The greatest thing about S1 of Mandalorian is how they stayed away from all the big established characters and plot lines and focused on new original ones. S2 changed it but it’s expected to happen with bigger stakes and picture
I mean boba fett shows it perfectly. The new boba was basically a nee character, but the whole show got overshadowed by mando cause he was more popular. If ahsoka and luke and bo katan showed up in S1 people would care about them more than mando. Once mando was established he could stand equal to those characters in the episodes they appeared in.
@@cephery8482 yeah I don’t like that they changed boba so much, I mean after being a brutal bounty hunter his entire life I’m surprised he didn’t kill some characters on the spot for betraying him. I suppose he wants to start a new beginning of peace, because he’s been growing more attachments. But I just wish he was more brutal towards his enemies at least, like Fennac Shand.
@@dr.chalmers7923 to me it just sounds like disney wanted their super popular character to be clean so they could market them better, but didnt want to take the steps to shown them getting clean, and just jumped there. Like boba was just fighting luke over the sarlacc, then was being held as a slave. Near death experience whatever no way did he at that time befriend the sand people
Maybe to a degree. Realistically I think they're being forced to rewrite scripts to include more fan favorites to use Disney's only positively received Star Wars project as a springboard for their upcoming ones, and what makes "The Mandalorian" the mandalorian is diluted in that pursuit.
@@cephery8482 They did show it. Him befriending the sand people wasn't a jump. He knew he couldn't survive the dunes on his own, so he played along with the tuskens. All the while he was contemplating his life as a bounty hunter. And not just a near death experience, he was dead. Metaphorically. Then he saw with his own eyes how hard it is to live in the galaxy without taking advantage of other people, and actually taken advantage off. All these compounded and he decides that the old Boba was dead, and the new Boba would be one not based on fear, but on respect. And this was all done in through the course of 4 years. It didn't feel like 4 years in the show, but according to the timeline, from the events of ROTJ to TBOBF it is 4 years. Plenty of time for him to gradually change. I know Disney is doing for the express purpose of what you said, a clean marketable character. But its done well imo.
The Halo series really looks like a project that got stuck in development hell before getting rewritten as a "What if we made The Mandalorian?". It's soulless. They shouldn't have made a Halo show starring the Chief. I think the character should remain in the video game medium. There are plenty of stories possible in the Halo universe that could be brought to TV, why not an ODST miniseries shot like Band of Brothers? If they want a ship-based show, why not tell the adventures of a UNSC ship, like a mix of Battlestar Galactica and classic Star Trek?
I actually disagree with keeping Chief in the games only. I think if done right and following the existing books an awesome show can be made following Chief since his childhood and how he slowly becomes the legend that saves humanity. You can have him helmetless when he's younger but once he is given his MJOLNIR armor we never see his face again or rarely even. That's my two cents on the matter.
If it was rewritten as a "What if we made The Mandalorian?" this Halo show would be totally different thing altogether. If it was character driven as Mando, they would not be butchering the characters by changing them as they are doing... Halo is trying to do a nuanced take on humanity which is really not working out because they're arbitrarily changing the Halo lore to "easily" (but to its detriment) fit this narrative. Chief can work outside of games, the issue is that this chief is not really a good portrayal of what people expect of chief or the spartans.
@@StarWarsJibaro I agree to some extent, but I think it would be a lot better to keep his role as minimal as possible. Like maybe have him appear only in the finale. It would build hype and intrigue. It gives them less chance to screw up the character. If people had to wait until the end of the season to see him, or know if they will see him, it would be a lot more effective when they finally do. Plus a lot more people would be able to look past any grievances or 'mistakes' with the character. Of course though, the rest of the show and characters would have to be done well for this to work. People were hating on this show as soon as the trailers dropped. They were banking on people just wanting to see a live action Master Chief. He should of been a bonus for people who watch the show, not the main selling point
"We didn’t look at the game. We didn’t talk about the game. We talked about the characters and the world. So I never felt limited by it being a game.” This. This philosophy is exactly how you *don’t* adapt a property. Even if creative freedom is almost always a positive, you have to be very careful when creating an adaptation of an existing IP. And with everything in the Halo series so far, it shows they haven’t been careful, and it’s no wonder why it’s so hated… There’s a reason why this series has failed, but the Sonic movie, for example, has been very well received.
I actually didn't like the "How to Train your Dragon" film when it came out because it didn't stay very true to the books but it's still an amazing film. At the time it was released I was still reading the books and came to later find out it followed more than I had believed originally just that some of the material was from later books in the series. Still, if you are to find a picture of the Dragon 'Toothless' he looks completely different to his original design. Like you said there is no set way to adapt an established story but there are definitely some key ways to NOT do it. Thankfully that film turned out ok, same with the Witcher on Netflix and even I'd say the latest Tomb Raider which references the game story. None of those are terrible but so far the reviews for this is that it's awful.
@@judechauhan6715 I found the books after the movie, and I love both. They both keep the core message and the core themes, only changing the details of the overall story. After the first movie though, the cinematic world became its own thing. And again, I love the books' world and the cinematic world. Because the core message of the books, that xenophobia and war will not create a peaceful world is the same in the cinematic version. The hatred of the dragons and a call for war is what leads to the downfall of people and the drive for peace and the love for the dragons is what leads to a lasting peace for the future.
@@judechauhan6715 there is a big difference between a franchises of books almost know one has heard of vs arguably one of the most important video game characters and franchises ever. Some parts of some franchises just should be changed. Better to make something new then change a core aspect of a universe.
Most Video Game turned shows seem to be doing that same thing. So far Sonic seems to be the only good video game turned movie/series we’ve gotten. I would bring up Witcher but that’s primarily based off of the books anyways. So that’s technically two series that care about the source material lol.
@@DANTVSVERGIL The Witcher show is based on the books in the same way the MCU is based on the Comics. They've taken a lot of liberties, but unlike the MCU where the liberties were done to make a compelling movie series the changes to the Witcher show are to show off the abilities of the writing team. When pretty much every good moment from S2 only exists cause Henry Cavill told them what to do you know how bad the adaptation is.
Never thought I'd see you talk about Halo. I'm a huge Halo fan, but the halo TV series seems...off, to put it mildly. Chief acts like Mando in the show, which isn't at all how he actually is in the games/main universe. He takes his helmet off waaaay too much
Chief doesn't even feel like Din, he feels like some dude named John who doesn't know anything that's going on and just follow the bread crumbs of plot that given to him. The main reason it feels off is because Halo has become a drama, the war? the aliens? who cares, let's focus on the drama of the human characters
I get the sentiment, but I don't think any soldier does that outside of combat. It made sense for a video game, but there was no in universe reason he kept the helmet on. He was just always in combat because the player was controlling him. Once he got out of combat, he did take his helmet off. No showing his face, I'd agree with. During downtime, we gotta take that sweaty thing off.
@@LordHollow Not entirely, Spartans hated being out of their armor and Chief was regularly wearing his helmet even in the presence of high ranking officers.
@@ImTheReverse Chief is the UNSCs best weapon. He's also super loyal to them. In the show, he goes A-wall very first episode, just because of some kid who is supposed to be a terrorist
@@ImTheReverse Also, chief in the show is called by the covenant, "a blessed one", because he can activate forerunner technology. Well, in the games and lore, every single human has that power. The humans are called "reclaimers" by the forerunners. Any human can activate forerunner tech, including the Halo rings themselves, because the humans hold something called "The mantle of responsibility", given to them by the pre-cursors. So it's kinda dumb that in the show it's exclusive to chief and someone else, basically giving them superpowers, which is dumb
Well as is the age old critique: they are buying the IP to tell their story not the IP to continue the story. They use the IP to pad their numbers because the studios know that no one would watch a New IP with such a story.
Also, a New IP would require an increasingly scarce gift in Hollywood, called IMAGINATION!! Nobody in Hollywood has any imagination anymore, and it sickens me to watch rich people with no vision steal long-lived IPs, and completely ruin them with blatant political commentary aimed at the real world viewers. If they had any imagination at all, they would come up with original material. But they are unable to do so, because these newbies grew up without the ability (or the courage) to create for themselves.
@@jacob4920 I suppose the problem is that it's hard to make anything truly original, kinda feels like "everything" has been done already. So whenever you do try make something new, it sort of ends up resembles another IP anyway
@@TheArrowedKnee "There is nothing new under the sun" -William Shakespeare. Originality is overrated, it's all in the execution. For instance, Star Wars has probably the most cookie cutter plot you could think of. It didn't matter though, because it was well executed and viewers were lost in the world before them.
@@TheArrowedKnee The "everything has been done before" problem has been a thing for literal centuries. It never bothered Hollywood in the past. If you look deeply enough, every book of fiction ever written copies at least a few things from earlier books. Not plot points. But themes, subversions, plot points, and even character models. Even the Lord of the Rings was mostly a fantasy-canvas for real life events that JRR Tolkien himself lived through. A strong argument could be made that nothing truly original has been written since medieval times. That's a LONG time to have no true originality. But if you have imagination, this is not a problem. You can write around it. You can disguise the similarities, so that they are not readily obvious to the reader/viewer. Only upon doing some deep digging will those similarities become obvious. What we are seeing nowadays is a blatant slap across the face of literally everything that has come before. There is no imagination, therefore there is nothing truly original anymore. That's sad. But it's not an insurmountable problem, with a little effort. As a dude who writes fiction himself, I know that there are plenty of people out there, like myself, who are more than willing, and able, to fix this problem Hollywood currently finds itself in. But Hollywood is a "closed society," so they don't even contemplate asking us plebians for help.
@@philipfahy9658 Actually, "There is nothing new under the sun" wasn't a quote by Shakespeare. Well, I guess it was, but he was quoting King Solomon, an Israelite king from roughly the same time period as Classical Greece. Also, Lincoln's famous "house divided speech" wasn't his idea, he's openly quoting Jesus Christ, and actually expected his audience to understand the reference.
Western writers seem, at times, utterly unable to understand why masked main characters work so well in their respective contexts. It's sad, because the concept has a lot of potential both visually as well as storytelling-wise. Another point is the usage of "checkmark lists". Instead of establishing characters and their motivations, and letting them organically drive the plot forward, there's always an artificial "A, then B, then C" -structure present in these works. Or "re-imaginings", mind you. Why on earth would your audience care for your characters, when YOU clearly don't care.
