I used to be a Oneness Pentecostal, I was baptised in the Bibleway Church in London, England in 1988 and left in 1989, when I became a Trinitarian and I then started to evangelise cults. I now have 1,415 videos uploaded to UA-cam of my telephone discussions with British Jehovah's Witness (JW) elders separated into geographical regions within the UK. I also have another 100 videos or so of my telephone discussions with British United Pentecostal Church, Bibleway, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World and True Jesus Church pastors in the Oneness Pentecostal playlist. I also have another 100 or so videos of my discussions with UK based pro-tithing pastors often within sects such as Winners Chapel and the RCCG.
Tithing has at least (3) Forms of Payment in the Holy Scriptures. 1. Produce and Livestock - Deuteronomy 14:23 and Tithes can be turned into money. Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. Deuteronomy 14:22 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: Deuteronomy 14:25 Money answers all things. Money answers for produce. Money answers for livestock. A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Ecclesiastes 10:19 Jesus Christ did not destroy the Law and the Prophets and never eliminated the Tithes, but told us, "Ye ought to pay Tithe" and fulfilling the Law and Prophets he added, to the Tithe, judgment, mercy and faith. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23 The Command is to Bring all the Tithes into his House. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Malachi 3:10 The Church of the living God the Pillar and Ground of Truth is The House of God. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15 So Jesus Christ did not eliminate the Tithe but added to them. Since Money answers all things. Money is the most convenient way established by God to Pay Your Tithes.
@@brothacarllovesjesus Why stop short just to prove your viewpoint, let's continue to Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever👉🏿 thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or whatsoever thy soul desireth👈🏿 and thou shalt 👉🏿eat👈🏿 there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household. Matthew 23:23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of 👉🏿mint and anise and cummin, 👈🏿and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. SPICES not money Ecclesiastes 10:19 doesn't even mention tithing, it just mentions money. Malachi 3:10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse(Temple in Jerusalem), that there may be 👉🏿meat👈🏿(food) in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not👉🏿 open you the windows of heaven,(Rain see Gen 7:11-12) and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be👉🏿 room enough to receive it.👈🏿 This is about horticulture and having such a great harvest of crops that your land is too small to hold it, not some allegorical principle about money, if it were, how would the church bank account be to small to receive it? The actual brick and mortar temple was destroyed in AD 70 by the Romans, so how is this possible now? Let's see what/who is the Temple of God now 1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that 👉🏿ye are the temple of God,👈🏿 and that the👉🏿 Spirit of God dwelleth in you?👈🏿 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, 👉🏿which temple ye are.👈🏿 1 Corinthians 3:8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: 👉🏿ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
@@AKMDUB Because money is not the issue with God or the Tithe. Worship is the issue with the Tithe. Those who don't want to pay tithes base their objections on the Law. So they say, "In the Law tithes was not money". Deuteronomy 14:26 Shows that money was present. How did they get the money? From the Tithes. - Deuteronomy 14:22-25 Therefore, they that say Tithes was never money are on a dead end street. Why? Because these are the people who also say, "Grace Giving" is what is commanded in the new Testament. Bad move ! Why? Because Grace Giver ain't money either. Freewill offering=not money - Leviticus 22:23, 29 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. = no money there - 2 Corinthians 9:7 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. = not even the mention of money there either. - 1 Corinthians 16:1, 2 Yet, the Hypocrites give MONEY. Where did they get that from because in the New Testament the scriptures they use for "Grace Giving" don't have the word : Money, Lucre, Loot, Booty, Change, Dollars, Scratch, Penny, Denali, or any thing saying $MONEY$ in their so called "Grace Giving" scriptures. But they bring money. Why? Because it ain't 10% of their increase. They feel justified with a $20.00 drop in the offering plate. But if they have to drop in $500.00 per pay check in the offering from 10 percent of the Gross Income, Then the cry from the people to God is, "TITHES WAS NEVER MONEY !" Hyprocrites. And the scriptures prove folks to be Hypocrites. Because they sing, "O how I love Jesus" but when it comes to worshipping Jesus in Spirit and in Truth, They deny the Truth that Jesus Christ the Author and finisher of our faith says, "Ye tithe...these ought ye have done" - Matthew 23:23 But you don't tithe, even when Jesus Christ says you ought to. Hypocrites !!! How? Because Jesus never said. "ye tithe, do that no more !"
@@brothacarllovesjesus So we worship God with money? I thought it was with spirit and truth. They exchanged their tithe (food) for money, because it was too heavy to carry to Jerusalem, they then purchased food and drink when they got there. The text is clear, it becomes muddied when we add or subtract from it. Your argument towards me is riddled with presupposition, I never said anything against giving, but there is no tithing ordinance in the Law that says to bring money, I double dare you to find one without twisting scripture to fit your point. Giving on the other hand offers freedom of the substance you give and how much of it you give, hence purposed in your own heart, which takes away the notion of 10%. Jesus also never told any gentile to tithe either, he was talking to Pharisees, which was a sect from rabbinic Judaism who put their traditions above the actual laws of God, you know, kind of like passing around a bucket in a building asking people for 10% of their ongoing income, which can be found nowhere in scripture.
Guilt for not keeping a law we aren't supposed to keep 😢. Jesus became the Curse for us ~Galatians 3. You can't keep the other 600+ laws either. Give your best gift 2 Corinthians 9.
Here In Nigeria, Pastors don't preach about salvation again, all they preach is sowing of seed and tithe. Christianity in Nigeria is Business, where people are using the name of God and faking miracles to make billions money of from the poor.
I saw this debate when it initially aired. Honestly, this debate should have been at least one week long because there is so much more information that Dr. Kelly could have mentioned but didn't due to time constraints. If this would have been a longer forum, it would have transitioned from a "debate" into a teaching session because Dr. Kelly would have been teaching this ignorant pastor. Had it been a longer session, this pastor would have eventually realized just how unequipped and unprepared he really was.
Isn’t another principle of God not to borrow money? But yet our churches are over their heads in debt and therefore we spend most of the money to keep a building and property maintained. Is this how we’re to use this so called tithe? I don’t think so. I believe in giving but to call people robbers of a God based on the clear misinterpreting of Malachi is sinful.
You misslead many people if you believe in your own principle black brother Its should not your own principle but rather the BIBLE's principle..tithing was under the law of moses..remembr that there are 12 tribes of israel and one is the trive of levites that was responsible for the tabernacle or temple..and the 11 trives must give there 10percent to the children of levi because they dont work outside they are in charge of the priesthood (numbers 18:21-26) so its clear 10 percent was under the law...Now christ came so we are under jesus crhist principle not moses..(Hebreo 7:5-12.) The priesthood was being changed and also there was a changed of the law... so according to paul in (1corinthians 16:2) (2corinthians 9:7)..this must be exercise by the church that every man give as he purposeth in his heart.Amen...malachi chapter 3 also was speaking to the children of israel..not to the modern or as christians..
You've typed so.much. and left Abram(Abraham) and Jacob out which the black brother spoke of. And those were not under the law either. He said so repeatedly. You still think it's his own principle?
i BELIEVE THE TITHE PREACHED IN CHURCHES THAT BELIEVE IN IT IS NOT FROM GOD.WRONG SPIRIT. WE MUST FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST WHO CAME IN POVERTY NOT BORN IN LUXURY. JESUS NEVER ASKED TO HAVE BUILDING
God bless who he want to bless. Money don’t make you receive blessing. If u wake up every day you are blessed. Jesus gave to the poor, so why we not helping the poor with the tithes. If you want to be Blessed, have a clean heart, and be Christ like
Tithing is a command from God. if you don't pay Tithes and Offerings you rob God. Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Malachi 3:8-10 Tithing has at least (3) Forms of Payment in the Holy Scriptures. 1. Produce and Livestock - Deuteronomy 14:23 and Tithes can be turned into money. Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. Deuteronomy 14:22 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: Deuteronomy 14:25 Money answers all things. Money answers for produce. Money answers for livestock. A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Ecclesiastes 10:19 Jesus Christ did not destroy the Law and the Prophets and never eliminated the Tithes, but told us, "Ye ought to pay Tithe" and fulfilling the Law and Prophets he added, to the Tithe, judgment, mercy and faith. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23 The Command is to Bring all the Tithes into his House. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Malachi 3:10 The Church of the living God the Pillar and Ground of Truth is The House of God. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15 So Jesus Christ did not eliminate the Tithe but added to them. Since Money answers all things. Money is the most convenient way established by God to Pay Your Tithes.
