@@etherealceleste BBC 3 spreads the most misandric propaganda, which is why I stopped watching BBC and switched to UA-cam and Netflix. 'Britain's Biggest Sexists' got me into Sargon of Akkad.
I am Indian, if I see a American women wearing a Saree or eating briyani or doing Yogasana, it will make me happy that my culture is spreading, I don't understand why anybody should cry about it.
@@marvellousharquebus8064 no I definitely meant you, you basically said this is not cultural appropriation and never said what cultural appropriation is and so I'm led to the conclusion that you have no clue what it is
@TheActivistBook Take the example of the people who were outraged by the American girl who wore a Chinese dress to prom. They were outraged on behalf of people in China, who were fine with it
@The Red-Eyed Baron Is you comment supposed to be directed at me? I am definitely NOT a racist. I think culture should be celebrated. Why should I not be able to eat foreign foods/wear foreign clothes? That in itslef is racist
There is collaboration but it can’t really be seen that way if some of the same cultures that “collaborate” also don’t respect those same people in society and want them out of the country. Because there’s some people that love a curry, a Chinese or whatever cuisine but will still be the same people to want said cultures out of the country.
@@samanthasmith2102 honestly I'm not sure you ever said it I just got the feeling that that's what's his take on it how we met. Okay I pretty much pulled that out of thin air
@@hireaper I think very few people looking into this with any seriousness think the entire left is crazy and extreme, it's just that the right are more eager to distance themselves from their extremes than the left is, and most mainstream media leans left, so the left look more homogenised. some of this odd shit definitely needs calling out by their own lot, kudos to people like Pie for having a pair!
Jonathan pie is my favourite leftist, I don't agree with him on everything he says but he nails it on the snowflake lunacy that as been coming out of the regressive left.
Jack Hurrell He’s left wing. Pie has clearly stated his socialist values. In comparison to leftists (the segment of the left wing population that the triggered memes is aimed at) he’s on the right of them. The value of discussion has never been so apparent in this political landscape, but people shut down the need for this with outrage.
It's my experience that if you dress in another people's traditional clothing, the near universal reaction is flattery. I'm Scottish and if I saw foreigners dressed in a kilt, I'd want to shake their hands buy them a drink!
but that is not what cultural appropriation is. You have to look at the intent. What you're describing is cultural appreciation, and you are right, it should not be considered an issue. A foreigner wearing a kilt could only be considered an act of cultural appropriation if they try to sell it as their own invention, without giving any credit to Scottish people, and especially so, if they had a history of oppressing Scottish people.
@@teamoore6136 Credit doesn't need to be given seperately. It lies in the act of assimiliation. Because why would you take over someones cultural ways if not because they appear superior to what you had before? Also, intent doesn't matter as long as the result of actions is not evil. As long as we do not take away people's freedom to indulge in their culture in the here and now, we can copy it as much as we want. They don't have less because we have more. Live and let live, and let the past be in the past. That's how we get along in the here and now.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, as the saying goes. To distort it into an act of theft is disgusting. When I, a white American, was in Thailand and I told the locals that I was there to study meditation, a core Buddhist practice, they were DELIGHTED...and rightfully so. It was a statement by me that these people had figured out and preserved a valuable area of knowledge that my people didn't understand at all. It was a huge COMPLIMENT, and they understood that. Cultural appropriation is the biggest NON-issue of all time.
@@kevinkibble8342 Incorrect. NYC is the perfect example of Cultural Appropriation. That's why you can get a slice of pizza, a taco, and a Hot Dog on the same block. We used to call it a "Melting Pot", but that doesn't serve the narrative. The attack is ON Western Culture, or these same people would be traveling abroad to scold the more segregated cultures.
@@Nothing2CHere4U Italians are selling the pizza, latinos are selling to tacos, and I suppose anyone could sell the hot dogs not sure, but the point is every culture is selling things from their own culture not stealing from another culture
More like the voice of insanity. Stealing someone's idea or identity without giving credit (as long as that person/state is still alive) = BAD. Its not that complicated. If someone steals all the sombreros in the world and then makes Mexico vanish from the map, and if someone asks what sombreroes are? You say they're 360 baseballcaps. I invented them. Thats cultural appropiation. Deny someone elses effort and get all the credit.
@@khajiithadwares2263 But come on, really! Do people really sit there and tax their brains with this rubbish. White girls wearing their hair in locks, blacks girls straightening their hair. So what!!! Aren't there more important issues at hand in the world right now apart from demonising people practising cultural exchange? Really? This is what bothers you in the grand scheme of things???????? 😨
@@khajiithadwares2263 Since when did Africa become a culture???? It's like saying Asia is a culture!! But no there is Chinese culture, Korean culture, and Indian culture, very different. Let me tell you that most Africans don't actually care about most of this, and I am an African born and raised, we are not in the 1800s!! Plus I heard people were offended by Kim wearing a Fulani hairstyles, so doesn't that mean only fulanis can wear that hairstyle? I am not fulani but my best friend is and we both wear that hairstyle sometimes, so does that mean I am appropriating her culture?? It makes absolutly no sense. It's like Bantu knots. They apparently orignated from the Zulu tribe in South Africa, but I wear them and I am neither Zulu nor South African , am I appropriating Zulu culture. Was Rihanna appropriating Zulu culture when she wore them? Look at Ankara today, we don't wear it like we tradionally do, we wear them in westen styles. We have ankara suits and dresses because it's modern and looks nice, so have we just stolen western culture? Check up Kimono Ankara. That is an ankara style inspired by the Japanese culture, yet it is very popular. It's not culture appropriation its how we as humans thrive. We take inspirations from others and create are own, every things we have today, from hamburgers to our medicine.
As a black person I find the concept of 'cultural appropriation' itself infuriatingly insulting. Who the F*CK decided to make themselves the arbiter of what I am and am not offended by?!! You're welcome to every part of my culture. It's cool as f and that's not me being biased because I'm a snobby North London vegan cyclist who studies Theravada Buddhism and who uses Received Pronunciation ... But Jamaican food is the best tasting food on the planet and proper Reggae music amazing. I loved _'Informer'_ by Snow, Vanilla Ice was actually a decent rapper, I knew Eminem would be a game-changer and I wasn't at all bothered when I found out Rick Astley was white. Plus, half the classic Jungle tunes were made by white people as anyone who went raving in the early 90's knows. As far as looks, in this day and age, it's pure aesthetics. Black people want to be lighter, white people want to be darker ... Crack on, I say.
@@Timbone07 Elvis didnt do that at all. He was a puppet pop star who didnt write one of his own songs or have any control over his own career. Its just a sign of that age. The 50's & 60's white America wasn't ready for black artists to do what Elvis did. To look back from 2022 and make him out to be some devil is mental.
@@ajclannachan I said he basically stole credit. I didn't say he was evil. You are the one jumping the gun. Even the Producer of Star Trek didn't want a Black female cast member. But she was still in it due to pressure from others. It is just how things are. I never used the word evil. I am just pointing out a real case of Hollywood depriving Blacks compared to the current half assed examples of Cultural Appropriation It has nothing to do with Elvis
Well another thing Pie left out (probably due to being unaware) which was that SJWs also believe it somehow erodes/destroys that culture as a result. (They use what happens after making first contact with a isolated tribe, where a year or so later everyone now wears T-shirts and have satellite TV.)
@@Doomwolf82002 this example demonstrate how the concept of cultural appropriation is pure bullshit. Western culture haven't been destroyed because some isolated tribes adopted their culture. It's the exact opposite. The culture of these tribes have been destroyed and replaced by western one. Culture can't be stollen, only chared with or forced to someone. Anyone with a iota of historical knowlege knows that the winners in History are those who succed to spread their culture to their neighbours and not the ones being influenced by their neighbours. A white dude wearing a mexican hat is more close to a victim than the mexican one eating on the next table. Not that I think he is a victim, that's just cultural exchange, but I said that to illustrate how logicless these SJW are...
Pie is occasionally insightful, I don't agree with everything he says but he is spot on with this. As a black person whose moved in many a circle that's contained a fair few white dreadlocked hippie types, I am utterly flummoxed by this cultural appropriation nonsense. Unlike Pie however, I'd posit it to be a millennial issue rather than a "leftist" issue; I say that because this just wasn't a thing at all back in the day. Cultural appropriation seems to be about wanting to take offence for the sake of taking offence. It panders the egos of Starbucks social media activists who want to be known for something, even if that something is being an insufferable crybaby. The nadir of this issue for me is when a LITTLE GIRL was bullied online when her parents posted her in a kimono, doing a pretend Japanese tea ceremony. And as you might've guessed, none of the people taking offence were Japanese.
This is the best comment here by far. It has become fashionable to deride everything people (especially UA-cam commenters) don't like as "leftist", and this in itself leads to a kind of ridiculous whining about being persecuted by some lefty elite that wants to control your thought. Right, because the left is so powerful these days... Speaking of knowing history, a totally (deliberately?) forgotten target of the Nazis, and fascists more generally, in the 20s and 30s were lefties. They were among the first to be send to hard labour camps, and in my native Holland the Nazis' deadly persecution is split roughly 50/50 between Jews and socialists. This is the reason fascists were tolerated, even encouraged: because the true elites don't want to have true lefties, who endanger their wealth, and fascism is a blunt instrument against the forces of socialism, communism and anarchy. I don't care if you're left or right, but at least be a little aware of these things and stop believing in absurd leftist puppet master conspiracies that only make the Oxbridge PPE/E&M crowd that actually inhabits the halls of Westminster cry with laughter. Thanks for the comment.
@@scottbreon9448 What is this infamous "leftism" you so love to hate? Can you define it clearly or is it an inconvenient scapegoat for things you don't like?
Tim LaNE The FAR Left LIBERALISM is center left and not one inch further left True LIBERALS were comedians like George Carlin who HATED political correctness and all that it stood for
@@siphotheizm Well at least you added the systematic in front instead of using the wrong definition of racism. Though most of what people call systematic racism is a socioeconomic issues not racism. And it sure does not help when people try to invent new ways to be offended.
