Some of them plays he made on Christmas aswell were so good like the scramble to andrews to make that big run, the 8 second scramble toying with the defender to then throw a dot to likely in the end zone. What Paul dont understand is that when playing the ravens teams aim to keep lamar in the pocket and limit his running ability and scrmbles so ofc hes not gonna have as many 'MVP moments'. But 2nd best passer rating season oat where he could break arods record if he balls against the browns is not an MVP moment bc hes done that the whole season. U also got the jackson 5 in tampa, the 21-7 comeback vs bengals with a jump pass td. Or that pittsburgh performance last week. Lamar has played 10 playoff teams n hes 7-3. Allen has only played 6 and hes 3-3 with a blowout against baltimore. Lamar has also played 8 games against top 10 defenses and allen has only played like 3. Lets not forget allen had the worst passing game from a completion rate in history going 9/30 against Housten. Ppl gonna say allen is the most valuable player to the bills which i think he is but lamar is the most valuable player in the league based off his performances this year and that is simply because lamar is a better football player than josh allen. Simple as. Frustrating to alw see ppl not givin lamar fair ratings bruh
@@ishyamal194 Send this to Joy and Acho and Nick and Broussard and Chase and to ESPN and FS1. These clowns are being willfully blind to Lamar's accomplishments.
Both games against cincy, Tampa bay, Pittsburgh, Texans all had signature moments. Why do these people have these conversations if they aren’t even prepared or actually going to study the games/film ?
@avadimitri8003 Paul said the ravens won when only Henry had big games, which isn't true. The bills have won at least twice or more with the bills defense and their RB winning them the game while josh allen played badly. Go look up the stats, kid. If Lamar isn't having a good game, despite Henry by his side, they lose! There have been many games that Lamar had to be perfect because his defense couldn't stop a parked bus.
Notice how Pierce didn't mention that Lamar crushed Allen and the Bills in head 2 head this year.. Plus James Cook was the best player on the field when the Bills beat the Patriots..
@@Jron2121 Henry runs for 200 because they have to dedicate at least one linebacker to spy Lamar. Also, lineman have different assignments when going against a quarterback like Lamar. You can’t do certain things or take certain risks you could playing against most quarterbacks
@@HockeyDudeJames2he’s also top 5 in every passing category so whats your point? Teams don’t throw the ball 30 times in a blowout…. Unless you’re stat padding like some other QBs🥴
Not at all, as bills fan, Josh has earned all the props he's getting, however he probably won't win it, because after we beat the Jets, josh probably won't play the final game, they'll be nothing to play for 2 seed will be locked and loaded, I don't really care who wins MVP, I care about the SB, maybe he'll win SB MVP, would prefer that over regular season MVP anyway
@JovhonteFirstOfHisName nah, I really don't, Lamar has won it, a few times, and it doesn't mean anything compared to what mahomes has won, I care about SBS
@@teddyjackson1902 it’s that’s way because the ravens defense has been horrible when Henry not running a lot shorter the offense is on the field they have to let him run the ball
@@luddman77this is actually Henry’s best season in terms of efficiency. Yea he’s had more yards but significantly less ypc. So yes this is his best season and he hasn’t had to take nearly as many hits
Paul dont watch football. Lamar is a human highlight reel every game! He does it so much that it seems normal to the average eye. He's Superman every game. Perfect passer ratings, mutiple 5 passing TD games, extending plays that no other QB can do... Baltimore had one of the worst pass defenses this year, as well as Tucker kicking them out of games he first half this year in all the losses. The Ravens never got blown out in any of their loses. Credit to Allen.... he's been playing out of his mind, too... but he did have a 9-30 game. Both deserve all the credit they're getting. I give the nod to Lamar. He's the difference maker. He's breaking nfl records every season. Not bad for a person doubted from jump street. Ravens were the top running team in the NFL without Henry in previous years. Don't get me wrong, Henry 🤴 definitely has strengthened 💪🏾the running game and takes pressure off of Lamar. Credit to both QB's.
Let me say first, I'm a Big Time Lamar Jackson fan, HOWEVER he can't go out as THE ONLY 2 TIME MVP of the league to NEVER WIN THE SUPER BOWL!! Another MVP doesn't help his Legacy. He must remove this BLIMISH/STAIN from his legacy. Lamar don't let Patrick Mahomes beat you!!! AGAIN!!!!!!!
@@danielthomas-x1jyour wrong lamar winning a third mvp mean alot actually. Lamar winning a third mvp solidifies his Hall of fame case without a super bowl. If lamar wins a third mvp he joins Manning Rodgers Jim brown farve johnny Unitas Steve Young Joe Montana and Kurt Warner as the only players in nfl history to win three. And if he win 4 he would join Manny and Rodgers as the only players with three or 4 mvp. If he wins a third and fourth mvp he would be a forsure 1st ballot Hall of famer. And if or when he wins a superbowl and superbowl mvp the conversation will be is lamar a top 10 or top 5 qb in nfl history and he gonna do this in a time period of before he turns 30 he's only 27 turns 28 January 7th. its crazy how people say a third mvp mean nothing when it mean a alot for his legacy
@Tee-2025 I agree with most of what you said but lamar having 2 mvps and having the single season qb rushing record and all time record he's already in the hall of fame of he retired right now and Kurt Warner is a two time winner not 3
Remember when lamar stiff armed Hubbard and threw a fadeaway td? Was that not a moment? The recency bias is crazy. Oh and I don't want to hear nothing about Allens supporting cast because Lamar has been playing with subpar talent for years and it was never seen as a plus. This is the 1st year he got real weapons and guess what? He developed all of them beside Henry. A Henry who was seen as a declining back until he came to bmore and is having his 2nd best season ever. Lets also not forget that Lamar had one of worst defenses in the NFL up until their bye. And lastly show me a lost this yr that didn't include Tucker missing kicks that would've given them the exact pts needed to tie or win.
