That seems very true about Joel being a real one; I was watching Koko's stream a couple of days ago and she was a bit down on herself, and he called her and relentlessly was nice and supportive of her without being condescending or overly patronizing, sharing lots of his experience and being very empathetic. Gained a lot of respect for him watching that stream, for sure.
That's why he is called "father" on his chat. Or some other says that he had already had a child and lived through the growth spurt and has experience, AKA "Divorced Dad" vibes (mind you, he is almost the same age as your average Vtuber, its just his upbringing). Every time he collabs with someone, he gets shunted to the dad role as the other just became a kid who was let loose on a park.
The popularity of singing content isn’t just because of idol culture (although that does help by setting up an audience) but because a large segment of early Japanese Vtuber/or proto-Vtuber were Utaite, cover singers. Thanks to JASRAC, Japanese music licensing is more permissible and easier to deal with than American equivalent make even easier by the rise of indie musician from the Vocaloid scene who intentionally gave out open licensing for other people to cover and remix their songs. Also early Vtubing (a.k.a Kizuna Ai era) was mostly skits and gameplay compilation. It wasn’t until the Utaite started moving in (either by being recruited by Corpo like Holo, Niji or just converting their setup for streaming, which is PNGtubing in all but name) that music became ubiquitous.
I think it's also just a logical connection: a Vtuber is, ultimately, just a voice. The voice can be hooked up to some kind of visualization, whether it be a PNG or a Live2D model or a full-blown 3D model, but at the end of the day, the part of the broadcast supplied by the streamer is their voice. What can you do with a voice? You can talk or you can sing (or you can make random noises, which is where ASMR comes in, haha). Chatting streams were already becoming the most popular streams even before the rise of Vtubers, and singing is just talking in tune with music, haha. EDIT: Or, to take it one step further as Geega said, you could actually be a Vtweeter who never even streams. You're literally a disembodied voice then. Your voice is a textual, written voice at that point, rather than a spoken one, but it's still a voice. (Think back to the literary theory they taught us in high school.) Voice is inescapable for anyone who wants to publicly communicate and it's the thing that all professionals working in this space share.
It's always so annoying to me when people say it's because of "idol culture" when utaites have been around since late 2000s - early 2010s doing exactly the same content as vtubers do now (including streaming games/recording letsplay videos and having an anime character representing them online) The only difference is that vtubers have models now and start out as streamers most of the time while utaites used to pick streaming as a casual, noncommittal activity they'd do from time to time to have fun or when they were bored lol
In my opinion it's both idol culture (especially net idols) and utaite similarly! The topic in this video focused on idol culture mostly because chat was asking questions about idol culture and how it impacted vtubing, so the other stuff wasn't mentioned much.
7:22 I think it slowly built up, first with Kizuna Ai swearing, then Korone's cute English, Kiryu Coco, and now Holo EN. Clippers played a huge role as well
There's a not-completely unreasonable belief that a lot of early EN VTuber popularity came from Japanese girls enthusiastically saying the N word because of that one scene in GTA 5, or ProjektMelody doing...what she does on the Moon.
@@forklauncher Melody was a big impetus in the West and with her and Gunrun creating Vshojo, Zentreya, Nyanners and other saw a major boom, but then came along Numi, ShyLilly and so many more and they did what they could to build a huge audience as Numi, Bao, have both been on youTube for years (Numi told Cotton she's been doing UA-cam for about 10 years (started as a teen))
She doesn't slur her speech at all, her words are very clear and intentional. I think she talked about why she did that once, might have been related to the OCD? Dunno.
@@YukonHexsun This basically only happens when people specifically study and train themselves to have perfect enunciation. It's very common among people that have ever aspired to be voice actors -- in fact, so much so that, without knowing anything else about Geega, I'd bet money that she had aspirations in that direction at one point, based solely on her preternaturally perfect enunciation. It takes years of constantly mindful practice to do that and nobody invests that effort unless there's the possibility of some payoff at the end of the rainbow.
ESL either are unintelligible glibberish goblin (like I am) or have the clearest pronunciation, better than natives. I find East Asian and Southeast Asian who are super fluent in English are the best to hear stuff from.
@@StochasticUniverse Yeah, that could very easily be the case, although voice actors aren't the only ones who train that specific skill, plenty of traditional actors do too (especially method actors), but also even completely different professions where they are required to have really good enunciation, like teachers, broadcasters, reporters and so on. Having said that, it's less common for other professions than it is for VAs (for obvious reason) and considering the context, chances are that as you said she was interested in being a VA at some point in her life.
I really like the way Geega talks. For a while I couldn't pinpoint exactly why. It's not necessarily her voice but the way she speaks & I think it's because of what y'all have said here.
I agree that the boom is over. Vtubers used to be something novel, even mesmerising whenever you found the very good models, but that novelty passed away. Vtubers now are just another category of streaming content, the same way amourant is different from asmongold: they do the same (streaming) but they do totally different things.
Except asmon is bald, amourant is literal cancer and Vtubing is just vtubing unless its nijisanji and you can just decide on what you think about them yourself.
I don't know if I'm happy or sad that the Vtuber bubble is over. On the one hand I am sad because it means its not exploding anymore. On the other it means its reached mainstream success and its not considered weird anymore. Everyone knows what they are and its a totally normal thing. Lots of people will watch a vtuber not because they are a vtuber but purely based off of the fact that they are a great streamer. Also I live for Geega's voice. I could listen to her read a phone book and I can't put my finger on why.
Growing up and being an otaku was interesting, because it was so hated but the communities were tight knit. So I don't know if I should feel bad if I have children and they're into otaku stuff because on one hand they won't get bullied and insulted as much but they also missed the small community vibes
With Hololive opening an office next month with an eye for setting up concerts and setting up merchandising partners, both companies that manufacture products as well as stores that will display the products, I am certain Vshojo, Phase and Idol will also utilize these companies or similar companies, meanwhile Hololive is also currently working on a2 manga and I think a possible Anime based on them we could actully see the next phase of the VTuber boom, which is to break past our level and reach into the anime watchers as a while and then beyond into the mainstream.
i still remember the overwhelming amount of tik toks of small streamers (usually young too) who would constantly use hooks like "WHY I SHOULD BE YOUR NEW COMFORT STREAMER". people were so bored in lockdown you'd literally just consume content and stan people to pass time
4:15 That's not entirely accurate. The music trends on the Japanese side can be linked to idol culture at times, but it's mostly because of Karaoke and Vocaloid culture. A majority of Japanese city kids have gone to karaoke their whole lives, and will want to sing on stream too. After that, there's a very convenient pipeline towards releasing Vocaloid, and then J-pop music as covers. Then yes, mvs were good promotion material before all the YT views changes, now it's better to release them as shorts, since they don't make back the money anyway.