Doesn't help when you bring in actors in a TV adaptation. If the show does well that actor is going to want to be known for that role and the easiest way to do that is let the audience see your face. If you don't then you can be more easily replaced next season if someone else is voicing your lines.
It seemed obvious they greenlight a Halo series because of The Mandalorian's success, so another studio wanted to make a space saga starring a warrior who keeps his helmet on. Instead, they used a script in circulation from a decade ago, ignoring key aspects of Master Chief's character
Paramount paid as much attention to Halo as Amazon did to Lord of the Rings. For a series so clearly inspired by The Mandalorian it's clear they didn't get why it worked. Well, I'll tell you why, because it doesn't follow a main character from the main series; it follows an OC called Din Djarin. Invent some random Spartan III OC for the main character and save the Chief for a season finale cameo the way Mando did with Luke Skywalker. There are so many ways to do Halo right I'm shocked Paramount screwed it up. It's not like so many other cases where no one knows what it will look like when moved to this format. Halo has been done in live action. Halo has been done animated. Halo has had several well received side stories that have nothing to do with Master Chief or Cortana. We already know it can work. What the hell happened? Why can't the mainstream do an adaptation to save its life? Makes me wonder what kind of horrors we can expect when Amazon rolls out their show based on Fallout.
Wait, Amazon is making a show based on Fallout? God, this shit needs to stop before they ruin every single franchise imaginable with these horrible shows.
@@lokeyodinson8749 I honestly had the same thought, first season should have been noble team and possibly even the fall of reach ( feelings on that idea). its one of the reasons I didn't care for reach as a game. it focused so hard on the characters it felt like you were missing the plot.
That's what Hollywood has been about for the past decade+ taking over old beloved nerd franchises, and taking all the clout and doing very little to appreciate/respect what made them special before trying to add or take into different directions... usually to sell a message, than telling good stories appropriate for that franchise
As a huge halo fan. It speaks volumes that I haven’t watched the show it didn’t look or sound good before it came out. Then when I watched other fan reviews it was just as I suspected.
I've only watched the first episode. The show is definitely visually pleasing, it showed some real brutality that i was not expecting at all, which was cool for a gritty universe like Halo. But other than that, a lot of the casting choices, story choices and what they decided to focus on was extremely jarring to me as an avid fan of the games.
Me neither and I loved halo for over 20 years, but I won’t give paramount any views or subscribers, I just wish more fans didn’t watch it. Just because it says “Halo” doesn’t mean it’ll be good or worth your time, I’ve only watched reviews and it’s quite clear this show is dogshit.
The thing that annoys me isn’t that he removed his helmet, he has removed his helmet in the books and lore etc etc, but we’d never seen his face on-screen (other than a close-up in halo 4 legendary ending). The halo faithful have waited over 20 years to see his face on the big-screen and this is how they do it. It was cheap, rushed and just feels insulting.
@Shermos Trekkies often hate new series sight unseen. Just ask the cast and crew of The Next Generation. So, of course, Discovery and Picard would face fan backlash.
@@TheVeritas1 The first 2 seasons of TNG are garbage. It really did deserve the initial hate it received. But, with Rodenberry out of the way, it found it's footing and got better. Discovery and Picard never will.
@@jsross33 Discovery hit its stride in Season 3 by jumping to an unexplored era (32nd Century). Like DS9, Disco ignored its haters and leaned into the darker tone, adventurous tone, and emotions that make it unique. As for Picard, it's enjoying one of the best Second Seasons of any Trek show. The reason is seeing Picard really face his mortality instead of denying it. This drama is balanced by a time travel adventure that is thrilling, funny, and timely social commentary. It also further develops Picard's new crew in fascinating and unexpected ways. The mind game between Dr. Jurati and the Borg Queen alone is worth watching this season.
@@TheVeritas1 TNG had a rocky start, but it had all the fundamentals of a good Trek show. The new crop of shows eschew Roddenberry's vision and were badly conceived from the start.
Are you sure people weren't distracted by Luke's re-emergence than Grogu and Din's parting? That's most fan discussion focused on... and people knew they were never keep those two apart for long, and they were right (cough BOBF)
No, S1 didn't have Luke at all. But I cared about them, which why I watched S2 and was blown away by its finale. Luke showing up was everything we wanted but we followed Din and Grogu, which we grew to love as new characters. Like Ahsoka!
Honestly I think the way to go for bringing these IP's to the television screen, is to explore the universe in a less well known angle-and only hint at or tease the most integral character/elements. I think this would work, as it removes a lot of the burden of expectations on these adaptations, and proves that the studio can produce good faithful content-which will enable them to pull in a far greater approval when they adapt the real meat of stories like HALO. Additionally, it doesn't ruin attempts to adapt a franchise in quite the same way. A good example of this, is the netflix series Arcane-where one of the less interesting and liked aspects of League of Legends lore was bought to life. It may not be intentional, but all the fans I've talked to are incredibly enthusiastic about future series which could revolve around the 'main story,' or most liked characters. Mandalorian also kind of did this, showing us a spinoff series with very little reference to the rest of the star wars universe, then bringing in more 'star wars' elements when they proved they could be trusted with a little. I'm personally somewhat ambivalent to the idea of an adaptation of Master Chief himself (I still think the games are the best medium for him), but I would be far more willing to accept and enjoy the series if a less story-intensive series had been produced, confirming the expertise and knowledge of the studio in regards to their source material and creative ingenuity. Sadly, it appears many of the writers didn't even look into the lore by their own admission :/
One thing I'd like to point out too is I absolutely love that the Mandalorian and Boba Fett directors know so much about Star Wars lore that they know how to implement it into the show, for example The Book of Boba Fett introduced Scorpenek Annihilator Droids, something that was from the expanded universe and was brought to canon Another thing is the planet Tython in the Mandalorian, I didn't expect such a sacred planet of the Jedi from legends to make an appearance. I did wish that it would've shown Mando traveling to Tython though considering how extremely dangerous it is to travel to the deep core of the galaxy.
The Halo show has made every human evil and unlikable. It makes you root for the Covenant. The goal of the Covenant is the extinction of the human race. Thanks to Hollywood extinction is the best case scenario.
Well to be fair if the Covenant did succed in the great journey we would have no more Flood and Halo 5 would have never happened. I would take that as a win.
@@emberfist8347 actually the flood would still be around on various installations, the rings just removed the flood's food sources, IE sentients from the galaxy. not to mention if i remember correctly during the forerunners time the flood came from outside the galaxy chasing the humans. so it probably exists somewhere else too
@@emberfist8347 that’s right idk why I thought that they came from outside, they came from the precursors, but aside from that the flood are not destroyed by the rings they are essentially immune to it, it just kills their food
As someone who spent 20 years getting emotionally connected to the characters within Halo I have 0% interest in watching what the show’s creators have acknowledge to essentially be a revisionist history of Halo
Jon Favreau & Dave Filoni love Star Wars franchise, and you can feel in the show I don't know who is in charge of the Halo series, I haven't even started to watch it, so...
I quite enjoy both honestly, especially as this Halo series had been stated to be in an alt timeline so is separate from the main canon, so the deviations don't trigger me all that much, it could easily have been worse, *MUCH* worse *shudders at that Netflix Cowboy Bepbop and the SW sequel trilogy.* But so far, Mandalorian's the better show for sure.
It’s funny how before the show released, most halo fans (gathered from the trailers comment section) agreed the show looked amazing save for Cortana and now Cortana is the only character that acts like themselves.
Even though Mando was a new story it followed lore, Halo, despite the fact that it has video games, novels and etc. the creators choose to ignore it all, like KK saying they didn't have any sorce material, clearly it is not the way! DB Evolution went a similar route and look what happened.
i remember hearing about how the show writers bragged about "oh we didn't look or discuss the games at all when making it" like that's a great way to shoot yourself in the foot on selling a series based on said game
Lore doesn't need to be handled a certain way anymore.. it can all be brushed aside for THE MESSAGE and if you don;t like it, get called the worst people on Earth and invalidate any of your opinions.
The theory is that any franchise can be made to appeal to more people by including more diverse characters, and sidelining the less diverse ones. Once the backlash begins, you need to purge the toxic fans who are offended. Now, free from impurities, the franchise will appeal to everyone on earth. The original lore is seen as that unfortunate first misstep into an ideologically pure future.
@@dac314 woke culture is some bs (and to some extent, a commie bs) that is kept alive by soulless greed and capitalism. except instead of looking for the biggest fish to catch, they just goes for most foamy water
Halo: Doing lore wrong. Mando: Doing lore right. Mando introduced a new character into an established universe and made that character fit in like a missing puzzle piece Halo? Halo took Master Chief, a MAIN CHARACTER WHO PEOPLE HAVE EXPECTATIONS OF, and entirely turned him into a joke in the first episode by not having Master Chief live in his armor, keep his helmet on, and not having Steve Downes do the voice work.
Ok, here's the thing companies need to do when doing anything when it comes to stuff like this, get someone like UA-camrs to help. Not any UA-camrs, but the big ones, the ones that know the ins and outs of a franchise. There's people out there who are practically an encyclopedia, a huge wealth of knowledge, who'd instantly figure out if something was going to work or completely contradict lore. And just before you say it's dumb and Disney will never hire a UA-camr, there was this guy who made redid the model of Luke Skywalker from the Mando when he first showed up and legitimately did a better job than Disney, Disney, a company with practically endless amount of money, he was able to blow their stuff out of the water. It even looked like Mark do a degree. Disney actually ended up hiring him. So there is definitely the possibility Disney will hire more UA-camrs. I suggest this because companies these days don't see to understand the franchises they own anymore.
One is the story of a mysterious badass who discovers the joys of fatherhood! The other is the story of mysterious badass who has all the mystery and badassery stripped away!
I feel that they had the right idea to create a second timeline for the show. But you still need to keep the feel of the original lire/ universe. I mean even the crazy shorts from Star Wars Vision still had a Star Wars feel and you can even fit more than a few into actual canon lore with a bit of tweaking
There should be ALL the comparisons!!! I watched the first episode of Halo, and I thought to myself, "DAMN!!!! This is the fucking Mandalorian all over again!!!