I am responding to this video in four parts because of limits or words in comments: (Part 1 of 4) If we try to follow each and every one of the old laws then the Bible tells us we shall remain under the old laws that we as people can not be able fulfill all the old laws, and then shall those people remain under the old curses and not under the Grace of Jesus, we need to be practical in the way we do things naturally of course, and some things that are taught are practical but consider the following that I write about, and some Bible verses are shown below for you to read to see what the Bible has written in it. 1. The Bible tells us that God commanded that only plants and animals be given for tithing, 2. In the Bible we can read that God commanded that if a person had money when they were at the place to tithe that they were to take the money and buy what their soul longeth to eat and bring those edible things only for tithing and not to give money for tithing, 3. To give money for tithing is actually the breaking of God's laws and commandments that were given in the Bible as mentioned beforehand, 4. To continue to follow the old laws of the Bible then, in the new testament it tells us that you then remain under the old curse and are not under the Grace of Jesus, 5. In Hebrews 7 the Bible tells us that the old laws were weak and unprofitable for us and that the laws were disannulled and the priesthood was changed through Jesus because the priests had to offer up sacrifices daily but Jesus only needed to offer himself up only once for us, 6. If ministers tell people we are still under the old laws of giving, then why do they not preach all the laws that were commanded for giving such as redeeming your property, and paying money for your sin offering, and paying a certain amount of money every year according to your age and gender, etc. ? 7. The Bible tells us we are to give Free Will offerings now, 8. The word tithe means basically 10% of something, but in the Bible tithing was done regarding several different things or different years so the giving of tithes was much more then 10% of the things, 9. Tithing in the Bible was only done a few certain times of the year, not every week !, 10. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek from the spoils of war and not from any wages earned, further if you read elsewhere in the Bible we can read that Abraham had received from a King the amount of 1000 pieces of silver and animals and land, but if you read the Bible there is no where in the Bible that states Abraham tithed anything from the 1000 pieces of silver or animals or land that he received.
@@jlar1984 What I wrote is not much to read compared to reading the whole Bible ! But, I hope you understand that tithing was done away by God in the Bible, money was forbidden to be used for tithing by God, Jesus sacrifice fulfilled the law, etc.
The brother pushing tithing, started by saying that tithing was from Abram and not the law. Now he uses Mal 3 (tithe law) to enforce tithing before the law?
Here is why. The Law has a purpose. Look at the scriptures: Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19 So by the very scriptures those that are the seed of Abraham pay tithes because of worship to God just like Abraham. Yet, after Abraham a Law was added because of the transgressions of men until Abraham's seed (The Born Again Saints) should come. Do we transgress God's commandments? Yes. What isTransgression? Sin. Robbing God is sin because it breaks God's Law that was added after Abraham but present with his seed today. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 Therefore, we know what God's commandments are and by his Holy Spirit we can walk in God and obey the Law. - Galatians 5:16, 22, 23 This is why we don't continue in sin. Because Grace gives us time to keep Jesus Christ commandments before we go into the judgement. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Romans 7:12 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Romans 6:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15 So we pay tithes because Jesus Christ says. "ye pay tithes...these ye ought to have done" - Matthew 23:23
@@brothacarllovesjesus I think your missing something. Jesus endorsed tithing because when he said it, he had yet to go to the cross which ushered in the new covenant so he was still under the law. Also, Abraham was not commanded to "tithe" but he did so voluntarily. I have heard from a theologian that he only gave 10% of his spoils not his whole fortunes.
@@MrJerry8159 You contradict the Bible. The Tithe is from Abraham in the Promise. - Hebrews 7:2, 6 The Law cannot disannul the Promise so the Levites received and paid tithes in Abraham in the Law - Galatians 3:17; Hebrews 7:6, 8-10 We are the seed of Abraham in Christ so we also pay tithes in Abraham being heirs according to the promise. - Galatians 3:29 Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Testament who brought in grace and truth with his ministry. - Luke 3:23; Numbers 4:3; Matthew 3:15; John 1:17 Jesus Christ laid the foundation of the Gospel being the Son of God and the testator of the New Testament yet the New Testament had no power while he was alive, be he completed the work of the doctrine that he was given by the father as the Apostle of our profession. - 1 Corinthians 3:11; Mark 1:1; Hebrews 9:16; John 17:4; John 7:16, 17; Hebrews 3:1 Once Jesus Christ died, everything he said, "IS NOW IN FORCE" - Hebrews 9:17 Everything he said is now in force including the Tithe. - Matthew 23:23 And since Jesus Christ never took the Tithe out being the Testator of the New Testament his will stands so YOU CAN'T TAKE THE TITHE OUT EITHER ! We that are the heirs according to the promise pay tithes (a tenth of all) after the example of Abraham, just like the others in promise (Jacob) did, and the Levites in the Law who received and paid tithes in Abraham even before they were born. - Hebrews 7:8-10 With your position of robbing God and not paying tithes to make that position valid with the Testament that is now in force you would need to show book, chapter and verse with the mediator of the New Testament telling us not pay tithes, cease to pay tithes, the tithes were nailed to the cross, or the tithes was done away with. But you have no scripture in the 31, 102 verses of the Holy Bible and you know it. You and anyone else not paying tithes are violating the Will and Testament of Jesus Christ our Lord which is in force to this very day from the beginning of this dispensation of grace. - Matthew 23:23; Hebrews 9:17; Ephesians 3:2-6
@@brothacarllovesjesus No matter how much we may disagree doctrinally, I do believe we are Christian brothers in the faith and my intent is not to start to pick apart your points w/ counterpoints of which I could do. My desire is not to get into a debate over this as you clearly are emotionally engaged in your comments to me especially towards the end. That's ok but it's not something I wish to engage in as emotions tend to cancel out logic. This is true of you, me and all of us. I would only say this though. Once I saw the truth, I could not and will not go back to tithing which I have done my whole life up until 2 years ago. I am 67 so done a lot of tithing and offerings in my life. I of course still do give to the church in money, time and talents however, just not a tithe. I would encourage you if you can look with an open mind to read 2 Cor. chapters 8 and 9 the first 10-12 scriptures and ask yourself if this sounds like a tithe at all. Finally, I also encourage you to listen to many other articles and youtube videos which will give the opposite view of yours. I have heard tithing preached all my life and until I heard the other side I didn't know the truth. Either it will open up your understanding or you may, in looking at it with an open mind be of your same opinion still. The main thing is to take out all emotion and keep an open mind. Again, I did not come on here to get into a debate as I don't have the time and it does get time consuming. There is something we all need to give each other in a spirit of love and that is margin for differences of belief. I allow that and hope to receive the same. I do wish you God's blessing as you follow the Holy Spirit's guidence.
