NEW PROJECT ARRIVAL! Can We Build The British Leyland Hot Hatch That Never Was??
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Episode 129
As Project One completes metalwork there follows a new arrival! Have we gone a step too far this time?! Can we turn out a stunning build with an Austin Allegro as the starting point!!?? join us on the journey and find out :-)
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Hang on, isn't the Late Brake Show building a hot Allegro? Theres only one way to sort this out.........FIIIIGHT!!!!
A build-off you say!? We've discussed it 😉
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!!!!!
@thelatebrakeshow Who's going to win the race?
Jonny is keeping the original paint work patina so he fails
As much as I love retro power, johnnies allegro is going to be insane,k20 turbo 😁
Question: How many projects are waiting in the pipeline? ie. How long from when a project is okayed to when it actually starts?
I think they said between 2 and 4 years…
I’m struggling with the thought of cutting up an Integra Type R to build an Allegro, no matter how well it may turn out, but if anyone can make a good job of it, you guys are right up there.
Some of the design sketches suggest that it could be quite muscular - that’s probably the best way to excuse it…
Yes, I winced a bit too. I hope the shell goes to a good home.
No doubt the shell is rotted to the point of no return.
The renderings look a bit Allegro 6R4. A whaaaa?
A nice sleeper design would be cool. Just a couple of Roundels (no numbers), with slight wheel arches.
This is the first project I have misgivings about.... :(
Question… have you ever had a really expensive design fail? One of those where you’ve gone so far in time and materials but just run into the wall of nope, just can’t make that work?
I work in a completely different industry but have had that happen before 😱
The Jensen must have been close…
@@jerehada I don't get the sense from any of the updates that it was ever going to hit a wall, just that it was an inordinate amount of work to bring it up.
What is the average cost in pounds of a Retro Power vehicle to a customer?
I think we can safely say six figures. It would vary on how much custom metalwork etc but I'd guess £100k-250k upwards depending on spec, given that the Redux BMW is £330k and obviously has a profit margin (for both companies) and donor car cost built in.
I think it's probably a case of "if you have to ask how much it's going to cost you - you can't afford it!"
Finally, a RP project I can get excited about 🤩😝
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Question (for the new format where they’re answered at the end). Cal/Nat, the quality of your work is truly spectacular and I’ve loved all 129 episodes, but wondered whether you typically put your vehicles through a BIVA (SVA) test given that most of them have some quite extensive modification to their shells. Obviously the testing of Gordon’s car and the Stratos kit were covered, but it’s rarely mentioned otherwise.
As an ex car mechanic, who was always into tuning. What a beautiful place to work. I worked for Hartwell Motors tuning dept, back in the 60s I wasn’t there very long but I enjoyed working there. But your place is just next level. Love it.
Bedtime stories with retropower. Are te best bedtime stories. 😉
Much prefer the format this week, having all the fabrication first and the building afterwards makes much better sense to me. You’re compelled to watch right to end to get the final goods . Can’t wait to see your interpretation of the Allegro and how it will Compton Fab Cos . Great episode chaps 🙌🏻
Cool, glad you enjoyed. Noted, re. the format
@@retropowercars 100% on this format, makes much more sense from a 'following the workflow' perspective. I hope you can deliver on those white and orange renders of the Allegro, they look awesome!
Second the comment on the format, fab and paint before final assembly makes sense 👍🏻
@@retropowercars Much better and i had suggested this a while ago.
My question... What is the plan for wheels on the Jensen? I find that the most intriguing build that you've ever done, and can't quite imagine the end result, but in particular I think the wheels will be a vital part!
Thanks, J
They were black wire wheels on the renderings if I recall correctly.
Question: How do you avoid the Intelgro ending up in a Q plate? I've never managed to get my head round these rules/laws. At what point do you replace so much of the BL structure with Honda that it's no longer registerable(?)
as an Allegro? Will it stay on the Allegro V5 so it comes back as the correct appearance if the rozzers look it up? Does an IVA solve the problem by getting a new V5? (Sorry, that's four questions!)