I would say it is more like making a building and maintaining it. You do not want any random person messing with it and want to be careful what you mess with when making changes because if you mess up the house will collapse.
Thor Skywalker! I think you should do a general chat about lore, universe building, canon, etc.., not just about Star Wars, but in a general sense, like in terms of Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, Firefly, Transformers, DC, Marvel. Because, let's face it Alex Kurtzman shits on everything he does!
The concept of changing things just for the sake of changing/tell a different version of the story baffles me. Halo has such a rich expanded lore, and they just waste it on a non cannon show. You have almost 30 years of the Covenant war, dozens of colonies, and hundreds of potential new characters to explore. They argue "we didn't want to be constrained to previous lore" but that is why you bring in the lore nerds. Hire some fans or bring some guys from 343 on to keep track of the what, who, and when to tell if the writing is viable. I personally would love to see a show following a squad of marines/ODST'S struggling on a new colony the lore has never touched on. Bring in the Spartans for big events or finale's to make their presence more impactful (and save on budget). Great video as always Thor! Love hearing your commentary and thoughts on these things.
Me after Episode 1: This show has some potential...those Spartans landing were badass! Me after Episode 4: All MasterChief has done is stand around for the last 3.5 episodes! DO SOMETHING COOL!
Halo has always done a faceless character right. Halo 4 did it the best. It showed chiefs emotions and you could tell what he was feeling without needing to see his face. My god in the ending when cortana is gone you can tell he is crying under his helmet. Its a disgrace that they are mistreating the halo franchise like this and defaming it. I am so angry. If you want good halo media you should watch halo legends. Its underrated as hell and it even had chief in it and it got his character right.
I recommend Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. It’s an incredible movie that pays true reverence to the series, in addition to having exceptional writing and choreography.
and I know Halo 5 isn't the most loved game in the franchise, but when chief and Cortana see each other again, my gosh it was amazing. That minute and a half cutscene was amazing. We had investment in the characters, and we didn't need to see chiefs' face to be invested.
I didnt really mind that much abour Master Chief removing his helmet. Unlike Mando, MC doesnt have a creed to always keep his helmet on. My main problem with MC is he going AWOL in the first episode.
I have not seen it, only clips and reactions. What could have been: Calm his vulnerabilities, (so emotional), game voice used. Helmet on. Chief only hinted after episode 1, during end credits, as..."Concurrently, somewhere in space over so-and -so". Then the very 1st part of Halo Combat Evolved begins to play out until Captain Keys says to Cortana: "And give our guy a warm welcome." End of first show. Mind blown. But, sadly, ...they did what ever they are doing. Actor rightly wants recognition, so after many cut away hints at Helmet off, in Episode 5, he reveals his face, and his voice, unaltered by the Helmet. After this reveal, Helmet and game voice back on for rest of, or most of, series. Chief should never be the main focused on character, but should be in the show frequently. (All anticipation, intrigue etc already destroyed as if by the flood in episode 1) MIND BLOWN!
I believe the director or one of the main actors said we want to make something apart and away from the games (paraphrasing) but then proceed to use the protagonist from the games... if they want more creative freedom, or don't want to research the pre-established lore why not use other Spartans or even some odsts for their story?
Ngl I didn't even know they were doing a Halo series before I saw this video, kinda goes to show the popularity of that show really, like you'd think a TV adaptation of a popular video game franchise would be way more talked about
This has been something I've been trying to figure out for a while. I could sense it, but not put it into proper words. The difference between telling stories that fit within a background established lore versus using the LORE itself to form IT into a connected story. The second of which always ends up looking very superficial and usually isn't what long time fans ever want. We are drawn back to the good stories that fit in a solid lore. Where the other way to do it is to make the lore/property the thing you're using and forming it into a connected story. That's when you get a lot more talk about destiny and fate that often feels cheap and unearned. And yup, the Star Wars Sequels. Versus The Mandalorian where we're seeing a character do stories in the Star Wars Universe... like OG Star Wars and even the Prequels were. Great observation here. This also applies to DC vs Marvel. Marvel tells great stories within the Marvel Universe. DC keeps making the LORE of the superheroes be the "story" and nobody but me likes that. It's an interesting rabbit hole of how to see how properties are being handled lately.
This is going to happen again soon with the Netflix Avatar show. A good adaptation set in that world could literally print money, yet I fear they are going to once again blow their shot at a respected live action adaptation.
I would be very interested in your thoughts about the "Game of Thrones effect" for a future video. I'm also curious whether you've watched Netflix's _Arcane: League of Legends_ and what you think of how it handles the lore of that franchise.
Its the sense of entitlement that "I can do it better" that is causing the issue. Hollywood has a bad habit lately of not following lore when they should, and rehashing old stories that have already been done when they shouldnt. Its like they dont understand the proper dynamic that would make movies and shows great and i dont understand the reasoning....
I've compared the lore of Halo( at least the origin story) to our own spec in the universe, with ancient astronaut theory, the atlantis theory's, and darwinian theory and i find the piece of that Humans were thrown back into the stoneage by other species very fascinating, i hope that if this is true we as a species have learned whatever it is they wanted us to learn 'cause when our parole hearing comes in the near future.... we might not like what is goin to happen if we didn't...
The Halo series has a lot more wrong with it than just its breaking and rewriting of the established lore. The weak nonsensical story, the poor scripts, the ridiculous characters the at times shoddy, poorly directed acting and the laughably bad CGI are just a few of its more major and noticeable problems. lore is important, but if everything else was great. I think people would be more forgiving and understanding of changes that had to be made to adapt the story to a screenplay. Changing mediums is one of the more acceptable reasons for changing lore. Take a look at Startrek, it rewrote the lore and reimagined characters in a much darker and woke way within the same entertainment medium. Now they are rightly getting punished for this. People have gotten used to and like how they remember established Characters arcs were built up slowly over years. Then in the period of like 3 episodes they wish to totally rewrite them and hope that the fan base goes along with it. I think likeable characters that are developed over time are important components to a good story. The Mandalorian got that right, but the Star Wars Tv adaptations are far from perfect. However, after the mess they made on Star Wars on the big screen and in the current cannon they had little choice but to go back in time in the established canon and switch to the small screen. For the time being. They are pretending that the sequel trilogy didn't happen, but going forward longer term how they are going to get out of the corner that they have painted themselves into is anyone's guess. I have always imagined that modern day script writing for both film and television is a box ticking exercise, wrote by people that have no comprehension of the existing lore and are walking an egg shells pandering to activists and special interest groups. Most new shows are 10 episodes long season. That is a relatively short amount of time to build up characters, and the universe. However, when all the flaws of a story/characters/script/'s CGI et cetera are laid bare and the show is thrashed in the first week, 10 weeks must seem like an eternity. I guarantee you there are re-edits happening for the last couple of episodes of the halo series to try and salvage something. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion, you cant quite look at it , but you can't quite look away. Anyways, I have done enough rambling for one night. Great thought provoking video.
If this was Master Chief versus Dun Djarin video I think Din Djarin would lose now if it was Canderous Ordo I think there's a higher chance he might be able to win against Master Chief
A bomb is an apt metaphor in this case. I very much agree. And we have seen quite a few such bombs go off in recent years. Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, Halo, and a bunch of others....
Yeah I’ve only been watching what goes one with the Spartans, Chief, Halsey, and Cortona. Everything else (the revolution and the little Asain girl) I’ve just been skipping over. So far that’s made my experience more enjoyable because I think the show is running the A plot and the B plot. Sure I’m bummed that I only get half the show length that’s expected, but at least my experience is more enjoyable that way.
What's so annoying is... An adaptation of Halo in a "separate continuity" isn't a bad idea in itself. Every adaptation is technically separate. Look at the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings films for examples. But the thing is... Those adaptations still held true to much of the themes of the source material. They honored the books' characters, the message, and stuck as closely as possible to the existing lore while still making changes where they felt they needed to in a live-action medium. Paramount's Halo hasn't done that. It's taken the superficial, barebones aspects of Halo and then slapped them onto a watered down, generic science-fiction series. The whole show reeks of wasted potential, you can see hints of greatness here and there but it's all lost in so much mediocre crap. Even showing little *glimpses* of John 117's face could have worked. It happened in the ending of Halo 4. But leave it at that. Don't take his helmet off half the goddamned show.
There's no reason to expect him to keep his helmet on all the time. It's a dumb part of the Halo games and just meant so that players can insert whatever appearance they want. Kind of like why Gordon Freeman is silent. It's just Bungie doing Half-Life. The actor does a good job and audiences obviously prefer a face to a bucket. The show is awful garbage but the helmet I'm glad they did away with right off the bat.
@@BigMikeMcBastard I'm fine with John maybe getting *some* down time out of his armor. But being that John sees a lot of action as "the Master Chief", I personally don't see much reason for us to see him so exposed for such a bulk of the show. Like I said, the odd glimpse here and there could be okay. And don't get me wrong, Pablo Schreiber is a good performer. His acting is not the problem. I just feel like the show could have found a better way to go about handling his character.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Except no in the games it makes perfect sense he has his armor as he is in combat 95% of the time and even not in combat he is shown to basically live in the suit. Master Chief has no life outside of being a super-soldier.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Except no in the games it makes perfect sense he has his armor as he is in combat 95% of the time and even not in combat he is shown to basically live in the suit. Master Chief has no life outside of being a super-soldier.
Just saying, if the show took a differnt direction than focus on MC mainly like the games. It could've branched out to many other possibilities within the universe, like an example of a group of ODSTs. Maybe even Marines. But things are already set and really no turning back. While I do want to see something different given to us like Halo Landfall(that live action made 10 years ago), something in that area would've been cool. Then, maybe, have MC be cameos here and there. While focusing on something else entirely. I'm pretty sure I'm already asking too much and my imagination
I see lore as the law of an existing IP. Lore is something that can evolve, but shouldn't be intentionally or suddenly changed or removed. It should be respected and upheld, it is the borders of a path you want a story to take. It could be broad and vast, or narrow and challenging, but no one should tread beyond said borders without a plan or without a genuine reason.