Cultural Appropriation is quite new to me. I first came across it when a young woman decided to wear a lovely Chinese style dress to her prom. She posted a photo online saying something along the lines of she was wearing it in honour of Chinese culture or something like that and the poor thing was set upon and forced to apologise. I just don't get it. One of the great things about living in an multicultural society is we can enjoy aspects of other people's cultures. I love the musical Hamilton where mostly black actors play people that in real life were white. No one accused them of cultural appropriation. I think where we should drawn the line is if someone is making fun of or being generally offensive to the culture in question. People should remain respectful of other people's cultures while also enjoying aspects that they are happy to share in terms of food, fashion, music etc. I also think people should stop being offended on other people's behalf. If people of a culture decides there is something they don't want others to do that is fine. Such as Australian aboriginal people have asked people to no longer climb Uluru (previously known as Ayers Rock.). This is fine and comes under the heading of respecting others people Culture and being respectful of their thoughts and feelings about things belonging to their culture. I would never show disrespect intentionally and would want someone to tell me if something I was doing made them feel uncomfortable for any reason.
Everything you said makes perfect sense, which is why it's so unfortunate that things don't work that way anymore. By design, common sense like that isn't allowed into the discussion anymore. You're right, but the entire world is wrong and getting wronger every week.
@zimzalladim all I meant was where I, personally would draw the line. Not exceptions exactly just something I personally wouldn't do myself and I wouldn't be happy with others doing. We all have our own set of values and this is mine. Yours may be different but I am sure even you would have a line or 2 you wouldn't cross. Or may not, maybe with you anything goes, which is fine. Yes I am for all for free speech and also firmly believe that we all have to take responsibility for what we say and do.
Saddly my introduction to this nonsense was earlier than that. Anyone remember Katy Perry's video in the AMA's from 2013? You know, the one where she put on a performance heavily influenced by Japanese culture? Even went so far as to get an actual o-daiko drum for the performance. That right there shows that she cares and loves japanese culture. The next day, cries of racism abounded. Take her performance to Japan, and an actual japanese is quoted as saying "You can feel the love she has for Japan" and others were astounded to find that she got in trouble.
Ruans Jutz I believe it’s true from the extensive amount of research I’ve done without being blinded by emotions, to truly stop being racist we must get to the point where we stop speaking about it, the idea that certain hair styles is seen as an offensive act is delusional tantamount to calling a black person racist for getting a skin fade because it’s offensive to English people
Getting the sombreros and saying they're from Mexico, they represent mexican culture, it not cultural appropriation. Using a sombreros while doing something bad, attribute it to "the sombrero killer" damaged someone's elses culture.
appropriation is about taking with no real acknowledgement of source...its not really about mixing...you are like many posters here missing a subtle but important point
@@skyblazeeterno No, "appropriating" is about diving and conquer. It's about dividing people, controlling people to create conflict. To what end? I don't know, but somebody is behind this and somebody has an agenda. Still the fools are dancing along to this stupidity.
@@skyblazeeterno You're the one here being racist without realizing it because you think cultures mixing is wrong unless it's under your exact specifications of cultures mixing which (conveniently) makes it where whites are in trouble for being inspired by and mixing with other cultures. Fuckoff.
It's the left who talk about multiculturalism being a great thing, and yet they actively discourage it with this lunacy. Make up your minds... You can't have both. This channel that I run is viewed by people from all over the globe, yet the vast majority of the composers on my channel are/were European. I think it's a great thing that somebody from the other side of the world listens to European music and vice versa.
Yeah the left often shoot themselves in the foot with their blind hypocrisy. The left use emotion to formulate their beliefs and arguments instead of logic.
Is it me or are all the leftist ideas contradictory in a way, because it's like, they want you to do this thing and then when you do it, you're all of the sudden alt right, racist, homophobic and all this other bs
@@marvellousharquebus8064 by rightists I presume you mean capitalists that know how to make an economy flourish and so I presume you're pro socialism judging by what you've noted, equally distributing wealth even if you haven't earned that wealth has never worked out well, it never will
Funny thing is, that's what it was called in elementary school. We had a whole week dedicated to it, didn't know we were all tiny little racists, I thought we were learning about other cultures 🤔
Im a White guy I went down to my local Indian takeaway and asked if they thought I was being racist for buying their food...They looked at me like I was retarded and needed hospitalization lol all this shit is from White people and White people alone.
Well spoken. I suppose you don't mind my using your language instead of Dutch? ;-) Best wishes from the Netherlands. (If you want, you may speak in Dutch to me, I won't consider it to be cultural appropriation.) I love to listen to piobaireachd music and to music by John Dunstaple and William Byrd, or is that cultural appropriation? ;-)
From what I gather most Japanese also appreciate when others explore their culture, like wearing kimono and such. As long as it's done with respect I see no problem with any culture exploring and incorporating parts of other cultures. To me it only becomes a problem when it is done with the purpose of making fun of or putting down other people.
@@ajdegroot1980 it only becomes a problem when... Feelings. It's all about hurt feelings. That is why stand-up comedy is dying. No sense of humor anymore just soul crushing pc nonsense.
Yes, the whiskey is now rated number one worldwide(remember FooYuk on James Bond?), Suntory wine is great every time and the trains arrive, arrive on time and are clean. In one generation after the devastation of the war they were making cars as good as the Germans and watches as good as the Swiss. And don't be misled. Under the shirt and tie the culture still throbs and with it own problems.@@MrWhiskeycricket
Ancient Japan borrowed a lot from Chinese culture, and modern China now is borrowing a lot from the entire world including Japan .. it's a continuous cycle of giving and taking that makes the best bits of each culture survive beyond the culture itself, to try and stop that is pretty insane.
Back in the early 80s and growing up in a multicultural city, we had black and Indian friends, loved UB40, The Beat, The Specials. We wore Trilby hats and Rasta scarves and black, asian and white fans all danced together at the gigs. It would never in a million years have occurred to us that we were 'culturally appropriating ' anything. It was one big party, and if anyone had conmented about the colour of a person's skin or their ethnicity we would have been genuinely confused. I really despair at the current message that is being rammed in our faces, and all it will do in the end is create division where there used to be unity. It is brutal and sad.
I remember when Coldplay got backlash for their Hymn for the Weekend video for being insensitive to Indian culture. Two things 1) The video was actually SHOT in India 2) It's arguably one of the most beautiful music videos in existence, and to think Indians would be offended by being portrayed as a vibrant, wholesome country, as that video did, is utter horseshit.
The flipside of racial hatred is racial condescension. The brown folk are looked down upon fondly as harmless well-meaning imbeciles instead of being looked down upon contemptuously as rapacious criminal idiots. Either way of dehumanization of others only ever succeeds in dehumanizing those viewing others through the supremacist lensing... Just as demonising others only makes those doing so, demonic.
That turns out to be a myth. Pasta was invented by the Greeks and popularized by the Romans and later the Arabs. Spaghetti was developed in the Middle Ages, but owes nothing to Marco Polo's writings.
@@DieFlabbergast you are clearly wrong-thinking right now, sorry but I'm going to have to report you to my local commissar you're stepping out of line
@@DieFlabbergast "Pasta was invented by the Greeks and popularized by the Romans and later the Arabs. Spaghetti was developed in the Middle Ages" Cultural appropriation overload right there!!!
Love the points he makes, very good! About the Canadian art exhibition: the problem as it was presented in the news was actually that Indigenous people have a really hard time getting recognition for their art and getting paid, but this artist who imitated their style was able to get an exhibition all of its own even though it's such an uphill batlle for Indigenous people. We have a deep problem with cultural erasure in Canada of our Indigenous. They still represent a quarter of prisoners because of racism and how we've been keeping them in poverty, stealing their children (literally), putting them in reform schools where we found out last year hundreds of unaccounted children's skeleton buried in the back of them, an Indigenous woman was unknowingly sterilized in BC less than 5 years ago, they have bad access to healthcare if at all, terrible housing conditions (no running water, sewage, etc) and so on. It's very systematic and even last week when we talked about it my husband and I, we asked ourselves: 'Do we even know the names of famous Indigenous people? Or do we even know how to pronounce their names?' The answer is a resounding 'No' for almost all Canadians. That needs to change. Yes, cultural appropriation goes too far at times. It is great to share the best parts of each other's cultures. But I understand why the Indigenous would be absolutely pissed at this exhibition that was yet another way they get something taken away from them.
All valid points about indigenous people being discriminated against, all still not the fault of an artist who IS interested and inspired by indigenous culture and incorporating it into his work. Artists - and believe me I'm one myself so I know this - seek recognition, and in his case that means getting an exposition at a decent art gallery. Artists make what they like and what inspires them, and they want to show their work. That's all this guy did, but he got accused of a hate crime for it, because there are other artists who aren't as lucky as him to get their work noticed and exhibited. Look, if you want to make an argument about indigenous people being owed a more respected position in society, make that argument, and make it to the curators and gallery owners who refuse to show those works. Don't pick on an artist who clearly has nothing but respect for your culture and would probably be there right now to fight by your side for more recognition for your culture if you'd given him the chance before the twittergestapo decided he was Adolf Hitler personified.
So glad to come across you as I was scrolling down - I have exactly the same viewpoint about the situation here in Australia, with First People’s art being aped casually, for profit, whilst many suffer discrimination, deprivation & inordinate jailing. Most Aboriginal art has meaning beyond its appearance, has spiritual significance - it can represent stories that ‘belong’ to individuals in an incredibly ancient oral tradition. Taking the marks of it & just reusing them for yourself is to misunderstand & disrespect(at best)
Liam B Agreed. The BBC takes so much bullshit from people, but the quality of their journalism is superb. The people bashing the BBC never actually listen to great content like BBC R4.
Zombiesbum I never said the BBC was perfect. And although I have my own problems with the ‘Islamophobia’ debate, it is undoubtedly a very difficult subject to take a stance on which does not endanger inciting violence. Just look at Pittsburgh. Saying the wrong things, even if they are largely true, at the wrong times, can have disastrous consequences. Journalism is also a role of responsibility.
Zombiesbum I think Islamophobia can exist, but I agree-Islam should be feared by Western culture. However, a phobia is an irrational fear, and I imagine there could be plenty of room for irrational fear of Islam (ie, all muslims are terrorists etc). Yes-the BBC does have SUPERB journalism. I absolutely stand by it. As someone who studied journalism, and as a writer myself, I can confidently defend my statement. The breadth of their coverage is fantastic, and they are in fact fairly unbiased, compared to many other major news outlets. Consider the BBC’s excellent World Service. You have to understand that all journalism is biased-otherwise they could never decide which news to broadcast. Editorial will choose what news they feel is most relevant. The way these stories are presented is at their discretion, but having some facts doesn’t necessarily mean you have ALL the facts. Worth remembering. Again-journalism does have a duty of responsibility. I would choose the BBC over RT or The Daily Mail, for example. I encourage you to spend some time listening to BBC R4. If you have any doubts as to the quality of the BBC’s journalism, and this doesn’t sway you, then I would question your own biases. Obviously, never get your news from one source. But you can do hell of a lot worse than the BBC. For all it’s flaws, it is still a brilliant institution. I’ll always defend it.