@@MrJerry8159 You cannot disagree with what is Written. - Deuteronomy 4:2 You can only disagree with what is not written. - 1 Timothy 4:1 So there ain't no debate. You don't have a position in Holy Scripture to merit a debate ! For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Romans 15:4 I will oppose all doctrine of devils. Your doctrine is not written no where in Holy Scripture. - Malachi 3:8 Even the Devil ain't stupid enough to be recorded in the Holy Scriptures saying, "Do not pay tithes !" And he the devil. He just make you all do it because he trembling at the thought of that one - James 2:19 We as the saints of God are trying to find out where you guys got this damnable heresy from. - 2 Peter 4:1 But you won't tell us where "Do not pay tithes is written", You worst than the Trinity folks. They can't tell us where Trinity is written either. But both of you all still preach and teach what ain't written in Holy Scripture. You all with these damnable heresies preach and teach them like we can now turn in our bibles to the Book of, Chapter of, and Verse of this, that and the other. But you all have no Holy Scripture book, chapter or verse. Jesus Christ don't stand for no false doctrine, never have and never will. - Matthew 22:29 Jesus Christ always gave us the Authority of where he got the doctrine he said, "IT IS WRITTEN" - Matthew 4:4 You know that it is not written, "Do not pay Tithes", or anything like. Yet, you will preach and teach this? If the way the Holy Ghost is explaining to you the Gospel Truth now in this life is too harsh or too real for you. What til the Judgement. REPENT. You can't rob God. And ya'll teaching folks to rob God? - Malachi 3:8 REPENT. Look at this world now cursed with a curse. - Malachi 3:9 And you all looking around like well, this Covid-19, this economic clash and 50 million folks who lost their jobs, with these hoodlums burning down cities and taking over city blocks is just one of those things. But it can't be that we cursed with a curse. - Malachi 3:9 And you guys are instigated tempting God to fulfil his word on this and every nation by robbing God who told you want he was going to do ! Yet, you still teaching folks to rob God, without a verse, 1/2 verse, clause or passage. Produce the scripture or SIT DOWN. I am not your Brother. You cannot rob the Lord God and call me your brother. I FEAR GOD ! - Genesis 42:18 I obey God. You obeying the flesh and your financial portfolio. (Let's give them grace giving so folks will feel better about giving and we can get the money that way) ! You don't negotiate with God's word. You obey God's word. REPENT. PAY YOUR TITHES AND OFFERINGS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
(Part 4 of 4) The many verses I have written show that: 1. God found the law as stated in the Bible to be weak and unprofitable as shown in scripture. 2. God disannulled the law as shown in scripture (thus it was the ending the giving of edible tithes). 3. I have been accused of saying that tithes were never given in the Bible, but I have never said that tithes of edible things were not given under the law before, but I do say that money was not to be given for tithing based on scripture that I have shown. So the person that said that I said tithes were never given in the Bible has stated a complete lie against me. 4. The many scripures I have shown show that the law was changed, the law was disannulled, Jesus fulfilled the law for us, by the priesthood being changed the laws were changed, etc. 5 I know tithing thinking people will not accept any of these things from the Bible scriptures and they will continue to say they practice the old laws of tithing except they change God's word of giving only edible things to now the giving of money even though the Bible says not to give money and the Bible also says not to change God's word ! I have even now had a tithing thinking person say that the Jewish people do not understand the old testament about tithing, WOW ! I have heard some tithing ministers say at different times: that if you do not tithe do not come to their church because the seats are only for tithing people, or if you do not tithe you will die, or if you do not tithe you will have a divorce, or if you do not tithe the minister would like to kill you, I heard one minister say that he was looking for some place in the Bible that would say he could kill people that said bad things about him, or say that if you do not tithe you will lose your job, or I have seen a church I visited that the tithing people received special prayer from the minister while the other people did not, etc., does this like a love for money ? Of course on the other hand I have heard a tithing minister say if you gave him $4,000 he will tell God to let you and your whole family into heaven (he preaches buying salvation it seems), or when you tithe you will receive 100 times back that from God (apartently he preaches God drops money from Heaven ?), or give tithes and you will get rich (yes I have seen a few people that gave 10% of their money claim to get rich with their work but would they have gotten rich amy way ? , but on the other hand I have seen so many people tithe and be so poor, for instance an old retired couple that was asked to speak in church about their giving tithes and they said they gave tithes all their lives and were able to have enough money left over to buy and eat macaroni and cheese and other cheap foods), or a minister that kept telling people to give tithes and they would get rich was confronted by the people telling him they were not getting rich and he told them they just had to keep believing and giving tithes to get rich (some one did get rich eventually as I saw when that minister said he had enough money now that he was retiring from the ministry and buying a bunch of land and have a resort), anyway it alsways seems like they tell people to give the money and they will get rich or that you are robbing from God sometimes.
[Deu 14:25 NLT] 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the LORD your God has chosen. [1Co 10:11 KJV] 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. [1Co 10:11 NLT] 11 These things happened to them as examples for us. They were written down to warn us who live at the end of the age.
The Lord God cannot truly bless tithing that is done by the letter of scripture because it is done as a religious rule, and usually is lacking with joy and cheerfulness (the fruit of the Spirit). Tithing done by the prompting of the Holy Spirit, God will honor and bless ("Those who are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God"). This is why one MUST be born of God's Spirit, knowing that the righteousness that comes from self profits nothing. So then, tithing is not a matter of whether it is right or not. It is a matter of what gives life ("The flesh profits NOTHING, it is the Spirit that gives life").
God is not dumb. God meant money when indeed money is needed. God also asks for specific things whether gold, silver, food wine, maize, bull, sheep, goat, etc. As New Testament Believers, do we bring our firstborn to Jerusalem thrice every years with the accompanying twenty shekels as stated in the Law of Moses. If we need monies to run the Church, we should devise a proper means of funding to do so. But we should not do so under the disguised of tithe or tithing. Those who say Abram tithed, wasn't he by then unbeliever before God change him into Abraham? And also those who say Jacob tithed, was he not a deceitful person by then bargaining with God and that God accepted him after he had been changed into Israel? Lastly who are the Levites, the Priests, and the Chief Priest of the New Testament - Who should pay tithe to who because the Apostles, the Prophets, the Evangelist and the Pastors and Teachers had not been instructed to collect tithes. They are to be done a double honor as we give with faith. The old testament people did not live in faith the pay according to the Law and according to Grace.
(Part 2 of 4) My question is then why would anyone want to try to give money for tithing since it appears that this is actually disobeying God's commandments written in the Bible, and you would remain under the old curses and not under Grace as written in the Bible, and it appears you would be telling God that he does not have the authority to disannull his laws, and it appears you would be denying Jesus's priesthood and sacrifice of himself for us as the ultimate sacrifice only needed once and once only, so why would anyone what to do this ? Yes, give offerings to support your church, give 10% or 1%, or 50% or whatever, but the money is a Free Will offering and not a tithe. The old law of giving 10 % of your increase (the tithe) of crops and animals was Holy in the Old Testament as it was required by law by God's laws that God gave to mankind, and yes that tithe of the old testament was Holy, however, there is no place in the Bible that states to give 10% of your monthly income of money in the Bible at all either in the Old Testament or New Testament, and that is the error that people are being taught by some tithing ministers that money is to be given for tithing. A Bible College Professor in Florida once wrote a document about tithing, in such document he states that giving the 10% tithe in the Bible was and has always been regarding only edible things and not giving money for tithing and that there is no place in the Bible that states that money is to be given for tithing. There are many other ministers that also preach that the tithe was always edible things according to God's law of what to give for tithing and not money. I have even heard a Jewish Rabbi lecture that the Jewish tithe from the old testament was always edible things from the land or animals, I can not think of anyone that would know more about the old laws of the old testament about tithing then a Rabbi, further the Rabbi stated that the act of giving money for tithing is something that only some Christian ministers have come up with to get money from people and that to give money for tithing is not Biblical according to the old testament. Yes, people in the old testament sometimes gave offerings also of money or gold, etc., but the things given were given as free offerings.
(Part 3 of 4) The new testament tells us we are to give FREE WILL OFFERINGS, so if a person gives 5% or 10% or 50% or 100% of their monetary income that money is a FREE WILL OFFERING and not a tithe even if 10% of the money was given. I have asked a few tithing preaching ministers as well as some non tithing ministers have also asked where in the Bible it states to give money for tithing in any part of the Bible and no tithing minister has been able to show this any where in the old or new testament. And that is why it appears some people that may have read part of the Bible have not read the whole Bible it seems. If you have read the Bible then you should be knowledgeable that there is no place in any part of the Bible that says money was to be given for tithing, just try and look it up yourself and you will see it can not be found. You ask for some verses in the new testament , please read Hebrews, Chapter 7, verse 5 "And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" and verse 11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and be called after the order of Aaron ?" and verse 12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." verse 18 and 19 where it is written "For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof." "For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God", and 26 and 27, "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens." "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself." Or, Romans 10 verse 4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteous to every one that believeth." and Matthew 5 verse 17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Romans 6 verse 14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 7 verse 6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." Romans 10 verse 4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believth." 2nd Corinthians verse 20 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." and 23 "But every man in his own order Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Also, Galations Chapter 3, verses 10 to 14, "10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14. That the blessings of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." In Deuteronomy Chapter 14 verses 24-26 is where God instructs people not to bring any money for tithing,“24.And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25. Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26. And thou shalt bestow that money for whatssoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household.”
Athough the word tithe wasn't mentioned in the new testament books but it never taught us not to tithe anymore or was there really a teaching that abrogate the tithe command? no. there's no written record show that the tithing law has been abrogated. if there's anyone who has the authority to abrogate it must be jesus since he is our Lord and not anyone else. do we find any verse states that Jesus teaches us not to tithe?