What's funny is they keep saying josh had this amazing year ...which he did ...I'm a bills fan ...but if he had an amazing super year ...why is lamars stats still so much better.....Josh is fire ....no doubt ...but forcing him to have a mvp is lame ...Lamar Jackson is just better right now ....also the bills have tons of weapons....the media just doesn't know them , or tries to downplay them , in fact remember last year the bills beat the cowboys prettybad and josh had 90 yards passing ....why ? Bc james cook carried the bills....james does that alot btw....1 more thing lamar could literally have only 1 int this year and 40 tds.....and Josh gets most of his rushing tds at the 3 or closer (7 of em) ....I'm a bills fan and I can admit ....josh didn't win it this year and that's fine ....there is always next year , it feels so much like the media just needs to have a white guy as the face of the league even if others play better.....Lamar has had no big endorsements as a 2x mvp and josh is always pre-season favorite pushed to have a mvp trophy....be honest...Josh is only in this conversation bc he's white and that amounts for so much more in the nfl
I was literally thinking this to myself lol like it’s literally no plausible reason Josh to be the favorite over Lamar. Lamar having one of the best passing seasons ever
All I heard all off season... Was... Ravens won't be the same team, they lost every defense coach. Multiple defensive players, 3 of their 5 starting offensive line. But all I hear bow is Josh is doing more with less.. Oh Derrick henry is washed... Old etc. Know why henry is killing it? Go watch the tape and see how many STAR defensive ends run straight at Lamar on the option runs. Garret... Watt... Will Anderson Jr. Go watch the tape. Let's not get it twisted, Lamar makes henry better. 3 months ago the narrative was.. (Lamar and the ravens lost way too much) let's not get too twisted
@@MrKlw19 Wait a minute. He's always had rb's or better yet a running game. Ravens are getting about the same amount of yards that they usually get. In fact Gus and Dobbins had as good or better YPC as Henry. The difference is Henry is taking up the bulk of those yards with more carries. That's why this narrative of Henry carrying Lamar is total BS.
Does the Bills have a better roster than the Ravens when Lamar won his first MVP? Willie Snead would not start on this Bills team, so cut it out with the nonsense.
@@dragonballvault I'd include the x2 10 point deficit comebacks against the bengals. Signature moment - Stiff arms hubbard after a fumble and throws a DOT to likely. The 10 point deficit comeback against the broncos too. Lamars had to many key moments this year and I'll chuck 35-10 in there too... talking with allen stans they make it sound like that game never existed
If Jackson ends the season with a passer rating 121.6 and not win the MVP he will be the first QB to be 120+ to not be the MVP. It will be a eye opening shame.
I don't understand how the media says Josh Allen should be MVP when he has less than a 70 QB Rating 3 times, he went 9/30 and still won. That looks like his team bailing him out. When Lamar has a bad game they loose make it make sense.
People like Joy and Paul Pierce are being paid to push this Josh Allen narrative. You can clearly tell the NFL wants Josh Allen to win the MVP and they’re making these tv analysts push the Josh Allen Narrative. It’s disgusting
The reason mainstream media is dying and youtubers and podcasters are rising.. these mainstream people be fabricated and synthetic with agendas and narratives.. podcasters are more authentic
Lamar can set the All time QB Rushing record AND the Passer rating record in the same season. the best dual threat QB of all time. Also LAMAR SMOKED JOSH ALLEN HEAD TO HEAD. Josh was 3-0 and Lamar was 1-2 and Lamar beat him by 25 and scored 3 times and Josh didn't score at all.
The Ravens don't win unless Lamar has a passer rating of 114 or higher. So he has to be perfect for them to win. I like Josh but to say Lamar doesn't have signature moments this season is wild .
@@Tee-2025 no there not. 😂 My point his Derrick Henry is the catalyst for the team not Lamar. The ravens are blowing teams out when they fed him hand the ball off. 😂 if you don’t know than hey😂🤷🏿♂️
@@luddman77 so what your saying is the Bill's will be the same without James cooks 13 td ?and the reason henry is having the year he's having is because of the attention lamar takes from the defense. Henry has put these types of numbers before with titans and they won nothing beside a 1st round exit. Lamar has won 2 mvp without Henry and without a dominate runningback and number 1 wr. The funny thing is lamar doing this with his wr Corp being top 15 in drops this year and he still has 39 td 4000 yards and a qbr of 121.0
signature moment of the year? Lamar fumbles a low snap versus the Bengals, picks it up, drifts right, stiff arms a defender, twice, and makes an off balance strike to the endzone for a TD as he's being pushed out of bounds. signature moment from the texans game. Lamar drift right out of the pocket, looking for an endzone target, and the spy on him run up to tackle him, but because Lamar could run right by him for a TD, the defender is stuck between rushing Lamar to stop the pass and defending against the run. Lamar literally holds him off this way for 4 seconds until a target gets open and he throws a TD pass. nobody else would have had the defender on his heels like that. Lamar does stuff like that every game. Allen doesn't. not saying Allen- or Goff- shouldn't be MVP, but if you're going by signature moments, Lamar wins.
Lamar is 0-3 when having under a 100 rating Josh is 4-2 when throwing under a 100 rating. I don’t know where narratives come from that Lamar’s team is so much better when Josh’s team constantly carry him when he plays bad. Another narrative I see is the bills are playing better than expected and ravens are playing worst than expected. Well tell me who didn’t have the bengals winning the division before the season starts and ravens being a wild card?? So if they won the division they would be outperforming expectations right? Then the narrative no one expected Josh Allen to be good this year losing diggs etc… I’m sorry if you go look at the preseason odds for mvp Josh Allen was SECOND at +800 when Lamar was FIFTH at +2000. So please tell me again who is playing above preseason expectations??
stop it Paul Pierce i think you got CTE from playing basketball with your takes. if your take is just beating NFL playoff teams then it should be Mahomes but he doesnt have the numbers and the defense were winning the games for him. Just stop it!!!
Paul Pierce say signature moments. What classify as signature moments. Does 9-30 131. Paul Pierce Pierce had the big Ticket. So he is one to talk. So does that mean that he wouldn't have a Championship without Garnett?