Yeah i dont understand hating png tubers. 2.5 and 3d Models are expensive and take a lot of work to design/rig. If you dont have the money to get a better model or if you just dont want to... Its really weird to be bashed for that.
@@kattz9051 The medium doesn't matter as much as just getting the content out there. No point in having the worlds greatest model if you don't have the experience to even use it properly.
I swear the face tracking tech of vtuber models nowadays are so impressive. The way she states “vtuber boom is over” then scoffs, then the eye movement when she reminisces are just… *chef kiss* 😭
ARKit on iPhone lets you do that. When everyone (yes EVERYONE) started before VTS, you were stuck with FaceRig which used it's own OpenCV, or you needed a special camera(eg realsense), or you did 3D with Luppet, which used ARKit through ifacialmocap. Yes 3D was doing it before 2D was, and ARkit has only been available since the iphone X, in 2017. That said, an iPhone is a requirement to be a Vtuber if you are going to pay for an expensive model. It's like the old addage of "expensive car, cheap house". If you pay 2000 dollars for a 2D model and then just use a 90 dollar webcam, you've paid for an expensive model that you can't fully utilize. To that end google mediapipe and nvidia broadcast (maxine) both do "good enough" and only use an input resolution of 256p. They have their own tradeoffs, with google pretty much stating that they know their model doesn't work as well on certain skin tones and face types.
It's definitely impressive, and the amount of work that goes into making the tracking as natural is also quite impressive (especially for Live2D). I won't mention the price tag though lmao 😅
Yep, people whining about Mel were how I found out vtubers existed. Looked her up to see what all the squawking was about and fell down the rabbit hole because I thought the tech was really cool.
I’d argue that the Hindu gods were the first vtubers as they used avatars to interact with people and often played roles that weren’t quite the same as their own personalities. Edit: people also worship both and keep small statuettes of them.
@@xiiir838 that's one thing, I'm not really interested in growing, I'll be just doing the streaming because I don't want to sit and be lazy. I'll probably delegate UA-cam and Twitter to a supporter and might get a discord. I probably wouldn't have a good idea of what creates good content for UA-cam anyway
It helps that she was a part of that really early indie community that also included some of the most popular vtubers you see in the industry. If you were around that time, you would already know some of them as they became corpos.
I think the important part about the 'PNG-tubers' would be that there is a massive commitment difference between the two. A full Vtuber model is hard, and, from what I've heard, expensive, and needs a lot of software, and you either need to know how to do every single thing yourself, or pay someone else, and either way, that's a lot of work down the drain if you 'graduate' as a vtuber. PNG, meanwhile, is just a picture. If you haven't gotten a full model yet, then you can start with just a PNG of what you want your model to be, and if it works out, you upgrade it eventually. You can also 'model swap' a lot more often than a full model, because it's pretty easy to just draw a PNG real quick. There are probably other pros and cons, too, but these are just what I can think of off the top of my head.
the live 2D models can be realy expensiv, if its have to look good. For anyone who want so start streaming/vtubing, is finacily wiser to start of with a png-model, i heard that many times already from other already big vtubers aswell, many started of as png-tuber. While a live2D model maybe more visually appealing, pngs can have there own charm aswell. At the end, it comes down to what you are doing with it.
The good news is that getting a model together is WAY easier than it used to be. Want to go 3D? Vroid's actually a solid base to work with. Need something 2D? There's off-the-shelf rigs and art available for cheap/free if you just want to get your feet wet and see if you like it. Still: Agreed. PNG is king for starters for a reason. Even then: PNGTuber Plus models are becoming more of a thing for artistic reasons, if limited animation and stylization is your aesthetic. Good stuff, all around.
@@IDTen_T Oh yah, i mean there is a entire marked now with 1000s of artists providing everything your heart can wish for, from cheaper to more expensiv models and rigs.
There's also the hardware factor. Live2D models demands a lot more of your computer due to tracking, deformers, texture resolution, etc. There's the Phone tracking alternative, but then you need a good phone (processing power and battery) with a good camera. Meanwhile, a PNG demands a lot less of your machine (even if you use a more elaborate PNG) which is good for aspiring "VTubers" that are not able to afford a computer powerful enough to handle a full model, the streaming software and a game or whatever they plan to do.
As an old person, who is just learning about Vtubers at the end of last year (learning about Neurosama was the gateway to this world, after UA-cam started recommending Vtubers based off of that), this was pretty helpful. There needs to be a vtuber lexicon for us out of touch people to understand :D
Additional terms: *Hako* : literally means box. Refers to a self-contained group of VTubers (or idols). So Hololive and VShojo would be a "Hako". *Hako-oshi* : Supports everyone from a certain group. One can call themselves a Hako-oshi if they have general support for a specific group. *DD* : Shorten from "Daredemo Daisuki" meaning "loves whomever". An even more broad support than Hako-oshi and loves/supports everyone. It took a more joking direction from what I know, but that might just from the Taiwanese circle, I am not as sure for Japanese circle. IIRC those terms are all originated from Japanese idol culture.
Coco(Kson) was when it started to boom in EN. She was a huge front runner to connect us to the whole trend. There were a lot of Vtubers which were small scale in EN but they were incredibly rare and still had majority OCE/Asian fan base.
Not sure the Vtuber boom is totally over. I believe there is still a place for them to boom in Europe or some European countries. Many of my friends had no idea whatsoever that Vtubers exist and all of them are gamers and/or anime and manga fans who often knew streamers but when I asked them about Vtubers they had no clue. Any other EU Vtuber fans experiencing this?
I like this video and the details Geega goes into. I'm not even doing the 3D Vtuber thing because I think it'll give me a boost or anything. I'm just having fun with it. I would make videos and goof around regardless of 3D model, Live2D, or using the good old PNG chibi. It's just about doing what you enjoy rather than what you think is the hip and happenin'.
Never in this clip did GEEGA say it’s too late to be a vtuber, so if that still interests you then you should give it an honest try at least. She was just saying the novelty being a vtuber wore off, so it’s harder to gain a following just by being a vtuber.
I was wondering about those words! Thanks Geega! Great video as usual, I love your content! You're SUPER nice, and explain everything so well! A bit hard to follow with how fast you talk sometimes lol.
I started Vtubing & streaming about 4 weeks back, honestly I don't know if I'm any good. I've got maybe 4 people that gone around to watch regularly as of lately. But I feel like I'm just lacking in all departments of entertainment.