“THIS IS HOW YOU DETERMINE IF NOT PAYING TITHES AND OFFERINGS IS MAN’S COMMAND OR GOD’S COMMAND”. God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. ROMANS 3:4 FALSE DOCTRINE WILL TEACH THAT THE TITHES IS ONLY FOR: “THE ISRAELITES UNDER THE LAW FOR A SPECIFIC TIME AND PLACE” THIS IS FALSE: (JACOB, “ISRAEL” WAS NOT UNDER THE LAW, JACOB PAID TITHES, BEFORE THE LAW AND HE WASN’T IN JERUSALEM). And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. GENESIS 28:20-22 “IT WAS NOT MONEY” THIS IS FALSE: (TITHES COULD BE MONEY) Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. DEUTERONOMY 14:22 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: DEUTERONOMY 14:25 APOSTLES’ DOCTRINE TEACHES US THAT: WE ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM IN CHRIST JESUS AND HEIRS TO THE PROMISE. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. GALATIANS 3:29 THE LAW THAT WAS 430 YEARS AFTER THE PROMISE, CANNOT DISANNUL (MAKE VOID) THE PROMISE. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. GALATIANS 3:17, 18 ABRAHAM PAID TITHES OF ALL TO MELCHEHISEDEC. For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; HEBREWS 7:1, 2 JESUS CHRIST IS OUR HIGH PRIEST AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHISEDEC. So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. HEBREWS 5:5, 6 SO IF YOU ARE THE “NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH” THEN YOU ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM THROUGH CHRIST JESUS, ABRAHAM PAID TITHES AND SO DOES HIS SEED “THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH” WHO ARE HEIRS OF THE PROMISE. And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. GENESIS 14:18-20 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. HEBREWS 11:14-16 “THIS IS HOW YOU DETERMINE IF NOT PAYING TITHES AND OFFERINGS IS MAN’S COMMAND OR GOD’S COMMAND”. DOES THE HOLY SCRIPTURES BIBLE TELL US ANYWHERE: “DO NOT PAY TITHES?” YES OR NO. IF YOU SAY YES. PLEASE FIND THE SCRIPTURE AND POST IT FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH. IF YOU SAY NO. THEN WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT? “NOT PAYING TITHES” IS MAN READING INTO THE SCRIPTURES TEXT IN AN ATTEMPT TO PUT WORDS IN GOD’S MOUTH. 1. ) MALACHI 3:10, TELLS US TO BRING ALL THE TITHES FOR GOD’S HOUSE. 2. ) 1 TIMOTHY 3:15, TELLS US GOD’S HOUSE IS THE “CHURCH”, OF THE LIVING GOD, THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH. 3. ) DEUTERONOMY 14:25, TELLS US WE CAN TURN IT INTO MONEY. 4. ) MALACHI 3:8, TELLS US THOSE WHO DON’T PAY TITHES AND OFFERINGS ARE ROBBING GOD. 5. ) 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9, 10, TELLS US NOT TO BE DECEIVED BECAUSE THIEVES WILL NOT GO INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 6. ) MATTHEW 4:17 and MARK 1:14, 15, JESUS CHRIST TELLS US THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS HEAVEN. 7. ) JOHN 1:1, JOHN 1:14. and JOHN 1:17, TELLS US JESUS CHRIST IS GOD FROM THE BEGINNING, WHO WAS THEN LATER MADE FLESH. 8. ) JESUS CHRIST, THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH, ADDRESSES “TITHES” ONLY ONCE IN THE ENTIRE 31, 102 VERSES OF THE HEBREW PRESERVED MASORETIC AND GREEK ANTIOCH TEXT OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES BIBLE PRESERVED IN THE AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE. WHAT DID JESUS CHRIST SAY ABOUT TITHES? 9. ) JESUS CHRIST TELLS US WE “OUGHT TO PAY TITHES” Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. MATTHEW 23:23 10. ) WE "OUGHT TO OBEY" GOD RATHER THAN MEN Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. ACTS 5:29 AMEN AND AMEN.
"Tow it, push it, roll your old junk car over here and we will pay $8,972.56 for your trade in. GUARANTEED!!!" Believe me. Trust me. GOD TOLD ME TO TELL YOU TO GIVE ME 10% OF EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.
These folks are Thieves robbing God in Tithes. I say BRING TITHES I say PAY TITHES Guess who else says that? GOD ALMIGHTY - Malachi 3:8-10 AND JESUS CHRIST. - Matthew 23:23 The folks robbing God in Tithes say. "Don't pay tithes" Guess who says that in the Holy Scriptures? NOT A SINGLE SOUL. THE DEVIL DON'T EVEN SAY DON'T PAY TITHES !!! THAT'S A SHAME.
The brother is on a much higher level biblically than the other guy he is tying scriptue together which is the proper way to look at scripture and this is why so many people don't understand and it fly's over their heads.
Tithe is for the church,10% goes to the priestthe rest 90% goes the other church folks like the widow,the orphans,the strangers,the poor,this tithe was God's welfare plan to the entire community not the pastor's money as is seen today,in the old testament it was food,oil,meat ,not money ,today we give money because not all are farmers,so money given as tithe should get thesame benefit of this welfare economy.today pastor's do enrich themselves fabulously with this tithe doctrine which is the wrong application.
Biblically money is associated with evil. One should think what the bible is saying about the love of money. The priest gave Judas Three shillings to betray the Lord Jesus Christ of which was the money collected in the Temple. Not sure what is the mark of the beast is in the book of Revelations but I suspect could be money as most transactions in the world today needs money. If we read Deuteronomy 14 : 22 -29, the key words orphrases are Eat, Exchange for Silver and Use the silver to BUY whatever you like. I think we should concern ourselves with the salvation rather that being decieved by pastors who get rich by misusing the scriptures about tithe.
Tithing in d old testament was Judaism (law)...to is Christianity (grace) ROM 6:12-14 ...TELL ME WHERE IN THE (NEW TESTAMENT) JESUS ASKED OR TOOK TITHE, WHERE PAUL,PETER AND OTHERS TO TITHES...TITHE IN CHRISTIANITY TODAY IS FRAUDULENT PERIOD...
As a new creation in Christ we have been dead to the old sinful nature as well as dead to the law. The new creation supposed to live in the way of the Spirit. His body is now the temple of the God and he is now royal priesthood. The tithe the church taught and give today is not the same as under Mose’s Law which are edible products. The tithe the modern day church taught is a voluntary and not compulsory and there has been lots of incorrect teaching that the new creation in Christ must wake up. Christ has abolished in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations (Ephesians 2:15). Christ is the end of the law (Romans 10:4). By calling the covenant “new” , he made the first one obsolete and that is why the temple was destroyed in AD 70 (Hebrews 8:13). The new and the old can not be mixed together. Too many new creation are living as if God still demanding them to keep what He has abolished. The Son of God has already fulfilled for us all and He has put an end to the law of Mose and our sin God remember no more. There is no more priests and no more animals sacrifice required since Christ has fulfilled and sat down at the right hand of God. Wake up we are living under the new covenant which is far better than the old so why go back there when God has left that covenant.
10 % of your income.for the store house , I will open windows of heaven.the old testament and the new testament a one.the old testament is pointing to the new testament
The Old Testament and the New Testament are totally different. They are different in principles: Law & Grace respectively. The Law principles governed the nation of Israel and Grace govern the Church....understand the differences in principles is key to freedom
I used to be a Oneness Pentecostal, I was baptised in the Bibleway Church in London, England in 1988 and left in 1989, when I became a Trinitarian and I then started to evangelise cults. I now have 1,415 videos uploaded to UA-cam of my telephone discussions with British Jehovah's Witness (JW) elders separated into geographical regions within the UK. I also have another 100 videos or so of my telephone discussions with British United Pentecostal Church, Bibleway, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World and True Jesus Church pastors in the Oneness Pentecostal playlist. I also have another 100 or so videos of my discussions with UK based pro-tithing pastors often within sects such as Winners Chapel and the RCCG.
1 Corinthians 7:6
If you want to give the Tithe do it, if you want to give offerings do it. Just do it with a cheerful heart.
i thank GOD I HAVE THE BIBLE AND I CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND, THERE IS NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE WHERE TITHING IS MONEY
Tithing has at least (3) Forms of Payment in the Holy Scriptures.