Lamar Jackson Game by Game - Passer Ratings Vs Chiefs 90.8 (Playoff) Vs Raiders 81.4 Vs Cowboys 139.4 Vs Bills 135.4 (Playoff) Vs Bengals 119.9 (In Hunt) Vs Commanders 114.7 (Playoff) Vs Buccaneers 158.1 (Playoff) Vs Browns 101.8 Vs Broncos 158.3 (Playoff) Va Bengals 141.4 (In Hunt) Vs Steelers 66.1 (Playoff) Vs Chargers 126.5 (Playoff) Vs Eagles 101.3 (Playoff) Vs Giants 154.6 Vs Steelers 115.4 (Playoff) Vs Texans 143.9 (Playoff)
Vs 12 Playoff Contending Teams 122.65 Vs 4 Non-Contenders Teams 119.3 Josh Allen Game by Game - Passer Ratings Vs Cardinals 137.7 Vs Dolphins 107.1 Vs Jaguars 142.1 Vs Ravens 73.9 Playoff Vs Texans 56.4 Playoff Vs Jets 127,9 Vs Titans 116.1 Vs Seahawks 102.9 In Hunt Vs Dolphins 95.6 In Hunt Vs Colts 60.6 In Hunt Vs Chiefs 83.5 Playoff Vs 49ers 141.3 Vs Rams 117.2 Playoff Vs Lions 122.4 Playoff VS Patriots 67.1 Vs 8 Playoff Contending Teams 89.1 Vs 7 Non-Contenders Teams 119.9
Paul talking about signature moments but he forgot Lamar beat Josh Allen. Lamar statistics numbers speaks for themselves and numbers don’t lie. Ravens defense was terrible for the last 9 games but Lamar still helped the team to win games.
Lamar has 2 5 TD games this year and 3 games where he has the same or more TDs than incompletions. Stop this narrative that he doesn’t have anything equivalent to Allen’s 6 TD game.
Joy Taylor is MVP! She has been MVP on Undisputed with Skip and Shannon, The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Speak with Acho and McCoy. Now this version of Speak with Keyshawn,Paul, and Michael Irvin.....Joy Taylor is definitely MVP!
Paul pierce is slow. Ight everyone looks that the playoff picture. The ravens beat 5 of them teams and beat them all easily. Paul pierce should NEVER talk football.
If Paul saying that Josh way ahead of Lamar in the MPV conversation, bro you shouldn't be on TV, talking about Josh cutting his own ball, bro that was a deflected ball, that was supposed to be an interception. Josh is having great season no doubt, but Lamar is having a better season.
@@luddman77Lamar had the 22nd ranked scoring Defense going into last week The Bills were 12th Tucker has single handedly cost the Ravens games too Lamar has better skills players but people downplay what the Bills have and Josh has superior pass protection
@ Josh might have superior protection but the bills aren’t losing to the raiders & the browns. However, the bills will lose to better teams like the ravens
@@luddman77 when your defense makes Winston and Minshew look like Hall of Famers, and your kicker is missing kicks, you can lose to anyone I don't think the Texans are very good and Josh was terrible vs them
Lamar has 2nd highest passer rating in NFL history He broke the NFL QB rushing record He leads in passer rating & QBR Leads in total TDs - Total Yards - Air yards/attempt Top 5 in Pass yards - Top 10 in Completion % (while team is top 5 in drop%) Top 20 (#19) in rush yards They are not having comparable seasons. Lamar beat every AFC playoff team this year except KC - Josh did not have that gauntlet of a schedule. - He beat Josh head up and the reality was Josh was playing the worse pass defense at the time. - Lamar does not have a 30% completion game - He never has put up only 10pts - He was never saved by a defensive TD against arguably the worst team in the league (Its one thing if those were just one bad game, but no those are all different games) - He didnt throw under 60% and under 200 for 1/3 the season with 3 games under 150 Watch the tape - check the stats. In either case Lamar's lows this year are not even CLOSE to Josh lows or as frequent. Are we confident they'll beat the Jets? They just struggled against NE and almost lost to the Jets last time.
AFC East is a Cupcake Division, doesn't take much to win this division. I usually agree with Joys takes, but Allen never passed Lamar this year, the media started that narrative about three weeks ago, I guess she fell in line....
Lamar has way more mvp moments than Josh , Lamar makes Henry better and vice versa . It’s been plenty of games Henry is slowed down and Lamar put the team on his back Lamar stats are better , play tougher comp . Oh record ? There’s been 3 times a 5 lost qb won mvp . Paul pierce is making this show terrible with the lack of knowledge he has on football dude us super cringe
I don't care if you choose to look at stats, which Lamar leads all QB's in nearly every stat or look at records broken, which Lamar just got another or if you're a "It's what he does on the field" kind of guy, Lamar has run away with this thing this year.
Everyone forget lamar single handly beat the bills 35-10? Then josh allen loses to the texans and went 9/31 then had a horrible game against the 3-11 PATRIOTS 16/29 158 1 TD 1 INT 30 RUSHING YARDS. ALSO HASNT BEATEN ANYONE OVER .500 EXCEPT 3 TEAMS HES BEATEN NOBODY WHO HAS A WINNING RECORD EXCEPT 3 TEAMS AND IT WAS HOUSTON OR BAL
Bro so you going to make the excuse that the Ravens lost to the browns because they were a divisional rival but you want to sit here and torch the bills for struggling to win against the Patriots who are divisional?
Everytime a QB has had a 120+ passer rating, they have been MVP. Lamar doesnt care about this award he would rather have a superbowl but i think he will probably win it.
Lamar leads in EVERY passing category...yards...completion percentage...Touchdowns...Overall tds...Qb QBR...tHE ONLY CATEGORY jOSH LEADS OVER lAMAR IS RUSHING tds...lAMAR HAS kING hENRY AND DOESN'T NEED TO RUSH THE BALL ANYMORE. Lamar is MVP3
So in a game where he throws the ball 15 times and Henry has 27 rushes for over 150 the media comes out with the talking point that Lamar is the MVP ??? Lamar is balling no doubt, but he can’t be the mvp when his team is better when they take the ball out of his hands and hand it to their real MVP Henry.
Lamar have the stats already but when you watch that game on Christmas you can see how superior of a player Lamar is he dominated the Texans. He ran around like a game of Madden then threw a dime to Mark Andrews.
The team wasn't better and the ball could never be taken out of his hands!!! He made plays only he could make which effected the game!! If that was the case Henry would've had the Titans perennial playoff contenders!