1:19 interestingly enough, the oshi mari kinda convergent evolution-ed/adapt itself on twitter in a weird but understandable way! I remember seeing emojis get tied to content creators back in 2020, and being like "huh that's cute but what?" Thinking about it now, I would guess it was adapted from kpop, since kpop became so widespread, and ofc, kpop and jpop share so many similarities (and differences) due to general idol culture! Also, in 2020 (during the amongus time) was when syk became synonymous with the sprout so the community kept it bc it was so cute :)
they probably drop character because 1 agencies are more focused on hiring people who are entertrainers than good actors 2 it must be difficult for non-actors to stay on a character for like, 2-4 consecutive hours, three days a week, on live, and somebody would probably complain that they're being "too fake" lol the lore stuff is to strenghten their design and branding, as it's easier for any character designer to make something with a concept AND a backstory like, you could say your concept is "an alien that likes collecting dolls", but in your lore you can elaborate that the alien fell in japan on march, the time where the hina doll festival happens, and became enamored with the look of the dolls, and then you may even incorporate a kimono like the ones that the dolls have in the design, or have the dolls in the stream background (random example i just invented here, idk if it would work for a vtuber but it would certainly be memorable if someone pulled it off)
Keeping character is good and important for art prompts, merch, and pre-recorded content. For live content, viewers tend to gravitate more toward people that keep things chill and are a bit less characterized, as it's more relatable. People usually keep those two things compartmentalized so followers on different platforms have a different experience.
@@GEEGA Hi Geega, I appreciate the answer. That does clear things up. I suppose I have a follow up question or two if you don't mind. 1. Is there a perfect ratio? 2. Are there any vtubers who do stay mostly in character? I am almost positive I can think of only a handful. Maybe one. Would team Fuwamoco count?
id define both png tubers and vtubers as both being digital puppets. one is controlled with tracking, one is controlled with voice activation. with a third type of digital puppets being those found in gtarp, the controller digital puppets. this is how png tubers, vtubers, and gtarp characters are all related.
I didn't know anything about this stuff until I started watching Vshojo. Now, I know more slang Japanese than I do Dutch slang (where I live, I'm from the US). Henya is my kamioshi. All of the rest of Vshojo are my oshis. I keep it uncomplicated. But, man...there are a LOT of tubers. Talking about the glut of vtubers. I didn't really watch the Japanese stuff, and I was stunned at a picture of all of the Vtubers who are in Ninisanji. Good grief.
Vtubing us pretty normal now. I was always expecting it to normalize. I think the future of people's online presence is to have some sort of avatar or character they use online, and vtubers are so far the most dedicated thing like that. I may even be a png tuber at some point. I don't like when people try to claim that you can't try to do things differently though and try to define something as what they think it is. You can be a vtuber and essentially make any content online. Because being a vtuber is still pretty much the same thing as being a regular streamer anyways.
as a long time vtuber enjoyer, this was a good explanation, no waffle I personally consider png-tubers to be a premonition to the full-vtuber model; a level 1 form if you will
@0:05 An oschi is something big. "Oh, what an oschi that was!" @4:35 Yes, but having a "Richard" puts you already into a niche given how oestrogen laden the business is. That doesn't mean much if you suck, though. I could imagine being the Bo Burnham of vtubing puts you in a good position. Being a voice actor, singer and comedian is a good combination, I assume, since you cannot rely on being cute and charming as someone with a "Richard". Appealing to girl groupies is kinda appealing to a niche audience of a niche audience and doesn't sound a recipe to success.🤔
V- and pngtuber is definetively different. I know two Letsplayers who are pretty old and dont use facecams. One now has a vtuber avatar which just is weird, the other has a png-tuber avatar that I like.
Actually, a vtuber is just an online entertainer who uses a virtual avatar generated with computer graphics. PNGTubers are VTubers, there isn't a distinction between the two.
Well, I know the boom is over when people like Kenji becomes popular among Vtubers, when he's completely against Vtuber culture, keeps getting into fights with the real Vtuber community and his community doesn't even know who paved the way of the Vtubers nowadays, claiming the Vtuber community would be better without them. Worst of all is that Kenji got a lot of support from the stablished western Vtuber community, so please, can anyone explain to me what the community turned into?
I never really engaged with people who strictly a western vtuber fan but it seems crazy to me that some fans don't know some basic things. Not talking down about them but it just shows how different the worlds are
Copied from a j-e dictionary to recommend, to endorse (e.g. a candidate), to nominate, to support, to back Which to be fair, I had the same mistaken idea as geega. The impression I've gotten is that words that sound the same do tend to have tangentially similar meanings, so I wouldn't say it's an egregious mistake to make.
@@gameguru8 I just googled it and I found an English definition of oshi as follows: oshi 【 押し 】押 Kanji Details (n) push; pressure; authority; audacity 君は押しが足りない。 You don't have enough push. Coupled with the fact that I've heard other people give this definition before, I don't think that Geega was wrong. It also makes logical sense that the word's meaning would evolve from pushing in the sense of "applying pressure" to pushing in the sense of "helping to spread, supporting" (like how drug dealers are sometimes called drug pushers, haha).
5:40 Bro I am a native english speaker and I'm struggling to keep up. It's just like that scene in Young Justice when Flash and Impulse are talking and KF can't keep up. LITERALLY the same. :o EDIT: LMAO that end quote! xD I fucking feel that LMAO. No hate, just saying. xD
Speaking as someone from the Northeast, she sounds not abnormal to me. Lots of people talk fast; she at least has great elocution while she's doing it.
don't mean any sort of disrespect or anything, but just observing Vtubing from afar, it's kinda wild how little the 'Vtubing community' knows about idol culture (generally speaking), despite Vtuber culture being a near-mirror of it don't get me wrong, they're different things and different demographics, but i always assumed that Vtuber communities were runoff from idol because they're so similar; just interesting, that's all plus, i understand that not everyone has been immersed head to toe in japanese music/the jp music industry for over a decade. haha
Vtweeters shouldn't count imo. If you haven't debuted, have no plans to debut, and just make posts on twitter, you are not a vtuber. Fucking debut already
I feel like the Vtuber community has gotten itself into an echo chamber. Deluded itself into being more significant than it is. Truth is the Vtubers are a niche within a niche. The greater portion of anime and streamer fans are barely aware that Vtubers even exist. Vtubers have so much further to go, there’s a huge potential for a second boom when Vtubers expand beyond the anime aesthetic. I can easily see a kids show hosted by a vtubers. Vtubers used to expedite animation. You can have a JP and EN VA just use the same model and eliminate much of the difficulty in localization because you don’t have to match mouth flaps. I’m surprised Hoyo hasn’t rigged their 3D models for VAs to use. Imagine if Disney/pixar makes one
@@Chr.Monika6469 since when? Vtuber is a presentation style….like podcast. The current collection of Vtubers, you can’t say their content is for any single age group. Vtubers are heavily influenced by the anime aesthetic, but they aren’t bound by it. Miss Lala and pumpkinpotion are non-anime Vtubers, it’ll happen
wanna know something? Sad fact actually: weeniedesu is a bully. Yeah she already apologized, but that apology has been deleted, so frick that girl i aint getting commissions from her like NEVER. A yes dont go pestering the people involved.