1. Produce and Livestock - Deuteronomy 14:23
and Tithes can be turned into money.
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deuteronomy 14:22
Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deuteronomy 14:25
Money answers all things. Money answers for produce. Money answers for livestock.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19
Jesus Christ did not destroy the Law and the Prophets and never eliminated the Tithes, but told us, "Ye ought to pay Tithe" and fulfilling the Law and Prophets he added, to the Tithe, judgment, mercy and faith.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23:23
The Command is to Bring all the Tithes into his House.
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Malachi 3:10
The Church of the living God the Pillar and Ground of Truth is The House of God.
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:15
So Jesus Christ did not eliminate the Tithe but added to them.
Since Money answers all things.
Money is the most convenient way established by God to Pay Your Tithes.
YOU ARE WRONG, THERE IS ! THAT TITHE IS REFERRING TO MONEY, READ MY COMMENT FOR ENLIGHTENMENT ...
@@brothacarllovesjesus Why stop short just to prove your viewpoint, let's continue to Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever👉🏿 thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or whatsoever thy soul desireth👈🏿 and thou shalt 👉🏿eat👈🏿 there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household.
Matthew 23:23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of 👉🏿mint and anise and cummin, 👈🏿and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
SPICES not money
Ecclesiastes 10:19 doesn't even mention tithing, it just mentions money.
Malachi 3:10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse(Temple in Jerusalem), that there may be 👉🏿meat👈🏿(food) in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not👉🏿 open you the windows of heaven,(Rain see Gen 7:11-12) and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be👉🏿 room enough to receive it.👈🏿
This is about horticulture and having such a great harvest of crops that your land is too small to hold it, not some allegorical principle about money, if it were, how would the church bank account be to small to receive it? The actual brick and mortar temple was destroyed in AD 70 by the Romans, so how is this possible now? Let's see what/who is the Temple of God now
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that 👉🏿ye are the temple of God,👈🏿 and that the👉🏿 Spirit of God dwelleth in you?👈🏿
17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, 👉🏿which temple ye are.👈🏿
1 Corinthians 3:8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9For we are labourers together with God: 👉🏿ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
@@AKMDUB Because money is not the issue with God or the Tithe. Worship is the issue with the Tithe.
Those who don't want to pay tithes base their objections on the Law.
So they say, "In the Law tithes was not money".
Deuteronomy 14:26 Shows that money was present.
How did they get the money?
From the Tithes. - Deuteronomy 14:22-25
Therefore, they that say Tithes was never money are on a dead end street.
Why?
Because these are the people who also say, "Grace Giving" is what is commanded in the new Testament.
Bad move !
Why?
Because Grace Giver ain't money either.
Freewill offering=not money - Leviticus 22:23, 29
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. = no money there - 2 Corinthians 9:7
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. = not even the mention of money there either. - 1 Corinthians 16:1, 2
Yet, the Hypocrites give MONEY.
Where did they get that from because in the New Testament the scriptures they use for "Grace Giving" don't have the word : Money, Lucre, Loot, Booty, Change, Dollars, Scratch, Penny, Denali, or any thing saying $MONEY$ in their so called "Grace Giving" scriptures.
But they bring money.
Why?
Because it ain't 10% of their increase.
They feel justified with a $20.00 drop in the offering plate.
But if they have to drop in $500.00 per pay check in the offering from 10 percent of the Gross Income,
Then the cry from the people to God is,
"TITHES WAS NEVER MONEY !"
Hyprocrites.
And the scriptures prove folks to be Hypocrites.
Because they sing, "O how I love Jesus" but when it comes to worshipping Jesus in Spirit and in Truth,
They deny the Truth that Jesus Christ the Author and finisher of our faith says,
"Ye tithe...these ought ye have done" - Matthew 23:23
But you don't tithe, even when Jesus Christ says you ought to.
Hypocrites !!!
How?
Because Jesus never said. "ye tithe, do that no more !"
@@brothacarllovesjesus So we worship God with money? I thought it was with spirit and truth.
They exchanged their tithe (food) for money, because it was too heavy to carry to Jerusalem, they then purchased food and drink when they got there. The text is clear, it becomes muddied when we add or subtract from it.
Your argument towards me is riddled with presupposition, I never said anything against giving, but there is no tithing ordinance in the Law that says to bring money, I double dare you to find one without twisting scripture to fit your point. Giving on the other hand offers freedom of the substance you give and how much of it you give, hence purposed in your own heart, which takes away the notion of 10%. Jesus also never told any gentile to tithe either, he was talking to Pharisees, which was a sect from rabbinic Judaism who put their traditions above the actual laws of God, you know, kind of like passing around a bucket in a building asking people for 10% of their ongoing income, which can be found nowhere in scripture.
Tithing is an illegal transaction. It was never a financial issue
The more I listen to the pro-tithe speaker, the more I realise how cursed the tithers are.
They in too deep. I was too. Stopped “tithing” almost a year ago.
Guilt for not keeping a law we aren't supposed to keep 😢. Jesus became the Curse for us ~Galatians 3. You can't keep the other 600+ laws either. Give your best gift 2 Corinthians 9.
pls call on Pastor Abel Damina from Nigeria to throw more light
That false teacher that says Mary Didn’t Give Birth To Jesus.
Nobody needs that kind of man here
Here In Nigeria, Pastors don't preach about salvation again, all they preach is sowing of seed and tithe. Christianity in Nigeria is Business, where people are using the name of God and faking miracles to make billions money of from the poor.
This means that these thieves have been stealing from the ignorant all these years.
I saw this debate when it initially aired.
Honestly, this debate should have been at least one week long because there is so much more information that Dr. Kelly could have mentioned but didn't due to time constraints. If this would have been a longer forum, it would have transitioned from a "debate" into a teaching session because Dr. Kelly would have been teaching this ignorant pastor. Had it been a longer session, this pastor would have eventually realized just how unequipped and unprepared he really was.
Tithe debates continues even when the bible is clear
Isn’t another principle of God not to borrow money? But yet our churches are over their heads in debt and therefore we spend most of the money to keep a building and property maintained. Is this how we’re to use this so called tithe? I don’t think so. I believe in giving but to call people robbers of a God based on the clear misinterpreting of Malachi is sinful.
You misslead many people if you believe in your own principle black brother Its should not your own principle but rather the BIBLE's principle..tithing was under the law of moses..remembr that there are 12 tribes of israel and one is the trive of levites that was responsible for the tabernacle or temple..and the 11 trives must give there 10percent to the children of levi because they dont work outside they are in charge of the priesthood (numbers 18:21-26) so its clear 10 percent was under the law...Now christ came so we are under jesus crhist principle not moses..(Hebreo 7:5-12.) The priesthood was being changed and also there was a changed of the law... so according to paul in (1corinthians 16:2) (2corinthians 9:7)..this must be exercise by the church that every man give as he purposeth in his heart.Amen...malachi chapter 3 also was speaking to the children of israel..not to the modern or as christians..
You've typed so.much. and left Abram(Abraham) and Jacob out which the black brother spoke of. And those were not under the law either. He said so repeatedly. You still think it's his own principle?
i BELIEVE THE TITHE PREACHED IN CHURCHES THAT BELIEVE IN IT IS NOT FROM GOD.WRONG SPIRIT. WE MUST FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST WHO CAME IN POVERTY NOT BORN IN LUXURY. JESUS NEVER ASKED TO HAVE BUILDING
God bless who he want to bless. Money don’t make you receive blessing. If u wake up every day you are blessed. Jesus gave to the poor, so why we not helping the poor with the tithes. If you want to be Blessed, have a clean heart, and be Christ like
Tithing is a command from God.
if you don't pay Tithes and Offerings you rob God.
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Malachi 3:8-10
Tithing has at least (3) Forms of Payment in the Holy Scriptures.
1. Produce and Livestock - Deuteronomy 14:23
and Tithes can be turned into money.
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deuteronomy 14:22
Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deuteronomy 14:25
Money answers all things. Money answers for produce. Money answers for livestock.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19
Jesus Christ did not destroy the Law and the Prophets and never eliminated the Tithes, but told us, "Ye ought to pay Tithe" and fulfilling the Law and Prophets he added, to the Tithe, judgment, mercy and faith.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23:23
The Command is to Bring all the Tithes into his House.
