I guess that sould be anyones method when it comes to recording ! Dealing with bad tracks is the worst, and I know what I'm talking about since I'm pretty bad at recording.
I've seen meshuggah live and few times and people always comment "how do they sound so much like their record live?" The answer is that it's not so much that their live sound is like their record, it's that their record is pretty much just the sound of them playing live. No technology, no tricks, just good old fashioned musicians at the very pinnacle of their game. In 100 years time most metal bands will be forgotten, but not Meshuggah, they are a once in a generation band. Everyone should see them live at least once in their life it's an amazing experience. Thanks for this insight!
"No technology" isn't quite right. Catch Thirtythree has programmed drums, and they used samples from the same library on ObZen. However their latest album was recorded live, which is absolutely mind-blowing.
I always get kids telling me this and that band sounds exactly like their album when playing live and i keep having to remind them that it's actually their record that sounds exactly like the band. A lot of kids think that recording is about making something shit sound 'better' by using 'studio magic'
Oh man. Look. Don't view technology as something bad. Mixing a record is as much an art form as playing music. Each project has its own needs and modern equipment makes serving whatever art you're making easier than it was before. (And a hell of a lot less expensive). That's not a bad thing, and it's not a misrepresentation of the artist in any way, it's a showcase of the best that artist can possibly be. And we don't have to sit in the studio for months recording the same damn song anymore because we have computers and digital audio. Sure, great musicianship helps a shitload though, but when someone says "They sound so much like their record live," That's a huge compliment to the musicians, the person mixing the show live, and the person who mixed their album. Recording certainly is sometimes about making something shit sound better by using studio magic. That's the fucking job. Not every group can play perfectly in the studio and it's everyone's job is to make the final product the best it can possibly be. Sometimes less is more and changing certain things from the initial take would be doing the song a disservice... Other times, other times you have to fix things. Or get fired. Edit: You also have to consider the signal chain coming into the board during the recording. They didn't just plug their guitar into a tape machine and shit out this recording.
I've seen them three times and I'm awestruck every time. The last time I saw them a guy did his best to start a fight with me as I made my way to the pit and the only thing that stopped it was me thinking "I don't want to get kicked out right at the beginning of their set".
Listen to Peter Nordin on the None EP. All the grief many put on low-end on guitars...it’s really covered with the bass. That EP shows it clearly. Chaosphere is another one where the bass shows its power. Gustaf used a Mesa head if I remember right.
@@snail415 And it's still goes the same with Lovegreen, i realised it at the end of Pravus (around 4 min 40), where both guitars are playing melodics parts and only the bass play the rytmics part ... and the sound doesn't even changes, that's ridiculous.
There's not a bunch of layers to mask things, everything supports everything else leading to a more clear and hard edged sound. And adding layers to Meshuggah makes them even more brutal!
Reamping these tone would be sacrilege! The guitar and bass just lock in perfectly with everything else but still have their own unique sound, plus, IT'S FREAKING MESHUGGAH !
I always liked how everything on "None" and "D E I" worked so well together. The tones create this structure of complete badassery when put together. They fill the gaps so nicely.
Got goosebumps, that's my childhood right there, 13 years old (in Sweden) hearing Meshuggah's Future Breed Machine for the first time. Still to this day i cannot believe that it had to take Ozzy Osbournes kid to call them a Blackmetal from Norway to get them to be on a "worldstage" where they are today, but i'm sure glad he did! Black Metal or not ;) , this is Sweden at it's best. Meshuggah is the swedish Metal gods, CP-METAL 4 the world!!!!!. Big Thank You to Daniel Bergstrand who i suppose (?) made this happen! Amazing!!!!!!
I guess if it is beginning of 2000s or whatever and you listen to Meshuggah for the first time then you don't know where the fuck to classify them I guess he just went with black metal bc, well, people know Nordics for its bkack metal xd
At 5:19 is the part that I feel I have to keep telling people that try to teach or learn the guitar tone from an album. You aren't hearing the guitar tone... you are hearing a mix of several amps, several guitars, a bass guitar and a studio engineer. You cant expect to encompass all that in a single tone. The only tone you can hope to try to get is the live tone. Otherwise it isn't their tone, it is something the engineer thought sounded great for a mix on a record.