VTubing is nowhere near boomed-out. Sure, you're talking about cultural appropriation from Japan to America and Europe, but that's just phase one. Now that North Americans know that they can be their Saturday morning cartoons that they grew up with, the goal now is entrepreneurship, to which companies like VStream represent the small-scale start-ups that flopped, and medium-scale companies like Rooster Teeth that got absorbed, now it's large-scale companies doing English major programming. With the present absorption of gaming engines by the giant companies, they will create the ultra-realistic looking characters inside of interactive worlds, will make 2D streaming models look like crayons on paper, but no matter how advanced the models are which represent trademarked properties, they'll be soulless without good actors, and that's where the entire virtual streamer community becomes the next generation of skilled community-driven motion capture performers. Basically, television and film ended with virtual streamers, nobody has noticed it yet. I think the switch will flip in the public conscience when 3.5D holographic projection puts characters in a diorama roughly where the coffee table sits in a living room. They'll be bulky units for sure, but so is a fish tank.
6:07 I think people forget sometimes that we're living in the golden age of deepfakes, haha. If Lucasfilms can put Carrie Fisher in a movie after she's already dead in real life, there are officially no limits anymore. Is that new corpo Vtuber not good at singing? Did she flub all her lines? No problem at all! We'll just use an AI model to make President John F. Kenedy sing the lines, instead -- on key and on time, everytime! :P
The way she talked is different. I keep trying to grabs it, then I realize… She spoke unlike most girl streamer, if I have to say, she is more like emiru. (I only know very little girl streamer though) what I mean they both talk not like most girl, but more like a man. No drama, not too much personal feeling, instead give more fact and more straightforwards.
Not necessarily, you can start out with a free model from vroid or a cheap model from booth or etsy. You don't need to start out with a perfect million dollar model
I dunno about "lots," unless you're in a very economically weak country. There's at least one website out there specifically for finding a model on a budget (Limealicious mentioned it in a short recently), and used iPhones aren't _that_ expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if I could budget one out for a month or two's rent where I live, which isn't that expensive for tools needed to start a career; just ask a mechanic sometime.
@@OOZ662 No, cheap models don't exist (unless you're using a generic free model, in which case you might as well not even have a model), and you need a lot more tech than just an iPhone (mic, decent computer, possibly a capture card if you're wanting to stream console games, etc).
@@otaking3582Complete nonsense, some of the most popular streamers and Vtubers spent literally nothing to start. Ironmouse began with a free model. XqC doesn't use any crazy expensive graphics or anything. It's all about the strength of your personality. You can spend infinite money on a model, if you're not interesting nobody will watch. Some streamers don't appear as a model or use face cam at all like Vinny Vinesauce and are popular. Personality comes before everything.
@@OrbObserver Even Iron Mouse did start with a free model (which she didn't), she started when there were far less English-speaking VTubers and was therefore able to standout. It doesn't matter how good your personality is if you don't have good presentation.
@@nakirigumi245 That just proves the point. There isn't enough food to go around, so there's going to be a famine. But not for those who already own all the food, haha. "The rich get richer" isn't only true in the real world, you know. It applies on the internet, too.
@@StochasticUniverseI wouldn’t really say it proves that vtuber is going downhill if we are just saying the vtuber scene is consolidating. Especially with Vtubing since corporations have always been a part of the scene. Lest we forget Kizune AI’s “goal” was to appear in Ads.
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That seems very true about Joel being a real one; I was watching Koko's stream a couple of days ago and she was a bit down on herself, and he called her and relentlessly was nice and supportive of her without being condescending or overly patronizing, sharing lots of his experience and being very empathetic. Gained a lot of respect for him watching that stream, for sure.
That's why he is called "father" on his chat. Or some other says that he had already had a child and lived through the growth spurt and has experience, AKA "Divorced Dad" vibes (mind you, he is almost the same age as your average Vtuber, its just his upbringing). Every time he collabs with someone, he gets shunted to the dad role as the other just became a kid who was let loose on a park.
The popularity of singing content isn’t just because of idol culture (although that does help by setting up an audience) but because a large segment of early Japanese Vtuber/or proto-Vtuber were Utaite, cover singers. Thanks to JASRAC, Japanese music licensing is more permissible and easier to deal with than American equivalent make even easier by the rise of indie musician from the Vocaloid scene who intentionally gave out open licensing for other people to cover and remix their songs.
Also early Vtubing (a.k.a Kizuna Ai era) was mostly skits and gameplay compilation. It wasn’t until the Utaite started moving in (either by being recruited by Corpo like Holo, Niji or just converting their setup for streaming, which is PNGtubing in all but name) that music became ubiquitous.
I think it's also just a logical connection: a Vtuber is, ultimately, just a voice. The voice can be hooked up to some kind of visualization, whether it be a PNG or a Live2D model or a full-blown 3D model, but at the end of the day, the part of the broadcast supplied by the streamer is their voice. What can you do with a voice? You can talk or you can sing (or you can make random noises, which is where ASMR comes in, haha). Chatting streams were already becoming the most popular streams even before the rise of Vtubers, and singing is just talking in tune with music, haha.
EDIT: Or, to take it one step further as Geega said, you could actually be a Vtweeter who never even streams. You're literally a disembodied voice then. Your voice is a textual, written voice at that point, rather than a spoken one, but it's still a voice. (Think back to the literary theory they taught us in high school.) Voice is inescapable for anyone who wants to publicly communicate and it's the thing that all professionals working in this space share.
It's always so annoying to me when people say it's because of "idol culture" when utaites have been around since late 2000s - early 2010s doing exactly the same content as vtubers do now (including streaming games/recording letsplay videos and having an anime character representing them online)
The only difference is that vtubers have models now and start out as streamers most of the time while utaites used to pick streaming as a casual, noncommittal activity they'd do from time to time to have fun or when they were bored lol
In my opinion it's both idol culture (especially net idols) and utaite similarly! The topic in this video focused on idol culture mostly because chat was asking questions about idol culture and how it impacted vtubing, so the other stuff wasn't mentioned much.
7:22 I think it slowly built up, first with Kizuna Ai swearing, then Korone's cute English, Kiryu Coco, and now Holo EN. Clippers played a huge role as well
There's a not-completely unreasonable belief that a lot of early EN VTuber popularity came from Japanese girls enthusiastically saying the N word because of that one scene in GTA 5, or ProjektMelody doing...what she does on the Moon.