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Malachi 3:10
The Church of the living God the Pillar and Ground of Truth is The House of God.
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:15
So Jesus Christ did not eliminate the Tithe but added to them.
Since Money answers all things.
Money is the most convenient way established by God to Pay Your Tithes.
I am responding to this video in four parts because of limits or words in comments:
(Part 1 of 4) If we try to follow each and every one of the old laws then the Bible tells us we shall remain under the old laws that we as people can not be able fulfill all the old laws, and then shall those people remain under the old curses and not under the Grace of Jesus, we need to be practical in the way we do things naturally of course, and some things that are taught are practical but consider the following that I write about, and some Bible verses are shown below for you to read to see what the Bible has written in it. 1. The Bible tells us that God commanded that only plants and animals be given for tithing, 2. In the Bible we can read that God commanded that if a person had money when they were at the place to tithe that they were to take the money and buy what their soul longeth to eat and bring those edible things only for tithing and not to give money for tithing, 3. To give money for tithing is actually the breaking of God's laws and commandments that were given in the Bible as mentioned beforehand, 4. To continue to follow the old laws of the Bible then, in the new testament it tells us that you then remain under the old curse and are not under the Grace of Jesus, 5. In Hebrews 7 the Bible tells us that the old laws were weak and unprofitable for us and that the laws were disannulled and the priesthood was changed through Jesus because the priests had to offer up sacrifices daily but Jesus only needed to offer himself up only once for us, 6. If ministers tell people we are still under the old laws of giving, then why do they not preach all the laws that were commanded for giving such as redeeming your property, and paying money for your sin offering, and paying a certain amount of money every year according to your age and gender, etc. ? 7. The Bible tells us we are to give Free Will offerings now, 8. The word tithe means basically 10% of something, but in the Bible tithing was done regarding several different things or different years so the giving of tithes was much more then 10% of the things, 9. Tithing in the Bible was only done a few certain times of the year, not every week !, 10. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek from the spoils of war and not from any wages earned, further if you read elsewhere in the Bible we can read that Abraham had received from a King the amount of 1000 pieces of silver and animals and land, but if you read the Bible there is no where in the Bible that states Abraham tithed anything from the 1000 pieces of silver or animals or land that he received.
Ron V. Too much info bro. I tried but couldn’t finish reading.
@@jlar1984 What I wrote is not much to read compared to reading the whole Bible ! But, I hope you understand that tithing was done away by God in the Bible, money was forbidden to be used for tithing by God, Jesus sacrifice fulfilled the law, etc.
I shoder at the thought that these are the men leading people with thier false doctrine on tithing
It's scary.
The brother pushing tithing, started by saying that tithing was from Abram and not the law.
Now he uses Mal 3 (tithe law) to enforce tithing before the law?
Here is why.
The Law has a purpose.
Look at the scriptures:
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:19
So by the very scriptures those that are the seed of Abraham pay tithes because of worship to God just like Abraham.
Yet, after Abraham a Law was added because of the transgressions of men until Abraham's seed (The Born Again Saints) should come.
Do we transgress God's commandments?
Yes.
What isTransgression?
Sin.
Robbing God is sin because it breaks God's Law that was added after Abraham but present with his seed today.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4
Therefore, we know what God's commandments are and by his Holy Spirit we can walk in God and obey the Law. - Galatians 5:16, 22, 23
This is why we don't continue in sin.
Because Grace gives us time to keep Jesus Christ commandments before we go into the judgement.
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7:12
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:15
So we pay tithes because Jesus Christ says. "ye pay tithes...these ye ought to have done" - Matthew 23:23
@@brothacarllovesjesus I think your missing something. Jesus endorsed tithing because when he said it, he had yet to go to the cross which ushered in the new covenant so he was still under the law. Also, Abraham was not commanded to "tithe" but he did so voluntarily. I have heard from a theologian that he only gave 10% of his spoils not his whole fortunes.
@@MrJerry8159 You contradict the Bible.
The Tithe is from Abraham in the Promise. - Hebrews 7:2, 6
The Law cannot disannul the Promise so the Levites received and paid tithes in Abraham in the Law - Galatians 3:17; Hebrews 7:6, 8-10
We are the seed of Abraham in Christ so we also pay tithes in Abraham being heirs according to the promise. - Galatians 3:29
Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Testament who brought in grace and truth with his ministry. - Luke 3:23; Numbers 4:3; Matthew 3:15; John 1:17
Jesus Christ laid the foundation of the Gospel being the Son of God and the testator of the New Testament yet the New Testament had no power while he was alive,
be he completed the work of the doctrine that he was given by the father as the Apostle of our profession. - 1 Corinthians 3:11; Mark 1:1; Hebrews 9:16; John 17:4; John 7:16, 17; Hebrews 3:1
Once Jesus Christ died, everything he said, "IS NOW IN FORCE" - Hebrews 9:17
Everything he said is now in force including the Tithe. - Matthew 23:23
And since Jesus Christ never took the Tithe out being the Testator of the New Testament his will stands so YOU CAN'T TAKE THE TITHE OUT EITHER !
We that are the heirs according to the promise pay tithes (a tenth of all) after the example of Abraham, just like the others in promise (Jacob) did, and the Levites in the Law who received and paid tithes in Abraham even before they were born. - Hebrews 7:8-10
With your position of robbing God and not paying tithes to make that position valid with the Testament that is now in force you would need to show book, chapter and verse with the mediator of the New Testament telling us not pay tithes, cease to pay tithes, the tithes were nailed to the cross, or the tithes was done away with.
But you have no scripture in the 31, 102 verses of the Holy Bible and you know it.
You and anyone else not paying tithes are violating the Will and Testament of Jesus Christ our Lord which is in force to this very day from the beginning of this dispensation of grace. - Matthew 23:23; Hebrews 9:17; Ephesians 3:2-6
@@brothacarllovesjesus No matter how much we may disagree doctrinally, I do believe we are Christian brothers in the faith and my intent is not to start to pick apart your points w/ counterpoints of which I could do. My desire is not to get into a debate over this as you clearly are emotionally engaged in your comments to me especially towards the end. That's ok but it's not something I wish to engage in as emotions tend to cancel out logic. This is true of you, me and all of us. I would only say this though. Once I saw the truth, I could not and will not go back to tithing which I have done my whole life up until 2 years ago. I am 67 so done a lot of tithing and offerings in my life. I of course still do give to the church in money, time and talents however, just not a tithe. I would encourage you if you can look with an open mind to read 2 Cor. chapters 8 and 9 the first 10-12 scriptures and ask yourself if this sounds like a tithe at all. Finally, I also encourage you to listen to many other articles and youtube videos which will give the opposite view of yours. I have heard tithing preached all my life and until I heard the other side I didn't know the truth. Either it will open up your understanding or you may, in looking at it with an open mind be of your same opinion still. The main thing is to take out all emotion and keep an open mind. Again, I did not come on here to get into a debate as I don't have the time and it does get time consuming. There is something we all need to give each other in a spirit of love and that is margin for differences of belief. I allow that and hope to receive the same. I do wish you God's blessing as you follow the Holy Spirit's guidence.
@@MrJerry8159 You cannot disagree with what is Written. - Deuteronomy 4:2
You can only disagree with what is not written. - 1 Timothy 4:1
So there ain't no debate. You don't have a position in Holy Scripture to merit a debate !
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Romans 15:4
I will oppose all doctrine of devils. Your doctrine is not written no where in Holy Scripture. - Malachi 3:8
Even the Devil ain't stupid enough to be recorded in the Holy Scriptures saying, "Do not pay tithes !"
And he the devil.
He just make you all do it because he trembling at the thought of that one - James 2:19
We as the saints of God are trying to find out where you guys got this damnable heresy from. - 2 Peter 4:1
But you won't tell us where "Do not pay tithes is written", You worst than the Trinity folks. They can't tell us where Trinity is written either. But both of you all still preach and teach what ain't written in Holy Scripture.
You all with these damnable heresies preach and teach them like we can now turn in our bibles to the Book of, Chapter of, and Verse of this, that and the other. But you all have no Holy Scripture book, chapter or verse.
Jesus Christ don't stand for no false doctrine, never have and never will. - Matthew 22:29
Jesus Christ always gave us the Authority of where he got the doctrine he said, "IT IS WRITTEN" - Matthew 4:4
You know that it is not written, "Do not pay Tithes", or anything like.