If you have documentation that the engine and other major components came from the Integra they're stripping, The finished car will get a registration plate of the same year as the Integra. Unlike a Q plate, you can then change it to whatever (probably older) reg you fancy
Now this will be good!! I always wondered what a ‘proper’ hot Allegro would be like - the Equipe and early SuperSports were mildly warm, to say the least!
Please push the Allegro in the sea and restore the Integra 😅
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The Integra ❤️
2:25 The Alegro has ROOM in there for an LS 🤣
Just seen your YT stuff and builds on the go, what can I say but really awesome build quality, I've watched a lot of car build stuff, especially from the USA with Gas Monkey, and Kindig Design builds and I have to say your build quality, attention to detail and finish, is for me, just amazing and easily as good as the best the U.S. has to offer and better in a lot of ways, I don't want to denigrate other car builder in the UK doing amazing work but, quite probably the best in the UK from what I seen in this video, if only I had the money to have you build me something interesting, 4 years is a long time to wait for your dream to materialise.
loving your work fellas. 👍👍👍
A dolomite sprint is begging to be given the retro power treatment, but I suppose if it’s not on the list it’s not being built
Question: Are Stu and Tom aware just how admired they are for their skill?
(not taking away from anyone else of course)
Now for something completely different! I've been waiting patiently for this one, it's going to be such an interesting project to watch and all the better for it for being a humble Allegro - who doesn't love an underdog?! Respect to you guys for taking this project on 👍🏼
As a matter of fact, I don't like one particular underdog - I still remember push starting my sister in law's bloody awful Austin Maxi. In deep snow. On Christmas day. 30 something years ago.
@@alexbrown1995 that sounds like what (bad) memories are made of 😄 I think this underdog will be ok on that front, what with Honda underpinnings.
@@Chamba1977 Especially with the Retropower mob doing their magic 🙂
The thought of this is sacrilege of course, but the R5 GT Turbo-esque rendering with Integra underpinnings had this 80s hot hatch fan right on board. Times that by a spot of Retropower over-engineering, and this is set to be a great project!
The Allegro rendering at 4:21 in white with the orange stripes is fantastic! Really hoping the owner leans in hard to 70s funk. Double bonus points if they get properly luridly coloured seat inserts.
Whilst I agree that a hot hatch Allegro is a fantastic idea I'm afraid that I can't agree that sacrificing a fixable DC02 is the way to go. If the DC02 was a complete write-off that would be different but a bit of rust isn't a problem and these cars are appreciating modern classics and should be saved not destroyed, even if it is to create a kick ass Allegro.
Last week I discovered and binge-watched Fabco's project and the results so far are fascinating. I can't wait to see this one develop in your hands.
That Allegro is already my fav project by far, you lads have been involved in .... many a good watch incoming !
The “INTEGRO” or more fondly known as the “AGRO”. What an amazing project choice and you’ve certainly set the bar high. I tip my hat to you fellas and can’t wait to see how the project develops.
Allegra or Integro.. that is the question haha
@@retropowercars I think Allegra sounds too much like a popular smart speaker although that could be fun.
All Agro would be my choice for what that isn’t worth
@Gavin Buxton that name has already been taken.
@@huwdavies6650 dang! Just when I thought I’d managed to think up something clever and original! Haha. Never mind!
Haha! I thought it said "Rustin" Allegro on the back for a moment!
Question: Has anyone wanted you to build a Retro Ford Transit Mk1 LWB Van ? (There are some good ex Fire brigade ones around in Germany.)
This is the one to build ua-cam.com/video/qg6WdboK1nY/v-deo.html
The Hostin Allegra! 🫡👌
So, a Retropower version of Bad Obsession Motorsport’s Binky. Or is that Urchfab’s MX5 Prefect? Excellent! “ Make the noise”.
Please don’t take 7 years.
I get it...Great Idea...Just don't cut up That nice RARE TYPE R ....cut up any old Integra,.........you'll probably end up changing half of the metal work and seam brazing it anyway ...?????
