a literal instakill on vayne, and q + comet deals way more damage than it should , you beat her early, mid and lategame
Yeah that’s why I permaban him 🤣🤣
Obviously a Vayne top shouldn't be blinded, as well as the champions she counters
What if she runs you down instead of farming at lvl1 and if your jungler does not show up to punish summoners use
Yeah that happens to me a lot too when they get a vayne top, ghost/flash with lethal tempo, even while making her follow into minions, she warding top bushes and permapush. really difficult ( plus probably enemy jungler their duo cause camping top the first 5 min) :S. want to learn what to do
Alois today i picked garen blind and enemy top laner picked vayne. I was thinking "what if vayne doesn't leash" while watching your video and my enemy vayne didn't leash and did second wave crush. He was just pushing, pushing and pushing. Poking me under my turret. So because of that my lane was over. What should have i done?
Maybe you can try this next time. It’s not wave related but can give you huge advantages sometimes.
When you play melee vs range abuse the bush. Go in and out of the bush when csing. They can’t face check the bush because doing so puts them in melee range, and they can’t harass with no vision. This will almost guarantee they place a ward in one of those top bushes. Since they have no wards for river they are now susceptible to ganks if they harass you under turret.
Free gank for jungler if they agree to come.
@@yanfriclips751 on first 2 waves, i was already using bush but he was pushing faster than me and my jungler didn't even gank once :/
@@mrhakk4538 yeah it happens sometimes, nothing you can do unfortunately, thats how champ select works.
Your teammate gets to counter pick enemy laner, so they should have an easy matchup
if vayne didnt leash, your teammate didnt push their advantages, and your jungler didnt spot the free gank its just unfortunate.
Your best bet is finding someone better to blind. Vayne it's unplayable for immobile bruisers, I've got her in my pool for this exact reason
the happy spot fixed my marriage
bro, I was watching this video in queue, and there's a jayne top rn
Yay alois vid!
I didn't need to learn how to beat vayne top, I just love seeing vayne tops get destroyed.
I just commented on a video asking how to beat vayne top. I feel like this is for me thank you
As a vayne pplayer, the best counters ( for me) are Jayce/ Teemo/ Illaoi/Orn/ Tham/ Yorik
Dave the diver music goes hard
Thank you so so so so much. I never knew how to play ranged matchups until this vid. Time to get out of Emeraldo ❤
Is edge of night rush good? As a darius or garen
what about if it's low elo and vayne doesn't care about cs and keeps attacking anyway
finally i get to see alois destroy a vayne top. I hate all vayne players! (im a vayne main myself)
-destroy-
0/2
@@midaBR i commented before watching the whole video. but its more important to win the game, than to stomp your lane!
this is not a championship where the victory is worth more than enjoyment.
@@mert4081
I mean yeah fundamentals are super important but idk if I’d classify an intensive knowledge on how to specifically play garen into vayne as a fundamental. That sounds more like advanced champion knowledge. I’m still somewhat new to league though… so idk I guess
Its champion specific fundamentals. Sure it takes knowledge of the champion, but its not exactly mechanics either
Everything he did is still fundamentally what you'd do with any other champion, the sustain garen has is a bonus but not much as Vayne is a counter to Garen afterall
alois is really good, but this vid will NOT work on vayne players that actually have a brain and zone lvl 1
trust me, in masters you give 100 farm to not be 0/5 against vayne as garen, then you still split side and oneshot her with 3k gold behind
@@josebaltoomarnilson4762 its not nearly as bad as you make it seem
Watching this after watching the garen vs vayne vod from a month ago to convince myself not to join the dark side and play vayne top. Hopefuly he stomps.
you could manage the wave early because vayne wasn't there on time but most vaynes won't do that
if this vayne could only ppm you..... at least 100 times when you were attacking creeps xD
Could you do the same with GP?
I really struggle against those who play well
Vayne top? Edge of night rush.
Fun fact : In Korean when Garen is using Q it sound like he say : PIGGYYYYYY !!!
begging for irelia educational gameplay
Dady Alois
Now do a guide to win a range match up in top lane
Duude what fundamental you are talking about?
You didn't get prio level 1, she literally gave it to you for free
She is not punishing you for being Garen at all
What a paid actor :(
guess i can stop permabanning vayne now. thanks champ!
Who had more gold?
Ты так стараешься говорить , несмотря на боль в горле. Побереги себя !
I beat Vayne on top lane as my Quinn... that Vayne got penta kill during the game anyway...
My enemy Vayne would just rush straight to Bush and zone me lvl 1
Hey alois İre when?
Can you do a series on Vlad top pls
But imagine you play safe like that, stay even and then the 15/0 Kaisa pops up in your face. How do you win it then?
Vayne is fine how do I beat Varus TOP he builts tank and melts me in a single ult
I want a How to win against Irelia top as Yorick
Domisum Replay yorick
If Irelia finds her Q button, you simply don't win :D
the average low dia vayne top would have chased me through the whole lane just to procc her w, meanwhile this vayne ignores you and focuses on cs...