Yet, you will preach and teach this?
If the way the Holy Ghost is explaining to you the Gospel Truth now in this life is too harsh or too real for you.
What til the Judgement.
REPENT.
You can't rob God. And ya'll teaching folks to rob God? - Malachi 3:8
REPENT.
Look at this world now cursed with a curse. - Malachi 3:9
And you all looking around like well, this Covid-19, this economic clash and 50 million folks who lost their jobs, with these hoodlums burning down cities and taking over city blocks is just one of those things.
But it can't be that we cursed with a curse. - Malachi 3:9
And you guys are instigated tempting God to fulfil his word on this and every nation by robbing God who told you want he was going to do !
Yet, you still teaching folks to rob God, without a verse, 1/2 verse, clause or passage.
Produce the scripture or SIT DOWN.
I am not your Brother. You cannot rob the Lord God and call me your brother. I FEAR GOD ! - Genesis 42:18
I obey God.
You obeying the flesh and your financial portfolio. (Let's give them grace giving so folks will feel better about giving and we can get the money that way) ! You don't negotiate with God's word. You obey God's word.
REPENT.
PAY YOUR TITHES AND OFFERINGS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
What we have belongs to God anyway so it says he loves cheerful giver
(Part 4 of 4) The many verses I have written show that: 1. God found the law as stated in the Bible to be weak and unprofitable as shown in scripture. 2. God disannulled the law as shown in scripture (thus it was the ending the giving of edible tithes). 3. I have been accused of saying that tithes were never given in the Bible, but I have never said that tithes of edible things were not given under the law before, but I do say that money was not to be given for tithing based on scripture that I have shown. So the person that said that I said tithes were never given in the Bible has stated a complete lie against me. 4. The many scripures I have shown show that the law was changed, the law was disannulled, Jesus fulfilled the law for us, by the priesthood being changed the laws were changed, etc. 5
I know tithing thinking people will not accept any of these things from the Bible scriptures and they will continue to say they practice the old laws of tithing except they change God's word of giving only edible things to now the giving of money even though the Bible says not to give money and the Bible also says not to change God's word !
I have even now had a tithing thinking person say that the Jewish people do not understand the old testament about tithing, WOW ! I have heard some tithing ministers say at different times: that if you do not tithe do not come to their church because the seats are only for tithing people, or if you do not tithe you will die, or if you do not tithe you will have a divorce, or if you do not tithe the minister would like to kill you, I heard one minister say that he was looking for some place in the Bible that would say he could kill people that said bad things about him, or say that if you do not tithe you will lose your job, or I have seen a church I visited that the tithing people received special prayer from the minister while the other people did not, etc., does this like a love for money ? Of course on the other hand I have heard a tithing minister say if you gave him $4,000 he will tell God to let you and your whole family into heaven (he preaches buying salvation it seems), or when you tithe you will receive 100 times back that from God (apartently he preaches God drops money from Heaven ?), or give tithes and you will get rich (yes I have seen a few people that gave 10% of their money claim to get rich with their work but would they have gotten rich amy way ? , but on the other hand I have seen so many people tithe and be so poor, for instance an old retired couple that was asked to speak in church about their giving tithes and they said they gave tithes all their lives and were able to have enough money left over to buy and eat macaroni and cheese and other cheap foods), or a minister that kept telling people to give tithes and they would get rich was confronted by the people telling him they were not getting rich and he told them they just had to keep believing and giving tithes to get rich (some one did get rich eventually as I saw when that minister said he had enough money now that he was retiring from the ministry and buying a bunch of land and have a resort), anyway it alsways seems like they tell people to give the money and they will get rich or that you are robbing from God sometimes.
[Deu 14:25 NLT] 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the LORD your God has chosen.
[1Co 10:11 KJV] 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
[1Co 10:11 NLT] 11 These things happened to them as examples for us. They were written down to warn us who live at the end of the age.
The Lord God cannot truly bless tithing that is done by the letter of scripture because it is done as a religious rule, and usually is lacking with joy and cheerfulness (the fruit of the Spirit).
Tithing done by the prompting of the Holy Spirit, God will honor and bless ("Those who are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God").
This is why one MUST be born of God's Spirit, knowing that the righteousness that comes from self profits nothing.
So then, tithing is not a matter of whether it is right or not. It is a matter of what gives life ("The flesh profits NOTHING, it is the Spirit that gives life").
God is not dumb. God meant money when indeed money is needed. God also asks for specific things whether gold, silver, food wine, maize, bull, sheep, goat, etc. As New Testament Believers, do we bring our firstborn to Jerusalem thrice every years with the accompanying twenty shekels as stated in the Law of Moses. If we need monies to run the Church, we should devise a proper means of funding to do so. But we should not do so under the disguised of tithe or tithing. Those who say Abram tithed, wasn't he by then unbeliever before God change him into Abraham? And also those who say Jacob tithed, was he not a deceitful person by then bargaining with God and that God accepted him after he had been changed into Israel? Lastly who are the Levites, the Priests, and the Chief Priest of the New Testament - Who should pay tithe to who because the Apostles, the Prophets, the Evangelist and the Pastors and Teachers had not been instructed to collect tithes. They are to be done a double honor as we give with faith. The old testament people did not live in faith the pay according to the Law and according to Grace.
(Part 2 of 4) My question is then why would anyone want to try to give money for tithing since it appears that this is actually disobeying God's commandments written in the Bible, and you would remain under the old curses and not under Grace as written in the Bible, and it appears you would be telling God that he does not have the authority to disannull his laws, and it appears you would be denying Jesus's priesthood and sacrifice of himself for us as the ultimate sacrifice only needed once and once only, so why would anyone what to do this ? Yes, give offerings to support your church, give 10% or 1%, or 50% or whatever, but the money is a Free Will offering and not a tithe. The old law of giving 10 % of your increase (the tithe) of crops and animals was Holy in the Old Testament as it was required by law by God's laws that God gave to mankind, and yes that tithe of the old testament was Holy, however, there is no place in the Bible that states to give 10% of your monthly income of money in the Bible at all either in the Old Testament or New Testament, and that is the error that people are being taught by some tithing ministers that money is to be given for tithing. A Bible College Professor in Florida once wrote a document about tithing, in such document he states that giving the 10% tithe in the Bible was and has always been regarding only edible things and not giving money for tithing and that there is no place in the Bible that states that money is to be given for tithing. There are many other ministers that also preach that the tithe was always edible things according to God's law of what to give for tithing and not money. I have even heard a Jewish Rabbi lecture that the Jewish tithe from the old testament was always edible things from the land or animals, I can not think of anyone that would know more about the old laws of the old testament about tithing then a Rabbi, further the Rabbi stated that the act of giving money for tithing is something that only some Christian ministers have come up with to get money from people and that to give money for tithing is not Biblical according to the old testament. Yes, people in the old testament sometimes gave offerings also of money or gold, etc., but the things given were given as free offerings.
(Part 3 of 4) The new testament tells us we are to give FREE WILL OFFERINGS, so if a person gives 5% or 10% or 50% or 100% of their monetary income that money is a FREE WILL OFFERING and not a tithe even if 10% of the money was given. I have asked a few tithing preaching ministers as well as some non tithing ministers have also asked where in the Bible it states to give money for tithing in any part of the Bible and no tithing minister has been able to show this any where in the old or new testament. And that is why it appears some people that may have read part of the Bible have not read the whole Bible it seems. If you have read the Bible then you should be knowledgeable that there is no place in any part of the Bible that says money was to be given for tithing, just try and look it up yourself and you will see it can not be found. You ask for some verses in the new testament , please read Hebrews, Chapter 7, verse 5 "And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" and verse 11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and be called after the order of Aaron ?" and verse 12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." verse 18 and 19 where it is written "For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof." "For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God", and 26 and 27, "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens." "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself." Or, Romans 10 verse 4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteous to every one that believeth." and Matthew 5 verse 17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Romans 6 verse 14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 7 verse 6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." Romans 10 verse 4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believth." 2nd Corinthians verse 20 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." and 23 "But every man in his own order Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Also, Galations Chapter 3, verses 10 to 14, "10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14. That the blessings of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
In Deuteronomy Chapter 14 verses 24-26 is where God instructs people not to bring any money for tithing,“24.And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25. Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26. And thou shalt bestow that money for whatssoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household.”