LAMAR JACKSON#8 LEADS THE NFL IN TOTAL YARDS .. TOTAL TDS .. HAS A 39:4 TD:INT RATIO .. WITH THE 2ND HIGHEST PASSER RATING IN LEAGUE HISTORY(121.6) .. HE SHOULD BE THE 2024 NFL MVP ..
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Why is Paul pierce even on this show 😂
He's a joke.
Same reason Key is on the show.
Bro really compared Josh Allen to Michael Jordan 😭
@@SGriTa913 and what is that ? Key played football Paul need to stick to his sport 😂, his takes are terrible at least try to make some sense
@@joeyh9116and what are you?
Paul forgot that stiff arm Lamar did against the bengals DE while throwing a td
Some of them plays he made on Christmas aswell were so good like the scramble to andrews to make that big run, the 8 second scramble toying with the defender to then throw a dot to likely in the end zone. What Paul dont understand is that when playing the ravens teams aim to keep lamar in the pocket and limit his running ability and scrmbles so ofc hes not gonna have as many 'MVP moments'. But 2nd best passer rating season oat where he could break arods record if he balls against the browns is not an MVP moment bc hes done that the whole season. U also got the jackson 5 in tampa, the 21-7 comeback vs bengals with a jump pass td. Or that pittsburgh performance last week. Lamar has played 10 playoff teams n hes 7-3. Allen has only played 6 and hes 3-3 with a blowout against baltimore. Lamar has also played 8 games against top 10 defenses and allen has only played like 3. Lets not forget allen had the worst passing game from a completion rate in history going 9/30 against Housten. Ppl gonna say allen is the most valuable player to the bills which i think he is but lamar is the most valuable player in the league based off his performances this year and that is simply because lamar is a better football player than josh allen. Simple as. Frustrating to alw see ppl not givin lamar fair ratings bruh
@@ishyamal194 Send this to Joy and Acho and Nick and Broussard and Chase and to ESPN and FS1. These clowns are being willfully blind to Lamar's accomplishments.
After fumbling the snap. Pierce needs to stay in his basketball lane.
@@williejohnson5172they know the truth. No players highlights can compare to Jackson's
Both games against cincy, Tampa bay, Pittsburgh, Texans all had signature moments.
Why do these people have these conversations if they aren’t even prepared or actually going to study the games/film ?
Paul… sounds SOOOOO STUPID… speaking on Football
Just because you don't agree doesn't mean its stupid.
Facts
@@avadimitri8003nah he sound stupid
@avadimitri8003 Paul said the ravens won when only Henry had big games, which isn't true. The bills have won at least twice or more with the bills defense and their RB winning them the game while josh allen played badly. Go look up the stats, kid. If Lamar isn't having a good game, despite Henry by his side, they lose! There have been many games that Lamar had to be perfect because his defense couldn't stop a parked bus.
I absolutely agree, scripted by Paul, can't even stand on that nonsense!!!!💯💯
Notice how Pierce didn't mention that Lamar crushed Allen and the Bills in head 2 head this year.. Plus James Cook was the best player on the field when the Bills beat the Patriots..
Henry ran for 200 😂
Notice how they didnt correct Paul!
@@mittensmcghee4916 because the NFL hates the Ravens
The Bills are fugazi without #17.
@@Jron2121 Henry runs for 200 because they have to dedicate at least one linebacker to spy Lamar. Also, lineman have different assignments when going against a quarterback like Lamar. You can’t do certain things or take certain risks you could playing against most quarterbacks
Josh Allen had 1 TD and 1 interceptions for 240 against the Chiefs. You'd swear he had 5 TDs and 450 yards
You lieing
@@iReply2Dummies Lamar completed 10 passes lol.
@@HockeyDudeJames2he’s also top 5 in every passing category so whats your point? Teams don’t throw the ball 30 times in a blowout…. Unless you’re stat padding like some other QBs🥴
Lamar Jackson had 160 yards and one touchdown against the Texans and all of a sudden HE'S HISTORICAL AND HE'S THE GO
@@armanibrown5446 two tds one on the ground
Josh never should be compared to Jordan, Paul
Exactly my reaction 😅
He need the sh*t slapped out his dumb a**
EVER!!!!
😂.
Paul Priece shut up 😂
The media is glazing Josh Allen
Not at all, as bills fan, Josh has earned all the props he's getting, however he probably won't win it, because after we beat the Jets, josh probably won't play the final game, they'll be nothing to play for 2 seed will be locked and loaded, I don't really care who wins MVP, I care about the SB, maybe he'll win SB MVP, would prefer that over regular season MVP anyway
@@QYgodHe just needs a great game probably 3 TDs, that game last week was shockingly terrible for him.
@@QYgod😂😂😂😂 u care if your boy win it or not because he’s won nothing else but players of the week
@JovhonteFirstOfHisName nah, I really don't, Lamar has won it, a few times, and it doesn't mean anything compared to what mahomes has won, I care about SBS
Glazing hard for Allen
People acting like Lamar hasn’t been 2XMVP already. Henry has had an easiest year of his career because of Lamar, not the other way around.
Imagine prime Henry with Lamar omg lol😅😂 they would have 2 SuperBowl wins
Then why is this ravens team pretty mid anytime Henry runs the ball under 15 times ???
Henry had over 2000 yards. It’s been easy for the both of them. Henry had better seasons not Lamar!😂😂😂
@@teddyjackson1902 it’s that’s way because the ravens defense has been horrible when Henry not running a lot shorter the offense is on the field they have to let him run the ball
@@luddman77this is actually Henry’s best season in terms of efficiency. Yea he’s had more yards but significantly less ypc. So yes this is his best season and he hasn’t had to take nearly as many hits
Try when Lamar fumbles the ball picks it up stiff arm a man and throws a touchdown
Try it when Josh Allen win 2 MVPs like LaMar already has on his Resume 😂😂😂 💯
That was CRAAAZY
Did Paul forget Lamar whooped Josh?
The Bills are a bad team..they have no chance in the playoffs
"This year?"
Why is he talking about football.