I think the problem with trying to create a story focused around Master Chief is that he is an inherently uninteresting character (at least in the games). He works really well as a video game protagonist for exactly the same reason as Doom Guy, in that he's a complete badass. But in the game most of the character development and story telling is done through other characters, mainly Cortana. But of course the studios making these things only see "cool badass money maker Master Chief" and want a show focused on him. The sad thing is that the Halo franchise has some really good stories, just not in the main games. ODST, Halo Reach and the novels are all much better material to base a TV show off. Hell, Halo Reach has a story and characters I personally enjoy more than most TV shows.
I disagree, take Halo Infinite for example. The best moment of the story was not him cleaving through armies or beating bosses, it was him, in his own detached sociopathic way, comforting Pilot and, eventually, Weapon after stress or trauma finally laid them low. He's not a human in the traditional sense, I'd argue he's more like DnD's lizardmen. Any alien mind that operates on instinct and training over emotions.
A good exempel of a good series whit not much happening is RedVsBlue. You get to know these unique characters and their emotions whitout seeing their faces och much movement but you still know what they feel and what they will do.
the problem with shows like halo is, there are two sides to the making, the creative and the financial, the creative wants to make something original, the financial wants something securely profitable. a existing franchise lowers the financial risk but it often clashes with the creative side. simply put, they say this, this and that has to be in there and thats it. left with those demands, the creatives have to work out a story and here they try to "be creative". to then go and care for a existing lore further restricting them, is a lot to ask without the creatives being deeply invested into said lore, the best example for that would be Arcane actually, with writers who did wrote for the actual games lore. You could actually go on about the Mandalorian alot as well, from a legends fan view, the simple fact of some obvious dar'manda saving some random child is already weird but with Feloni, there is hope for some explanation later on. so Star Wars at the moment lives a lot on the idea that Feloni will fix everything eventually... back to Halo, i don't know the first thing about it, based on a shooter so not my genre, i don't like shooters, i can not say if there is writing staff from the game involved but i highly doubt it.
Even if it was a deathmatch between the two Chief wins. Spartan IIs can run as fast as a jeep [40mph] and flip a M808 Main Battle Tank [66 tons]. He's got more armour coverage and even personal shields.
One thing I and many others are worried about regarding the Halo TV show is that the human member of the Covenant is probably going to replace the Arbiter, one of the most beloved characters in the series.
I’ve never played the game. So everything I’ve seen in Halo is new to me. I don’t have the perspective of the game to compare the show to. But the show has been okay so far. There’s a lot going on and the purpose of this conflict is still a bit unclear to me. But I’m going to see how this 1st season goes and see if it’s grabs me.
As someone who has played the nearly every Halo game and read a good chunk of the novels, I can only describe this show as a Frankenstein’s Monster of different characters and plots from the novels, roughly carved out of its source material, sewed together into this disgusting aberration and made to move and flounder before us.
The way I see it, ur core fan base that been with u for 2 decades should be ur priority, after that then u can expand to the broader audience, but if u do it the other way around then not only will u piss of ur main audience and lose some of them, but if ur plan fails to reach a broader Audience then u lose the broader Audience and lost some of ur main audience, but if u impressed the main audience 1st and then expand out then u will still have ur main fan base incase ur plan to reach a broader audience fails, at least u still have ur main fan base. Hopefully I explained this right
I almost agree. The fans are the paying customers. They are the people who will drag the non-fans in for a watch on positive word of mouth. If the fanbase rejects something, it's dead, cause non-fans will look at the fans and decide that if even they hate it, why bother.
I have only one question will there be more what ifs or are we moving away from those because if so that makes me very sad and if you are doing more when will they be out I'm very excited for your next story
I would hesitate to say the Halo TV Show is using Halo Lore. Every bit of "lore" they use is either altered, incorrect or straight contrary to Halo canon, and the tiny bits that seem correct feel more like a slap as to what should be than someone caring for the lore. The main difference between The Mandalorian & the Halo Show is that the people in charge of Mando cared about the universe and sought to respect most of it. Those behind the Halo series show nothing but contempt for the source material and pretend they can do a better job. ps: if we were to ask the question: obviously, Master Chief would wipe the floor with Din ;)
Ironically if all I cared about was making money, unlike these big companies I WOULD RESPECT THE LORE AND BUILD OFF OF IT. Some may say it’s even easier then being an architect of a brand new concept and universe. It’s like using a mathematical formula during a math test rather then coming up with a brand new formula on the spot.
Is there an in universe reason why Master Chief would keep his helmet on all the time? I haven't played the games or even watched the show yet. Most of my Halo knowledge comes from Red vs Blue and Spacedock. In The Mandalorian the 24 hour armor thing was part of Din's religion and he hated to take his helmet off in front of others. I don't know if Master Chief would have that same level of reactance. I could also see people claiming they are trying to copy The Mandalorian if they did have him always were the helmet. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situation.
Halo is one of my favorite franchises in large part because it is contained in a large well built world where for the most part additions to the universe fit in neatly with and add to the existing content, this new show doesn't do that, this time they went and threw everything else, the entire universe dozens of people have painstakingly built out the window as they thought they could do a better job than everyone that came before them, discarding everything i luked about this world and if this and infinite are representative with what microsoft wants for the franchise moving forward thrn while i will continue to consume the older content i can say i am quite done with everything they release moving forward and the franchise as a whole
when your identity is your helmet, taking it off means taking your identity away and you can never put it back on when they made chief take off his helmet, i felt like he's just another spartan 2 in the same armor as chief
I have been saying this for years. You need at least one solid consultant when you are adapting an ID. Someone who can try to spot loopholes and inconstancies. Someone who understands the property, and why people love it. Who could read the script and go, "K so I see what you are going for here but if we made this change it fixes these problems and it fits with the lore better. Literally one line of dialogue or a name change."
I saw a meme some time ago - A job that Hollywood apparently doesn't realise it needs: Book Slappers. Every single production needs a person whose only job is to read the book, then slap the director with it every time they say "Yeah, but what if..." Can easily adapt that meme to lore & canon person.
I think making a halo tv show is really difficult when we already have a master chief story that has incredible iconic cutscenes. What story would be best told outside of the games?
@@Aredel I completely agree. This is what we should have gotten to bring more eyes to the halo universe where chief and the rest of the gang still exist but add meaningful stories to the halo universe. Playing halo makes me expect gunfights and high stakes at every corner but the budget for a tv show may not be able to maintain that level of production so maybe a storyline like the reporter from the hunt the truth audio series would be amazing too.
Hey this might be a wired idea but could you compare the halo tv show to the 3 new Star Trek movies and explain how they compare to each other with altering the original story.
So... The third episode was that bad? 😬 Anyway, I absolutely agree, Thor. And there's a pretty interesting parallel there between Halo and the sequel trilogy, hum? Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
For the Halo series they should've done his origin, I know origin stories are outta style but it would have given EVERYONE what they wanted, new comers learn and people familiar with the story get to see it live action
that would have been great. imagine the first season takes its time to slowly establish master chief's character and perhaps even have the season finale be the fall of reach.
I really don't understand the motivation of a company that would purchase the rights to an IP only to disregard it. I thought the purpose of getting the rights to make a movie/show was to appeal to a built-in audience. If they only wanted to create a new expanded audience, then why buy an existing IP? It would seem cheaper to making something from scratch and spend the money on marketing.
Cheif would win, yet Jar Jar would easily beat TV (wannabe) green Spartan in the Halo TV Show wreck. The Halo show would be akin to Star Wars suddenly having giant Nexus fighting one another while Palps sits on a golden throne because he has to keep the Warp Lanes open because the huts used hyper space ramming to ruin all of the traffic areas. At some point you can not tell if they are trying to copy something else... Or just failing in general.
The greatest thing about S1 of Mandalorian is how they stayed away from all the big established characters and plot lines and focused on new original ones. S2 changed it but it’s expected to happen with bigger stakes and picture
I mean boba fett shows it perfectly. The new boba was basically a nee character, but the whole show got overshadowed by mando cause he was more popular. If ahsoka and luke and bo katan showed up in S1 people would care about them more than mando. Once mando was established he could stand equal to those characters in the episodes they appeared in.
@@cephery8482 yeah I don’t like that they changed boba so much, I mean after being a brutal bounty hunter his entire life I’m surprised he didn’t kill some characters on the spot for betraying him.
I suppose he wants to start a new beginning of peace, because he’s been growing more attachments. But I just wish he was more brutal towards his enemies at least, like Fennac Shand.
@@dr.chalmers7923 to me it just sounds like disney wanted their super popular character to be clean so they could market them better, but didnt want to take the steps to shown them getting clean, and just jumped there. Like boba was just fighting luke over the sarlacc, then was being held as a slave. Near death experience whatever no way did he at that time befriend the sand people
Maybe to a degree. Realistically I think they're being forced to rewrite scripts to include more fan favorites to use Disney's only positively received Star Wars project as a springboard for their upcoming ones, and what makes "The Mandalorian" the mandalorian is diluted in that pursuit.
@@cephery8482 They did show it. Him befriending the sand people wasn't a jump. He knew he couldn't survive the dunes on his own, so he played along with the tuskens. All the while he was contemplating his life as a bounty hunter. And not just a near death experience, he was dead. Metaphorically. Then he saw with his own eyes how hard it is to live in the galaxy without taking advantage of other people, and actually taken advantage off. All these compounded and he decides that the old Boba was dead, and the new Boba would be one not based on fear, but on respect. And this was all done in through the course of 4 years. It didn't feel like 4 years in the show, but according to the timeline, from the events of ROTJ to TBOBF it is 4 years. Plenty of time for him to gradually change.
I know Disney is doing for the express purpose of what you said, a clean marketable character. But its done well imo.
The Halo series really looks like a project that got stuck in development hell before getting rewritten as a "What if we made The Mandalorian?". It's soulless.
They shouldn't have made a Halo show starring the Chief. I think the character should remain in the video game medium. There are plenty of stories possible in the Halo universe that could be brought to TV, why not an ODST miniseries shot like Band of Brothers? If they want a ship-based show, why not tell the adventures of a UNSC ship, like a mix of Battlestar Galactica and classic Star Trek?
I'd love to see an ODST series done like Band of Brothers.
One episode could be about the animosity between the ODSTs and the Spartans.
I actually disagree with keeping Chief in the games only. I think if done right and following the existing books an awesome show can be made following Chief since his childhood and how he slowly becomes the legend that saves humanity. You can have him helmetless when he's younger but once he is given his MJOLNIR armor we never see his face again or rarely even. That's my two cents on the matter.