I wished they were mixing Behemoth with Bergstrand. It's so badass and I love that band. Please try and do!!!! :) Or maybe Opeth with Steven Wilson or Jens Bogren, I'd love that!!!
Man I didn't know you could get this old stuff on here! Please get a pantera record. It would be soooooooooooo cool to hear Terry date work his magic. Also to hear raw tracks unboxing.
So, back in '94 we were mostly listening to Marky Mark 'United' and stuff like that 😂 .. and then this metal guy lend my buddy this record. After the 'dishwasher/industrial sounding' intro and shift to that first riff we were like literally blown away 😂 "What the hell is this?!"
Jens had MASSIVE vocal damage at one point. His doctor literally told him to not even whisper for almost a month. He had to change up his style over time.
Imo, their new music isn't monotonous, but rather the chugs have been elongated and more inter-woven with each other. And I like Jens' new style more actually, much more atonal, bassy and inhuman.
i completely forgot how old this song is. i guess when a band consistently puts out good music you don't need to go back in their catalog every time you want to listen to them.
I'm embarking on learning the drums for this - any chance of a solo of the drums for the pre-verse? That is hectic. Great to hear the bass up a bit too.
I saw Dillinger Escape Plan in 1999 or 1998 when they opened up for Mr Bungle and they completely blew my mind. I couldn't believe that what I was watching was real. Much love and respect for them.
If I sign up for nail the mix do I have access to past projects that you guys worked on or is it a one time deal and I have to just keep up with the current month?
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No click here, try comparing the tempo of the first drum groove to when "programmed to appease you" happens. It's noticeably different. Though, no click on Chaosphere surprises me - I know New Millennium Cyanide Christ slows down a bit in the outro, but it's 154bpm straight down the middle until then. Frigging amazing.
@@behindthen0thing525 Bergstrom had a horrible way of re-triggering drum samples when hit resulting in an "upside down" effect. Soil works Figure Number Five is a good example of an upside down snare drum.
I have to accept that over 20 years later, I still try to mix in-the-box to this album’s baseline. It’s basically impossible. I use EZMIX2, Waves plugins, DFH3, Mogami cables, etc. etc. and it’s a waste of time. No matter your intonation, performance, programming and mixing prowess, we ain’t Meshuggah or Bergstrand. But they’ve made us better.
Destroy Erase Improve, I and Violent Sleep are the best sounding Meshuggah albums in my opinion. Obzen and Chaosphere sound huge too but are grating/fatiguing.
Chaosphere changed me when it was released. I can’t really listen to it these days for the same reasons you mention, but from a feel and vibe standpoint, at full-tilt, I think it’s the heaviest album ever made to this day. Downward Spiral by NIN is another that captures a vibe the same, but it’s a different vibe.
There’s something to be considered, mystery of a song/album and its purity is organic. As much as I enjoy the sincere breakdown of FBM, we all heard it without “mixing” in mind. Is this type of critical listening dangerous to real musical connection.?
You know meshuggah has the best mixes because if you look at the waveforms for masters it's just a solid black brick of maximum loudness lmao It sits at 0db peak levels basically the entire album except for the clean/soft parts
There’s so little bleed on the drums because they weren’t recorded live lol They programmed all their drums after None and contradictions collapse..... the last album was the only album with live recorded drums since those two early albums At least that’s what Tomas and Marten said in an interview.
One thing I hate about mixing engineers is your absolute laziness. If the band is extremely tight, and their raw tracks are recorded in a way they sound perfectly - why would we even need you to mix them up? We would just put some basic things like removing whistles and freq conflicts and that’s all. It’s like cutting my hair at home before going to the hairdresser. That’s your job to improve it, if all musicians would sound extremely tight and good, you would just lose your job
Meshuggah sound like complete ass? I never understand the infatuation people have. I like the guitar tone and stuff but it just sounds so conflicting. Like every member is playing a different song all at the same time.