LMAO dont try it... This is the issue.... Stop claiming shit as your own, Cultural appropriation is a dumb claim in itself, however when you copy some shit own up and say you took inspiration!! Just like jonathan said.... Caucasians do not have nappy hair, lmao get it? By default You cannot have dreads, without putting a whole bunch of cow dung in it... So no that shit on your scalp is not Dreads... Unwashed hair? yes but never Dreads
I’m German but live in the U.K. and it makes me so happy to see Oktoberfest popping up here and there! Love to see that our culture is being appreciated, not appropriated
We like your German cars here too, thanks. What I dont agree is someone who drives a German car, eats pizza, drinks a Belgian beer or a nice Burgundy, uses a mobile phone made in Korea.... and the says you can't have hair like mine because that's cultural appropriation.
There is always something to learn, appreciate and enjoy from interaction with other cultures. If adopting those interactions into your own life in order to enrich it has become a crime, humanity has lost the plot.
electricity was harnessed by a white man named Nikola Tesla and he was a Croatian so from now on the only country that has electricity must be Croatia. And now the Serbs will freak out and comment on this because he was half Serb. :D
Definition: the unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of customs, practices, ideas, etc. Unfortunately some of the left are smearing this definition, mislabeling every display of cross-cultural inspiration. It is important to recognise that cultural appropriation does exist and is an issue - we just need to realise what it is, and what it isn’t.
Exactly. I just responded to someone else with this. Not that it doesn't exist but people have lost sight of what it actually is and start finding it in every lunch plate or pop song or fashion choice. I once read a self-congratulatory interaction over humiliating a girl for her hoop earrings - how dare she?
@@drm7552 he chose examples that he's misrepresenting. the girl was wearing a qipao that was much too small and purposefully making it sexy by not wearing proper garments, akin to sexual fantasies too common in popular culture. the exposition in canada was about someone making art inspired by native art when native artists can't get recognition and can't make a living and all the racism and its consequences present in canada. i recall the issue with the hoop earrings and vaseline moisturiser is that it's now "clean girl fashion" but only on white girls.
@@em-jd4do You may be thinking of different situations, because neither the Asian cultural appreciation situation that he's discussing nor the hoop earring situation I described are the ones you're referencing. (I watched this and responded a month ago, so I would have to go back and rewatch the video, but IIRC it was a non-Japanese American girl who had deep appreciation for Japanese culture and wore Japanese style dress to her prom and was shamed for it. The hoop earring situation I referred to is definitely not the one you're referring to )
@@em-jd4do because I 100% agree that the fetishization of Asian women is a huge problem. But appreciating Japanese culture and making an effort to learn about it,etc. is totally different.
It's literally how humans learn language and become part of a "culture" in the first place: by observing and imitating. Yes, i admit, i appropriated the german and french language from my parents, and the english language from my school. Without observing and imitating, (a process sometimes called "learning") i'd be as capable (and cultured) as a goldfish.
Every person who can read English must read Orwell's 1984. Cover to cover. It's not very long, or complicated, but it's incredibly important for every person to understand. It is the blueprint for modern society and what's coming next.
The dreadlock thing is outrageous, Saxons had dreadlocks, Vikings had dreadlocks, ancient Egypt had dreadlocks. Mesopotamian woman had dreadlocks, African people had dreadlocks . Who's culture did she steal from ??..
A Manchester students union has banned clapping! Instead they do jazz hands based on British Sign Language. They're not even deaf but appropriate deaf culture
Did they really ban clapping? I heard a lady from there interviewed and I think they were encouraging people to 'jazz hand' rather than prevent anyone from applauding.
@@CastleVaniak Yeah, seems a bit daft in the general sense of finishing a performance to mostly silence but then again I think the intention was not entirely without merit as an inclusivity initiative. I doubt it'll catch on much outside the realm of universities and such like.
I think that sounds wonderful! I mean it! It is ridiculous that we are one of the last nations to know just one language. Get on with it! Languages are dying out there!
@@yancowles How does that help inclusivity? Deaf people can still see that people are clapping, but blind people can't heart jazz hands. Imagine being a blind musician ending your song to a crowd displaying extremely enthusiastic jazz hands. Doesn't sound very inclusive to me.
@Street Deacon or loads of politicians that aren't from the alt-right but that the media describes as such Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos... (sorry for my lack of knowledge on UK politics, I only know Niegel Farage... Not as bad as a lot of people say but not my favorite: some of his "fans" are a bit annoying even though Farage himself isn't )
@TheActivistBook my god you're such an ideologue. Seen your awful comments all over this video. What was your major at university? I'm guessing it wasn't anything that is useful to society.
@TheActivistBook I studied mathematics and statistics. Well, if I had you pegged wrong, then I was wrong. But your comments are just so nasty and ideologically driven that I was led to certain conclusions. I'm not a white supremacist. Not a white ethno-nationalist. I'm not either a nationalist, or a conservative. I'm not a centrist, or a libertarian. I'm a lefty, but of the Jonathan Pie variety. So if you would like me to not mischaracterise you, please don't do the same to me. Perhaps then there would be room for a civil discussion.
This may be comedy and it may have far more bad language than I'm comfortable with but I genuinly think it's one of the best speeches I've ever heard!!
Every time my countrymen see Asains trying out our traditional wares, they got nothing but compliments. I share this with them. I love seeing foreigners enjoy our traditions, it's heartwarming and I'm not much of a patriot. Cultural appropriation is one of the biggest bs in the world. It's very Western/USA centered, since I know that asians aren't actually bothered by white people wearing traditional robes.
@eric Is my name English people no culture? Ok then. A few weeks ago i was down at the Golden Globe to watch a rendition of Hamlet, afterwards i went for an evening stroll along the Thames whilst listening to some Elgar. Popped passed the National Gallery in Trafalgar Square (which was shut unfortunately) but at least i got to see the beautiful building and appreciate the atmospheric night life. But i decided to call it a night and got a bus home via some of the wonderful English parks when i thought i'd finish a chapter of the Dickens "Bleak House" i was currently reading. No culture? No, you are just uncultured my ignorant little friend.
Dude’s 110% right and absolutely hilarious... although I can’t believe someone at the BBC actually had the balls to put this up. I hope they rest in peace.
Everyone, I have a confession to make. My favourite food is pasta bolognese. I sincerely apologize for my racist behaviour to any Italians who see this. Please forgive me
The thing that's never brought up when talking about this is : *Is it only cultural appropriation if white people do it?* If so then that's racist. If not then does that mean you are going to go in Asia and Africa saying we shouldn't wear anything from US culture? Because I love wearing jeans 😭😭.
It’s ironic because Pie is more left leaning. But he calls out sheer lunacy when he sees it. Whether it’s on the right or left. So if he’s calling out the left for their idiocy, you know it’s true.
The difference between an appropriator and a disciple is the quality of the copying. If you don't do it well, then you are an appropriator. If you do it well, then you are a disciple. And if the student surpasses the master, then the idea wins.
All cultures evolve and influence others. A great example was curry. British were influenced by India then introduced it to Japan who made katsu curry which is now becoming popular in the UK
hahaha, this vid makes my day! I was so sorry to hear about Ariana Grande quits studying Japanese.. I think Cultural Appropriation is just a fake justice.
One detail - cultural appropriation is offensive act if dominating culture steals from dominated culture. For example - if one nation invades other nation, dominate it and then come to idea to adapt that nation rituals, because it's "fun", then it's not fun, it's not flattery. It's just attempt to trivialize culture of people you tried to destroy earlier.
Hmm... I had to pause a minute to think of every bit of cultural appreciation I've done this month. Listened to music, ate food, watched tv....my god. I'm a monster.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it cultural appropriation when someone profits off of the intellectual property of another culture? Not that that’s easy to draw the line for but I always thought that it’s a problem when people/businesses gain financially without giving proper credits.
The Appropriation aspect he didn't address is when another cultute profits from and "legally gains ownership and rights to something that is commonplace in another's culture. The very same way in which land that didn't belong to others was stolen and unlawfully claimed as their own.
How would you even go about ""legally gaining ownership and rights" to something like dreadlocks, sombreros, kimonos or spaghetti? If you choose to have dreadlocks you haven't STOLEN them from anybody and you sure as hell can't have "legal ownership" over a hairstyle.
I think in some of the cases he mentions - the painter, especially - it's all about the money made in the process of the alleged appropriation. The question is, would the "owners/creators" of the culture in question have been able to make money out of promoting their culture? The other cases, he's absolutely spot on. Recently I was accused of cultural appropriation for getting a tan in the summer. A TAN!! I asked a friend of mine who is Mexican black and she said that it was the stupidest thing she had ever heard.
At the Chinese restaurant: "Do you want chopsticks?" - "Yes, please. As a sign of my appreciation of the Chinese culture, I will submit myself to this aspect of it and eat this Chinese dish with chopsticks." - "Damn lacist!"
I make sure to fight cultural appropriation by standing outside my local Chinese and blocking the path of any white people who try to enter. As a result, two businesses have already gone bust due to making no money, but at least I feel good about myself for standing up for the POCs!
French was foisted upon nations when it was deemed the international language of diplomacy. English was adopted as the international language of business ... that is also why the French are so bitter.
@@TheAlmightyAss And? Lots of the rubbish from looney lefties is foisted on society. Lots of the rubbish the outrage mob call cultural appropriation was foisted on other countries. Doesn't stop them demanding that only those same countries are the only one allowed to use whatever they are bitching about.
@Spongepants Squarebob So if I rob a bank, kill 5 citizens and 3 policemen, aren't I going to get shot? Am I bulletproof? I know of the cases you are probably referencing, but does that mean that every non-white person currently in the United States of America is in danger or threatened by the possibility of being shot just by passing through an officer? Really? And then again, thankfully you just listed the most reasonable one of the critiques to this topic... Many people make it look like you are suddenly rich or have higher education, which is absurdly wrong nowadays...