@@forklauncher Could be both, tbf
@@forklauncher Melody was a big impetus in the West and with her and Gunrun creating Vshojo, Zentreya, Nyanners and other saw a major boom, but then came along Numi, ShyLilly and so many more and they did what they could to build a huge audience as Numi, Bao, have both been on youTube for years (Numi told Cotton she's been doing UA-cam for about 10 years (started as a teen))
The way Geega can talk super fast and I an ESL can still perfectly understand is amazing
She doesn't slur her speech at all, her words are very clear and intentional. I think she talked about why she did that once, might have been related to the OCD? Dunno.
@@YukonHexsun This basically only happens when people specifically study and train themselves to have perfect enunciation. It's very common among people that have ever aspired to be voice actors -- in fact, so much so that, without knowing anything else about Geega, I'd bet money that she had aspirations in that direction at one point, based solely on her preternaturally perfect enunciation. It takes years of constantly mindful practice to do that and nobody invests that effort unless there's the possibility of some payoff at the end of the rainbow.
ESL either are unintelligible glibberish goblin (like I am) or have the clearest pronunciation, better than natives.
I find East Asian and Southeast Asian who are super fluent in English are the best to hear stuff from.
@@StochasticUniverse Yeah, that could very easily be the case, although voice actors aren't the only ones who train that specific skill, plenty of traditional actors do too (especially method actors), but also even completely different professions where they are required to have really good enunciation, like teachers, broadcasters, reporters and so on.
Having said that, it's less common for other professions than it is for VAs (for obvious reason) and considering the context, chances are that as you said she was interested in being a VA at some point in her life.
I really like the way Geega talks. For a while I couldn't pinpoint exactly why. It's not necessarily her voice but the way she speaks & I think it's because of what y'all have said here.
I agree that the boom is over. Vtubers used to be something novel, even mesmerising whenever you found the very good models, but that novelty passed away. Vtubers now are just another category of streaming content, the same way amourant is different from asmongold: they do the same (streaming) but they do totally different things.
Except asmon is bald, amourant is literal cancer and Vtubing is just vtubing unless its nijisanji and you can just decide on what you think about them yourself.
@@BeyondDaX L comment tbh. What the heck were you thinking when you wrote that? I almost didn't found the meaning
@@BeyondDaX Every community has bag eggs. Vtubers ain't any different.
@@xiiir838 I said the truth. I can understand if you need more clarification due to the complexity on what I just said.
@@BeyondDaX yes, English is my third language so I didn't quite grasped the meaning of your comment
Always love Geega's topic breakdowns... almost as good as her podcasts.
Really informational stream on the basics, happy it came across my recommended - may play a bit on stream :)
Hi, LegallyMinded!
Hi Andrew! 😄
I don't know if I'm happy or sad that the Vtuber bubble is over. On the one hand I am sad because it means its not exploding anymore. On the other it means its reached mainstream success and its not considered weird anymore. Everyone knows what they are and its a totally normal thing. Lots of people will watch a vtuber not because they are a vtuber but purely based off of the fact that they are a great streamer.
Also I live for Geega's voice. I could listen to her read a phone book and I can't put my finger on why.
Growing up and being an otaku was interesting, because it was so hated but the communities were tight knit. So I don't know if I should feel bad if I have children and they're into otaku stuff because on one hand they won't get bullied and insulted as much but they also missed the small community vibes
Lmao its still definitely considered weird by anyone who doesnt engage much with internet culture.
With Hololive opening an office next month with an eye for setting up concerts and setting up merchandising partners, both companies that manufacture products as well as stores that will display the products, I am certain Vshojo, Phase and Idol will also utilize these companies or similar companies, meanwhile Hololive is also currently working on a2 manga and I think a possible Anime based on them we could actully see the next phase of the VTuber boom, which is to break past our level and reach into the anime watchers as a while and then beyond into the mainstream.
i still remember the overwhelming amount of tik toks of small streamers (usually young too) who would constantly use hooks like "WHY I SHOULD BE YOUR NEW COMFORT STREAMER". people were so bored in lockdown you'd literally just consume content and stan people to pass time
4:15 That's not entirely accurate. The music trends on the Japanese side can be linked to idol culture at times, but it's mostly because of Karaoke and Vocaloid culture.
A majority of Japanese city kids have gone to karaoke their whole lives, and will want to sing on stream too. After that, there's a very convenient pipeline towards releasing Vocaloid, and then J-pop music as covers. Then yes, mvs were good promotion material before all the YT views changes, now it's better to release them as shorts, since they don't make back the money anyway.
PNG-tubers are fine and valid.
V-tweeters on the other hand...
They're like the Tumblirinas of the vtubing industry, especially with how mentally unhinged most of them tend to be with their rants and ravings.
Yeah i dont understand hating png tubers. 2.5 and 3d Models are expensive and take a lot of work to design/rig. If you dont have the money to get a better model or if you just dont want to... Its really weird to be bashed for that.
@@kattz9051 The medium doesn't matter as much as just getting the content out there. No point in having the worlds greatest model if you don't have the experience to even use it properly.
@@Akrilloth yeah exactly. So condemning someone over how expensive their model is makes little sense to me lol
PNGtubers existed before Vtubers... MatPat did Game Theory as a PNGtuber. Think about it.
I swear the face tracking tech of vtuber models nowadays are so impressive. The way she states “vtuber boom is over” then scoffs, then the eye movement when she reminisces are just… *chef kiss* 😭
7:34 timestamp
ARKit on iPhone lets you do that. When everyone (yes EVERYONE) started before VTS, you were stuck with FaceRig which used it's own OpenCV, or you needed a special camera(eg realsense), or you did 3D with Luppet, which used ARKit through ifacialmocap. Yes 3D was doing it before 2D was, and ARkit has only been available since the iphone X, in 2017.
That said, an iPhone is a requirement to be a Vtuber if you are going to pay for an expensive model. It's like the old addage of "expensive car, cheap house". If you pay 2000 dollars for a 2D model and then just use a 90 dollar webcam, you've paid for an expensive model that you can't fully utilize.
To that end google mediapipe and nvidia broadcast (maxine) both do "good enough" and only use an input resolution of 256p. They have their own tradeoffs, with google pretty much stating that they know their model doesn't work as well on certain skin tones and face types.
It's definitely impressive, and the amount of work that goes into making the tracking as natural is also quite impressive (especially for Live2D). I won't mention the price tag though lmao 😅
I still believe that the controversy about Melody on "the other streaming platform" was the orginal boom for VTubers in the west
Yep, people whining about Mel were how I found out vtubers existed. Looked her up to see what all the squawking was about and fell down the rabbit hole because I thought the tech was really cool.
