This not a big deal. India has been designing microchips for years. What India needs it's own microchip fab facilities. I stand corrected India can make a prototype, however, if you do mass production it will have to be made in another nation.
Congratulations Mindgrove, My friend works here in this start-up. He lives in IIT MADRAS, actually he rejected a MNC which he is earning almost double now to involve & learn as much as he can instead of being a part of that MNC. Congrats 🎉 ra mawa, it's just the beginning of your professional journey..there is a lot you need to accomplish
Reporter calls it "truly Indian" and later on the founders state its made in Taiwan. Calm down... what Mindgrove did is a remarkable feat worthy of recognition but Indians who don't know enough about the semiconductor industry should tone down the jingoism.
even the apple arm chips are built by the tiwanese contractors does it make them apple's or taiwan's? Clearly R & D is the source of innovation and that is what's at stake here. I feel it's apt to call it Indian.
@@amanjha9759 well cuz other than Taiwan's TSMC no company can make those advanced chips. Mindgrove only designed the SoC ( like hundreds of other companies) to fulfill their and their clients requirements and contracted Taiwan to make it for them. Arm is a Japanese Softbank owned British chip architecture/designer company. Apple designs its chips ( to fulfill their own requirement )based on ARM architecture and send it to Taiwan to make it.
Congrats to Mindgrove founders and their teams. Also, we’re hoping the fabrication facility to soon come up in Gujarat. That would be launching pad for Bharat’s growth to a technological powerhouse.
Great news! Long way to go but a start has been made. Can’t wait to see the day when India will finally have the ability to compete in this sector. It’s of strategic importance for India. Another India has to be self sufficient sector is the active pharmaceutical ingredient (API). Congratulations!
Even NVidia and Qualcomm are fabless. So no need to have a fab in India. The key point would be to meet price points to make it commercially viable wherever the fab is located
@@tenton459 Maybe you don't understand English. There is a difference between how to strategize for a small startup and for a potential superpower nation. My comment was about what these guys could do and I was not pretending to be an advisor to the great nation of India. Do you think the first few fabs in India will have the capacity to service a small startup? If they want to succeed as a startup they should be prepared to go anywhere including to China, Taiwan, Korea etc. Once they have become bigger they need to think strategically.
Great. Fantastic. Only problem is the actual chip is still being made in Taiwan because all of India does not even have a single nanofab. 10 wasted years for a country of 1.4 billion people.
We didn't get enough info of what kind of SOCs are produced the only reporting was it was made in India. I mean I have so many questions since this story doesn't essentially give any info about what they developed.... Can we have the benchmarks independently verified against chips in the same segment? Also what segment are they targeting? What soc are they competing with since they say it's high end is it Intel's Alder Lake processors or Raptor lake processors or are they SOCs for smartwatches or cars TV's etc
I think it's for IOT function. It's not a main chip but a chip tailored to specific application in the whole system. Their trademark is "secure IOT". Based on RISCV. Given that information the SoC isn't some kind on the level of Intel CPU or smartphone SoC.
Thanks and very congratulations sir, I am a hardware design engineer waiting for this.. from long time, i would like to design embedded hardware design based on this mindgrove microcontroller.
Well done Mindgrove Technologies. Onwards & upwards from now on. Interested to know when you will approach private investors in India & abroad for additional seedcore funding
It's just news business .where news editor directs it's associates to manufacture news because we have to show something daily . I am fed up watching protypes
The key idea is making the chips operate in Indian conditions where temperatures range between 70 and 120 in most parts. I see many YT video makers from India see their devices like GoPro or iPhone turn off in the heat. So it is a great technology problem to solve.