We could also have used a civic floorpan, but we want a B18C engine, and that means integra or civic type R. Bottom line, it was the most convenient and cost effective way to get engine, transmission, floorpan and core subframe components
that Landcruiser inlet manifold !
Really excited to see the progress on the CV8!
As an integra owner id say this is pretty contentious!! The drivetrain is superb, but the chassis is better. The double wishbone set up in EG civics and DC2/4 integras is beyond comprehension considering these cars were sold as a housewives runabout.
The Allegro was actually quite a cool car in the original designers concept, it was supposed to be a hatchback, and originally it had some intuitive and forward thinking ideas, shame the execution of it went off in a tangent but I still think it had potential 😊
More than a little Project Binky about that Allegro project! And I agree with Cal that the Allegro is a good looking car!
Ah someone needs to run a sweepstake on who's Allegro's gonna be finished first, this one, or Jonny's?
Jonny's got fewer people to work on his, but he has a head start!
:edits: I commented as soon as I saw the credits- I should have waited for your opening remarks!
passed my test in an All agro albeit a later one but i always liked the look of them as a youngster and i think the shape of it will make a really good rod
I when I was a nipper, I thought the Allegro Equipe was the coolest thing ever! Those graphics. At least it was an attempt to make the thing look modern I guess. Your Equipe rendering looks like it could turn out really well.
The question isnt can you do it its should you do it.
For Tom’s sake I think you should develop a pneumatic chaser before he needs a hand transplant.
I've got to admit every molecule in my body is screaming "Fix the Integra, let the Austin join it's brethren in the junkyard." I sincerely hope this turns out better than what I'm thinking.
Exactly what I was about to say. Totally agree.
@@chrispy104k ditto. The Integra R is a genuinely good car. An All Agro never was.
I remember the disdain when it came out ('they turned the elegant 1100/1300 into THAT!), and the shoddy build of the early ones.
Given who's building it is there really any doubt?
4:23 it needs to look like that, that looks so good!
The second design was very cool, almost R5 turbo style
Can't wait to see the Allegro's next to each other......
Have a deep, probably quite dark, soft spot for Allegro's, my dad had a 1.5 as a company car in 1977-80 and the fact that it had a 5 speed gearbox was a revelation. Ride and handling was good in the context of the mostly leaf sprung competition. Had a few issues with it such as wheel bearings etc which were solved by us at home rather than the dealer. Gear linkage was a bit ponderous but was nice if changes were not rushed. One of my cousins had a Mk3 1.5 that had twin carbs and was actually a really good update, handling had been drastically improved, a bit more performance and a good gearchange that didn't have to be used with as much care. Years later in the 90's, I had a Maestro that I built with a 1600 R Series (developed from the E-Series in the allegro/maxi but with a vw golf gearbox). I had used the DCNF carbs out of the MG1600 Maestro along with a ported head, cam and lightened / balanced bottom end to get 145bhp which was reasonable from a 1.6 8V engine that had it's origins in the 60's. Had plans to do a stroker 1800 version of the engine using a modified 1750 crank or just put a K-series in it but ended up buying an Alfa 155 instead lol. Sounds like another great project you have, look forward to seeing it progress!
Where’s the rust on the Integra?
I thought there were many hot Allegros back in the day when they caught fire!
You know - a lot of people will say that the Allegro was a terrible car, with panel-gaps you could drive a bus through, awful handling, a rubbish suspension system and looks only a mother could love. And they'd ALL be right...
Taking two cars I have little interest in and combining them into something cool? I'm in. 🙂
Then put the a series into the Integra and make a cold hatch
More flared out arches, and a modern wheel/tyre package needed; but I agree, the basic body styling is nice !!
It’s what you would get if the Late Brake Show was crossed with Project Binky!!
This really looks like a great project. Can’t wait to see where this goes!!!!!
Whatever happened to those Binky guys?