Geega really out here making Vtubing make more sense. As a new vtuber, this helped understand a lot
Yahtzee Croshaw was the first PNGtuber. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk
Would Max Headroom count as the first vtuber, even though he was on TV long before UA-cam?
I’d argue that the Hindu gods were the first vtubers as they used avatars to interact with people and often played roles that weren’t quite the same as their own personalities.
Edit: people also worship both and keep small statuettes of them.
Back in my day we called pngtubers rantsonas, god I’m old.
@@NeinBreaker Nah, Wizard of Oz is the first Vtuber. "Pay no mind to the man behind the curtain."
All of you are wrong. The Annoying Orange was the first Vtuber.
I plan to start streaming as a PNG, and eventually get it updated to a proper Vtuber
My reasoning is price
Sound reasoning. Good luck!
Good luck. Practice how to entertain, how to talk to people a lot, and remember: UA-cam content is CRUCIAL to at least having a chance to grow
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@@xiiir838 that's one thing, I'm not really interested in growing, I'll be just doing the streaming because I don't want to sit and be lazy.
I'll probably delegate UA-cam and Twitter to a supporter and might get a discord. I probably wouldn't have a good idea of what creates good content for UA-cam anyway
@@bastionsea2829 good luck nonetheless
I like how she's so well-versed in this topic,,
Feels like there are so many "vtubers" nowadays that aren't aware of its roots.
vtuber is just more expensive streamer nowday
It helps that she was a part of that really early indie community that also included some of the most popular vtubers you see in the industry. If you were around that time, you would already know some of them as they became corpos.
geega for sure have top 5 vtuber voices, i can listen to her yap 24/7
I think the important part about the 'PNG-tubers' would be that there is a massive commitment difference between the two. A full Vtuber model is hard, and, from what I've heard, expensive, and needs a lot of software, and you either need to know how to do every single thing yourself, or pay someone else, and either way, that's a lot of work down the drain if you 'graduate' as a vtuber.
PNG, meanwhile, is just a picture. If you haven't gotten a full model yet, then you can start with just a PNG of what you want your model to be, and if it works out, you upgrade it eventually. You can also 'model swap' a lot more often than a full model, because it's pretty easy to just draw a PNG real quick.
There are probably other pros and cons, too, but these are just what I can think of off the top of my head.
the live 2D models can be realy expensiv, if its have to look good. For anyone who want so start streaming/vtubing, is finacily wiser to start of with a png-model, i heard that many times already from other already big vtubers aswell, many started of as png-tuber.
While a live2D model maybe more visually appealing, pngs can have there own charm aswell. At the end, it comes down to what you are doing with it.
The good news is that getting a model together is WAY easier than it used to be. Want to go 3D? Vroid's actually a solid base to work with. Need something 2D? There's off-the-shelf rigs and art available for cheap/free if you just want to get your feet wet and see if you like it.
Still: Agreed. PNG is king for starters for a reason. Even then: PNGTuber Plus models are becoming more of a thing for artistic reasons, if limited animation and stylization is your aesthetic. Good stuff, all around.
@@IDTen_T Oh yah, i mean there is a entire marked now with 1000s of artists providing everything your heart can wish for, from cheaper to more expensiv models and rigs.
There's also the hardware factor.
Live2D models demands a lot more of your computer due to tracking, deformers, texture resolution, etc. There's the Phone tracking alternative, but then you need a good phone (processing power and battery) with a good camera.
Meanwhile, a PNG demands a lot less of your machine (even if you use a more elaborate PNG) which is good for aspiring "VTubers" that are not able to afford a computer powerful enough to handle a full model, the streaming software and a game or whatever they plan to do.
As an old person, who is just learning about Vtubers at the end of last year (learning about Neurosama was the gateway to this world, after UA-cam started recommending Vtubers based off of that), this was pretty helpful. There needs to be a vtuber lexicon for us out of touch people to understand :D
This has been your daily lesson by Geega.
Additional terms:
*Hako* : literally means box. Refers to a self-contained group of VTubers (or idols). So Hololive and VShojo would be a "Hako".
*Hako-oshi* : Supports everyone from a certain group. One can call themselves a Hako-oshi if they have general support for a specific group.
*DD* : Shorten from "Daredemo Daisuki" meaning "loves whomever". An even more broad support than Hako-oshi and loves/supports everyone. It took a more joking direction from what I know, but that might just from the Taiwanese circle, I am not as sure for Japanese circle.
IIRC those terms are all originated from Japanese idol culture.
I hate how accurate that korone example was to how I font into vtubers
Coco(Kson) was when it started to boom in EN. She was a huge front runner to connect us to the whole trend. There were a lot of Vtubers which were small scale in EN but they were incredibly rare and still had majority OCE/Asian fan base.
Not sure the Vtuber boom is totally over. I believe there is still a place for them to boom in Europe or some European countries. Many of my friends had no idea whatsoever that Vtubers exist and all of them are gamers and/or anime and manga fans who often knew streamers but when I asked them about Vtubers they had no clue. Any other EU Vtuber fans experiencing this?
I like this video and the details Geega goes into.
I'm not even doing the 3D Vtuber thing because I think it'll give me a boost or anything. I'm just having fun with it. I would make videos and goof around regardless of 3D model, Live2D, or using the good old PNG chibi. It's just about doing what you enjoy rather than what you think is the hip and happenin'.
>thought about vtubing for years
>feel like I thought about it for too long and now it's too late
damn.
Just start. There is bound to be atleast some people out there that would enjoy it. I think Geega's comment about it being too late is misleading.
Never in this clip did GEEGA say it’s too late to be a vtuber, so if that still interests you then you should give it an honest try at least. She was just saying the novelty being a vtuber wore off, so it’s harder to gain a following just by being a vtuber.
The only reason I started out as a rigged model vs a PNG was because I was curious how long the trial was on Live 2d. 45 Days was plenty lol.
I was wondering about those words! Thanks Geega!
Great video as usual, I love your content! You're SUPER nice, and explain everything so well! A bit hard to follow with how fast you talk sometimes lol.
I started Vtubing & streaming about 4 weeks back, honestly I don't know if I'm any good. I've got maybe 4 people that gone around to watch regularly as of lately. But I feel like I'm just lacking in all departments of entertainment.