@Spongepants Squarebob You're completely oblivious to countries or cultures outside of your own bubble which facilitates your fascination with "white privilege". The whole world isn't the US but it is ironic that so many 'culturally aware' SJWs are so shockingly insular and ignorant.
Brilliant cultural analysis, brilliant comedy, spot on rhythm, intonation, choice of register and acting. Brilliant, Mr Pie. Shine on you crazy Diamond!
Dreadlocks aren't w black thing anyway. They are either Minoan (ancient European civilization), Indian, Babylonian or Egyptian. Definitely not Sub Saharan African or Caribbean. Although i am fine with anyone wearing dreads.
Jonathan Pie is a great example of how you don't have to be on Team Left or Team Right, or swallow every idea your team's loudest (and usually more extreme) voices thrust in front of you. Check the facts, ignore the loud voices and think about where you stand on the issue and I think most people will have typical Right views on some issues and typical Left views on others.
STAGGERING absence of nuance in these comments. God help some of you if you ever watch Al Murray, your little snowflake heads will explode. Get a grip, it's satire. Oh, yeah, forgot; satire's like smallpox. Nobody gets that any more either.
"I think these days, especially on the left, people go, “You either agreed with me 100% or you’re on their side.” You know what I mean? Anyone who votes Conservative is a bigot and anyone who voted leave is a bigot. So I think the left are in danger of forgetting political nuance." - Tom Walker during an interview about his character Jonathan Pie.
By definition, cultural appropriation is stealing. The important thing to note is that there's a difference between cultural appropriation, appreciation, and exchange, despite what some overzealous students might think.
Getting the sombreros and saying they're from Mexico, they represent mexican culture, it not cultural appropriation. But if you're a thug that murders people daily while wearing a sombrero, later known as the Sombrero Killer, then your attributing malice to something that belong to another group of people (MX) If you stealing someone's idea or identity without giving credit (as long as that person/state is still alive) = BAD. Its not that complicated.
This is a good argument against intellectual property honestly. Cultural appropriation is a more complex phenomenon within the broader field of postcolonial study. Please don't let high profile misuses of the term dissuade you from going out there and educating yourself! We should all be reading more.
Cultures have always influenced each other and that's how mankind has progressed. The idea of fencing off cultures is very odd. I think maybe what the problem is, is when people feel exploited.
Blimey, how did this statement of truth get past the BBC Inquisition?
@@MrNPC Or Farage.
they will find a way to atone for their sins...
BBC 3... not BBC, not BBC2, not any BBC mainstream. BBC 3 is meant to be "edgy" and in today's climate, "conservative is edgy".
Celeste Gauthier in contrast actually. BBC 3 has some of the most leftist content on it
@@etherealceleste BBC 3 spreads the most misandric propaganda, which is why I stopped watching BBC and switched to UA-cam and Netflix. 'Britain's Biggest Sexists' got me into Sargon of Akkad.
I am Indian, if I see a American women wearing a Saree or eating briyani or doing Yogasana, it will make me happy that my culture is spreading, I don't understand why anybody should cry about it.
Because being offemded is the new drug of choice.
@@marvellousharquebus8064 you said a lot but did not say what is cultural appropriation as per you, if my examples were wrong.
@@marvellousharquebus8064 I second the request for an explanation
@@marvellousharquebus8064 you have no idea what cultural appropriation is do you
@@marvellousharquebus8064 no I definitely meant you, you basically said this is not cultural appropriation and never said what cultural appropriation is and so I'm led to the conclusion that you have no clue what it is
It's funny but at the same time annoying because it's true
@TheActivistBook Take the example of the people who were outraged by the American girl who wore a Chinese dress to prom. They were outraged on behalf of people in China, who were fine with it
@TheActivistBook I have yet to find an example of it. Care to enlighten me?
@TheActivistBook - haha, is that your response? Go home, you have nothing to add to this debate.
@The Red-Eyed Baron Is you comment supposed to be directed at me? I am definitely NOT a racist. I think culture should be celebrated. Why should I not be able to eat foreign foods/wear foreign clothes? That in itslef is racist
For anyone saying this is just a couple of people complaining check out the Evergreen College case.
“Stealing” the best bits from other cultures is how society advances, cultural collaboration.
True, but I'd hardly what's happening most of the time as "collaboration".
There is collaboration but it can’t really be seen that way if some of the same cultures that “collaborate” also don’t respect those same people in society and want them out of the country. Because there’s some people that love a curry, a Chinese or whatever cuisine but will still be the same people to want said cultures out of the country.
@@siphotheizm An entirely different argument. That's like saying because we import tea from Indian we have to import some Indians too.
@@rewdwarf123 haha xD lol
@@rewdwarf123 wait, would the combination be, an leftist argument pro slavery?
They did read 1984. They thought it was an instruction manual.
Just a reminder - Orwell was a "Lefty" you know one of these people everyone blames everything on.
@@thedativecase9733 yes she wrote that book is his idea of the perfect Utopia. He was absolutely appalled when people took it as a Horror Story.
@@tolfan4438 where is Orwell quoted as saying this?
@@samanthasmith2102 honestly I'm not sure you ever said it I just got the feeling that that's what's his take on it how we met. Okay I pretty much pulled that out of thin air
The dictation on my phone sucks I don't feel like making the corrections
I agree with him but the irony that this has been published the bbc is pretty hilarious
You do know Jonathon Pie is a lefty as well right ?
@@hireaper I think very few people looking into this with any seriousness think the entire left is crazy and extreme, it's just that the right are more eager to distance themselves from their extremes than the left is, and most mainstream media leans left, so the left look more homogenised. some of this odd shit definitely needs calling out by their own lot, kudos to people like Pie for having a pair!
@@hireaper Its called self-criticism, something beyond comprehension for a righty
the ignorance of this comment is what happens when you live in world and think everything is either black or white and nothing in between.
Chronic0 centre-leftists appear to be on the right bc they are sane people. All the centre-leftists I encounter hate pc culture.
Jonathan pie is my favourite leftist, I don't agree with him on everything he says but he nails it on the snowflake lunacy that as been coming out of the regressive left.
@@jackhurrell8850 No.
Jack Hurrell He’s left wing. Pie has clearly stated his socialist values. In comparison to leftists (the segment of the left wing population that the triggered memes is aimed at) he’s on the right of them. The value of discussion has never been so apparent in this political landscape, but people shut down the need for this with outrage.
You have no idea how refreshing your comment is, beasty.
If only more people were as clued in as yourself.
TheOneLichemperor Hey that’s why I’m here mate
Did this Jack bloke delete his comment as I cant see it.
It's my experience that if you dress in another people's traditional clothing, the near universal reaction is flattery. I'm Scottish and if I saw foreigners dressed in a kilt, I'd want to shake their hands buy them a drink!
You're completely right. If a Japanese man saw a white guy wearing a yukata he wouldn't think much of it. They're robes designed to be comfy.
Alan7997 a scotsman buying someone a drink!? No fuckin way!! 😂😂
but that is not what cultural appropriation is. You have to look at the intent. What you're describing is cultural appreciation, and you are right, it should not be considered an issue. A foreigner wearing a kilt could only be considered an act of cultural appropriation if they try to sell it as their own invention, without giving any credit to Scottish people, and especially so, if they had a history of oppressing Scottish people.
@@teamoore6136 Credit doesn't need to be given seperately. It lies in the act of assimiliation. Because why would you take over someones cultural ways if not because they appear superior to what you had before? Also, intent doesn't matter as long as the result of actions is not evil. As long as we do not take away people's freedom to indulge in their culture in the here and now, we can copy it as much as we want. They don't have less because we have more. Live and let live, and let the past be in the past. That's how we get along in the here and now.
@@ohcrikey9560 wow! Really original!
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, as the saying goes. To distort it into an act of theft is disgusting.
When I, a white American, was in Thailand and I told the locals that I was there to study meditation, a core Buddhist practice, they were DELIGHTED...and rightfully so. It was a statement by me that these people had figured out and preserved a valuable area of knowledge that my people didn't understand at all. It was a huge COMPLIMENT, and they understood that.
Cultural appropriation is the biggest NON-issue of all time.
Another anecdote to add to the insurmountable pile of evidence that the only people who get upset about cultural appropriation are westerners.
@@kevinkibble8342 Incorrect. NYC is the perfect example of Cultural Appropriation. That's why you can get a slice of pizza, a taco, and a Hot Dog on the same block.
We used to call it a "Melting Pot", but that doesn't serve the narrative.
The attack is ON Western Culture, or these same people would be traveling abroad to scold the more segregated cultures.
you should've told the truth, you went there to steal, not study
@@Nothing2CHere4U Italians are selling the pizza, latinos are selling to tacos, and I suppose anyone could sell the hot dogs not sure, but the point is every culture is selling things from their own culture not stealing from another culture
@@wcp4jc you haven't been to NYC in a while, have you? "Italians selling the pizza"... lol
I had my culture appropriated once... gits just broke in and nicked it from the lab!
A science joke with awesome English slang? Nice!
Someone steal your Yakult?
Thank you - I needed a good laugh!
Dr Green Thumb
God, I like this fella. A voice of sanity.
More like the voice of insanity. Stealing someone's idea or identity without giving credit (as long as that person/state is still alive) = BAD. Its not that complicated. If someone steals all the sombreros in the world and then makes Mexico vanish from the map, and if someone asks what sombreroes are? You say they're 360 baseballcaps. I invented them. Thats cultural appropiation. Deny someone elses effort and get all the credit.
@@khajiithadwares2263 get a life.
@@fraudebs8786 Thank you for your concern. It really means a lot that you took the time to leave a small meaningless comment just for me.