Brad Hargis you must a bit slow or something. Polyrhythms are a bit hard to catch on at first but once you do.. The groove is infectious. Maybe you listen to too much bland 4/4 ac/dc stuff
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Who's mixed this session?? How amazing is it?!
19 year old boy apparently
You know your production is on point when your raw tracks sound almost exactly like your finished mix.
Well, they aren't just dry signals off a microphone. There's plenty of gear on the input side of things.
That's the Colin Richardson method. Get the best possible sound at the source!
I guess that sould be anyones method when it comes to recording !
Dealing with bad tracks is the worst, and I know what I'm talking about since I'm pretty bad at recording.
Record it "good" so you dont have to fix it to "good enough".
mixing becomes a much more fun process when you are given great recordings off the bat
2:10 2:52 3:09 3:44 4:37 4:56 6:07 7:44 8:59 9:19 9:34
For the most part, all the music bits.
I can't get over how good the bass is.
I've seen meshuggah live and few times and people always comment "how do they sound so much like their record live?" The answer is that it's not so much that their live sound is like their record, it's that their record is pretty much just the sound of them playing live. No technology, no tricks, just good old fashioned musicians at the very pinnacle of their game. In 100 years time most metal bands will be forgotten, but not Meshuggah, they are a once in a generation band. Everyone should see them live at least once in their life it's an amazing experience. Thanks for this insight!
Exactly. They are as real as it gets.
"No technology" isn't quite right. Catch Thirtythree has programmed drums, and they used samples from the same library on ObZen.
However their latest album was recorded live, which is absolutely mind-blowing.
I always get kids telling me this and that band sounds exactly like their album when playing live and i keep having to remind them that it's actually their record that sounds exactly like the band. A lot of kids think that recording is about making something shit sound 'better' by using 'studio magic'
Oh man. Look. Don't view technology as something bad. Mixing a record is as much an art form as playing music. Each project has its own needs and modern equipment makes serving whatever art you're making easier than it was before. (And a hell of a lot less expensive). That's not a bad thing, and it's not a misrepresentation of the artist in any way, it's a showcase of the best that artist can possibly be. And we don't have to sit in the studio for months recording the same damn song anymore because we have computers and digital audio. Sure, great musicianship helps a shitload though, but when someone says "They sound so much like their record live," That's a huge compliment to the musicians, the person mixing the show live, and the person who mixed their album. Recording certainly is sometimes about making something shit sound better by using studio magic. That's the fucking job. Not every group can play perfectly in the studio and it's everyone's job is to make the final product the best it can possibly be. Sometimes less is more and changing certain things from the initial take would be doing the song a disservice... Other times, other times you have to fix things. Or get fired.
Edit: You also have to consider the signal chain coming into the board during the recording. They didn't just plug their guitar into a tape machine and shit out this recording.
I've seen them three times and I'm awestruck every time. The last time I saw them a guy did his best to start a fight with me as I made my way to the pit and the only thing that stopped it was me thinking "I don't want to get kicked out right at the beginning of their set".
Holy crap, I’ve listened to a ton of Meshuggah but I just now figured out that the bass is that driving tone to a bunch of it. Brutal.
Listen to Peter Nordin on the None EP. All the grief many put on low-end on guitars...it’s really covered with the bass. That EP shows it clearly. Chaosphere is another one where the bass shows its power. Gustaf used a Mesa head if I remember right.
@@snail415 And it's still goes the same with Lovegreen, i realised it at the end of Pravus (around 4 min 40), where both guitars are playing melodics parts and only the bass play the rytmics part ... and the sound doesn't even changes, that's ridiculous.
That Bass tone is legendary! *Brutality at its most BRUTAL!*
The bass sounds like a really big creature haunting you, the attack in this song is contagious
4:34 "Lets look at the Bass now. *click* ... sounds like a fucking beast". Hilarious
At first I thought “Only guitar left and right? That’s interesting”
...then he soloed the bass...