If it was rewritten as a "What if we made The Mandalorian?" this Halo show would be totally different thing altogether. If it was character driven as Mando, they would not be butchering the characters by changing them as they are doing... Halo is trying to do a nuanced take on humanity which is really not working out because they're arbitrarily changing the Halo lore to "easily" (but to its detriment) fit this narrative.
Chief can work outside of games, the issue is that this chief is not really a good portrayal of what people expect of chief or the spartans.
@@StarWarsJibaro I agree to some extent, but I think it would be a lot better to keep his role as minimal as possible. Like maybe have him appear only in the finale. It would build hype and intrigue. It gives them less chance to screw up the character. If people had to wait until the end of the season to see him, or know if they will see him, it would be a lot more effective when they finally do. Plus a lot more people would be able to look past any grievances or 'mistakes' with the character. Of course though, the rest of the show and characters would have to be done well for this to work.
People were hating on this show as soon as the trailers dropped. They were banking on people just wanting to see a live action Master Chief. He should of been a bonus for people who watch the show, not the main selling point
"We didn’t look at the game. We didn’t talk about the game. We talked about the characters and the world. So I never felt limited by it being a game.”
This. This philosophy is exactly how you *don’t* adapt a property. Even if creative freedom is almost always a positive, you have to be very careful when creating an adaptation of an existing IP. And with everything in the Halo series so far, it shows they haven’t been careful, and it’s no wonder why it’s so hated… There’s a reason why this series has failed, but the Sonic movie, for example, has been very well received.
I actually didn't like the "How to Train your Dragon" film when it came out because it didn't stay very true to the books but it's still an amazing film. At the time it was released I was still reading the books and came to later find out it followed more than I had believed originally just that some of the material was from later books in the series. Still, if you are to find a picture of the Dragon 'Toothless' he looks completely different to his original design.
Like you said there is no set way to adapt an established story but there are definitely some key ways to NOT do it. Thankfully that film turned out ok, same with the Witcher on Netflix and even I'd say the latest Tomb Raider which references the game story. None of those are terrible but so far the reviews for this is that it's awful.
@@judechauhan6715 I found the books after the movie, and I love both. They both keep the core message and the core themes, only changing the details of the overall story. After the first movie though, the cinematic world became its own thing. And again, I love the books' world and the cinematic world. Because the core message of the books, that xenophobia and war will not create a peaceful world is the same in the cinematic version. The hatred of the dragons and a call for war is what leads to the downfall of people and the drive for peace and the love for the dragons is what leads to a lasting peace for the future.
@@judechauhan6715 there is a big difference between a franchises of books almost know one has heard of vs arguably one of the most important video game characters and franchises ever. Some parts of some franchises just should be changed. Better to make something new then change a core aspect of a universe.
Most Video Game turned shows seem to be doing that same thing. So far Sonic seems to be the only good video game turned movie/series we’ve gotten. I would bring up Witcher but that’s primarily based off of the books anyways. So that’s technically two series that care about the source material lol.
@@DANTVSVERGIL The Witcher show is based on the books in the same way the MCU is based on the Comics. They've taken a lot of liberties, but unlike the MCU where the liberties were done to make a compelling movie series the changes to the Witcher show are to show off the abilities of the writing team. When pretty much every good moment from S2 only exists cause Henry Cavill told them what to do you know how bad the adaptation is.
Never thought I'd see you talk about Halo. I'm a huge Halo fan, but the halo TV series seems...off, to put it mildly. Chief acts like Mando in the show, which isn't at all how he actually is in the games/main universe. He takes his helmet off waaaay too much
On his second channel Thor Skywalker Plus he reviews the new Halo episodes every week
Actually, Chief’s personality has always been very similar to Din’s. Man of action, speaks only when needed, et cetera.
That isn't why you feel it is off. It is off, because they have black washed Halo.
Chief doesn't even feel like Din, he feels like some dude named John who doesn't know anything that's going on and just follow the bread crumbs of plot that given to him. The main reason it feels off is because Halo has become a drama, the war? the aliens? who cares, let's focus on the drama of the human characters
@@MandalorSkyrd This right here nails one the core issues with the show.
Master Chief should’ve kept his helmet and armor on the entire series and have Steve Downes voice him. 100%
Definitely, but even then it exists in an alternate universe where Blue Team doesn’t exist and the games never happen.
I get the sentiment, but I don't think any soldier does that outside of combat. It made sense for a video game, but there was no in universe reason he kept the helmet on. He was just always in combat because the player was controlling him. Once he got out of combat, he did take his helmet off. No showing his face, I'd agree with. During downtime, we gotta take that sweaty thing off.
Then they would need a different main character.
Yes. I agree wholeheartedly
@@LordHollow Not entirely, Spartans hated being out of their armor and Chief was regularly wearing his helmet even in the presence of high ranking officers.
The Mandalorian is well-loved because it respects the lore, and the Halo show is hated because it doesn't respect the lore.
Well said
@@JayPlusForerunner How?
@@ImTheReverse because it's true. The halo TV show isn't accurate to the games at all
@@ImTheReverse Chief is the UNSCs best weapon. He's also super loyal to them. In the show, he goes A-wall very first episode, just because of some kid who is supposed to be a terrorist
@@ImTheReverse Also, chief in the show is called by the covenant, "a blessed one", because he can activate forerunner technology. Well, in the games and lore, every single human has that power. The humans are called "reclaimers" by the forerunners. Any human can activate forerunner tech, including the Halo rings themselves, because the humans hold something called "The mantle of responsibility", given to them by the pre-cursors. So it's kinda dumb that in the show it's exclusive to chief and someone else, basically giving them superpowers, which is dumb
Well as is the age old critique: they are buying the IP to tell their story not the IP to continue the story. They use the IP to pad their numbers because the studios know that no one would watch a New IP with such a story.
Also, a New IP would require an increasingly scarce gift in Hollywood, called IMAGINATION!! Nobody in Hollywood has any imagination anymore, and it sickens me to watch rich people with no vision steal long-lived IPs, and completely ruin them with blatant political commentary aimed at the real world viewers. If they had any imagination at all, they would come up with original material. But they are unable to do so, because these newbies grew up without the ability (or the courage) to create for themselves.
@@jacob4920 I suppose the problem is that it's hard to make anything truly original, kinda feels like "everything" has been done already. So whenever you do try make something new, it sort of ends up resembles another IP anyway
@@TheArrowedKnee "There is nothing new under the sun" -William Shakespeare. Originality is overrated, it's all in the execution. For instance, Star Wars has probably the most cookie cutter plot you could think of. It didn't matter though, because it was well executed and viewers were lost in the world before them.
@@TheArrowedKnee The "everything has been done before" problem has been a thing for literal centuries. It never bothered Hollywood in the past. If you look deeply enough, every book of fiction ever written copies at least a few things from earlier books. Not plot points. But themes, subversions, plot points, and even character models. Even the Lord of the Rings was mostly a fantasy-canvas for real life events that JRR Tolkien himself lived through. A strong argument could be made that nothing truly original has been written since medieval times. That's a LONG time to have no true originality.
But if you have imagination, this is not a problem. You can write around it. You can disguise the similarities, so that they are not readily obvious to the reader/viewer. Only upon doing some deep digging will those similarities become obvious.
What we are seeing nowadays is a blatant slap across the face of literally everything that has come before. There is no imagination, therefore there is nothing truly original anymore. That's sad. But it's not an insurmountable problem, with a little effort. As a dude who writes fiction himself, I know that there are plenty of people out there, like myself, who are more than willing, and able, to fix this problem Hollywood currently finds itself in. But Hollywood is a "closed society," so they don't even contemplate asking us plebians for help.
@@philipfahy9658 Actually, "There is nothing new under the sun" wasn't a quote by Shakespeare. Well, I guess it was, but he was quoting King Solomon, an Israelite king from roughly the same time period as Classical Greece.
Also, Lincoln's famous "house divided speech" wasn't his idea, he's openly quoting Jesus Christ, and actually expected his audience to understand the reference.
Western writers seem, at times, utterly unable to understand why masked main characters work so well in their respective contexts. It's sad, because the concept has a lot of potential both visually as well as storytelling-wise.
Another point is the usage of "checkmark lists". Instead of establishing characters and their motivations, and letting them organically drive the plot forward, there's always an artificial "A, then B, then C" -structure present in these works. Or "re-imaginings", mind you.
Why on earth would your audience care for your characters, when YOU clearly don't care.
Hey, I am an aspiring western writer. Only a third of this applies to me thank you very much.
Doesn't help when you bring in actors in a TV adaptation. If the show does well that actor is going to want to be known for that role and the easiest way to do that is let the audience see your face. If you don't then you can be more easily replaced next season if someone else is voicing your lines.
@@Icspiders247 Which is why you just use stuntmen at a higher than normal salery.
@@shadowofhawk55 Stunt crew are people too. You get a popular show and you'll probably run into this. They're going to want slices of that pie
@@Icspiders247 Eh, after the first season at minimum. Also, the stunt crew work for a living so their egos may be a little less hot.
I think it boils down to this, respect the lore but above all else honor the spirit of the universe which is something the mandalorian did so well.
It seemed obvious they greenlight a Halo series because of The Mandalorian's success, so another studio wanted to make a space saga starring a warrior who keeps his helmet on. Instead, they used a script in circulation from a decade ago, ignoring key aspects of Master Chief's character
It should be pointed out that the show was first announced in 2015. It was stuck in development hell for all that time.
the Halo show feels like fanfiction writen by someone who thinks their content is leagues better than the source
I’ve recently come across your channel and after watching a handful of your videos, I’ve got to say you’re probably my favorite Star Wars channel now.
Welcome bro
Thank you for saying that, and glad to have you here.
Paramount paid as much attention to Halo as Amazon did to Lord of the Rings. For a series so clearly inspired by The Mandalorian it's clear they didn't get why it worked. Well, I'll tell you why, because it doesn't follow a main character from the main series; it follows an OC called Din Djarin. Invent some random Spartan III OC for the main character and save the Chief for a season finale cameo the way Mando did with Luke Skywalker.