The question should be ,is it in order to condemn Christians who don't tithe?
No
Athough the word tithe wasn't mentioned in the new testament books but it never taught us not to tithe anymore or was there really a teaching that abrogate the tithe command? no. there's no written record show that the tithing law has been abrogated. if there's anyone who has the authority to abrogate it must be jesus since he is our Lord and not anyone else. do we find any verse states that Jesus teaches us not to tithe?
Have you received the baptism of the holy ghost SINCE you believed???
This gut is pushing a narative that we should change our attitude toward tithe, but all I hear is giving cheerfully from him.
He is confusing with his doctrines of "tithing" under grace.
“THIS IS HOW YOU DETERMINE IF NOT PAYING TITHES AND OFFERINGS IS MAN’S COMMAND OR GOD’S COMMAND”.
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
ROMANS 3:4
FALSE DOCTRINE WILL TEACH THAT THE TITHES IS ONLY FOR:
“THE ISRAELITES UNDER THE LAW FOR A SPECIFIC TIME AND PLACE”
THIS IS FALSE: (JACOB, “ISRAEL” WAS NOT UNDER THE LAW, JACOB PAID TITHES, BEFORE THE LAW AND HE WASN’T IN JERUSALEM).
And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
GENESIS 28:20-22
“IT WAS NOT MONEY”
THIS IS FALSE: (TITHES COULD BE MONEY)
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
DEUTERONOMY 14:22
Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
DEUTERONOMY 14:25
APOSTLES’ DOCTRINE TEACHES US THAT:
WE ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM IN CHRIST JESUS AND HEIRS TO THE PROMISE.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
GALATIANS 3:29
THE LAW THAT WAS 430 YEARS AFTER THE PROMISE, CANNOT DISANNUL (MAKE VOID) THE PROMISE.
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
GALATIANS 3:17, 18
ABRAHAM PAID TITHES OF ALL TO MELCHEHISEDEC.
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
HEBREWS 7:1, 2
JESUS CHRIST IS OUR HIGH PRIEST AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHISEDEC.
So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
HEBREWS 5:5, 6
SO IF YOU ARE THE “NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH” THEN YOU ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM THROUGH CHRIST JESUS,
ABRAHAM PAID TITHES AND SO DOES HIS SEED “THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH” WHO ARE HEIRS OF THE PROMISE.
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
GENESIS 14:18-20
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
HEBREWS 11:14-16
“THIS IS HOW YOU DETERMINE IF NOT PAYING TITHES AND OFFERINGS IS MAN’S COMMAND OR GOD’S COMMAND”.
DOES THE HOLY SCRIPTURES BIBLE TELL US ANYWHERE:
“DO NOT PAY TITHES?” YES OR NO.
IF YOU SAY YES.
PLEASE FIND THE SCRIPTURE AND POST IT FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH.
IF YOU SAY NO. THEN WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT?
“NOT PAYING TITHES” IS MAN READING INTO THE SCRIPTURES TEXT IN AN ATTEMPT TO PUT WORDS IN GOD’S MOUTH.
1. ) MALACHI 3:10, TELLS US TO BRING ALL THE TITHES FOR GOD’S HOUSE.
2. ) 1 TIMOTHY 3:15, TELLS US GOD’S HOUSE IS THE “CHURCH”, OF THE LIVING GOD, THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH.
3. ) DEUTERONOMY 14:25, TELLS US WE CAN TURN IT INTO MONEY.
4. ) MALACHI 3:8, TELLS US THOSE WHO DON’T PAY TITHES AND OFFERINGS ARE ROBBING GOD.
5. ) 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9, 10, TELLS US NOT TO BE DECEIVED BECAUSE THIEVES WILL NOT GO INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
6. ) MATTHEW 4:17 and MARK 1:14, 15, JESUS CHRIST TELLS US THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS HEAVEN.
7. ) JOHN 1:1, JOHN 1:14. and JOHN 1:17, TELLS US JESUS CHRIST IS GOD FROM THE BEGINNING, WHO WAS THEN LATER MADE FLESH.
8. ) JESUS CHRIST, THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH, ADDRESSES “TITHES” ONLY ONCE IN THE ENTIRE 31, 102 VERSES OF THE HEBREW PRESERVED MASORETIC AND GREEK ANTIOCH TEXT OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES BIBLE PRESERVED IN THE AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE.
WHAT DID JESUS CHRIST SAY ABOUT TITHES?
9. ) JESUS CHRIST TELLS US WE “OUGHT TO PAY TITHES”
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
MATTHEW 23:23
10. ) WE "OUGHT TO OBEY" GOD RATHER THAN MEN
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
ACTS 5:29
AMEN AND AMEN.
"Tow it, push it, roll your old junk car over here and we will pay $8,972.56 for your trade in. GUARANTEED!!!"
Believe me. Trust me. GOD TOLD ME TO TELL YOU TO GIVE ME 10% OF EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.
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These folks are Thieves robbing God in Tithes.
I say BRING TITHES
I say PAY TITHES
Guess who else says that?
GOD ALMIGHTY - Malachi 3:8-10
AND JESUS CHRIST. - Matthew 23:23
The folks robbing God in Tithes say. "Don't pay tithes"
Guess who says that in the Holy Scriptures?
NOT A SINGLE SOUL.
THE DEVIL DON'T EVEN SAY DON'T PAY TITHES !!!
THAT'S A SHAME.
The brother is on a much higher level biblically than the other guy he is tying scriptue together which is the proper way to look at scripture and this is why so many people don't understand and it fly's over their heads.
Wrong answer
Tithe is for the church,10% goes to the priestthe rest 90% goes the other church folks like the widow,the orphans,the strangers,the poor,this tithe was God's welfare plan to the entire community not the pastor's money as is seen today,in the old testament it was food,oil,meat ,not money ,today we give money because not all are farmers,so money given as tithe should get thesame benefit of this welfare economy.today pastor's do enrich themselves fabulously with this tithe doctrine which is the wrong application.
Biblically money is associated with evil. One should think what the bible is saying about the love of money. The priest gave Judas Three shillings to betray the Lord Jesus Christ of which was the money collected in the Temple. Not sure what is the mark of the beast is in the book of Revelations but I suspect could be money as most transactions in the world today needs money. If we read Deuteronomy 14 : 22 -29, the key words orphrases are Eat, Exchange for Silver and Use the silver to BUY whatever you like. I think we should concern ourselves with the salvation rather that being decieved by pastors who get rich by misusing the scriptures about tithe.
Making merchandise of the people of god they have thier reward,
Tithing in d old testament was Judaism (law)...to is Christianity (grace) ROM 6:12-14 ...TELL ME WHERE IN THE (NEW TESTAMENT) JESUS ASKED OR TOOK TITHE, WHERE PAUL,PETER AND OTHERS TO TITHES...TITHE IN CHRISTIANITY TODAY IS FRAUDULENT PERIOD...
Stop hustling believers through scriptures.
Tithe was not about money.it says so that they de food I the store house
As a new creation in Christ we have been dead to the old sinful nature as well as dead to the law. The new creation supposed to live in the way of the Spirit. His body is now the temple of the God and he is now royal priesthood. The tithe the church taught and give today is not the same as under Mose’s Law which are edible products. The tithe the modern day church taught is a voluntary and not compulsory and there has been lots of incorrect teaching that the new creation in Christ must wake up. Christ has abolished in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations (Ephesians 2:15). Christ is the end of the law (Romans 10:4). By calling the covenant “new” , he made the first one obsolete and that is why the temple was destroyed in AD 70 (Hebrews 8:13). The new and the old can not be mixed together. Too many new creation are living as if God still demanding them to keep what He has abolished. The Son of God has already fulfilled for us all and He has put an end to the law of Mose and our sin God remember no more. There is no more priests and no more animals sacrifice required since Christ has fulfilled and sat down at the right hand of God. Wake up we are living under the new covenant which is far better than the old so why go back there when God has left that covenant.
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10 % of your income.for the store house , I will open windows of heaven.the old testament and the new testament a one.the old testament is pointing to the new testament
The Old Testament and the New Testament are totally different. They are different in principles: Law & Grace respectively. The Law principles governed the nation of Israel and Grace govern the Church....understand the differences in principles is key to freedom
I always come back to this debate!!?