The only way this happens is if they developed all the ip blocks in house and do not have to pay royalties like espressif pays to cadence for licensing the tensilica cores
It's fishy business down there... I tried to download the datasheet,but they only allow datasheet for those who filled the form and email them... I didn't get any response since
"The biggest Chip Firms are fabless i.e they only design the chips and get them manufactured in fab units in East Asia. And they make more money than the manufacturers"
It's RISC V based chip... Which is an specification made by MIT et al. Moreover it's a simple IOT microcontroller it's NOT a processor... But again... Any thing for simping the nation
@@electrolyteorb I know the difference between Microcontroller and Microprocessor. I work at Intel as GPU Design Engineer. And yes I love open source risc v paradigm. It'll be the future
@bhuvaneshs.k638 my guy I'm not talking about you.. I'm talking about this comment section... Of course you know the difference b/w them... As you have mentioned on top of the thread... Btw you working on ARC GPUs rn?
They are designers not manufactures. Most of the chip designs even for AMD, Intel etc are currently being designed in India but not manufactured. Manufacturing requires huge R and D prowess.
The difference is that the IP in this case is owned by a newly-minted Bharat company. I don't believe that is true for AMD and Intel chip designs in Bharat.
Yeah Intel, AMD ko nahi Arduino ko takkar detha hai. Pricing of the chip should be competitive. Designed in India, Made in Taiwan. Future meh MADE IN INDIA hona jaruri hai 😊
I am not sure of other stuff maybe true but the temperature statement doesn't make any sense most SOC covers the temperatures as USA also has the varied temperatures. At the moment even if they are good as competition its good enough
This is a nice first step. This chip might not set the world on fire for pushing boundaries of performance and features, but it may be enough to just be more reliable. But, I don't know if it's solving a problem that exists. Do existing electronics fail at a high rate in India? Is the Indian climate really that harsh on electronics? Often the ambient temperatures are relatively unimportant if the device has adequate ventilation or temperature management, the internal temperatures of the chips is very often very, very much hotter than the ambient temperature. If temperature is not a serious issue, then the chip will compete only on the basis of cost and pricing which can be brutal for very basic industrial chips that only do basic functions.
not even close. I am from India and I know we don’t have that culture where people thrive. It would be so difficult to compete with western manufacturers. It requires so much expertise and we don’t have that unfortunately.
@@nrusimha11 the thing is, ARM and x64 processors require huge licensing fees and agreements, I don't know if we will be seeing them in indian chips any time soon, but i hope we do
@@electrolyteorb Not necessary that those two be the only standards. Bharat should be experimenting with our own platforms, may be as a hardware commons initiative by the government, just like the UPI. You probably know this better than I do, ARM started out very small. Modern development cycles are much shorter so with government support, can quickly have wide adoption. They have to work with long-range thinking and with market forces.
didnt india try to break into the chip industry before with the government's help and failed due to poor infrastructure? how are they going to get this into production?
Oh wait, TSMC making this😂 wait so you are telling me US can basically twist your arm if they want to….. India desperately needs foundaries, AsML machines while they can
i just love how the co-founder and CTO talk crap to look cool cause the reporter doesn't know actual tech, instead of blatantly lying just work on 16 or 32 bit MCU at low cost later add iot and build a community around it, there are already low cost MCU with IOT capability, aerospace and defense grade MCUs are available for more than 5 decade at decent cost, there are already chips getting done by individuals in hacker and opensource community and btw this is not India's first
I am fade up of seeing these tyoes of news... Few month after, they will be lost from news.. Untill unless, chip is being used in phone, this is not going to help a lot.
Wonderful news and the start of big things, no doubt. The founders should not be showing any computer screens in such news coverage in an age of cut throat industrial esp..age. Take the famously tight-lipped fruit company as inspiration.
The biggest Chip Firms are fabless i.e they only design the chips and get them manufactured in fab units in East Asia. And they make more money than the manufacturers
This needs more publicity. This is an amazing moment for Mindgrove and India as a whole.
It has enough among ppl who need to know, end consumer has no idea about SOC anyway, they will start shouting Snapdragon woooo
It’s gonna be garbage just as everything else produced in india
Designed in India... Manufactured in Taiwan by TSMC
@@deeptobhattacharyya3249 You know, Indians are "overproud" people.