There are so many ways to do Halo right I'm shocked Paramount screwed it up. It's not like so many other cases where no one knows what it will look like when moved to this format. Halo has been done in live action. Halo has been done animated. Halo has had several well received side stories that have nothing to do with Master Chief or Cortana. We already know it can work. What the hell happened? Why can't the mainstream do an adaptation to save its life?
Makes me wonder what kind of horrors we can expect when Amazon rolls out their show based on Fallout.
Wait, Amazon is making a show based on Fallout?
God, this shit needs to stop before they ruin every single franchise imaginable with these horrible shows.
My favorite Halo live Action is the movie forward unto dawn. It shows chief as he is in the games and shows the backstory of Lasky
Could have easily been noble six, or rando spartan
@@lokeyodinson8749 I honestly had the same thought, first season should have been noble team and possibly even the fall of reach ( feelings on that idea). its one of the reasons I didn't care for reach as a game. it focused so hard on the characters it felt like you were missing the plot.
Only if the S-III is a Gamma and we get to see them go off their smoothers and go utterly fucking berserk.
That's what Hollywood has been about for the past decade+ taking over old beloved nerd franchises, and taking all the clout and doing very little to appreciate/respect what made them special before trying to add or take into different directions... usually to sell a message, than telling good stories appropriate for that franchise
As a huge halo fan. It speaks volumes that I haven’t watched the show it didn’t look or sound good before it came out. Then when I watched other fan reviews it was just as I suspected.
Good choice. Because you can't unsee some things.
I've only watched the first episode. The show is definitely visually pleasing, it showed some real brutality that i was not expecting at all, which was cool for a gritty universe like Halo.
But other than that, a lot of the casting choices, story choices and what they decided to focus on was extremely jarring to me as an avid fan of the games.
I am a fan myself but I was alienated by Halo 5 bringing back Cortana I just dropped the franchise.
Me neither and I loved halo for over 20 years, but I won’t give paramount any views or subscribers, I just wish more fans didn’t watch it. Just because it says “Halo” doesn’t mean it’ll be good or worth your time, I’ve only watched reviews and it’s quite clear this show is dogshit.
Ahh yes. My two favorite franchises, discussed by Thor…
The thing that annoys me isn’t that he removed his helmet, he has removed his helmet in the books and lore etc etc, but we’d never seen his face on-screen (other than a close-up in halo 4 legendary ending). The halo faithful have waited over 20 years to see his face on the big-screen and this is how they do it. It was cheap, rushed and just feels insulting.
What Paramount/CBS did with Halo is remarkably similar to what it's doing with Star Trek.
@Shermos
Trekkies often hate new series sight unseen. Just ask the cast and crew of The Next Generation.
So, of course, Discovery and Picard would face fan backlash.
@@TheVeritas1 The first 2 seasons of TNG are garbage. It really did deserve the initial hate it received. But, with Rodenberry out of the way, it found it's footing and got better. Discovery and Picard never will.
@@jsross33
Discovery hit its stride in Season 3 by jumping to an unexplored era (32nd Century). Like DS9, Disco ignored its haters and leaned into the darker tone, adventurous tone, and emotions that make it unique.
As for Picard, it's enjoying one of the best Second Seasons of any Trek show. The reason is seeing Picard really face his mortality instead of denying it. This drama is balanced by a time travel adventure that is thrilling, funny, and timely social commentary. It also further develops Picard's new crew in fascinating and unexpected ways. The mind game between Dr. Jurati and the Borg Queen alone is worth watching this season.
@@jsross33 And Disco is following its footsteps with two terrible seasons followed by a Trek Renaissance greenlighting a bunch of new (better) shows.
@@TheVeritas1 TNG had a rocky start, but it had all the fundamentals of a good Trek show. The new crop of shows eschew Roddenberry's vision and were badly conceived from the start.
Are you sure people weren't distracted by Luke's re-emergence than Grogu and Din's parting?
That's most fan discussion focused on... and people knew they were never keep those two apart for long, and they were right (cough BOBF)
No, S1 didn't have Luke at all. But I cared about them, which why I watched S2 and was blown away by its finale. Luke showing up was everything we wanted but we followed Din and Grogu, which we grew to love as new characters. Like Ahsoka!
I LOVE OASIS slide away best song off that album
The Mandalorian actually had writers that know about the Star Wars lore, I can't say the same for the Halo writers
Even after 2 seasons (and a few "hijacked" episodes), people still refer to "the child" as *Baby Yoda* (repeatedly)
THIS IS THE WAY
Honestly I think the way to go for bringing these IP's to the television screen, is to explore the universe in a less well known angle-and only hint at or tease the most integral character/elements. I think this would work, as it removes a lot of the burden of expectations on these adaptations, and proves that the studio can produce good faithful content-which will enable them to pull in a far greater approval when they adapt the real meat of stories like HALO. Additionally, it doesn't ruin attempts to adapt a franchise in quite the same way. A good example of this, is the netflix series Arcane-where one of the less interesting and liked aspects of League of Legends lore was bought to life. It may not be intentional, but all the fans I've talked to are incredibly enthusiastic about future series which could revolve around the 'main story,' or most liked characters. Mandalorian also kind of did this, showing us a spinoff series with very little reference to the rest of the star wars universe, then bringing in more 'star wars' elements when they proved they could be trusted with a little. I'm personally somewhat ambivalent to the idea of an adaptation of Master Chief himself (I still think the games are the best medium for him), but I would be far more willing to accept and enjoy the series if a less story-intensive series had been produced, confirming the expertise and knowledge of the studio in regards to their source material and creative ingenuity. Sadly, it appears many of the writers didn't even look into the lore by their own admission :/
One thing I'd like to point out too is I absolutely love that the Mandalorian and Boba Fett directors know so much about Star Wars lore that they know how to implement it into the show, for example The Book of Boba Fett introduced Scorpenek Annihilator Droids, something that was from the expanded universe and was brought to canon
Another thing is the planet Tython in the Mandalorian, I didn't expect such a sacred planet of the Jedi from legends to make an appearance. I did wish that it would've shown Mando traveling to Tython though considering how extremely dangerous it is to travel to the deep core of the galaxy.
The Halo show has made every human evil and unlikable. It makes you root for the Covenant. The goal of the Covenant is the extinction of the human race. Thanks to Hollywood extinction is the best case scenario.
Well to be fair if the Covenant did succed in the great journey we would have no more Flood and Halo 5 would have never happened. I would take that as a win.
@@emberfist8347 hahahahah FACTS
@@emberfist8347 actually the flood would still be around on various installations, the rings just removed the flood's food sources, IE sentients from the galaxy. not to mention if i remember correctly during the forerunners time the flood came from outside the galaxy chasing the humans. so it probably exists somewhere else too
@@-cheezu- The Flood never came from outside the galaxy.
@@emberfist8347 that’s right idk why I thought that they came from outside, they came from the precursors, but aside from that the flood are not destroyed by the rings they are essentially immune to it, it just kills their food
As someone who spent 20 years getting emotionally connected to the characters within Halo I have 0% interest in watching what the show’s creators have acknowledge to essentially be a revisionist history of Halo
Jon Favreau & Dave Filoni love Star Wars franchise, and you can feel in the show
I don't know who is in charge of the Halo series, I haven't even started to watch it, so...
I quite enjoy both honestly, especially as this Halo series had been stated to be in an alt timeline so is separate from the main canon, so the deviations don't trigger me all that much, it could easily have been worse, *MUCH* worse *shudders at that Netflix Cowboy Bepbop and the SW sequel trilogy.* But so far, Mandalorian's the better show for sure.
Alt timeline is just an excuse for showrunners to do whatever they want like no stick to lore or don’t do it
And to handwaive criticism of the show.
It’s funny how before the show released, most halo fans (gathered from the trailers comment section) agreed the show looked amazing save for Cortana and now Cortana is the only character that acts like themselves.
Even though Mando was a new story it followed lore, Halo, despite the fact that it has video games, novels and etc. the creators choose to ignore it all, like KK saying they didn't have any sorce material, clearly it is not the way! DB Evolution went a similar route and look what happened.
i remember hearing about how the show writers bragged about "oh we didn't look or discuss the games at all when making it" like that's a great way to shoot yourself in the foot on selling a series based on said game
Lore doesn't need to be handled a certain way anymore.. it can all be brushed aside for THE MESSAGE and if you don;t like it, get called the worst people on Earth and invalidate any of your opinions.
The theory is that any franchise can be made to appeal to more people by including more diverse characters, and sidelining the less diverse ones.
Once the backlash begins, you need to purge the toxic fans who are offended.
Now, free from impurities, the franchise will appeal to everyone on earth.
The original lore is seen as that unfortunate first misstep into an ideologically pure future.
“This is the way.” said every woke company ever
Couldn't read that line without hearing the Drinker.
Blaming wokeness instead of soulless greed and capitalism? Check.
@@dac314 woke culture is some bs (and to some extent, a commie bs) that is kept alive by soulless greed and capitalism. except instead of looking for the biggest fish to catch, they just goes for most foamy water
The Halo series is giving what fans wanted to see since forever: Chief's toned ass. What are years of complex lore compared to that?
The writers knew what we needed, even if we didn't. lol
Halo: Doing lore wrong. Mando: Doing lore right. Mando introduced a new character into an established universe and made that character fit in like a missing puzzle piece Halo? Halo took Master Chief, a MAIN CHARACTER WHO PEOPLE HAVE EXPECTATIONS OF, and entirely turned him into a joke in the first episode by not having Master Chief live in his armor, keep his helmet on, and not having Steve Downes do the voice work.
Ok, here's the thing companies need to do when doing anything when it comes to stuff like this, get someone like UA-camrs to help. Not any UA-camrs, but the big ones, the ones that know the ins and outs of a franchise. There's people out there who are practically an encyclopedia, a huge wealth of knowledge, who'd instantly figure out if something was going to work or completely contradict lore. And just before you say it's dumb and Disney will never hire a UA-camr, there was this guy who made redid the model of Luke Skywalker from the Mando when he first showed up and legitimately did a better job than Disney, Disney, a company with practically endless amount of money, he was able to blow their stuff out of the water. It even looked like Mark do a degree. Disney actually ended up hiring him. So there is definitely the possibility Disney will hire more UA-camrs. I suggest this because companies these days don't see to understand the franchises they own anymore.