......jesus h christ.....
look how little "Bleed" there is on these toms hahahaha.
4:30 Fuuuuuuck, that bass sounds like a growling mechanical demon tiger or some shit. Amazing tone!
Pretty mind blowing in the age of 100 to 200 track sessions. Getting right on the way in. So sick.
There's not a bunch of layers to mask things, everything supports everything else leading to a more clear and hard edged sound. And adding layers to Meshuggah makes them even more brutal!
Mark Lewis had 33 drum tracks in the new Whitechapel recording session I believe haha
Reamping these tone would be sacrilege! The guitar and bass just lock in perfectly with everything else but still have their own unique sound, plus, IT'S FREAKING MESHUGGAH !
I always liked how everything on "None" and "D E I" worked so well together. The tones create this structure of complete badassery when put together. They fill the gaps so nicely.
Got goosebumps, that's my childhood right there, 13 years old (in Sweden) hearing Meshuggah's Future Breed Machine for the first time. Still to this day i cannot believe that it had to take Ozzy Osbournes kid to call them a Blackmetal from Norway to get them to be on a "worldstage" where they are today, but i'm sure glad he did! Black Metal or not ;) , this is Sweden at it's best.
Meshuggah is the swedish Metal gods, CP-METAL 4 the world!!!!!. Big Thank You to Daniel Bergstrand who i suppose (?) made this happen! Amazing!!!!!!
Cringe.. I've never heard that story! What happened with Ozzy's kid?
01:58 ua-cam.com/video/9Vij9zVA4oI/v-deo.html
Lmfao thank you!
I guess if it is beginning of 2000s or whatever and you listen to Meshuggah for the first time then you don't know where the fuck to classify them
I guess he just went with black metal bc, well, people know Nordics for its bkack metal xd
A E you deaf? He said death metal, not black
Absolutely nasty bass tone, I love it
I listened to the drums for a very long time soloed. SOOOOO nice!
This.... oh man. this really just annihilated any sense of pride I had left.
Damn Meshuggah. I knew you were inhuman but thats ridiculous.
Haha 😂 i listen to them since i was 12 and i still cant believe what im hearing. Its not from this planet…
I'm not sure who all you can get these mixes from, but I've always wanted to hear a Primus track dissected.
There’s multitracks available of Jerry Was A Racecar Driver and John the Fisherman. They’re even right here on UA-cam
you may have convinced me to sign up for nail the mix just to work with these.
Him "19 year olds out there, what are you doing"
Me: Watching at 3 am gently headbanging having an existential crisis
so badass... hard to believe this was done on adats.
That bass is awesome
At 5:19 is the part that I feel I have to keep telling people that try to teach or learn the guitar tone from an album. You aren't hearing the guitar tone... you are hearing a mix of several amps, several guitars, a bass guitar and a studio engineer. You cant expect to encompass all that in a single tone. The only tone you can hope to try to get is the live tone. Otherwise it isn't their tone, it is something the engineer thought sounded great for a mix on a record.
This album and band period is so important to heavy metal. I would argue they are ALMOST as important as sabbath. No meshuggah no modern metal.
6:08 Having listened to this song millions of times, without the drums I still mistook that riff for the breakdown in Black Label by Lamb of God.
he sounds like H3H3
Telestro Ethan
Telestro no he doesnt
This was a blast to watch and hear the tracks on their own
I wished they were mixing Behemoth with Bergstrand. It's so badass and I love that band. Please try and do!!!! :) Or maybe Opeth with Steven Wilson or Jens Bogren, I'd love that!!!
All wonderful ideas
I'll echo both of those suggestions. Especially Behemoth though, I'd love to get down into that.
Eyal Levi if you can make that happen, it'd be wonderful ;)
the bass tone is soooo fking good, holy crap, that's ridiculous
Why my bass doesn't sound like that ? x)
holy fuckin shit, that bass sounds like it's played on suspension bridge cables instead of bass strings
Wait a minute! How does one get one's hands on the 24 Track Masters for *Future Breed Machine* ?!?