@@khajiithadwares2263 But come on, really! Do people really sit there and tax their brains with this rubbish. White girls wearing their hair in locks, blacks girls straightening their hair. So what!!! Aren't there more important issues at hand in the world right now apart from demonising people practising cultural exchange? Really? This is what bothers you in the grand scheme of things???????? 😨
@@khajiithadwares2263 Since when did Africa become a culture???? It's like saying Asia is a culture!! But no there is Chinese culture, Korean culture, and Indian culture, very different. Let me tell you that most Africans don't actually care about most of this, and I am an African born and raised, we are not in the 1800s!! Plus I heard people were offended by Kim wearing a Fulani hairstyles, so doesn't that mean only fulanis can wear that hairstyle? I am not fulani but my best friend is and we both wear that hairstyle sometimes, so does that mean I am appropriating her culture?? It makes absolutly no sense. It's like Bantu knots. They apparently orignated from the Zulu tribe in South Africa, but I wear them and I am neither Zulu nor South African , am I appropriating Zulu culture. Was Rihanna appropriating Zulu culture when she wore them? Look at Ankara today, we don't wear it like we tradionally do, we wear them in westen styles. We have ankara suits and dresses because it's modern and looks nice, so have we just stolen western culture? Check up Kimono Ankara. That is an ankara style inspired by the Japanese culture, yet it is very popular. It's not culture appropriation its how we as humans thrive. We take inspirations from others and create are own, every things we have today, from hamburgers to our medicine.
As a black person I find the concept of 'cultural appropriation' itself infuriatingly insulting.
Who the F*CK decided to make themselves the arbiter of what I am and am not offended by?!!
You're welcome to every part of my culture. It's cool as f and that's not me being biased because I'm a snobby North London vegan cyclist who studies Theravada Buddhism and who uses Received Pronunciation ... But Jamaican food is the best tasting food on the planet and proper Reggae music amazing.
I loved _'Informer'_ by Snow, Vanilla Ice was actually a decent rapper, I knew Eminem would be a game-changer and I wasn't at all bothered when I found out Rick Astley was white. Plus, half the classic Jungle tunes were made by white people as anyone who went raving in the early 90's knows.
As far as looks, in this day and age, it's pure aesthetics. Black people want to be lighter, white people want to be darker ... Crack on, I say.
I think people confuse artists like Elvis who basically stole the credit of songs by blacks with being inspired by them
@@Timbone07 Elvis didnt do that at all. He was a puppet pop star who didnt write one of his own songs or have any control over his own career. Its just a sign of that age. The 50's & 60's white America wasn't ready for black artists to do what Elvis did. To look back from 2022 and make him out to be some devil is mental.
@@ajclannachan I said he basically stole credit.
I didn't say he was evil. You are the one jumping the gun.
Even the Producer of Star Trek didn't want a Black female cast member. But she was still in it due to pressure from others.
It is just how things are.
I never used the word evil.
I am just pointing out a real case of Hollywood depriving Blacks compared to the current half assed examples of Cultural Appropriation
It has nothing to do with Elvis
Self appointed Gatekeepers, who are usually white. Which makes it even more insulting.
the fact they automatically assume they can make themselves arbiter of what you are and aren't offended by is an example of privilege in itself
It's not stealing, they still have their culture.
Well another thing Pie left out (probably due to being unaware) which was that SJWs also believe it somehow erodes/destroys that culture as a result. (They use what happens after making first contact with a isolated tribe, where a year or so later everyone now wears T-shirts and have satellite TV.)
So actually it's copyright infringement? :)
Tawn
Can't even be copyright, no one can patent a culture, sometimes its even subject to change.
@@Doomwolf82002 this example demonstrate how the concept of cultural appropriation is pure bullshit. Western culture haven't been destroyed because some isolated tribes adopted their culture. It's the exact opposite. The culture of these tribes have been destroyed and replaced by western one.
Culture can't be stollen, only chared with or forced to someone. Anyone with a iota of historical knowlege knows that the winners in History are those who succed to spread their culture to their neighbours and not the ones being influenced by their neighbours.
A white dude wearing a mexican hat is more close to a victim than the mexican one eating on the next table. Not that I think he is a victim, that's just cultural exchange, but I said that to illustrate how logicless these SJW are...
Don't copy that floppy
At least someone on the left is calling this out. Mostly we just hear everyone agreeing with the moral puritans.
He’s not left, he’s centre. Which by the way, is the best position to be in, in this warped, mad world.
@@s.william9189 He is self defined as left of centre.
@@TDBHclan which, let's be fair, is closer to the center than left or right
Graal Otonami by definition.
@@s.william9189 he is left wing by his own admission in interviews, and is very open about his views.
Pie is occasionally insightful, I don't agree with everything he says but he is spot on with this.
As a black person whose moved in many a circle that's contained a fair few white dreadlocked hippie types, I am utterly flummoxed by this cultural appropriation nonsense. Unlike Pie however, I'd posit it to be a millennial issue rather than a "leftist" issue; I say that because this just wasn't a thing at all back in the day. Cultural appropriation seems to be about wanting to take offence for the sake of taking offence. It panders the egos of Starbucks social media activists who want to be known for something, even if that something is being an insufferable crybaby.
The nadir of this issue for me is when a LITTLE GIRL was bullied online when her parents posted her in a kimono, doing a pretend Japanese tea ceremony. And as you might've guessed, none of the people taking offence were Japanese.
It totally is a leftist issue.
This is the best comment here by far. It has become fashionable to deride everything people (especially UA-cam commenters) don't like as "leftist", and this in itself leads to a kind of ridiculous whining about being persecuted by some lefty elite that wants to control your thought. Right, because the left is so powerful these days...
Speaking of knowing history, a totally (deliberately?) forgotten target of the Nazis, and fascists more generally, in the 20s and 30s were lefties. They were among the first to be send to hard labour camps, and in my native Holland the Nazis' deadly persecution is split roughly 50/50 between Jews and socialists. This is the reason fascists were tolerated, even encouraged: because the true elites don't want to have true lefties, who endanger their wealth, and fascism is a blunt instrument against the forces of socialism, communism and anarchy.
I don't care if you're left or right, but at least be a little aware of these things and stop believing in absurd leftist puppet master conspiracies that only make the Oxbridge PPE/E&M crowd that actually inhabits the halls of Westminster cry with laughter.
Thanks for the comment.
It is a millennial issue....
A LEFTIST MILLENNIAL ISSUE
@@scottbreon9448 What is this infamous "leftism" you so love to hate? Can you define it clearly or is it an inconvenient scapegoat for things you don't like?
Tim LaNE
The FAR Left
LIBERALISM is center left and not one inch further left
True LIBERALS were comedians like George Carlin who HATED political correctness and all that it stood for
Hasn’t anyone heard the phase, “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery’?
Apparantly not
People on the receiving end can feel flattered when systematic racism isn’t kicking them down at the same time
@@siphotheizm Well at least you added the systematic in front instead of using the wrong definition of racism.
Though most of what people call systematic racism is a socioeconomic issues not racism.
And it sure does not help when people try to invent new ways to be offended.
Cultural Appropriation is quite new to me. I first came across it when a young woman decided to wear a lovely Chinese style dress to her prom. She posted a photo online saying something along the lines of she was wearing it in honour of Chinese culture or something like that and the poor thing was set upon and forced to apologise. I just don't get it. One of the great things about living in an multicultural society is we can enjoy aspects of other people's cultures. I love the musical Hamilton where mostly black actors play people that in real life were white. No one accused them of cultural appropriation. I think where we should drawn the line is if someone is making fun of or being generally offensive to the culture in question. People should remain respectful of other people's cultures while also enjoying aspects that they are happy to share in terms of food, fashion, music etc. I also think people should stop being offended on other people's behalf. If people of a culture decides there is something they don't want others to do that is fine. Such as Australian aboriginal people have asked people to no longer climb Uluru (previously known as Ayers Rock.). This is fine and comes under the heading of respecting others people Culture and being respectful of their thoughts and feelings about things belonging to their culture. I would never show disrespect intentionally and would want someone to tell me if something I was doing made them feel uncomfortable for any reason.
Everything you said makes perfect sense, which is why it's so unfortunate that things don't work that way anymore. By design, common sense like that isn't allowed into the discussion anymore. You're right, but the entire world is wrong and getting wronger every week.
@zimzalladim all I meant was where I, personally would draw the line. Not exceptions exactly just something I personally wouldn't do myself and I wouldn't be happy with others doing. We all have our own set of values and this is mine. Yours may be different but I am sure even you would have a line or 2 you wouldn't cross. Or may not, maybe with you anything goes, which is fine. Yes I am for all for free speech and also firmly believe that we all have to take responsibility for what we say and do.
Saddly my introduction to this nonsense was earlier than that. Anyone remember Katy Perry's video in the AMA's from 2013? You know, the one where she put on a performance heavily influenced by Japanese culture? Even went so far as to get an actual o-daiko drum for the performance. That right there shows that she cares and loves japanese culture. The next day, cries of racism abounded. Take her performance to Japan, and an actual japanese is quoted as saying "You can feel the love she has for Japan" and others were astounded to find that she got in trouble.
A rational post? In a UA-cam comment section? Well I never.
That's how most of us got introduced too, that incident
amazing how telling the truth in 2020 has magically become a form of comedy!
How do you know this is the true? Not because you believe this to be so, or goes with your opinions, right?
@@DasGrosseFressen what are you talking about
Ruans Jutz I believe it’s true from the extensive amount of research I’ve done without being blinded by emotions, to truly stop being racist we must get to the point where we stop speaking about it, the idea that certain hair styles is seen as an offensive act is delusional tantamount to calling a black person racist for getting a skin fade because it’s offensive to English people
Getting the sombreros and saying they're from Mexico, they represent mexican culture, it not cultural appropriation.
Using a sombreros while doing something bad, attribute it to "the sombrero killer" damaged someone's elses culture.
Actual comedians have been doing it for years...
Not wanting different cultures to mix?
That sounds like the real racist to me.
I know right? Sounds like the society KKK has been fighting for all these years.
appropriation is about taking with no real acknowledgement of source...its not really about mixing...you are like many posters here missing a subtle but important point
@@skyblazeeterno No, "appropriating" is about diving and conquer. It's about dividing people, controlling people to create conflict. To what end? I don't know, but somebody is behind this and somebody has an agenda. Still the fools are dancing along to this stupidity.
Cultural apartheid, as I like to call it.
@@skyblazeeterno You're the one here being racist without realizing it because you think cultures mixing is wrong unless it's under your exact specifications of cultures mixing which (conveniently) makes it where whites are in trouble for being inspired by and mixing with other cultures. Fuckoff.
Can we have a moment of silence for the guy at bbc who posted this and got sent to the gulag.
Yeah I saw the title and then BBC and thought that the video would be opposite
He died a hero
Pebble Mill, as it's known...
Oh dear, do you think all "lefties" are woke?