But I still consider other brands 😂
Qudos to the MIndgrove team. Every Indian customer should support this company. The start of something big...
Congrats Mindgrove technology team 🎉🎉🎉
This not a big deal. India has been designing microchips for years. What India needs it's own microchip fab facilities. I stand corrected India can make a prototype, however, if you do mass production it will have to be made in another nation.
Wonderful... This types of startup was lacking in india ... Well done mindgrove
Till Modi came
@@maheshrathod204 i absolutely agree 👍
@@roz1 we are on same page 🤩
Chennai has so much talent. Congratulations.
Both of them are not from TN.
Gimei, where are they from???
@@tamilselvan729 not from Tamil Nadu
Fun, where are they from? Are they from North?
@@tamilselvan729 yupp , they are from gujraat
Nice ! Only if we could manufacture them here in India. That would be cherry on top.
Soon
There is lithography fab in Mohali
@@420msclublol... It's too rudimentary... It will still need R&D for year to catch up the light years ahead foreign Fabs
Why lol? Somebody has to start .. than only they can think of catch up.
This is the potential of India, more ways to go congrats to the team
Congratulations Mindgrove, My friend works here in this start-up. He lives in IIT MADRAS, actually he rejected a MNC which he is earning almost double now to involve & learn as much as he can instead of being a part of that MNC.
Congrats 🎉 ra mawa, it's just the beginning of your professional journey..there is a lot you need to accomplish
Is he graduated from iitm?
@@pluto-rixw9 No he had graduated from Manipal University & his major was Microelectronics I think..
@@kaveripakamsaichandrahas5011 oh oke..
Thanks bro
Reporter calls it "truly Indian" and later on the founders state its made in Taiwan. Calm down... what Mindgrove did is a remarkable feat worthy of recognition but Indians who don't know enough about the semiconductor industry should tone down the jingoism.
even the apple arm chips are built by the tiwanese contractors does it make them apple's or taiwan's? Clearly R & D is the source of innovation and that is what's at stake here. I feel it's apt to call it Indian.
@@amanjha9759 well cuz other than Taiwan's TSMC no company can make those advanced chips. Mindgrove only designed the SoC ( like hundreds of other companies) to fulfill their and their clients requirements and contracted Taiwan to make it for them.
Arm is a Japanese Softbank owned British chip architecture/designer company. Apple designs its chips ( to fulfill their own requirement )based on ARM architecture and send it to Taiwan to make it.
@catfish9391 Ad hominem. If you can't refute his point, attack his race, state etc lmao
Excited to get my hands on it. Being an electronic product developer, excited to experiment with it😁
We and government definitely should support. Otherwise they will move to any western country.
Congrats to Mindgrove founders and their teams. Also, we’re hoping the fabrication facility to soon come up in Gujarat. That would be launching pad for Bharat’s growth to a technological powerhouse.
Congratulations 🇮🇳👍
Great news! Long way to go but a start has been made. Can’t wait to see the day when India will finally have the ability to compete in this sector. It’s of strategic importance for India. Another India has to be self sufficient sector is the active pharmaceutical ingredient (API). Congratulations!
Heartiest congratulations🎉🎉🎉
Even NVidia and Qualcomm are fabless. So no need to have a fab in India. The key point would be to meet price points to make it commercially viable wherever the fab is located
There is VERY much a need to have a fab in India.
'No need to have a fab in India'. When the sanctions cone, you will sing a different tune.
@@tenton459 Maybe you don't understand English. There is a difference between how to strategize for a small startup and for a potential superpower nation. My comment was about what these guys could do and I was not pretending to be an advisor to the great nation of India. Do you think the first few fabs in India will have the capacity to service a small startup? If they want to succeed as a startup they should be prepared to go anywhere including to China, Taiwan, Korea etc. Once they have become bigger they need to think strategically.
My highschool son designed a chip for their school project...😂😂😂😂
People....