She would just lose the lane completely
I mean that's better for you lol
I mean then thats better for you. You have to play differently, but its better
@@alex2005z it’s way better for me, but hella annoying. Usually I just pick rengar against ranged champs…but when I blindpick mordekaiser it’s not a fun experience.
6:53 HOW
Hey Alois, you said this is the way how to win against Vayne Top "every time".
I highly doubt you would do that well if you face a Vayne Top that knows the matchup and actually plays rather than brain afks like this Vayne did.
You did show how to use fundamentals in this game but a lot of it worked due to the fact Vayne is entirely clueless and has no idea how to play Vayne nor the matchup at all.
I would say against an actual Vayne Toplane player you would struggle a lot more.
Besides that, you didn't even win the lane nor went even, you fell behind in Gold and ultimately won due to your team being ahead on every single position.
So what we can learn is how to do well in lane with fundamentals against a brainless player but we don't learn how to use these fundamentals in a game against a player with their monitor turned on...
On average, a Vayne Toplane is about 400 gold ahead of a Garen minute 15 if we look at elos below Master.
This Vayne is roughly this exact amount of gold ahead at minute 15 against you despite not playing the game and she didn't even went Cull despite only afk farming in which you have no reason to go Dorans over Cull.
So idk, name the video "How to apply fundamentals against brainless Vayne Top players" but the current titel is just absolute bs...
whenever i meet a vayne it's always 1M master one
fun tha mentals
as in, it's fun, and you fuck with their mental. Idk
Hey. Any idea how to play into Karma Top with Grasp+Heartsteel/Ice gauntlet ? No idea how to get any economy in the matchup. She doesn't get hurt from trades, doesn't lose much mana, has movespeed, root, a lot of survivability, and very strong pokes. Still very nice waveclear with all this. Even if trades are won and level advantage is found, R-W just heals up constantly. I can't find the solution by myself, sadly, and fundamentals just got me to get frozen in the happy spot for years.
She doesn't do damage and her waveclear sucks. Most champs I play are able to clear waves better so if I can't fight her then I can proxy/roam/invade/free farm with cull. Its free scaling
Dont fall behind and outscale
@@doga6941 That's if you have a champion that has wave clear. What if you don't ?
@@JohnnyPepere Kinda sad, doesn't leave much agency for the midgame if you play champs that need the advantage in lane.
go hullbreaker
do nothing, die solo, get the better team, splitpush while your team wins 4v5, EZ WIN
Get your bronze ass in a matchup like this and try to get 1 cs
win by using fundamentals ofc
show us how to beat quinn on garen
Impossibru
Deserved for ranged Top
For all you adcs out there, adc is a strong role if you dont play adcs in the bot lane, kind of ironic but its true. Mages are just better currently.
Please make a video on Master Yi Top, It would make my day Alois
plaay wukoong toop lliillbboy
pick nasus and you can play with your feet against her.
not to flex but that was my subscription at the begginging of the video
That's the neat part. You dont
every one of his guides are bullsht scams. If you try this in your game, vayne will auto attack you to death. she'll miss the first 3cs and you'll be at 1/2 health with the wave slow pushing away from you and the game will be ruined. but yeah spend money on his useless guide. everything he does is in bad faith. gives generic advice that you could get for free from any youtube channel. he wins the games b/c he's much better mechanically; every video he makes some sort of outplay and gets ahead, then just snowballs. He's smurfing and disguising it as some sort of amazing coaching. All of YOUR strats would look amazing too, if you were playing four or five divisions below your skill level. It doesn't matter how good/bad your strategies are when you are just so much better mechanically and know the matchups so well, which you learn from playing and studying matchups, not from paying some grifter for some sort of "fundamentals" generic coaching. Watch for entertainment only.
How to get challenger? Just get better teams like Alois do, nothing hard
Just buy kapturek and ur free to go
Pick ap malphite
Quinn is way wors, change my mind
After many days without a riven video I am unfortunately going to have to unsub
These games look like they are in silver or gold at best. The people he plays vs are completely lost and have no idea how to play their matchups. Don't get me wrong it is informative but if you are beyond plat/emerald people don't throw their leads THAT easily like a vayne top playing as a kayle.
Against a low Emerald Vayne btw LOL.
only works if u lane against the biggest npc vayne
this shit doesn't work in Silver
pick garen only farm and get better team than they have😂😂😂😂😂
8:20 control wards stop giving vision as soon as you kill them so you don\t have to act like you are walking away
no it's because you're smurfing
adc players are degens, even moreso are the vayne top players, i once got filled top and cheesed one with pta ignite belveth in a bush level 1 and she instantly afks, they can't play like normal players.
Completely useless when the Vayne is good.
Day 9 of asking alois to add twitch chat to his videos.
Why are you screaming??
Wow that Vayne sucks. Did not even try to zone your or anything.
He is smurfing
dave the diver music going crazy
I love your vids and content. My only suggestion is to drop the constant fundamentals noise / picture popup, its annoying in my opinion.
Maybe i'm a minority and u should keep doing what ur doing. But thats my honest feedback, it kinda irks me when it pops up and interrupts the gameplay. Cheers mate