😂
It's the left who talk about multiculturalism being a great thing, and yet they actively discourage it with this lunacy. Make up your minds... You can't have both.
This channel that I run is viewed by people from all over the globe, yet the vast majority of the composers on my channel are/were European. I think it's a great thing that somebody from the other side of the world listens to European music and vice versa.
Yeah the left often shoot themselves in the foot with their blind hypocrisy. The left use emotion to formulate their beliefs and arguments instead of logic.
Marvellous Harquebus bruh cultural appropriation is one of the most ridiculous things the left ever creatdd
They can't....they are actually insane. How else do you explain what they do?
Is it me or are all the leftist ideas contradictory in a way, because it's like, they want you to do this thing and then when you do it, you're all of the sudden alt right, racist, homophobic and all this other bs
@@marvellousharquebus8064 by rightists I presume you mean capitalists that know how to make an economy flourish and so I presume you're pro socialism judging by what you've noted, equally distributing wealth even if you haven't earned that wealth has never worked out well, it never will
Cultural Appropriation?
I call it Cultural Appreciation.
Funny thing is, that's what it was called in elementary school. We had a whole week dedicated to it, didn't know we were all tiny little racists, I thought we were learning about other cultures 🤔
Im a White guy I went down to my local Indian takeaway and asked if they thought I was being racist for buying their food...They looked at me like I was retarded and needed hospitalization lol all this shit is from White people and White people alone.
@@shadowbanned5164 This crap comes exclusively from evil individuals who happen to also be of Caucasian and/or Semitic persuasions.
Well spoken. I suppose you don't mind my using your language instead of Dutch? ;-) Best wishes from the Netherlands. (If you want, you may speak in Dutch to me, I won't consider it to be cultural appropriation.) I love to listen to piobaireachd music and to music by John Dunstaple and William Byrd, or is that cultural appropriation? ;-)
In a world where everything is racist, racism is everywhere.
Japan has been appropriating other cultures for decades, they're masters at it. And nobody whines about it.
From what I gather most Japanese also appreciate when others explore their culture, like wearing kimono and such. As long as it's done with respect I see no problem with any culture exploring and incorporating parts of other cultures. To me it only becomes a problem when it is done with the purpose of making fun of or putting down other people.
@@ajdegroot1980 it only becomes a problem when... Feelings. It's all about hurt feelings. That is why stand-up comedy is dying. No sense of humor anymore just soul crushing pc nonsense.
@Insert Name Here or anime, which is a japanese copy of old american cartoons.
Yes, the whiskey is now rated number one worldwide(remember FooYuk on James Bond?), Suntory wine is great every time and the trains arrive, arrive on time and are clean. In one generation after the devastation of the war they were making cars as good as the Germans and watches as good as the Swiss. And don't be misled. Under the shirt and tie the culture still throbs and with it own problems.@@MrWhiskeycricket
Ancient Japan borrowed a lot from Chinese culture, and modern China now is borrowing a lot from the entire world including Japan .. it's a continuous cycle of giving and taking that makes the best bits of each culture survive beyond the culture itself, to try and stop that is pretty insane.
Back in the early 80s and growing up in a multicultural city, we had black and Indian friends, loved UB40, The Beat, The Specials. We wore Trilby hats and Rasta scarves and black, asian and white fans all danced together at the gigs. It would never in a million years have occurred to us that we were 'culturally appropriating ' anything. It was one big party, and if anyone had conmented about the colour of a person's skin or their ethnicity we would have been genuinely confused. I really despair at the current message that is being rammed in our faces, and all it will do in the end is create division where there used to be unity. It is brutal and sad.
That's a very sad but very true conclusion - well said 👏👏
Finally some decent content from bbc 3.
It's ok.....normal programming will resume shortly 😏
I remember when it was a decent TV channel which did Family Guy and American Dad reruns instead of shoving an agenda down people's throats.
Ikr! I'm surprised BBC uploaded this😆
I remember when Coldplay got backlash for their Hymn for the Weekend video for being insensitive to Indian culture.
Two things
1) The video was actually SHOT in India
2) It's arguably one of the most beautiful music videos in existence, and to think Indians would be offended by being portrayed as a vibrant, wholesome country, as that video did, is utter horseshit.
TheActivistBook white people dont get butt hurt about that sort of thing only brainwashed self hating SJW white people
the only thing people were offended by was Beyoncé wearing mehndi
Coldplay are shit. But yeah that was a good video.
Ali Nadeem pakistani
The flipside of racial hatred is racial condescension. The brown folk are looked down upon fondly as harmless well-meaning imbeciles instead of being looked down upon contemptuously as rapacious criminal idiots.
Either way of dehumanization of others only ever succeeds in dehumanizing those viewing others through the supremacist lensing... Just as demonising others only makes those doing so, demonic.
Marco Polo stole noodles from the Chinese. Italian restaurants should stop serving spaghetti.
Bruh
That turns out to be a myth. Pasta was invented by the Greeks and popularized by the Romans and later the Arabs. Spaghetti was developed in the Middle Ages, but owes nothing to Marco Polo's writings.
@@DieFlabbergast you are clearly wrong-thinking right now, sorry but I'm going to have to report you to my local commissar you're stepping out of line
@@DieFlabbergast
"Pasta was invented by the Greeks and popularized by the Romans and later the Arabs. Spaghetti was developed in the Middle Ages"
Cultural appropriation overload right there!!!
@@DieFlabbergast are you just here to spoil our fun? I was so looking forward to straightening some curly pasta
Love the points he makes, very good! About the Canadian art exhibition: the problem as it was presented in the news was actually that Indigenous people have a really hard time getting recognition for their art and getting paid, but this artist who imitated their style was able to get an exhibition all of its own even though it's such an uphill batlle for Indigenous people. We have a deep problem with cultural erasure in Canada of our Indigenous. They still represent a quarter of prisoners because of racism and how we've been keeping them in poverty, stealing their children (literally), putting them in reform schools where we found out last year hundreds of unaccounted children's skeleton buried in the back of them, an Indigenous woman was unknowingly sterilized in BC less than 5 years ago, they have bad access to healthcare if at all, terrible housing conditions (no running water, sewage, etc) and so on. It's very systematic and even last week when we talked about it my husband and I, we asked ourselves: 'Do we even know the names of famous Indigenous people? Or do we even know how to pronounce their names?' The answer is a resounding 'No' for almost all Canadians. That needs to change. Yes, cultural appropriation goes too far at times. It is great to share the best parts of each other's cultures. But I understand why the Indigenous would be absolutely pissed at this exhibition that was yet another way they get something taken away from them.
yup. some of the examples were misrepresented.
All valid points about indigenous people being discriminated against, all still not the fault of an artist who IS interested and inspired by indigenous culture and incorporating it into his work. Artists - and believe me I'm one myself so I know this - seek recognition, and in his case that means getting an exposition at a decent art gallery. Artists make what they like and what inspires them, and they want to show their work. That's all this guy did, but he got accused of a hate crime for it, because there are other artists who aren't as lucky as him to get their work noticed and exhibited.
Look, if you want to make an argument about indigenous people being owed a more respected position in society, make that argument, and make it to the curators and gallery owners who refuse to show those works. Don't pick on an artist who clearly has nothing but respect for your culture and would probably be there right now to fight by your side for more recognition for your culture if you'd given him the chance before the twittergestapo decided he was Adolf Hitler personified.
So glad to come across you as I was scrolling down - I have exactly the same viewpoint about the situation here in Australia, with First People’s art being aped casually, for profit, whilst many suffer discrimination, deprivation & inordinate jailing. Most Aboriginal art has meaning beyond its appearance, has spiritual significance - it can represent stories that ‘belong’ to individuals in an incredibly ancient oral tradition.
Taking the marks of it & just reusing them for yourself is to misunderstand & disrespect(at best)
At least BBC aren't afraid to publish this. All you BBC naysayers are never happy
Liam B Agreed. The BBC takes so much bullshit from people, but the quality of their journalism is superb. The people bashing the BBC never actually listen to great content like BBC R4.
Zombiesbum I never said the BBC was perfect. And although I have my own problems with the ‘Islamophobia’ debate, it is undoubtedly a very difficult subject to take a stance on which does not endanger inciting violence. Just look at Pittsburgh. Saying the wrong things, even if they are largely true, at the wrong times, can have disastrous consequences. Journalism is also a role of responsibility.
Zombiesbum I think Islamophobia can exist, but I agree-Islam should be feared by Western culture. However, a phobia is an irrational fear, and I imagine there could be plenty of room for irrational fear of Islam (ie, all muslims are terrorists etc).
Yes-the BBC does have SUPERB journalism. I absolutely stand by it. As someone who studied journalism, and as a writer myself, I can confidently defend my statement. The breadth of their coverage is fantastic, and they are in fact fairly unbiased, compared to many other major news outlets. Consider the BBC’s excellent World Service.
You have to understand that all journalism is biased-otherwise they could never decide which news to broadcast. Editorial will choose what news they feel is most relevant. The way these stories are presented is at their discretion, but having some facts doesn’t necessarily mean you have ALL the facts. Worth remembering. Again-journalism does have a duty of responsibility. I would choose the BBC over RT or The Daily Mail, for example.
I encourage you to spend some time listening to BBC R4. If you have any doubts as to the quality of the BBC’s journalism, and this doesn’t sway you, then I would question your own biases.
Obviously, never get your news from one source. But you can do hell of a lot worse than the BBC. For all it’s flaws, it is still a brilliant institution. I’ll always defend it.
Zombiesbum And I’m sorry that you have been too. I’m quite sure that we both have, and will continue to be.
Zombiesbum You don’t do yourself any favours by being so closed minded. But I’m bored with you now.
North Europeans: have dreadlocks since the vikings
The left:
*Is this like a personal attack?*
BeNews Most likely those skandinavian farmers who decide to do sea bandit stuff were not the first to sport them in Europe.
Anglo Commando i bet that back when semitic kingdoms in mesopotamia were flourishing europeans were sporting dread locks.
LMAO dont try it... This is the issue.... Stop claiming shit as your own, Cultural appropriation is a dumb claim in itself, however when you copy some shit own up and say you took inspiration!! Just like jonathan said.... Caucasians do not have nappy hair, lmao get it? By default You cannot have dreads, without putting a whole bunch of cow dung in it... So no that shit on your scalp is not Dreads... Unwashed hair? yes but never Dreads
Thank you verrryy much
KingSweat TV Who’s claiming things as their own? Can a culture actually “own” something to be stolen in the first place?