PLEASE STOP COMPARING THIS TO NVIDIA AND QUALCOMM... ITS A CHIP FOR EMBEDDED APPLICATIONS... DONT GET TOO PUMPED
Great. Fantastic. Only problem is the actual chip is still being made in Taiwan because all of India does not even have a single nanofab. 10 wasted years for a country of 1.4 billion people.
You forgot to mention that all the nanofabs built in the previous 60 years vanished into thin air. Detectives are still trying to solve that one.
congratulations mindgrove technologies team
We didn't get enough info of what kind of SOCs are produced the only reporting was it was made in India. I mean I have so many questions since this story doesn't essentially give any info about what they developed.... Can we have the benchmarks independently verified against chips in the same segment? Also what segment are they targeting? What soc are they competing with since they say it's high end is it Intel's Alder Lake processors or Raptor lake processors or are they SOCs for smartwatches or cars TV's etc
I think it's for IOT function. It's not a main chip but a chip tailored to specific application in the whole system. Their trademark is "secure IOT". Based on RISCV. Given that information the SoC isn't some kind on the level of Intel CPU or smartphone SoC.
8051 Core.....😂😂😂😂😂
It's a 0.7 GHz Microcontroller for embedded and IOT applications
Congrats Mindgroove 👏
Congratulations mindgrov3
congratulations🎉🎉🎉 guys
Thanks and very congratulations sir, I am a hardware design engineer waiting for this.. from long time, i would like to design embedded hardware design based on this mindgrove microcontroller.
Designed in india still manufactured in Taiwan..
wait for 4-5 years it will be indigenous .
Same as designed in Cupertino still manufactured in Taiwan
Design in India by Indian Co, It's a Very Big Achievement at Present. Before No Indian Company Dare to Do It.
Congratulations Mindgrove team 🎉
Well done Mindgrove Technologies. Onwards & upwards from now on. Interested to know when you will approach private investors in India & abroad for additional seedcore funding
Watche, Washing Machines, Smart Lockers- Why call it high end chip? It won't run Mobiles or laptops.
- However, Good start. Great development.
Yeah no more than that or else big brother will get jealous haha
Ironical username 🙂
@@nrusimha11?
I think their competition is espressive systems or node mcus
long way to go, currently i am using espressif chips
It's not clear if they have a wifi radio built-in
maybe more akin to amtel2560.
Well done India!
Invest in this company, people of india
What’s the use of the can’t produce for mass market and has to depend on other countries for combination of structure to reality
Indeed a stepping stone 🎉. Congratulations
What do climatic conditions have to do with microcontrollers
Anchor says its a SOC
Video Title says its a Microcontroller
😂
It's just news business .where news editor directs it's associates to manufacture news because we have to show something daily .
I am fed up watching protypes
Is it running on rtos developed in India or relies on other popular rtos?
Welcome Mindgroove
1:14 GOOD INITIATIVE
Great, but just for info the base ISA (instruction set architecture) is RISC-V original to UC Berkeley
Congrats Mind grove team 👌👌🎉🎉
Indian chip are more secure and give better privacy then chinese pre hacked chips
100%
Balaji
😂😂😂😂😂8051 core
🤦🖕
Tell me you don't know anything about ISAs and the difference between MCU and MPU
The key idea is making the chips operate in Indian conditions where temperatures range between 70 and 120 in most parts. I see many YT video makers from India see their devices like GoPro or iPhone turn off in the heat. So it is a great technology problem to solve.
We need more custom battery chips to avoid burning up of EVs
Are they competing with Espressif of China? That will be a tall order. It has already replaced the popular Arduino and Raspberry Pi
The only way this happens is if they developed all the ip blocks in house and do not have to pay royalties like espressif pays to cadence for licensing the tensilica cores
@@pranjalkushwaha197 Good point. I hope the founders address this specific point.
Actually, it is a 8051 Core😂😂😂😂
@@VanDuc-hm6sp Bruh, why not go riscV instead of that ancient thing.