Conveniently. Lol
Why didn’t the other two mention that Lamar beat Josh easily?
They remember
Paul dont watch football. Lamar is a human highlight reel every game! He does it so much that it seems normal to the average eye. He's Superman every game. Perfect passer ratings, mutiple 5 passing TD games, extending plays that no other QB can do... Baltimore had one of the worst pass defenses this year, as well as Tucker kicking them out of games he first half this year in all the losses. The Ravens never got blown out in any of their loses. Credit to Allen.... he's been playing out of his mind, too... but he did have a 9-30 game. Both deserve all the credit they're getting. I give the nod to Lamar. He's the difference maker. He's breaking nfl records every season. Not bad for a person doubted from jump street. Ravens were the top running team in the NFL without Henry in previous years. Don't get me wrong, Henry 🤴 definitely has strengthened 💪🏾the running game and takes pressure off of Lamar. Credit to both QB's.
Lamar’s season is historic. It needs to be rewarded with a MVP.
Let me say first, I'm a Big Time Lamar Jackson fan, HOWEVER he can't go out as THE ONLY 2 TIME MVP of the league to NEVER WIN THE SUPER BOWL!! Another MVP doesn't help his Legacy. He must remove this BLIMISH/STAIN from his legacy. Lamar don't let Patrick Mahomes beat you!!! AGAIN!!!!!!!
@@danielthomas-x1jyour wrong lamar winning a third mvp mean alot actually. Lamar winning a third mvp solidifies his Hall of fame case without a super bowl. If lamar wins a third mvp he joins Manning Rodgers Jim brown farve johnny Unitas Steve Young Joe Montana and Kurt Warner as the only players in nfl history to win three. And if he win 4 he would join Manny and Rodgers as the only players with three or 4 mvp. If he wins a third and fourth mvp he would be a forsure 1st ballot Hall of famer. And if or when he wins a superbowl and superbowl mvp the conversation will be is lamar a top 10 or top 5 qb in nfl history and he gonna do this in a time period of before he turns 30 he's only 27 turns 28 January 7th. its crazy how people say a third mvp mean nothing when it mean a alot for his legacy
LOMBARDI
@@quaminaimage895Where's Josh Allen's?
@Tee-2025 I agree with most of what you said but lamar having 2 mvps and having the single season qb rushing record and all time record he's already in the hall of fame of he retired right now and Kurt Warner is a two time winner not 3
MV3 idk how this is even a convo anymore. The man is on pace to in breaking NFL records this season in multiple categories.
Remember when lamar stiff armed Hubbard and threw a fadeaway td? Was that not a moment? The recency bias is crazy. Oh and I don't want to hear nothing about Allens supporting cast because Lamar has been playing with subpar talent for years and it was never seen as a plus. This is the 1st year he got real weapons and guess what? He developed all of them beside Henry. A Henry who was seen as a declining back until he came to bmore and is having his 2nd best season ever. Lets also not forget that Lamar had one of worst defenses in the NFL up until their bye. And lastly show me a lost this yr that didn't include Tucker missing kicks that would've given them the exact pts needed to tie or win.
Don't forget about kyle hamilton's drop int vs Browns. My grandma could have made that catch. He would make that catch 99 times out of 100😂
facts...
What's funny is they keep saying josh had this amazing year ...which he did ...I'm a bills fan ...but if he had an amazing super year ...why is lamars stats still so much better.....Josh is fire ....no doubt ...but forcing him to have a mvp is lame ...Lamar Jackson is just better right now ....also the bills have tons of weapons....the media just doesn't know them , or tries to downplay them , in fact remember last year the bills beat the cowboys prettybad and josh had 90 yards passing ....why ? Bc james cook carried the bills....james does that alot btw....1 more thing lamar could literally have only 1 int this year and 40 tds.....and Josh gets most of his rushing tds at the 3 or closer (7 of em) ....I'm a bills fan and I can admit ....josh didn't win it this year and that's fine ....there is always next year , it feels so much like the media just needs to have a white guy as the face of the league even if others play better.....Lamar has had no big endorsements as a 2x mvp and josh is always pre-season favorite pushed to have a mvp trophy....be honest...Josh is only in this conversation bc he's white and that amounts for so much more in the nfl
FACTSSSSS
@MrKlw19 it's true man...if ur white in the nfl ... the media acts like ur automatically 2x better than everyone else...no matter what they do
You just cooked bro
@gregjohnson8321 appreciate it man
I was literally thinking this to myself lol like it’s literally no plausible reason Josh to be the favorite over Lamar. Lamar having one of the best passing seasons ever
All I heard all off season... Was... Ravens won't be the same team, they lost every defense coach. Multiple defensive players, 3 of their 5 starting offensive line. But all I hear bow is Josh is doing more with less.. Oh Derrick henry is washed... Old etc. Know why henry is killing it? Go watch the tape and see how many STAR defensive ends run straight at Lamar on the option runs. Garret... Watt... Will Anderson Jr. Go watch the tape. Let's not get it twisted, Lamar makes henry better.
3 months ago the narrative was.. (Lamar and the ravens lost way too much) let's not get too twisted
On Point 💯
Facts
I wish they would put a person who watches the Ravens on these shows to refute the bull they be spitting
The greatest rushing qb of all time has the second best qbr of all time......WHAT??????
James Cook was #4 in rushing yards last year, they don't have scrubs by any means on the Bills.
Exactly, when Lamar won a MVP with Willie Snead as his #1 they never mentioned it. The narrative is crazy against Lamar
@@chuletajones6833Lamar had like 1500 yards rushing as a QB that was wild.
@@HockeyDudeJames2He finally got a running back this season in Henry
@@MrKlw19 Wait a minute. He's always had rb's or better yet a running game. Ravens are getting about the same amount of yards that they usually get. In fact Gus and Dobbins had as good or better YPC as Henry. The difference is Henry is taking up the bulk of those yards with more carries. That's why this narrative of Henry carrying Lamar is total BS.
@@HockeyDudeJames21206😅
And who beat the Bills or did we forget?
Baltimore is a better team than the bills. And DH went off
Because Henry ran 200 yards.
So Lamar didn’t throw for 2 TDs? He did nothing huh?