I’m German but live in the U.K. and it makes me so happy to see Oktoberfest popping up here and there! Love to see that our culture is being appreciated, not appropriated
We like your German cars here too, thanks.
What I dont agree is someone who drives a German car, eats pizza, drinks a Belgian beer or a nice Burgundy, uses a mobile phone made in Korea.... and the says you can't have hair like mine because that's cultural appropriation.
German beer is too tasty 😋
Hallo 🙋♀️ ich bin Schottin und wohne in Deutschland und von mir aus darf jeder ein Schottenrock tragen
even the chinese have a Oktoberfest. But with lousy beers.
There is always something to learn, appreciate and enjoy from interaction with other cultures. If adopting those interactions into your own life in order to enrich it has become a crime, humanity has lost the plot.
Nicely said.
Well said!
I've ended every argument on CULURAL APPROPRIATION by demanding back PANTS from the people who's cultures didn't invent them!
electricity was harnessed by a white man named Nikola Tesla and he was a Croatian so from now on the only country that has electricity must be Croatia. And now the Serbs will freak out and comment on this because he was half Serb. :D
And heels, men men of royalty and arstocrates wore heels first before women stole them.
@@MrJchristopher7 So us in Scotland will be the only ones with TV, Phones and Radio but we cannot use them because we won't have any electricity haha
@@MrJchristopher7 he wasnt the first to discover electricity though , we all stand on the shoulders of giants my friend !
@@sapien82 not discovered it but controlled electricity he did
I LOVE this guy! He's brave and honest and, most of all... he's right!
I'm loving Pie even more now. Can we assume that this kind of content on the BBC is a sign of things improving in our culture?
Haha. No. I mean, you can assume anything you like, but you'd be 180 degrees off of right.
I think two data points are required to even postulate a trend.
This whole PC business is beyond a joke, it deserves to be parodied and savagely torn to pieces. Brilliant work Pie :-)
It’s a shame that thats true. Cos there are more even headed people that don’t take PC culture to the extreme like that 😂
Yeah imagine wanting an inclusive language.
jonathan pie is a character lmao
Yeah honestly. Hey I got an idea. Who ever is on Twitter or any social media for that matter. Let’s just cancel them.
@@TheAlmightyAss "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
Glad to see its not just us in the US living this nightmare - thank you for helping me laugh about it!
Unfortunately, you're a "patient zero" when it comes to this particular disease.
It's still a very "English-speaking" countries problem, but it's sadly spreading.
😂😂😂😂very funny & spot on. The pc brigade need to get a life
@Dawnelisha Brown Nah, mate, that's bullshit.
Definition: the unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of customs, practices, ideas, etc.
Unfortunately some of the left are smearing this definition, mislabeling every display of cross-cultural inspiration.
It is important to recognise that cultural appropriation does exist and is an issue - we just need to realise what it is, and what it isn’t.
Exactly. I just responded to someone else with this. Not that it doesn't exist but people have lost sight of what it actually is and start finding it in every lunch plate or pop song or fashion choice. I once read a self-congratulatory interaction over humiliating a girl for her hoop earrings - how dare she?
@@drm7552 he chose examples that he's misrepresenting. the girl was wearing a qipao that was much too small and purposefully making it sexy by not wearing proper garments, akin to sexual fantasies too common in popular culture. the exposition in canada was about someone making art inspired by native art when native artists can't get recognition and can't make a living and all the racism and its consequences present in canada. i recall the issue with the hoop earrings and vaseline moisturiser is that it's now "clean girl fashion" but only on white girls.
@@em-jd4do You may be thinking of different situations, because neither the Asian cultural appreciation situation that he's discussing nor the hoop earring situation I described are the ones you're referencing. (I watched this and responded a month ago, so I would have to go back and rewatch the video, but IIRC it was a non-Japanese American girl who had deep appreciation for Japanese culture and wore Japanese style dress to her prom and was shamed for it. The hoop earring situation I referred to is definitely not the one you're referring to )
@@em-jd4do because I 100% agree that the fetishization of Asian women is a huge problem. But appreciating Japanese culture and making an effort to learn about it,etc. is totally different.
It's literally how humans learn language and become part of a "culture" in the first place: by observing and imitating.
Yes, i admit, i appropriated the german and french language from my parents, and the english language from my school.
Without observing and imitating, (a process sometimes called "learning") i'd be as capable (and cultured) as a goldfish.
The ironic thing is, I bet half of that audience are guilty of doing exactly what he is joking about.
I was thinking the same thing.
"Guilty" being an inappropriate word, since there's no crime without a victim.
@@drutter The victims are the rest of us who get morally shamed by the hypocritical left for taking a non-PC stand.
@@JonnyWisdom You make no sense.
@@drutter ?
Dreadlocks aren't even unique African thing. It was a fashion in some ancient Greek states and Mesopotamia.
Cookie Cutter Pretty sure it was a Nordic thing too, so Viking’s and similar cultures would have had them too
All human hair that is left without combing or brushing eventually dreads, some faster than other
Even if they were, Africa is a huge continent, made up of many, many different cultures, like Europe and Asia are.
@@sniffyjoe4229 Mind you... Vikings were known for stealing :D
Glad he added "starting with 1984"
After saying "read a book"
Every person who can read English must read Orwell's 1984. Cover to cover. It's not very long, or complicated, but it's incredibly important for every person to understand. It is the blueprint for modern society and what's coming next.
D Rutter what’s it about?
Fahrenheit 451 aswell
Don’t just read 1984, you study it
The dreadlock thing is outrageous, Saxons had dreadlocks, Vikings had dreadlocks, ancient Egypt had dreadlocks. Mesopotamian woman had dreadlocks, African people had dreadlocks . Who's culture did she steal from ??..
A Manchester students union has banned clapping! Instead they do jazz hands based on British Sign Language. They're not even deaf but appropriate deaf culture
Did they really ban clapping? I heard a lady from there interviewed and I think they were encouraging people to 'jazz hand' rather than prevent anyone from applauding.
@@yancowles Just checked your right. Still silly though
@@CastleVaniak Yeah, seems a bit daft in the general sense of finishing a performance to mostly silence but then again I think the intention was not entirely without merit as an inclusivity initiative. I doubt it'll catch on much outside the realm of universities and such like.
I think that sounds wonderful! I mean it! It is ridiculous that we are one of the last nations to know just one language. Get on with it! Languages are dying out there!
@@yancowles How does that help inclusivity? Deaf people can still see that people are clapping, but blind people can't heart jazz hands. Imagine being a blind musician ending your song to a crowd displaying extremely enthusiastic jazz hands. Doesn't sound very inclusive to me.
That's it Jon, turn in your liberal card you're basically alt-right now in the eyes of international law.
I've been observing this guy's transition from an inquisitor to a heretic, it's quite entertaining
May as well get a pepe t shirt and move to kekistan
@Jayson Roberts In 2019 centre left is also alt-right now soz m8 :(
no the actual alt right are about traditionalism and preservation of ones race, not trying to be edgy by stating basic facts and promoting degeneracy.
@Street Deacon or loads of politicians that aren't from the alt-right but that the media describes as such Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos... (sorry for my lack of knowledge on UK politics, I only know Niegel Farage... Not as bad as a lot of people say but not my favorite: some of his "fans" are a bit annoying even though Farage himself isn't )
as an african, I've always thought that seeing a white person wearing dreadlock is beautiful.
I think it just looks shit on white people.
@TheActivistBook my god you're such an ideologue. Seen your awful comments all over this video.
What was your major at university? I'm guessing it wasn't anything that is useful to society.
Makoto Akiyama Potentially, dreads actually originated from India rather than Egypt or other parts of Africa.
Exactly, and as a caucasian seeing a black person with blonde-dyed hair is beautiful.
@TheActivistBook I studied mathematics and statistics.
Well, if I had you pegged wrong, then I was wrong. But your comments are just so nasty and ideologically driven that I was led to certain conclusions.
I'm not a white supremacist. Not a white ethno-nationalist. I'm not either a nationalist, or a conservative. I'm not a centrist, or a libertarian. I'm a lefty, but of the Jonathan Pie variety. So if you would like me to not mischaracterise you, please don't do the same to me.
Perhaps then there would be room for a civil discussion.
“What are we left with? Greggs?” 🤣
I'd settle for that!
I teach Ballet (Italian) , Tap & Jazz (USA), IRISH (Ireland), Tango (Argentina) Bollywood (India), Waltz (Austria) the list goes on,
Am I bad?
Even Hitler wasn't that evil
Very. Are your victims given a choice? Or just defenceless children/ inmates?
Dude I totally agree with this man.
This may be comedy and it may have far more bad language than I'm comfortable with but I genuinly think it's one of the best speeches I've ever heard!!
Every time my countrymen see Asains trying out our traditional wares, they got nothing but compliments. I share this with them. I love seeing foreigners enjoy our traditions, it's heartwarming and I'm not much of a patriot.
Cultural appropriation is one of the biggest bs in the world. It's very Western/USA centered, since I know that asians aren't actually bothered by white people wearing traditional robes.
I fully support other races being able to use my white culture. Go for it!
@eric Is my name
English people no culture? Ok then. A few weeks ago i was down at the Golden Globe to watch a rendition of Hamlet, afterwards i went for an evening stroll along the Thames whilst listening to some Elgar. Popped passed the National Gallery in Trafalgar Square (which was shut unfortunately) but at least i got to see the beautiful building and appreciate the atmospheric night life. But i decided to call it a night and got a bus home via some of the wonderful English parks when i thought i'd finish a chapter of the Dickens "Bleak House" i was currently reading.
No culture? No, you are just uncultured my ignorant little friend.
@eric Is my name
And black culture is "twerking" right? Pffhhh. What a way to narrow it down.
What white culture, and who says whatever it is, is yours?
@@lucasmucas2807 arrogance: mistaken by the English for a culture since they stopped speaking French in the Royal Court in favour of German...
@GBATD every culture you named is extinct. You had some point?
Dude’s 110% right and absolutely hilarious... although I can’t believe someone at the BBC actually had the balls to put this up. I hope they rest in peace.
Everyone, I have a confession to make. My favourite food is pasta bolognese.