@@VanDuc-hm6sp 😂😂😂 you've got to be kidding me...
What's next? 6502 based processor with x87 coprocessor?
Congratulations Hope you grow more in future.
Is it 3 nm? 5nm?
It's fishy business down there...
I tried to download the datasheet,but they only allow datasheet for those who filled the form and email them...
I didn't get any response since
RISC-V is the future 🚀
How is it not in news despite being so popular.
"The biggest Chip Firms are fabless i.e they only design the chips and get them manufactured in fab units in East Asia. And they make more money than the manufacturers"
TV18 should do some research before saying India's first microcontroller, SoC, xyz.
Most of the people in the comment section dont know what microcontroller are or where fabrication is done. India has no functional fab
The comment section is full of simps...
"India superpower"
They really don't know TSMC is doing the heavy lifting for us
It's RISC V based chip... Which is an specification made by MIT et al. Moreover it's a simple IOT microcontroller it's NOT a processor...
But again... Any thing for simping the nation
@@electrolyteorb yes it's either TSMC or any other Fabs offshore.
@@electrolyteorb I know the difference between Microcontroller and Microprocessor. I work at Intel as GPU Design Engineer. And yes I love open source risc v paradigm. It'll be the future
@bhuvaneshs.k638 my guy I'm not talking about you.. I'm talking about this comment section...
Of course you know the difference b/w them... As you have mentioned on top of the thread...
Btw you working on ARC GPUs rn?
Which foundry
Why is this news not viral , this is immense
They are designers not manufactures. Most of the chip designs even for AMD, Intel etc are currently being designed in India but not manufactured. Manufacturing requires huge R and D prowess.
The difference is that the IP in this case is owned by a newly-minted Bharat company. I don't believe that is true for AMD and Intel chip designs in Bharat.
@@nrusimha11 what are you talk about? this M.C is a RISC base. which is opensource mean anyone can use it, no one can own it
@@jetli740 It can still be open source platform but proprietary implementation, which I am expecting this is.
Imagine congress would have Initiated this step back in 90s or 2000s .
But congress was busy doing politics 0n poverty and pseduo secularism
Yeah Intel, AMD ko nahi Arduino ko takkar detha hai. Pricing of the chip should be competitive. Designed in India, Made in Taiwan. Future meh MADE IN INDIA hona jaruri hai 😊
Risc 5??
yes
8051😂😂
@@VanDuc-hm6sp bro... By any chance you read the datasheet?
They are not freely proving the datasheet on their website... It looks really fishy
@@VanDuc-hm6sp if you do have datasheet... Please link it here
I am not sure of other stuff maybe true but the temperature statement doesn't make any sense most SOC covers the temperatures as USA also has the varied temperatures. At the moment even if they are good as competition its good enough
That's cool!
This is a nice first step. This chip might not set the world on fire for pushing boundaries of performance and features, but it may be enough to just be more reliable. But, I don't know if it's solving a problem that exists. Do existing electronics fail at a high rate in India? Is the Indian climate really that harsh on electronics? Often the ambient temperatures are relatively unimportant if the device has adequate ventilation or temperature management, the internal temperatures of the chips is very often very, very much hotter than the ambient temperature.
If temperature is not a serious issue, then the chip will compete only on the basis of cost and pricing which can be brutal for very basic industrial chips that only do basic functions.
It will help drive down chip costs.
Wonderful. Jai hind ❤
Impressive
Semiconductor sector can create millions of much needed jobs in India. But government need to throw more subsidies.
Godspeed guys, godspeed.
Congrats, guys :) Hope one day you'll be Nvidia! :)
that's fantastic
wish this goes to the stm level
Hell yeah 🔥
not even close. I am from India and I know we don’t have that culture where people thrive. It would be so difficult to compete with western manufacturers. It requires so much expertise and we don’t have that unfortunately.