Didn't know I was getting a history lesson of vtubing today but I'm all for it. Super interesting as someone fairly new
how am I this far into the vtuber rabbit hole and im now just learning what these terms me SMH
I never really watch her streams, but whenever i see a clip of her explaining stuff im always all for it :D
1:19 interestingly enough, the oshi mari kinda convergent evolution-ed/adapt itself on twitter in a weird but understandable way! I remember seeing emojis get tied to content creators back in 2020, and being like "huh that's cute but what?" Thinking about it now, I would guess it was adapted from kpop, since kpop became so widespread, and ofc, kpop and jpop share so many similarities (and differences) due to general idol culture! Also, in 2020 (during the amongus time) was when syk became synonymous with the sprout so the community kept it bc it was so cute :)
Why do vtubers have elaborate backgrounds but most immediately drop character? Are there any vtubers who stay mostly - if not entirely - in character/
they probably drop character because
1 agencies are more focused on hiring people who are entertrainers than good actors
2 it must be difficult for non-actors to stay on a character for like, 2-4 consecutive hours, three days a week, on live, and somebody would probably complain that they're being "too fake" lol
the lore stuff is to strenghten their design and branding, as it's easier for any character designer to make something with a concept AND a backstory
like, you could say your concept is "an alien that likes collecting dolls", but in your lore you can elaborate that the alien fell in japan on march, the time where the hina doll festival happens, and became enamored with the look of the dolls, and then you may even incorporate a kimono like the ones that the dolls have in the design, or have the dolls in the stream background (random example i just invented here, idk if it would work for a vtuber but it would certainly be memorable if someone pulled it off)
Keeping character is good and important for art prompts, merch, and pre-recorded content. For live content, viewers tend to gravitate more toward people that keep things chill and are a bit less characterized, as it's more relatable. People usually keep those two things compartmentalized so followers on different platforms have a different experience.
@@GEEGA Hi Geega, I appreciate the answer. That does clear things up.
I suppose I have a follow up question or two if you don't mind.
1. Is there a perfect ratio?
2. Are there any vtubers who do stay mostly in character? I am almost positive I can think of only a handful. Maybe one. Would team Fuwamoco count?
"people in the west dont say kamioshi" i mean people in jp dont either the word is saioshi lol
I think I have heard the word "kamioshi" from non Japanese more than Japanese people recently.
Nice new outtake
Channeling the PirateSoftware!
Thank you for the culture explanation. I was using the term but really did not know all the sub terms and culture reasoning
7:11 Never have I been so offended by something I one hundred percent agree with...
Man, i remember the days when you keep track of every new Vtuber
id define both png tubers and vtubers as both being digital puppets. one is controlled with tracking, one is controlled with voice activation. with a third type of digital puppets being those found in gtarp, the controller digital puppets.
this is how png tubers, vtubers, and gtarp characters are all related.
I didn't know anything about this stuff until I started watching Vshojo. Now, I know more slang Japanese than I do Dutch slang (where I live, I'm from the US). Henya is my kamioshi. All of the rest of Vshojo are my oshis. I keep it uncomplicated.
But, man...there are a LOT of tubers. Talking about the glut of vtubers. I didn't really watch the Japanese stuff, and I was stunned at a picture of all of the Vtubers who are in Ninisanji. Good grief.
As a hako oshi, I support this lesson 👍
Vtubing us pretty normal now. I was always expecting it to normalize. I think the future of people's online presence is to have some sort of avatar or character they use online, and vtubers are so far the most dedicated thing like that. I may even be a png tuber at some point. I don't like when people try to claim that you can't try to do things differently though and try to define something as what they think it is. You can be a vtuber and essentially make any content online. Because being a vtuber is still pretty much the same thing as being a regular streamer anyways.
as a long time vtuber enjoyer, this was a good explanation, no waffle
I personally consider png-tubers to be a premonition to the full-vtuber model; a level 1 form if you will
@0:05 An oschi is something big. "Oh, what an oschi that was!"
@4:35 Yes, but having a "Richard" puts you already into a niche given how oestrogen laden the business is. That doesn't mean much if you suck, though. I could imagine being the Bo Burnham of vtubing puts you in a good position. Being a voice actor, singer and comedian is a good combination, I assume, since you cannot rely on being cute and charming as someone with a "Richard". Appealing to girl groupies is kinda appealing to a niche audience of a niche audience and doesn't sound a recipe to success.🤔
Showing this to normies that slam vtubers for no reason without understanding them
Geega always reminds me of my english teacher in highschool back in 1996.
V- and pngtuber is definetively different. I know two Letsplayers who are pretty old and dont use facecams. One now has a vtuber avatar which just is weird, the other has a png-tuber avatar that I like.
I thought "Oshi" would be any Vtubers that you support in a great amount & "Kamioshi" is the favourite among them all?
thanks mom love ya
For me it was Korone with the Eekum Bokum.
Actually, a vtuber is just an online entertainer who uses a virtual avatar generated with computer graphics. PNGTubers are VTubers, there isn't a distinction between the two.
Geega, the Vtuber Historian Vtuber!
As for PNG tubers, I’d watch one if they were entertaining streamers, but I don’t know any PNGs that I like watching
EDM was only missing Mcdavid. Vegas missing Stone, Stephenson and Pietrangelo. I wouldnt say this was a huge win looking at what each roster had.
Informative for sure.
Well, I know the boom is over when people like Kenji becomes popular among Vtubers, when he's completely against Vtuber culture, keeps getting into fights with the real Vtuber community and his community doesn't even know who paved the way of the Vtubers nowadays, claiming the Vtuber community would be better without them.
Worst of all is that Kenji got a lot of support from the stablished western Vtuber community, so please, can anyone explain to me what the community turned into?
The more you know!
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I never really engaged with people who strictly a western vtuber fan but it seems crazy to me that some fans don't know some basic things. Not talking down about them but it just shows how different the worlds are
Never seen or heard Geega before. Everything she says checks out. Never a fan of heterochromia trope, but she has a cute voice.
ええ 推しはグループなの？
Vtweeters. 🤣
1:22 OMG it's literally a cutie mark!!! 😂 That is SO fucking dope. :D
What's Pippa's? :D
Pippa's is 🔌 🐰
@@aramondehasashi3324 Why a plug? 🤔
@@ZachX888 To be honest i don't know
Is the thing about oshi being to push true? Push is 押し, being a fan of is 推し.
Copied from a j-e dictionary
to recommend, to endorse (e.g. a candidate), to nominate, to support, to back
Which to be fair, I had the same mistaken idea as geega. The impression I've gotten is that words that sound the same do tend to have tangentially similar meanings, so I wouldn't say it's an egregious mistake to make.
@@gameguru8 I just googled it and I found an English definition of oshi as follows:
oshi 【 押し 】押 Kanji Details
(n) push; pressure; authority; audacity
君は押しが足りない。
You don't have enough push.