@@ralphmillais5237still going
@@ralphmillais5237 Nick hasn't looked very well for years
@@ralphmillais5237 electronics are being created for Binky, from what i can gather. still progressing, albeit even more slowly than before.
Great.......👍👍👍
Austin Alegro! Can't you just drop a piano on it like Top Gear would?😂
Like your thinking or just drop it in skip
@@kiwicol7383 Id rather fit the Type R engine and running gear to an actual skip!!
Question, what is the process for accepting a build ? I imagine money is high up the list , but are there other criteria, what are the boxes that need to be ticked
I'm glad you acknowledged that the Allegro is not a well built car - you're going to have reinforce a fair bit as there is not much structural integrity in the shell. It's shame as the original designs were pretty good but then the BL machine just ripped the guts out of it. .
I'm not a Honda person at all but scrapping that Type R is appalling. It'll prob be one of those cars worth a lot in 20 years.
Hints and tips.
1. Don't start with a Marina.
2. If you start with an Allegro throw away everything except the square steering wheel as that will make a nice talking point.
Interesting how people laughed at the "square" steering wheel back then and it was soon deleted but half the new cars available today have odd shaped steering wheels!
White with orange stripes is just the perfect balance for the Austin
Whatever next I'm seriously looking forward to seeing how much of a monster you turn this allegro into chaps.
Allways thought someone should do a Marina coupe, any takers ?.
When do we get to see details of the John Deere 3050 build?
God seeing that Integra being taken apart was hard to watch 😢 Looking forward to seeing the end result though!
Keep at it !
You should ask Steve from MED if he wants to buy the A-Series & Gearbox dont scrap it!
Is it a 1275?
Fantastic project, nice little sleeper design, roundels (no numbers), slightly flared arches, BRG obviously, a few extra air intakes.
Nice to do a complete LCD dash (but with original dials mimicked). Must have minilites.
Hay ho, just sitting here thinking. Best wishes.
amazing stuff as usual
The Allegro looks cool. It will be fun/interesting to see that compared to Johnny's Allegro.
Hang on a mo the teggy, isn’t going to be the doner for the Allegro?
Wish I had all the money in the world so I could buy all my fave cars you've built!!!
Use all the Honda parts to fund the build... the parts are worth a mint to JDM fans
Every time I watch you guys I get excited, then go stand in front of my car and loose all confidence. Got a straight NSU ro80 and the engine is brilliant but gearbox toast…also got a W8 Passat I used as a loaner car for family I could never bring myself to sell (purely for the engine…love it). For 3 years now I’ve wanted to w8 motor and box the ro80 but keep scaring myself. Know if this being done ? Or better still, anyone capable of it here in NZ.
So envious of you guys…damn I wish I had your talent
Have hit my thumb knuckle so many times, I shiver with pain just mentioning it. Good luck Tom, build that guard.
From someone wanting to do a 'floorpan swap' I've heard that dvla are clamping down on these because they are comparing them to 'cut n shuts' from back in T' day.. anyone know of this?
This is not The Thunderdome. 2 cars in, 1 car out isn't how it should be.
If the Integra parts are being donated to the Allegro, then I really hope the Allegro parts are being donated to the Integra.
2 cars in. 2 cars out!
Sorry guys, can’t get on board with this one. My take would be to restore the Integra and condem the All-Agro to the tin-worm worm food. Arse about face.
Allegro,s have gotten better looking over the years .Kinda like the American AMC Pacer (Wayne's World Car) .
They replaced a better looking better driving and better build quality Austin 1100 - 1300 .Plus people hated the none round steering wheel and no 1/4 light window that are a must in a none air conditioned car .
Cal I quite like having the body shop work first as its a logical order of things. I appreciate you will want to do an intro first of course.
Allegro will be mega. The Escort arches are a w9rk of art.
Allegro with Integra underpinnings….what a challenging and innovative project. You guys have no limits, and absolutely fearless! Can’t wait to see that taking shape. 👍
British Leyland would have used their K series engine not a Honda engine though.