Congrats, everyone make their own lunch box … 👍
Government should give subsidies
🎉🎉
#MadeInIndia
🪷🙏ஜெய் ஸ்ரீ ராம் 🙏🪷
Let's gooo
But nobody will use it for now...
May be repairs of electronic machine become cheaper
👍🙏🏻❤️🇮🇳
do they have thier own facility or just giving design to taiwan company to manufacture and sell it as india stuff ??
I think they are copying the same method Apple follows
@@nrusimha11 no they are in no match for apple or ARM processor in general... They are copying the same method that Rockchip or STM follows
@@electrolyteorb I meant, design in-house and outsource manufacturing, just as Apple does. How sophisticated the chips are is just a matter of time.
@@nrusimha11 the thing is, ARM and x64 processors require huge licensing fees and agreements, I don't know if we will be seeing them in indian chips any time soon, but i hope we do
@@electrolyteorb Not necessary that those two be the only standards. Bharat should be experimenting with our own platforms, may be as a hardware commons initiative by the government, just like the UPI. You probably know this better than I do, ARM started out very small. Modern development cycles are much shorter so with government support, can quickly have wide adoption. They have to work with long-range thinking and with market forces.
Elon Musk always says that the real challenge is ramping up mass production.
I wish best for these guys.. and hopefully they don't sell themselves to some foreign company and walkout with the money 🤑
Clarify first, Microcontroller or SOC ?
didnt india try to break into the chip industry before with the government's help and failed due to poor infrastructure? how are they going to get this into production?
Vote for Bjp
Oh wait, TSMC making this😂 wait so you are telling me US can basically twist your arm if they want to….. India desperately needs foundaries, AsML machines while they can
Not only that... But the ISA of the chip, RISC V is also made by UC Berkeley...
It is possible to sell even snake-oil in the name of "100% Indian"
INDIA vs CHINA Who will win the technological challenge? It will be really interesting to find out the answer
Corruption will end this.
Good luck Mindgrove to become Intel of India.
Not intel of India... Get you facts correct... It's more like STM or Rockchip of india
i just love how the co-founder and CTO talk crap to look cool cause the reporter doesn't know actual tech, instead of blatantly lying just work on 16 or 32 bit MCU at low cost later add iot and build a community around it, there are already low cost MCU with IOT capability, aerospace and defense grade MCUs are available for more than 5 decade at decent cost, there are already chips getting done by individuals in hacker and opensource community and btw this is not India's first
100% facts
I am fade up of seeing these tyoes of news...
Few month after, they will be lost from news..
Untill unless, chip is being used in phone, this is not going to help a lot.
So you planning to use 0.7 GHz chip in your phone?
😂😂😂😂😂
I am using internet speed of 2g paying price of 4g. While having two service provider giving same speed at same time.
Now they can sell it to Russia and China.
You lost me at an indian guy named Jude...
Congrats. You caught up to 20 year old Intel/ Microchip technology. Stop with the jingoism and look at the hard facts.
I don't want it even if you give it for free. This chip has the most fecal matter per square nanometer than any other in the market.😂
Get to the end and they reveal that the chips are actually manufactured outside India 😅
Just like how Apple chips are manufactured outside USA
Wonderful news and the start of big things, no doubt. The founders should not be showing any computer screens in such news coverage in an age of cut throat industrial esp..age. Take the famously tight-lipped fruit company as inspiration.
Hope its not an American's chip technology.....
What do you mean by that?
It is... It is built upon RISC V
Some are saying it is India made in India Microchip but in reality it is made in Taiwan.We are as usual delivery Boy😊😊😊
R&D done in india so technically they are not delivery boys
R&D done in India only manufacturing in Taiwan .
use some brain......in that sense apple is ALSO delivery boy...dumbness has no boundary
The biggest Chip Firms are fabless i.e they only design the chips and get them manufactured in fab units in East Asia. And they make more money than the manufacturers
By this logic, every country is delivery boy except Taiwan and Netherlands. You bat servant...