I sincerely apologize for my racist behaviour to any Italians who see this.
Please forgive me
Siim Maran summarising the contradiction of this whole issue in one simple comment, I salute you
I’m SCOTTISH but hate fried food..I now live in England...
As a mixed Person , German, Mexican , African American etc I AGREE! MY SOUL IS HAPPY
The thing that's never brought up when talking about this is : *Is it only cultural appropriation if white people do it?*
If so then that's racist. If not then does that mean you are going to go in Asia and Africa saying we shouldn't wear anything from US culture? Because I love wearing jeans 😭😭.
Valère Hirwa it is never racist unless you are white and male - never 😂👨🏻🍳
It’s ironic because Pie is more left leaning. But he calls out sheer lunacy when he sees it. Whether it’s on the right or left. So if he’s calling out the left for their idiocy, you know it’s true.
BBC: may contain strong language
Jonathan Pie at 0:01 : oh f*** me
The difference between an appropriator and a disciple is the quality of the copying. If you don't do it well, then you are an appropriator. If you do it well, then you are a disciple. And if the student surpasses the master, then the idea wins.
then could i say its coultural appropriaton if non german read a printed book because ghutenberg crated the book press?
Dodgy territory. Probably best just to keep quiet! X
Like your thinking, may use that if anyone accuse me of cultural appropriation.
All cultures evolve and influence others. A great example was curry. British were influenced by India then introduced it to Japan who made katsu curry which is now becoming popular in the UK
hahaha, this vid makes my day!
I was so sorry to hear about Ariana Grande quits studying Japanese..
I think Cultural Appropriation is just a fake justice.
You mean to say the BBC allowed this?? The truth?? Wow.. I'm impressed
He predicted the Adelle scenario pretty accurately
I'm surprised that C⋃⋂⊤s at BBC haven't purged this content yet.
One detail - cultural appropriation is offensive act if dominating culture steals from dominated culture. For example - if one nation invades other nation, dominate it and then come to idea to adapt that nation rituals, because it's "fun", then it's not fun, it's not flattery. It's just attempt to trivialize culture of people you tried to destroy earlier.
this clarification is essential--thank you.
Hmm... I had to pause a minute to think of every bit of cultural appreciation I've done this month. Listened to music, ate food, watched tv....my god. I'm a monster.
Cultural Appropriation makes me crazy. We need a revolution. Jonathan Pie gives me hope for a better world.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it cultural appropriation when someone profits off of the intellectual property of another culture? Not that that’s easy to draw the line for but I always thought that it’s a problem when people/businesses gain financially without giving proper credits.
The Appropriation aspect he didn't address is when another cultute profits from and "legally gains ownership and rights to something that is commonplace in another's culture. The very same way in which land that didn't belong to others was stolen and unlawfully claimed as their own.
How would you even go about ""legally gaining ownership and rights" to something like dreadlocks, sombreros, kimonos or spaghetti? If you choose to have dreadlocks you haven't STOLEN them from anybody and you sure as hell can't have "legal ownership" over a hairstyle.
You're an absolute star mate love it.
And yeah I read 1984 when I was 13 just started making sense when I hit 50 😂😂😂
Keep up the good work
St Patrick's Day shall only be celebrated by Irish people in future.
Black history month is exclusively for black people
But Saint Patrick was taken from Britain to be a slave in Ireland!!!
@@count7340 bullshit. There was no white slaves in history.
@@darev6780 Are you serious!?
Of course not lol. But they teach something along those lines in Leftist universities these days.
"How did this get past the censor?"
@Scott Kirk They just heard the foul language and thought cool, edgy!
Because he's a fictional character and not the views of the comedian
I think in some of the cases he mentions - the painter, especially - it's all about the money made in the process of the alleged appropriation. The question is, would the "owners/creators" of the culture in question have been able to make money out of promoting their culture?
The other cases, he's absolutely spot on. Recently I was accused of cultural appropriation for getting a tan in the summer. A TAN!! I asked a friend of mine who is Mexican black and she said that it was the stupidest thing she had ever heard.
Haha - what a refreshingly level-headed and funny bloke. Jonathan Pie is becoming a hero for our times.
It's a huge mistake to assume they are well meaning.
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
You are Sir, are the next George Carlin I have been missing so dearly.
My daughter at 13 white, had dreadlocks put into her blonde hair. She was sent home. This happened 28 years ago !!!!😂😂😂😂
At the Chinese restaurant: "Do you want chopsticks?" - "Yes, please. As a sign of my appreciation of the Chinese culture, I will submit myself to this aspect of it and eat this Chinese dish with chopsticks." - "Damn lacist!"
I make sure to fight cultural appropriation by standing outside my local Chinese and blocking the path of any white people who try to enter. As a result, two businesses have already gone bust due to making no money, but at least I feel good about myself for standing up for the POCs!
As someone of English decent, I think all the SJW’s should stop using my language ... mostly so I don’t have to listen to them anymore.
English has been foisted upon most nations you know that right?
French was foisted upon nations when it was deemed the international language of diplomacy. English was adopted as the international language of business ... that is also why the French are so bitter.
@@TheAlmightyAss And?
Lots of the rubbish from looney lefties is foisted on society.
Lots of the rubbish the outrage mob call cultural appropriation was foisted on other countries.
Doesn't stop them demanding that only those same countries are the only one allowed to use whatever they are bitching about.
@MinecraftPro15 No, it's imperialism and colonialism.
'Descent'
>Straight white male privilege
That's hilarious...
Still waiting on my white privilege card.
@Spongepants Squarebob So if I rob a bank, kill 5 citizens and 3 policemen, aren't I going to get shot? Am I bulletproof?
I know of the cases you are probably referencing, but does that mean that every non-white person currently in the United States of America is in danger or threatened by the possibility of being shot just by passing through an officer? Really?
And then again, thankfully you just listed the most reasonable one of the critiques to this topic... Many people make it look like you are suddenly rich or have higher education, which is absurdly wrong nowadays...
Mines in the post
@Anglo Commando you. The award for the most useless reply goes to you. Congratulations it's the only damn thing you'll ever win.
@Spongepants Squarebob You're completely oblivious to countries or cultures outside of your own bubble which facilitates your fascination with "white privilege". The whole world isn't the US but it is ironic that so many 'culturally aware' SJWs are so shockingly insular and ignorant.
Brilliant cultural analysis, brilliant comedy, spot on rhythm, intonation, choice of register and acting. Brilliant, Mr Pie. Shine on you crazy Diamond!
Dreadlocks aren't w black thing anyway. They are either Minoan (ancient European civilization), Indian, Babylonian or Egyptian. Definitely not Sub Saharan African or Caribbean. Although i am fine with anyone wearing dreads.
They are literally just what happens when you let your hair grow without combing or thorough washing. It's a human thing
@TheActivistBook nah cavemen who didn't comb their hair. Before pictures of people existed
@TheActivistBook cavemen are traced back to 100000 years ago you idiot ahahaha sorry if you weren't aware
@TheActivistBook no, trying to forcefully cut someone else's hair because a black person lost/didn't get a job are two very different things.
@TheActivistBook incorrect, cavemen (Neanderthals) were around before homosapiens .
The only part I disagree with is "well meaning" yeah no they're not that dumb it's intentional
Herp Derp I was thinking the same thing, but it’s one of the few ways to give them a chance to listen, I think.
Haven't seen anyone say so many true things in such a short time!
Jonathan Pie is a great example of how you don't have to be on Team Left or Team Right, or swallow every idea your team's loudest (and usually more extreme) voices thrust in front of you. Check the facts, ignore the loud voices and think about where you stand on the issue and I think most people will have typical Right views on some issues and typical Left views on others.
More Pie please.
Wait, BBC is posting this? Y'all balancing out or something?
that is exactly what i was thinking
😂😂
Money
STAGGERING absence of nuance in these comments. God help some of you if you ever watch Al Murray, your little snowflake heads will explode. Get a grip, it's satire.
Oh, yeah, forgot; satire's like smallpox. Nobody gets that any more either.
WoodyUK opinions are like arse holes - everyone has one
I'm not sure half of Al Murray's audience ever got the nuance to be fair
@@sarahl3721 Maybe; hopefully it's more than half though. Mind you, current evidence...
@@woodyuk9717
I don't know, most people in the comments on his videos I see seem to get it, however they are old videos with new comments
"I think these days, especially on the left, people go, “You either agreed with me 100% or you’re on their side.” You know what I mean? Anyone who votes Conservative is a bigot and anyone who voted leave is a bigot. So I think the left are in danger of forgetting political nuance." - Tom Walker during an interview about his character Jonathan Pie.
By definition, cultural appropriation is stealing. The important thing to note is that there's a difference between cultural appropriation, appreciation, and exchange, despite what some overzealous students might think.
Getting the sombreros and saying they're from Mexico, they represent mexican culture, it not cultural appropriation. But if you're a thug that murders people daily while wearing a sombrero, later known as the Sombrero Killer, then your attributing malice to something that belong to another group of people (MX) If you stealing someone's idea or identity without giving credit (as long as that person/state is still alive) = BAD. Its not that complicated.
Thank you for that knowledge.
Whos saying they invented sombreros? You literally had people who had their hats confiscated when used as an advert for food....
@@khajiithadwares2263 So? You literally had people who had their hats confiscated when used as an advert for food....
Shhh
Don't be knocking Greggs.
Segregation at Adele concerts and MLK Jr is spinning in his grave. Or maybe... Rolling in The Deep. 😎
This is a good argument against intellectual property honestly.
Cultural appropriation is a more complex phenomenon within the broader field of postcolonial study. Please don't let high profile misuses of the term dissuade you from going out there and educating yourself! We should all be reading more.
Cultures have been appropriating cultural ideas for milennia.
Cultures have always influenced each other and that's how mankind has progressed. The idea of fencing off cultures is very odd. I think maybe what the problem is, is when people feel exploited.
I like chilli con carne, does that make me a bad person
Rogue Fox Yep, that shits rank
@@woolery2631 it's super tasty YUM!!!
@@roguefox5171 Sure mate
Yes, you need to realise your white male privilege and go back to eating nothing but plain white bread you evil patriarchal cis-gender snake.
@Insert Name Here but it wouldn't be a full chilli experience without destroying the toilet enamel afterwards.
This is the best and most honest opinion on cultural appropriation I’ve ever heard - absolutely GOLD!