There not allowed to say it.
Now CJ in a sophomore slump.
Maaan get Paul tf outta here. This man on something 🤣
Paul must be high.
On Josh's D
Gotta be ! He talking crazy …….
Come on now, LJ smashed Allen when they played that's a signature moment imo 💯
I can't take Paul serious in anything.. He said that he belongs in the goat conversation...
Paul musta 4got that lamar beat the bills a$$ this year
Beat them bad too lol so bad they benched josh allen
The Ravens are a way better team. So yeah.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 no they're not
@@MRWESTASHLEY843 look at the rosters bro.
Does the Bills have a better roster than the Ravens when Lamar won his first MVP? Willie Snead would not start on this Bills team, so cut it out with the nonsense.
Signature moment?
3 games in 10 days.
2 playoff teams (steelers and Texans) and he out scored them 120-30 or something close to that.
Yeah, like having 14 touchdowns and 0 picks in 3 games. Josh Allen MVP!
Stroud is awful though
It was actually 65 to 19.
@@dragonballvault I'd include the x2 10 point deficit comebacks against the bengals. Signature moment - Stiff arms hubbard after a fumble and throws a DOT to likely. The 10 point deficit comeback against the broncos too. Lamars had to many key moments this year and I'll chuck 35-10 in there too... talking with allen stans they make it sound like that game never existed
😂😂😂😂😂 100 to 33
Anybody else noticed that Paul stopped and didn’t say anything about how Lamar beat the brakes off of the bills with Josh Allen playing
Media propaganda and agenda
People forget who won matchup between these two early in the season
Paul needs to stop modeling his points from Acho and Stephen A.
Facts
Excellent point!
These guys act like we didn't just see Josh get carried last week
The media is ignoring this fact 🤦🏾♂️
And they didn't mention Ravens losing to the Raiders and the Browns.
@@Kbai321ignoring what you dumb people see. Ain't nobody carrying Josh Allen. How about get open and create separation.
@@avadimitri8003they did u just don’t watch fully before speaking
They also think some of us don't remember who played for the Ravens when Lamar won his first MVP.
If Jackson ends the season with a passer rating 121.6 and not win the MVP he will be the first QB to be 120+ to not be the MVP. It will be a eye opening shame.
Paul Pierce got to go, periodt! Can't ask these type of questions of someone who's never played the sport. Boy bye
In 3 quarters, Lamar just dismantled the same team that made Josh Allen have the worse performance since 1994 😂
She just made the argument he (Josh )plays in a weak division, you can’t make this up lol
But the ravens lost to the raiders & the browns!!! 😂
The bills beat the teams they were suppose to beat.
@@luddman77 week 2 loss vs a week 4 head to head between Josh and Lamar. Y’all are hilarious
@@Cathartic47 Lamar had 156 passing yards DH had 199 rushing yards. Who was the reason why the bill lost. Tell ravens to beat the chiefs.
@ moving the goal post. Lamar is efficient while Allen is not. How about the Bills beat the Ravens
I don't understand how the media says Josh Allen should be MVP when he has less than a 70 QB Rating 3 times, he went 9/30 and still won. That looks like his team bailing him out. When Lamar has a bad game they loose make it make sense.
We don't care about MVP we want him to be the Superbowl MVP
No 🥷 we going to take both
@@trueson5351Lamar going to choke in the playoffs like he always do 😂😂😂
@@treybron3459☠️🪦🕊️
We want both
@@treybron3459it’s a TEAM SPORT!
I can’t with the nfl media. They out here comparing Josh Allen to Michael Jordan, wtf we have the lost the plot
People like Joy and Paul Pierce are being paid to push this Josh Allen narrative. You can clearly tell the NFL wants Josh Allen to win the MVP and they’re making these tv analysts push the Josh Allen Narrative. It’s disgusting
The reason mainstream media is dying and youtubers and podcasters are rising.. these mainstream people be fabricated and synthetic with agendas and narratives.. podcasters are more authentic
Lamar can set the All time QB Rushing record AND the Passer rating record in the same season. the best dual threat QB of all time. Also LAMAR SMOKED JOSH ALLEN HEAD TO HEAD. Josh was 3-0 and Lamar was 1-2 and Lamar beat him by 25 and scored 3 times and Josh didn't score at all.
The Ravens don't win unless Lamar has a passer rating of 114 or higher. So he has to be perfect for them to win. I like Josh but to say Lamar doesn't have signature moments this season is wild .
Guess what they’re even better when they hand the ball off to Henry!!!
@@luddman77and the bills are way better when they hand the ball off to James Cook lol what's your point you can do that with every team in the nfl
@@Tee-2025 no there not. 😂 My point his Derrick Henry is the catalyst for the team not Lamar. The ravens are blowing teams out when they fed him hand the ball off. 😂 if you don’t know than hey😂🤷🏿♂️
@@luddman77 so what your saying is the Bill's will be the same without James cooks 13 td ?and the reason henry is having the year he's having is because of the attention lamar takes from the defense. Henry has put these types of numbers before with titans and they won nothing beside a 1st round exit. Lamar has won 2 mvp without Henry and without a dominate runningback and number 1 wr. The funny thing is lamar doing this with his wr Corp being top 15 in drops this year and he still has 39 td 4000 yards and a qbr of 121.0
@@Tee-20252 mvps and a playoff loss its the same thing wat was ur point
signature moment of the year?
Lamar fumbles a low snap versus the Bengals, picks it up, drifts right, stiff arms a defender, twice, and makes an off balance strike to the endzone for a TD as he's being pushed out of bounds.
signature moment from the texans game. Lamar drift right out of the pocket, looking for an endzone target, and the spy on him run up to tackle him, but because Lamar could run right by him for a TD, the defender is stuck between rushing Lamar to stop the pass and defending against the run.
Lamar literally holds him off this way for 4 seconds until a target gets open and he throws a TD pass.
nobody else would have had the defender on his heels like that.
Lamar does stuff like that every game. Allen doesn't.
not saying Allen- or Goff- shouldn't be MVP, but if you're going by signature moments, Lamar wins.
How can a man that took the division and lead his rivals in stats plus beat him head up!