6:05 “Careful Ned, Careful Now!”
One is the story of a mysterious badass who discovers the joys of fatherhood!
The other is the story of mysterious badass who has all the mystery and badassery stripped away!
Obviously mandorian is the right way to do lore right.
I feel that they had the right idea to create a second timeline for the show. But you still need to keep the feel of the original lire/ universe. I mean even the crazy shorts from Star Wars Vision still had a Star Wars feel and you can even fit more than a few into actual canon lore with a bit of tweaking
There should be ALL the comparisons!!! I watched the first episode of Halo, and I thought to myself, "DAMN!!!! This is the fucking Mandalorian all over again!!!
I would say it is more like making a building and maintaining it. You do not want any random person messing with it and want to be careful what you mess with when making changes because if you mess up the house will collapse.
Thor Skywalker! I think you should do a general chat about lore, universe building, canon, etc.., not just about Star Wars, but in a general sense, like in terms of Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, Firefly, Transformers, DC, Marvel. Because, let's face it Alex Kurtzman shits on everything he does!
The concept of changing things just for the sake of changing/tell a different version of the story baffles me. Halo has such a rich expanded lore, and they just waste it on a non cannon show. You have almost 30 years of the Covenant war, dozens of colonies, and hundreds of potential new characters to explore. They argue "we didn't want to be constrained to previous lore" but that is why you bring in the lore nerds. Hire some fans or bring some guys from 343 on to keep track of the what, who, and when to tell if the writing is viable. I personally would love to see a show following a squad of marines/ODST'S struggling on a new colony the lore has never touched on. Bring in the Spartans for big events or finale's to make their presence more impactful (and save on budget). Great video as always Thor! Love hearing your commentary and thoughts on these things.
Me after Episode 1: This show has some potential...those Spartans landing were badass!
Me after Episode 4: All MasterChief has done is stand around for the last 3.5 episodes! DO SOMETHING COOL!
Or something... at all...
Halo has always done a faceless character right. Halo 4 did it the best. It showed chiefs emotions and you could tell what he was feeling without needing to see his face. My god in the ending when cortana is gone you can tell he is crying under his helmet. Its a disgrace that they are mistreating the halo franchise like this and defaming it. I am so angry. If you want good halo media you should watch halo legends. Its underrated as hell and it even had chief in it and it got his character right.
Halo Legends was AMAZING, and it offered so many possible ideas for full-on spin off shows and projects. It's a shame that this got made instead
I recommend Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. It’s an incredible movie that pays true reverence to the series, in addition to having exceptional writing and choreography.
and I know Halo 5 isn't the most loved game in the franchise, but when chief and Cortana see each other again, my gosh it was amazing. That minute and a half cutscene was amazing. We had investment in the characters, and we didn't need to see chiefs' face to be invested.
I didnt really mind that much abour Master Chief removing his helmet. Unlike Mando, MC doesnt have a creed to always keep his helmet on. My main problem with MC is he going AWOL in the first episode.
The "halo" series is not Halo in the slightest
I have not seen it, only clips and reactions. What could have been: Calm his vulnerabilities, (so emotional), game voice used. Helmet on. Chief only hinted after episode 1, during end credits, as..."Concurrently, somewhere in space over so-and -so". Then the very 1st part of Halo Combat Evolved begins to play out until Captain Keys says to Cortana: "And give our guy a warm welcome." End of first show. Mind blown. But, sadly, ...they did what ever they are doing. Actor rightly wants recognition, so after many cut away hints at Helmet off, in Episode 5, he reveals his face, and his voice, unaltered by the Helmet. After this reveal, Helmet and game voice back on for rest of, or most of, series. Chief should never be the main focused on character, but should be in the show frequently. (All anticipation, intrigue etc already destroyed as if by the flood in episode 1) MIND BLOWN!
I believe the director or one of the main actors said we want to make something apart and away from the games (paraphrasing) but then proceed to use the protagonist from the games... if they want more creative freedom, or don't want to research the pre-established lore why not use other Spartans or even some odsts for their story?
Ngl I didn't even know they were doing a Halo series before I saw this video, kinda goes to show the popularity of that show really, like you'd think a TV adaptation of a popular video game franchise would be way more talked about
I hadn't thought of it before, but I would like to see Death Battle do Din Djarin vs Master Chief now that you bring it up.
This has been something I've been trying to figure out for a while. I could sense it, but not put it into proper words. The difference between telling stories that fit within a background established lore versus using the LORE itself to form IT into a connected story. The second of which always ends up looking very superficial and usually isn't what long time fans ever want.
We are drawn back to the good stories that fit in a solid lore.
Where the other way to do it is to make the lore/property the thing you're using and forming it into a connected story. That's when you get a lot more talk about destiny and fate that often feels cheap and unearned. And yup, the Star Wars Sequels.
Versus The Mandalorian where we're seeing a character do stories in the Star Wars Universe... like OG Star Wars and even the Prequels were. Great observation here.
This also applies to DC vs Marvel. Marvel tells great stories within the Marvel Universe. DC keeps making the LORE of the superheroes be the "story" and nobody but me likes that.
It's an interesting rabbit hole of how to see how properties are being handled lately.
This is going to happen again soon with the Netflix Avatar show. A good adaptation set in that world could literally print money, yet I fear they are going to once again blow their shot at a respected live action adaptation.
That has already happened more than 10 years ago. With that live action movie.
@@furynotes I know, my point is we were hoping for redemption and it looks like we’re going to get something even worse
I would be very interested in your thoughts about the "Game of Thrones effect" for a future video. I'm also curious whether you've watched Netflix's _Arcane: League of Legends_ and what you think of how it handles the lore of that franchise.
Its the sense of entitlement that "I can do it better" that is causing the issue.
Hollywood has a bad habit lately of not following lore when they should, and rehashing old stories that have already been done when they shouldnt. Its like they dont understand the proper dynamic that would make movies and shows great and i dont understand the reasoning....
I've compared the lore of Halo( at least the origin story) to our own spec in the universe, with ancient astronaut theory, the atlantis theory's, and darwinian theory and i find the piece of that Humans were thrown back into the stoneage by other species very fascinating, i hope that if this is true we as a species have learned whatever it is they wanted us to learn 'cause when our parole hearing comes in the near future.... we might not like what is goin to happen if we didn't...
The Halo series has a lot more wrong with it than just its breaking and rewriting of the established lore. The weak nonsensical story, the poor scripts, the ridiculous characters the at times shoddy, poorly directed acting and the laughably bad CGI are just a few of its more major and noticeable problems.
lore is important, but if everything else was great. I think people would be more forgiving and understanding of changes that had to be made to adapt the story to a screenplay. Changing mediums is one of the more acceptable reasons for changing lore.
Take a look at Startrek, it rewrote the lore and reimagined characters in a much darker and woke way within the same entertainment medium. Now they are rightly getting punished for this. People have gotten used to and like how they remember established Characters arcs were built up slowly over years. Then in the period of like 3 episodes they wish to totally rewrite them and hope that the fan base goes along with it.
I think likeable characters that are developed over time are important components to a good story. The Mandalorian got that right, but the Star Wars Tv adaptations are far from perfect. However, after the mess they made on Star Wars on the big screen and in the current cannon they had little choice but to go back in time in the established canon and switch to the small screen. For the time being. They are pretending that the sequel trilogy didn't happen, but going forward longer term how they are going to get out of the corner that they have painted themselves into is anyone's guess.
I have always imagined that modern day script writing for both film and television is a box ticking exercise, wrote by people that have no comprehension of the existing lore and are walking an egg shells pandering to activists and special interest groups.
Most new shows are 10 episodes long season. That is a relatively short amount of time to build up characters, and the universe. However, when all the flaws of a story/characters/script/'s CGI et cetera are laid bare and the show is thrashed in the first week, 10 weeks must seem like an eternity. I guarantee you there are re-edits happening for the last couple of episodes of the halo series to try and salvage something. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion, you cant quite look at it , but you can't quite look away.
Anyways, I have done enough rambling for one night. Great thought provoking video.
If this was Master Chief versus Dun Djarin video I think Din Djarin would lose now if it was Canderous Ordo I think there's a higher chance he might be able to win against Master Chief
Should compare halo and boba fett since both have prestablished main characters
A bomb is an apt metaphor in this case. I very much agree. And we have seen quite a few such bombs go off in recent years. Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, Halo, and a bunch of others....
Break out into HALO LORE!! I’d watch!
Yeah I’ve only been watching what goes one with the Spartans, Chief, Halsey, and Cortona. Everything else (the revolution and the little Asain girl) I’ve just been skipping over. So far that’s made my experience more enjoyable because I think the show is running the A plot and the B plot. Sure I’m bummed that I only get half the show length that’s expected, but at least my experience is more enjoyable that way.
Yep. You’re only getting 5 fingernails peeled off instead of 10.
What's so annoying is...
An adaptation of Halo in a "separate continuity" isn't a bad idea in itself. Every adaptation is technically separate. Look at the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings films for examples.
But the thing is... Those adaptations still held true to much of the themes of the source material. They honored the books' characters, the message, and stuck as closely as possible to the existing lore while still making changes where they felt they needed to in a live-action medium.
Paramount's Halo hasn't done that. It's taken the superficial, barebones aspects of Halo and then slapped them onto a watered down, generic science-fiction series. The whole show reeks of wasted potential, you can see hints of greatness here and there but it's all lost in so much mediocre crap.
Even showing little *glimpses* of John 117's face could have worked. It happened in the ending of Halo 4.
But leave it at that. Don't take his helmet off half the goddamned show.
There's no reason to expect him to keep his helmet on all the time. It's a dumb part of the Halo games and just meant so that players can insert whatever appearance they want. Kind of like why Gordon Freeman is silent. It's just Bungie doing Half-Life. The actor does a good job and audiences obviously prefer a face to a bucket. The show is awful garbage but the helmet I'm glad they did away with right off the bat.
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I'm fine with John maybe getting *some* down time out of his armor. But being that John sees a lot of action as "the Master Chief", I personally don't see much reason for us to see him so exposed for such a bulk of the show.
Like I said, the odd glimpse here and there could be okay.