Coupled with the fact that I've heard other people give this definition before, I don't think that Geega was wrong. It also makes logical sense that the word's meaning would evolve from pushing in the sense of "applying pressure" to pushing in the sense of "helping to spread, supporting" (like how drug dealers are sometimes called drug pushers, haha).
TBF even well rigged VTuber models are just fancier PNGs ;)
5:40 Bro I am a native english speaker and I'm struggling to keep up. It's just like that scene in Young Justice when Flash and Impulse are talking and KF can't keep up. LITERALLY the same. :o
EDIT: LMAO that end quote! xD I fucking feel that LMAO. No hate, just saying. xD
Speaking as someone from the Northeast, she sounds not abnormal to me. Lots of people talk fast; she at least has great elocution while she's doing it.
+1 for normal new englander
The boom is over in the west maybe, but Japan still treat their vtubers like celebrities, even for those who have fallen way off.
don't mean any sort of disrespect or anything, but just observing Vtubing from afar, it's kinda wild how little the 'Vtubing community' knows about idol culture (generally speaking), despite Vtuber culture being a near-mirror of it
don't get me wrong, they're different things and different demographics, but i always assumed that Vtuber communities were runoff from idol because they're so similar; just interesting, that's all
plus, i understand that not everyone has been immersed head to toe in japanese music/the jp music industry for over a decade. haha
Vtubers are over *crab dance*
Vtweeters shouldn't count imo. If you haven't debuted, have no plans to debut, and just make posts on twitter, you are not a vtuber. Fucking debut already
I feel like the Vtuber community has gotten itself into an echo chamber. Deluded itself into being more significant than it is.
Truth is the Vtubers are a niche within a niche. The greater portion of anime and streamer fans are barely aware that Vtubers even exist.
Vtubers have so much further to go, there’s a huge potential for a second boom when Vtubers expand beyond the anime aesthetic. I can easily see a kids show hosted by a vtubers.
Vtubers used to expedite animation. You can have a JP and EN VA just use the same model and eliminate much of the difficulty in localization because you don’t have to match mouth flaps.
I’m surprised Hoyo hasn’t rigged their 3D models for VAs to use. Imagine if Disney/pixar makes one
Depends, Vtubers weren't meant to be for kids anyway
@@Chr.Monika6469 since when? Vtuber is a presentation style….like podcast. The current collection of Vtubers, you can’t say their content is for any single age group.
Vtubers are heavily influenced by the anime aesthetic, but they aren’t bound by it. Miss Lala and pumpkinpotion are non-anime Vtubers, it’ll happen
wanna know something? Sad fact actually: weeniedesu is a bully. Yeah she already apologized, but that apology has been deleted, so frick that girl i aint getting commissions from her like NEVER. A yes dont go pestering the people involved.
VTubing is nowhere near boomed-out. Sure, you're talking about cultural appropriation from Japan to America and Europe, but that's just phase one. Now that North Americans know that they can be their Saturday morning cartoons that they grew up with, the goal now is entrepreneurship, to which companies like VStream represent the small-scale start-ups that flopped, and medium-scale companies like Rooster Teeth that got absorbed, now it's large-scale companies doing English major programming. With the present absorption of gaming engines by the giant companies, they will create the ultra-realistic looking characters inside of interactive worlds, will make 2D streaming models look like crayons on paper, but no matter how advanced the models are which represent trademarked properties, they'll be soulless without good actors, and that's where the entire virtual streamer community becomes the next generation of skilled community-driven motion capture performers. Basically, television and film ended with virtual streamers, nobody has noticed it yet. I think the switch will flip in the public conscience when 3.5D holographic projection puts characters in a diorama roughly where the coffee table sits in a living room. They'll be bulky units for sure, but so is a fish tank.
6:07 I think people forget sometimes that we're living in the golden age of deepfakes, haha. If Lucasfilms can put Carrie Fisher in a movie after she's already dead in real life, there are officially no limits anymore. Is that new corpo Vtuber not good at singing? Did she flub all her lines? No problem at all! We'll just use an AI model to make President John F. Kenedy sing the lines, instead -- on key and on time, everytime! :P
People want the real thing, AI has to be limited even in vtubing. You tech bros need to know that.
The way she talked is different. I keep trying to grabs it, then I realize… She spoke unlike most girl streamer, if I have to say, she is more like emiru. (I only know very little girl streamer though) what I mean they both talk not like most girl, but more like a man. No drama, not too much personal feeling, instead give more fact and more straightforwards.
Hasanabi is my commie oshi
He is.
Geega giving complaments to Proclein Maid. werid.
From PNGtuber to 1.5M on twitch, holy shit
"Anyone who could talk and be entertaining could be a VTuber"
You forgot the part where you need lots of money.
Not necessarily, you can start out with a free model from vroid or a cheap model from booth or etsy. You don't need to start out with a perfect million dollar model
I dunno about "lots," unless you're in a very economically weak country. There's at least one website out there specifically for finding a model on a budget (Limealicious mentioned it in a short recently), and used iPhones aren't _that_ expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if I could budget one out for a month or two's rent where I live, which isn't that expensive for tools needed to start a career; just ask a mechanic sometime.
@@OOZ662 No, cheap models don't exist (unless you're using a generic free model, in which case you might as well not even have a model), and you need a lot more tech than just an iPhone (mic, decent computer, possibly a capture card if you're wanting to stream console games, etc).
@@otaking3582Complete nonsense, some of the most popular streamers and Vtubers spent literally nothing to start. Ironmouse began with a free model. XqC doesn't use any crazy expensive graphics or anything. It's all about the strength of your personality. You can spend infinite money on a model, if you're not interesting nobody will watch.
Some streamers don't appear as a model or use face cam at all like Vinny Vinesauce and are popular. Personality comes before everything.
@@OrbObserver Even Iron Mouse did start with a free model (which she didn't), she started when there were far less English-speaking VTubers and was therefore able to standout. It doesn't matter how good your personality is if you don't have good presentation.
Vtuber industry is going downhill from now on
Meanwhile Peko-mama debut: *180k+ concurrent viewers*
@@nakirigumi245 That just proves the point. There isn't enough food to go around, so there's going to be a famine. But not for those who already own all the food, haha.
"The rich get richer" isn't only true in the real world, you know. It applies on the internet, too.
You can say exactly the same of the streaming world.
@@StochasticUniverseI wouldn’t really say it proves that vtuber is going downhill if we are just saying the vtuber scene is consolidating. Especially with Vtubing since corporations have always been a part of the scene. Lest we forget Kizune AI’s “goal” was to appear in Ads.
@thirteen8582 Vtuber industry isn't going downhill. Its just oversaturated. Ya'll should have known better.