Lamar is 0-3 when having under a 100 rating
Josh is 4-2 when throwing under a 100 rating.
I don’t know where narratives come from that Lamar’s team is so much better when Josh’s team constantly carry him when he plays bad.
Another narrative I see is the bills are playing better than expected and ravens are playing worst than expected.
Well tell me who didn’t have the bengals winning the division before the season starts and ravens being a wild card?? So if they won the division they would be outperforming expectations right?
Then the narrative no one expected Josh Allen to be good this year losing diggs etc…
I’m sorry if you go look at the preseason odds for mvp Josh Allen was SECOND at +800 when Lamar was FIFTH at +2000. So please tell me again who is playing above preseason expectations??
stop it Paul Pierce i think you got CTE from playing basketball with your takes. if your take is just beating NFL playoff teams then it should be Mahomes but he doesnt have the numbers and the defense were winning the games for him. Just stop it!!!
Paul Pierce say signature moments. What classify as signature moments. Does 9-30 131. Paul Pierce Pierce had the big Ticket. So he is one to talk. So does that mean that he wouldn't have a Championship without Garnett?
Lamar Jackson Game by Game - Passer Ratings
Vs Chiefs 90.8 (Playoff)
Vs Raiders 81.4
Vs Cowboys 139.4
Vs Bills 135.4 (Playoff)
Vs Bengals 119.9 (In Hunt)
Vs Commanders 114.7 (Playoff)
Vs Buccaneers 158.1 (Playoff)
Vs Browns 101.8
Vs Broncos 158.3 (Playoff)
Va Bengals 141.4 (In Hunt)
Vs Steelers 66.1 (Playoff)
Vs Chargers 126.5 (Playoff)
Vs Eagles 101.3 (Playoff)
Vs Giants 154.6
Vs Steelers 115.4 (Playoff)
Vs Texans 143.9 (Playoff)
Vs 12 Playoff Contending Teams 122.65
Vs 4 Non-Contenders Teams 119.3
Josh Allen Game by Game - Passer Ratings
Vs Cardinals 137.7
Vs Dolphins 107.1
Vs Jaguars 142.1
Vs Ravens 73.9 Playoff
Vs Texans 56.4 Playoff
Vs Jets 127,9
Vs Titans 116.1
Vs Seahawks 102.9 In Hunt
Vs Dolphins 95.6 In Hunt
Vs Colts 60.6 In Hunt
Vs Chiefs 83.5 Playoff
Vs 49ers 141.3
Vs Rams 117.2 Playoff
Vs Lions 122.4 Playoff
VS Patriots 67.1
Vs 8 Playoff Contending Teams 89.1
Vs 7 Non-Contenders Teams 119.9
If the bills had the ravens schedule, they wouldn’t even make the playoffs
Paul talking about signature moments but he forgot Lamar beat Josh Allen. Lamar statistics numbers speaks for themselves and numbers don’t lie. Ravens defense was terrible for the last 9 games but Lamar still helped the team to win games.
Lamar has 2 5 TD games this year and 3 games where he has the same or more TDs than incompletions. Stop this narrative that he doesn’t have anything equivalent to Allen’s 6 TD game.
If Josh Allen wins MVP it’s a robbery to Lamar Jackson
Joy Taylor is MVP! She has been MVP on Undisputed with Skip and Shannon, The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Speak with Acho and McCoy. Now this version of Speak with Keyshawn,Paul, and Michael Irvin.....Joy Taylor is definitely MVP!
Bro a crazy stalker watch this guy
Joy need that OF
Lamar is the MVP and it’s not even close he is the most valuable player hands down!!!
The Bills have the 7th easiest schedule and The Ravens have the 3rd hardest schedule...the wins argument, makes no sense
Breaking M. Vick’s record alone within a 40 game gap is insane. MV3 🏆
The Ravens thumped the Bills didn't they??? Not saying it means everything but it's gotta mean something
Paul pierce is slow. Ight everyone looks that the playoff picture.
The ravens beat 5 of them teams and beat them all easily.
Paul pierce should NEVER talk football.
Does he not know Josh threw 0 touchdowns against the worst pass defense in the league
AFC East is the easier division.
It might be the worst division in the NFL if we're being honest.
If Paul saying that Josh way ahead of Lamar in the MPV conversation, bro you shouldn't be on TV, talking about Josh cutting his own ball, bro that was a deflected ball, that was supposed to be an interception. Josh is having great season no doubt, but Lamar is having a better season.
Lamar has more help.
@@luddman77Lamar had the 22nd ranked scoring Defense going into last week
The Bills were 12th
Tucker has single handedly cost the Ravens games too
Lamar has better skills players but people downplay what the Bills have and Josh has superior pass protection
@ Josh might have superior protection but the bills aren’t losing to the raiders & the browns. However, the bills will lose to better teams like the ravens
@@luddman77 when your defense makes Winston and Minshew look like Hall of Famers, and your kicker is missing kicks, you can lose to anyone
I don't think the Texans are very good and Josh was terrible vs them
@ they were good at that time of the year before the injuries. So Josh was so bad they lost by3
If Josh is who yall say he is the bills not being good this year should never had been a thought🤷🏾♂️
Josh Allen should have mvp because he was a receiver in a trick play.
What is this dude on.
Don’t forget the cheap TD pass that was a handoff to Shakir, and all of the QB sneaks. The stats in particular shouldn’t even be close.
Paul need to stop 😂😂… he belongs on tnt or something 😂😂
Keyshawn is the only one that knows what he's talking about, the other dude just throws punches to the air.
i stopped the video @2:42 somebody lmk what they said that was valuable
Bro I’m crying right now 😂 cuz I did the same thing
Same 2:46 😂😂
2:51 cause i tried to push thru it. But he is not serious . Why is even talking football
I don’t blame you
Ravens with how that defense was playing at the start of the year without Lamar would have only at 2 wons going into the bye week let’s keep it real
Lamar has 2nd highest passer rating in NFL history
He broke the NFL QB rushing record
He leads in passer rating & QBR
Leads in total TDs - Total Yards - Air yards/attempt
Top 5 in Pass yards - Top 10 in Completion % (while team is top 5 in drop%)
Top 20 (#19) in rush yards
They are not having comparable seasons. Lamar beat every AFC playoff team this year except KC - Josh did not have that gauntlet of a schedule.