Nail the mix
Do you know what bass drum mic Tomas Haake used to track this album? I love the sound of his kick and snare
Sm69
When I think of Minor 2nds I think Korn
KingOfKings very true plus weird guitar effects
KingOfKings I thought the same
Their first record also came out 1994. Interesting!
3:39 No pun intended.
Just drooling over all this
Crazy how good the recording is without anything, great musicians
Man I didn't know you could get this old stuff on here! Please get a pantera record. It would be soooooooooooo cool to hear Terry date work his magic. Also to hear raw tracks unboxing.
damn so much bass guitar, cool
So, back in '94 we were mostly listening to Marky Mark 'United' and stuff like that 😂 .. and then this metal guy lend my buddy this record. After the 'dishwasher/industrial sounding' intro and shift to that first riff we were like literally blown away 😂 "What the hell is this?!"
This song is the cornerstone of a new wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy a new breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
I miss this style from them. The music had more variety and Jens’ vocals were much more powerful.
Mr. Nerve Damage i very much agree!their more recent material is so stale and monotonous
Jens had MASSIVE vocal damage at one point. His doctor literally told him to not even whisper for almost a month. He had to change up his style over time.
Imo, their new music isn't monotonous, but rather the chugs have been elongated and more inter-woven with each other. And I like Jens' new style more actually, much more atonal, bassy and inhuman.
Same, not taking anything away from their last few albums or anything because bands change and evolve but their earlier material is my go to.
HOW did he get that bass tone ??? It sound like, precise, punchy etc, but he is in Drop A# no ? Or F standard here :/ damn, need to boost mids maybe
I wish they had the bass a tiny bit louder on the album
TIGHT!
That fucking snare, such a nice snap ♥
i completely forgot how old this song is. i guess when a band consistently puts out good music you don't need to go back in their catalog every time you want to listen to them.
These are awesome! Thank you!
I'm fucking SUPER jealous right now.
I'm embarking on learning the drums for this - any chance of a solo of the drums for the pre-verse? That is hectic.
Great to hear the bass up a bit too.
Wait. The dude that recorded this session was 19?? What the fuck am I doing with my life? Holy shit dude.
Right?? FML
You forgot early Dillinger Escape Plan for iconic minor 2nds....
And the opening of Converge "The Saddest Day"
I saw Dillinger Escape Plan in 1999 or 1998 when they opened up for Mr Bungle and they completely blew my mind. I couldn't believe that what I was watching was real. Much love and respect for them.
+Eyal Levi dude you saw Mr. Bungle? It had to be incredible!
Yep. I saw them on the same tour in London. Mike Patton did some vocals for them for their collaboration EP :)
Got the same thing two years ago, watching Car Bomb on stage.
They were opening for Meshuggah. :)
Do you have stems for Futile Bread Machine too?
what a fucking awesome video
If I sign up for nail the mix do I have access to past projects that you guys worked on or is it a one time deal and I have to just keep up with the current month?
you have to keep up. Although you can buy the old months separately.
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I highly doubt they did this without a click. They just didn't include it with the multis.
No click until Nothing album
Yeah exactly. The drums arent like this on the raw tracks either because it doesnt have Bergstroms terrible reverse triggers on the toms.
No click here, try comparing the tempo of the first drum groove to when "programmed to appease you" happens. It's noticeably different.
Though, no click on Chaosphere surprises me - I know New Millennium Cyanide Christ slows down a bit in the outro, but it's 154bpm straight down the middle until then. Frigging amazing.
@@eurologic reverse triggers?
@@behindthen0thing525 Bergstrom had a horrible way of re-triggering drum samples when hit resulting in an "upside down" effect. Soil works Figure Number Five is a good example of an upside down snare drum.
I wonder what pedal they used to get that bass tone. Something like a Tube Screamer, maybe? Does anybody know?
Late response but the old bassist on a UA-cam video said he used a Hartke 3500 and digitech gsp21 for distortion.