And don't get me wrong, Pablo Schreiber is a good performer. His acting is not the problem. I just feel like the show could have found a better way to go about handling his character.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Except no in the games it makes perfect sense he has his armor as he is in combat 95% of the time and even not in combat he is shown to basically live in the suit. Master Chief has no life outside of being a super-soldier.
@@BigMikeMcBastard Except no in the games it makes perfect sense he has his armor as he is in combat 95% of the time and even not in combat he is shown to basically live in the suit. Master Chief has no life outside of being a super-soldier.
Just saying, if the show took a differnt direction than focus on MC mainly like the games. It could've branched out to many other possibilities within the universe, like an example of a group of ODSTs. Maybe even Marines.
But things are already set and really no turning back. While I do want to see something different given to us like Halo Landfall(that live action made 10 years ago), something in that area would've been cool. Then, maybe, have MC be cameos here and there. While focusing on something else entirely. I'm pretty sure I'm already asking too much and my imagination
I see lore as the law of an existing IP. Lore is something that can evolve, but shouldn't be intentionally or suddenly changed or removed. It should be respected and upheld, it is the borders of a path you want a story to take. It could be broad and vast, or narrow and challenging, but no one should tread beyond said borders without a plan or without a genuine reason.
Great video! How about Mando vs. Geralt (the Witcher) next?
As soon as Master Chief took his helmet off, my soul got cancer.
I was hoping this would be a vs video on "How many Mandalorians does it take to kill a Master Chief?"
I think the problem with trying to create a story focused around Master Chief is that he is an inherently uninteresting character (at least in the games). He works really well as a video game protagonist for exactly the same reason as Doom Guy, in that he's a complete badass. But in the game most of the character development and story telling is done through other characters, mainly Cortana. But of course the studios making these things only see "cool badass money maker Master Chief" and want a show focused on him.
The sad thing is that the Halo franchise has some really good stories, just not in the main games. ODST, Halo Reach and the novels are all much better material to base a TV show off. Hell, Halo Reach has a story and characters I personally enjoy more than most TV shows.
I disagree, take Halo Infinite for example. The best moment of the story was not him cleaving through armies or beating bosses, it was him, in his own detached sociopathic way, comforting Pilot and, eventually, Weapon after stress or trauma finally laid them low. He's not a human in the traditional sense, I'd argue he's more like DnD's lizardmen. Any alien mind that operates on instinct and training over emotions.
A good exempel of a good series whit not much happening is RedVsBlue.
You get to know these unique characters and their emotions whitout seeing their faces och much movement but you still know what they feel and what they will do.
This reminds of the Star Trek universe because you have the original timeline and movies and the separate timeline with the JJ Abrahams films
I haven't gotten to the Halo TV show yet. But honestly I'd of been okay with Agent Locke getting some screen time in his own show
the problem with shows like halo is, there are two sides to the making, the creative and the financial, the creative wants to make something original, the financial wants something securely profitable. a existing franchise lowers the financial risk but it often clashes with the creative side. simply put, they say this, this and that has to be in there and thats it. left with those demands, the creatives have to work out a story and here they try to "be creative". to then go and care for a existing lore further restricting them, is a lot to ask without the creatives being deeply invested into said lore, the best example for that would be Arcane actually, with writers who did wrote for the actual games lore. You could actually go on about the Mandalorian alot as well, from a legends fan view, the simple fact of some obvious dar'manda saving some random child is already weird but with Feloni, there is hope for some explanation later on. so Star Wars at the moment lives a lot on the idea that Feloni will fix everything eventually... back to Halo, i don't know the first thing about it, based on a shooter so not my genre, i don't like shooters, i can not say if there is writing staff from the game involved but i highly doubt it.
Even if it was a deathmatch between the two Chief wins.
Spartan IIs can run as fast as a jeep [40mph] and flip a M808 Main Battle Tank [66 tons].
He's got more armour coverage and even personal shields.
One thing I and many others are worried about regarding the Halo TV show is that the human member of the Covenant is probably going to replace the Arbiter, one of the most beloved characters in the series.
I’ve never played the game. So everything I’ve seen in Halo is new to me. I don’t have the perspective of the game to compare the show to. But the show has been okay so far. There’s a lot going on and the purpose of this conflict is still a bit unclear to me. But I’m going to see how this 1st season goes and see if it’s grabs me.
As someone who has played the nearly every Halo game and read a good chunk of the novels, I can only describe this show as a Frankenstein’s Monster of different characters and plots from the novels, roughly carved out of its source material, sewed together into this disgusting aberration and made to move and flounder before us.
The way I see it, ur core fan base that been with u for 2 decades should be ur priority, after that then u can expand to the broader audience, but if u do it the other way around then not only will u piss of ur main audience and lose some of them, but if ur plan fails to reach a broader Audience then u lose the broader Audience and lost some of ur main audience, but if u impressed the main audience 1st and then expand out then u will still have ur main fan base incase ur plan to reach a broader audience fails, at least u still have ur main fan base. Hopefully I explained this right
I almost agree. The fans are the paying customers. They are the people who will drag the non-fans in for a watch on positive word of mouth. If the fanbase rejects something, it's dead, cause non-fans will look at the fans and decide that if even they hate it, why bother.
This is probably one of the only few channels related to "geek" culture that goes straight to the point and is insightful
I have only one question will there be more what ifs or are we moving away from those because if so that makes me very sad and if you are doing more when will they be out I'm very excited for your next story
Sounds like Mando, but can't keep his helmet on to save his life.
I would hesitate to say the Halo TV Show is using Halo Lore. Every bit of "lore" they use is either altered, incorrect or straight contrary to Halo canon, and the tiny bits that seem correct feel more like a slap as to what should be than someone caring for the lore.
The main difference between The Mandalorian & the Halo Show is that the people in charge of Mando cared about the universe and sought to respect most of it. Those behind the Halo series show nothing but contempt for the source material and pretend they can do a better job.
ps: if we were to ask the question: obviously, Master Chief would wipe the floor with Din ;)
Ironically if all I cared about was making money, unlike these big companies I WOULD RESPECT THE LORE AND BUILD OFF OF IT. Some may say it’s even easier then being an architect of a brand new concept and universe. It’s like using a mathematical formula during a math test rather then coming up with a brand new formula on the spot.
Wouldn't Clone Wars be a better comparison? Since they have a similar scale?
As Mando said: "You do not cover your face. You are not Master Chief."
Can I ask something different, Thor? Have we had a vote video on the Grand Inquisitor yet? Just curious.
Is there an in universe reason why Master Chief would keep his helmet on all the time? I haven't played the games or even watched the show yet. Most of my Halo knowledge comes from Red vs Blue and Spacedock. In The Mandalorian the 24 hour armor thing was part of Din's religion and he hated to take his helmet off in front of others. I don't know if Master Chief would have that same level of reactance.
I could also see people claiming they are trying to copy The Mandalorian if they did have him always were the helmet. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situation.
Hey Thor at this point what day are you thinking the darth nihilus video will be released
Probably this coming weekend.
Halo is one of my favorite franchises in large part because it is contained in a large well built world where for the most part additions to the universe fit in neatly with and add to the existing content, this new show doesn't do that, this time they went and threw everything else, the entire universe dozens of people have painstakingly built out the window as they thought they could do a better job than everyone that came before them, discarding everything i luked about this world and if this and infinite are representative with what microsoft wants for the franchise moving forward thrn while i will continue to consume the older content i can say i am quite done with everything they release moving forward and the franchise as a whole
I am not surprised.
"Everything solid and standing will evaporate, everything sacred will be desecrated"
This holds true to this day.
Hey star wars bruhs
when your identity is your helmet, taking it off means taking your identity away and you can never put it back on
when they made chief take off his helmet, i felt like he's just another spartan 2 in the same armor as chief
I have been saying this for years. You need at least one solid consultant when you are adapting an ID. Someone who can try to spot loopholes and inconstancies. Someone who understands the property, and why people love it. Who could read the script and go, "K so I see what you are going for here but if we made this change it fixes these problems and it fits with the lore better. Literally one line of dialogue or a name change."
I saw a meme some time ago - A job that Hollywood apparently doesn't realise it needs: Book Slappers. Every single production needs a person whose only job is to read the book, then slap the director with it every time they say "Yeah, but what if..." Can easily adapt that meme to lore & canon person.
I think making a halo tv show is really difficult when we already have a master chief story that has incredible iconic cutscenes. What story would be best told outside of the games?
Probably Blue Team’s story from the novels. Fall of Reach is widely considered one of, if not the best written novel in the Halo franchise.
@@Aredel I completely agree. This is what we should have gotten to bring more eyes to the halo universe where chief and the rest of the gang still exist but add meaningful stories to the halo universe.
Playing halo makes me expect gunfights and high stakes at every corner but the budget for a tv show may not be able to maintain that level of production so maybe a storyline like the reporter from the hunt the truth audio series would be amazing too.
Hey this might be a wired idea but could you compare the halo tv show to the 3 new Star Trek movies and explain how they compare to each other with altering the original story.
So... The third episode was that bad? 😬
Anyway, I absolutely agree, Thor. And there's a pretty interesting parallel there between Halo and the sequel trilogy, hum?
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Master Chief vs Mando. Who would win?
For the Halo series they should've done his origin, I know origin stories are outta style but it would have given EVERYONE what they wanted, new comers learn and people familiar with the story get to see it live action
that would have been great. imagine the first season takes its time to slowly establish master chief's character and perhaps even have the season finale be the fall of reach.
The Halo tv series creators have stated that their version is in a different timeline. Apparently one where very little makes sense.
"I've been looking forward to this"
i heard mystery box and almost jumped, still spooks me to this day
Oh what a hard question! I sure do wonder which one's better.
:l
I really don't understand the motivation of a company that would purchase the rights to an IP only to disregard it. I thought the purpose of getting the rights to make a movie/show was to appeal to a built-in audience. If they only wanted to create a new expanded audience, then why buy an existing IP? It would seem cheaper to making something from scratch and spend the money on marketing.
Cheif would win, yet Jar Jar would easily beat TV (wannabe) green Spartan in the Halo TV Show wreck.
The Halo show would be akin to Star Wars suddenly having giant Nexus fighting one another while Palps sits on a golden throne because he has to keep the Warp Lanes open because the huts used hyper space ramming to ruin all of the traffic areas.
At some point you can not tell if they are trying to copy something else... Or just failing in general.