They are now being pushed to 800hp
I know it is the most rational way, but - like Churchill - it saddens me a little that the chosen car is such a fine, original example
Let's see which is the better one, yours or Johnny's. And shame on you for ripping apart an Integra R.
I’m all for someone making a fast allegro, but sacrificing an integra type R to do it? F**k no.
As long as the end product still closely resembles an Allegro then why not? Looking forward to seeing it progress.
Looking forward to the All agro project. I do hope it's not not going to have bubble arches like the MK 1 Escort that would kill the simple lines of a unique design.
Oh, no. Somebody has fitted an aftermarket round steering wheel!
Would have been better with a TVR spec Rover V8 tbh.
Wow can't wait to see the allegro build I've just sold my modified allegro a year ago
Interesting, what was done to it ?
@Ed Kay hi I had engine rebuilt to 13.60cc High lift cam,Cooper s exhaust,14 inch mgb wheels roll cage bucket seat pod rev counter,mountney steering wheel,map light de bumpered etc
@@garrysimpson4056 Pretty cool, I'm always interested in the spec of the rally cars and ones people modded
@Ed Kay I used to rally an hillman imp when I was young then a mk1 cortina,met a girl at motor club she became my navigator then my wife,we still marshal even at our ages love it
@@garrysimpson4056 that's Awesome. Allegros finally getting some recognition, mines the k series turbo one
That Allegro looks really handsome. The renders had modded grilles, but I think the original is great. Gonna have to redo the flares? The wheel wells are pretty shallow and I'm not sure going the skirt and air dam route is 100% the best route to perfecting the overall stance.
hated the rustin all-agro, my old man had a puke green pile of shite, now't but hassle. sold it for an fso polonez, that old fso was bomb proof and never missed a beat.
Project Binky Vibes with the Allegro👌
I approve of the Mk1 arches, I think you've got them just right. I always thought the Mk1 rear forest arches looked a bit odd with those big bubbles.
Also love the Allegro renders, it's going to be amazing!
You are right about the arches. I love the Murray escort. Big arches makes cars look like a Fat bird in a mini skirt. Not a great look😂
I love the juxtaposition of Churchill which is going to be a work of art and the allegro , no one can say the builds are not varied.
I suggest you cut the tail pipes back on the Morris it looks like a wheelbarrow
Awesome as Always... Hahaha I had One in '87...Fiat twin cam Smiles Per Gallon...
Good project an il like the shape of the allegro. I know very well the intégra and the type R have some couple of tricks in the body for rigidity. If you want to keep the Honda driving qualities you need to increase the allegro body. But very happy seeing a project involving a Honda
Have you thought about putting the A-Series in the Integra? ...
hang on a second .. Japanese running gear into a old British Leyland ?? where have i seen that idea before ??
There already was a Hot Hatch AllAgro. HL 1750.... went like the clappers but handled like a pram.
Allegro looks to have more space for the transplant than Binky.
I would have never cut up that DC2 bodyshell, as a Civic shell would have worked equally well. I get how it turns out more to be more cost effective, but in 20 years time those DC2 shells will be worth quite a lot I expect. And those DC2's are very close to my heart, haha!
Either way a cool project and looking forward to the end result!
I hear ya, but it'd have to have been a jdm type r civic to have the B18C and that would be even rarer and probably more valuable
I hope the shell goes to a good home.
Yeah the good B18 engine and gearbox only came in the Integra Type-R. The only budget option would have been a B18C4 from an Swindon built Civic. All Japanese Civics including the Type Rs always came with B16 engines. The suspension and geometry is shared across all Civics/Integra's, so a normal Civic would have been fine for the floorplan. The Type R has specific anti roll bars, springs, dampers and steering rack. You can probably recoup quite a bit of money on the DC2 parts (interior, body panels, springs and dampers). So from a business point of view it makes total sense. Cheers!
The JDM civics have the b16bs 180hp 1.6... the UK type rs are going to be worth the money in the future because there will be hardly any left. They all rust and get stripped. I do totally understand tho the integra has all the goodies you need 🤷.