@@rustyshackleford9452 Alright, cool, I appreciate the response, man.
Holy shit that bass
Right??
I always played distorted bass, i wanted that metalic sound
Thank You
Where can i find the raw multitracks? I need to remove the guitar and lead guitar for an upcoming exam as i'm playing this song for it
nevermind, found them
Are they using my dad's alarm clock in 1994 back then ? Hmm...
Not getting anywhere with trying to subscribe with your website.
I have to accept that over 20 years later, I still try to mix in-the-box to this album’s baseline. It’s basically impossible. I use EZMIX2, Waves plugins, DFH3, Mogami cables, etc. etc. and it’s a waste of time. No matter your intonation, performance, programming and mixing prowess, we ain’t Meshuggah or Bergstrand.
But they’ve made us better.
Minor seconds at the speed of light? Dillinger Escape Plan
Venasauurrr!!!!
It's. So. Fucking. Gooooooood.
That bass.
'Perpetual black (minor) second' could be a name for a new song by meshuggah.!!
Goddamn that base sounds like Godzilla raping King Kong. What a beastly band. Awesome shit.
They aren't human. Meshuggah is part robot.
6:08 eh it’s that Korn song “Coming Undone” lol.
Destroy Erase Improve, I and Violent Sleep are the best sounding Meshuggah albums in my opinion. Obzen and Chaosphere sound huge too but are grating/fatiguing.
Chaosphere changed me when it was released. I can’t really listen to it these days for the same reasons you mention, but from a feel and vibe standpoint, at full-tilt, I think it’s the heaviest album ever made to this day. Downward Spiral by NIN is another that captures a vibe the same, but it’s a different vibe.
19?!?!??! Fuck me and my 25 year old punk band playin ass
A year before my birth da... -te
:O
There’s something to be considered, mystery of a song/album and its purity is organic. As much as I enjoy the sincere breakdown of FBM, we all heard it without “mixing” in mind. Is this type of critical listening dangerous to real musical connection.?
4:20 - Haake uses a click track. He has talked about it in several interviews. All metal drummers should be using a click track.
Dan Mason not on this record.
Not on Ivory Tower.
Slipknot's first albums were recorded without click and that added so much depth in my opinion
Maiden doesn’t use a click either!
Not using a metronome is 100% stupid.
You know meshuggah has the best mixes because if you look at the waveforms for masters it's just a solid black brick of maximum loudness lmao
It sits at 0db peak levels basically the entire album except for the clean/soft parts
it was not the first...
The rhythm guitars are like p*rn but better.
There's no such thing as a minor second, it's a second and major and minor have the same interval.
that's not the case. a minor second is one semitone. a major second is two semitones.
@@icespittingfire Well in phrygian yeah, but in A minor, for instance, it just a full tone.
@@jelleepit a minor second is always a semitone, by definition
@@icespittingfire I stand corrected.
There’s so little bleed on the drums because they weren’t recorded live lol They programmed all their drums after None and contradictions collapse..... the last album was the only album with live recorded drums since those two early albums
At least that’s what Tomas and Marten said in an interview.
In 1994?
you are wrong. only catch 33 was programmed.
Check your facts dude lol
One thing I hate about mixing engineers is your absolute laziness. If the band is extremely tight, and their raw tracks are recorded in a way they sound perfectly - why would we even need you to mix them up? We would just put some basic things like removing whistles and freq conflicts and that’s all. It’s like cutting my hair at home before going to the hairdresser. That’s your job to improve it, if all musicians would sound extremely tight and good, you would just lose your job
Meshuggah sound like complete ass? I never understand the infatuation people have. I like the guitar tone and stuff but it just sounds so conflicting. Like every member is playing a different song all at the same time.
Maybe you should think about the musicianship it takes to do that
thats what makes em great and they are still grooving
👆🏻
Brad Hargis you must a bit slow or something. Polyrhythms are a bit hard to catch on at first but once you do.. The groove is infectious. Maybe you listen to too much bland 4/4 ac/dc stuff
Obvious troll is obvious.