- He beat Josh head up and the reality was Josh was playing the worse pass defense at the time.
- Lamar does not have a 30% completion game
- He never has put up only 10pts
- He was never saved by a defensive TD against arguably the worst team in the league
(Its one thing if those were just one bad game, but no those are all different games)
- He didnt throw under 60% and under 200 for 1/3 the season with 3 games under 150
Watch the tape - check the stats. In either case Lamar's lows this year are not even CLOSE to Josh lows or as frequent.
Are we confident they'll beat the Jets? They just struggled against NE and almost lost to the Jets last time.
4:10 I am absolutely certain now. The talk shows have been given orders NOT to mention that Lamar beat Allen 35-10.
Joy is doing by everything in her power to cover the fact that Lamar is better than Allen in probably every statistical category 😂
It’s a pity award if they give it to Josh, great season and all, however there’s no beating Lamar
James cook is the best player on the bills honestly...they go as he goes
Facts he had 100 yards on ten carries James also leads the league in Rushing Tds with 14
@@DB-cg4vs also the bills always take him out on the goal line andet josh rush it in instead
Did he really compared Allen to Jordan? Fire him now 😂😂😂
The fact that ppl even think Josh on Lamar level is wild 😂😂
I noticed something…….they never speak about how Lamar went head to head with Josh Allen and got smoked this season! Why is that??
AFC East is a Cupcake Division, doesn't take much to win this division. I usually agree with Joys takes, but Allen never passed Lamar this year, the media started that narrative about three weeks ago, I guess she fell in line....
What is Paul talking about? Lamar has had historical games this year and has beaten playoff teams constantly.
Like key said look at Josh schedule he played 6teams above .500 the rest of the schedule is teams below.500
Ummmm Josh Allen wasn’t the best player recently against the Pats because James cook went off
Im pretty sure Paul doesn't even believe what he is saying 🤦🏾♂️
Lamar has way more mvp moments than Josh , Lamar makes Henry better and vice versa . It’s been plenty of games Henry is slowed down and Lamar put the team on his back Lamar stats are better , play tougher comp . Oh record ? There’s been 3 times a 5 lost qb won mvp . Paul pierce is making this show terrible with the lack of knowledge he has on football dude us super cringe
If Josh Allen gets the MVP, it'll be a sympathy award. Knowingly, Lamar Jackson has better numbers and also broke an NFL record for QBs.
I don't care if you choose to look at stats, which Lamar leads all QB's in nearly every stat or look at records broken, which Lamar just got another or if you're a "It's what he does on the field" kind of guy, Lamar has run away with this thing this year.
Lamar has a Perfect passer rating game, and another game where he threw more TDs (5) than incompletions
Paul, stick to a basketball subject please!!
Everyone forget lamar single handly beat the bills 35-10? Then josh allen loses to the texans and went 9/31 then had a horrible game against the 3-11 PATRIOTS 16/29 158 1 TD 1 INT 30 RUSHING YARDS. ALSO HASNT BEATEN ANYONE OVER .500 EXCEPT 3 TEAMS HES BEATEN NOBODY WHO HAS A WINNING RECORD EXCEPT 3 TEAMS AND IT WAS HOUSTON OR BAL
Because Henry ran 200 yards.
Joy Taylor is the definition of "risking it all"
Paul looks like an absolute clown on this take!!
Bro they forget the Lamar performance against the bengals
The team that gave the bills one of their three losses are the reavens
CJ Stroud is the first quarterback in the NFL that started crying when a player was hurt
Shows a lot about that young man. Toughness is measured in character
He actually not
CJ looked like a little girl crying, he was just missing the beads and a bow in his hairdo
U 14 ?
Paul! Did Lamar and the Ravens beat Josh and the Bills?.........Yes, enough said.
CJ stroud took a bum franchise and had them wining the division and back to the playoffs he is doing Just fine
Bro so you going to make the excuse that the Ravens lost to the browns because they were a divisional rival but you want to sit here and torch the bills for struggling to win against the Patriots who are divisional?
Paul should be drug tested
Everytime a QB has had a 120+ passer rating, they have been MVP. Lamar doesnt care about this award he would rather have a superbowl but i think he will probably win it.
Lamar leads in EVERY passing category...yards...completion percentage...Touchdowns...Overall tds...Qb QBR...tHE ONLY CATEGORY jOSH LEADS OVER lAMAR IS RUSHING tds...lAMAR HAS kING hENRY AND DOESN'T NEED TO RUSH THE BALL ANYMORE. Lamar is MVP3
So in a game where he throws the ball 15 times and Henry has 27 rushes for over 150 the media comes out with the talking point that Lamar is the MVP ??? Lamar is balling no doubt, but he can’t be the mvp when his team is better when they take the ball out of his hands and hand it to their real MVP Henry.
Lamar have the stats already but when you watch that game on Christmas you can see how superior of a player Lamar is he dominated the Texans. He ran around like a game of Madden then threw a dime to Mark Andrews.
@@julianwatts9024 Lamar knows the assignment. It’s the Super Bowl. He has sat out
Several 4quarters.
The team wasn't better and the ball could never be taken out of his hands!!! He made plays only he could make which effected the game!! If that was the case Henry would've had the Titans perennial playoff contenders!
Henry also get those numbers because teams are scared of Lamar running the ball when did Henry ever got those kind of numbers in Tennessee
1 has one playoff team in their division and the other team has three teams in their division fighting for the playoffs
LAMAR JACKSON#8 LEADS THE NFL IN TOTAL YARDS .. TOTAL TDS .. HAS A 39:4 TD:INT RATIO .. WITH THE 2ND HIGHEST PASSER RATING IN LEAGUE HISTORY(121.6) .. HE SHOULD BE THE 2024 NFL MVP ..
6:58 Signature moment. Lamar and them boys whoop the Bills yall whyte want be good dual threat QB
We forgot that Lamar and the ravens spanked the Bills in a major way beginning of the season
They said everything except head to head Lamar beat Josh. And they wont say it because that closes the case.