Crystal Castles: The Dark Truth
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2022
- Crystal Castles: The Dark Truth
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concepts: Crystal Castles, Crystal, Castles, Alice Glass, Ethan Kath, Alice, Glass, Ethan, Kath, EDM, Electronic, Punk, Music
Crystal Castles were the enigmatic electronic music duo who made waves and shook up the electronic music world. To the public they were a new age punk band creating some of the most interesting and forward thinking music at the time, hosting legendary live shows to crowds of adoring fans who appreciated the unapologetic music, but behind closed doors things were much worse than any of the fans could have possibly imagined.
2003 was the first time Alice Glass and Ethan Kath would become acquainted, with Alice being 15 years old and Kath 31. Alice had run away from her home in order to live in a squat community of punks under the name Vicki Vale where she started an all girl experimental punk band. In December of 2003, shortly after Alice had run from home, she met Kath and began producing music with him, and Crystal Castles was formed.
2006 was the year the duo would see their first release with a track titled “Alice practice”, a track that Kath claimed to have been a mic test for Alice that he accidentally recorded - a remarkable story for a track that soon became a big hit. This track got Crystal Castles on the map and scored them their first record deal. More singles followed and eventually the duo were on their way to a UK tour. They were gaining popularity faster than anybody had expected, and their first official self titled studio album saw its release in 2008.
Next came Crystal Castles II in 2010, followed by Crystal Castles III in 2012 completing a trilogy of critically acclaimed and incredibly well received albums. Then, in 2014, after such a meteoric rise to success, Alice left the Crystal Castles project, stating that it compromised her "sincerity, honesty, and empathy for others". She stated that the Crystal Castles project was over, and she intended to pursue a solo career - but the manager of Crystal Castles had other ideas, and told the public that Crystal Castles would continue without her.
After Alice’s departure, in 2016 Kath enlisted Edith Frances to join the band in Alice's place, continuing the project and releasing a fourth album titled Amnesty (I). The new duo performed a couple of sold out shows, and were planned to appear at SXSW, a concert organized to highlight womens income disparity. Alice expressed that she didn't think Kath was an appropriate person to headline a feminism centred event, and Crystal Castles were removed from the lineup.
After Alice’s departure from the band fans were confused and speculation was rampant. After a hugely successful three album run to leave the project seemed unthinkable. What could make her leave the project, and why did the project continue even in her absence? From 2014 - 2017 this question would loom over fans heads and speculation about her departure would ramp up until Alice bravely and publicly spoke out against Ethan Kath.
In a statement on her website she revealed information not known to the public about what Kath was like behind closed doors. She detailed how, in her first interactions with Kath, as a 15 year old girl she was supplied with alcohol and taken advantage of by the then 26 year old man. Kath would stalk her after this incident, waiting outside her high school and preying on her, and at that age she had been naive and perceived him as a local rockstar. He had even gone so far as to entirely fabricate the Alice practice story in order to downplay Alice's involvement in the creation of the track and highlight his own perceived achievement.
Kath would give Alice drugs and alcohol and take advantage of her regularly, remaining sober during these interactions. He began to pick at Alice's insecurities, and took control of her by using these against her. He controlled how much food she ate, restricted her access to social media, chose what clothes she would be allowed to wear and regularly read through her emails. He limited her access to interviews, being unhappy if he couldn't be in control of them himself. He even prevented her from having her own credit card, taking control of her finances and keeping her within his grasp. Kath also held onto Alices’ passport alongside controlling her finances, truly trapping her in the abusive cycle of his evil nature.
What’s more, in October of 2017 the former manager of Crystal Castles, James Sandom, claimed that the nature of Alice and Kaths relationship was “unclear”. Kath responded to this with screenshots of emails sent to him during his time as manager of the project, where Alice details the deranged and abusive things that Kath was doing, even with Sandom calling the nature of Kaths actions domestic abuse. (read some emails)
I wont read out the whole transcript but it is available on Alice Glass’s website and offers a lot more information than I will provide in this video.
“alice was 15 and kath was 26” immediately its already weird
Maybe I should have gone with my first instinct upon hearing them way back when “Those vocals sound like they were done by a child.”
Punk commune is a red flag.
@@MonsieurBjornReddy she would be 20 ish when self titled came out though
@@antimonos eh, it depends, I like punk and I like communes.
@@prodLext yeah but that came out some time after they had formed and the Alice practice single was made. Plenty of time for grooming. It doesn’t matter if she was 20, those vocals were recorded when she was 15. Yeah it might be a bit much to say she was a child, but she definitely was not of legal age. And according to the account he even lied about how it was made, saying he stumbled upon the vocals when really, it appears, it was all planned. If he had to initially lie about how it came about, that most likely means he was quite aware of there being something wrong about it.
This is really sad. The music they made together was absolute magic. Crystal Castles II is one of my all time favorite albums. It just sucks to know that while making this unforgettable music, Kath was abusing Alice and others. In the end he's a scumbag.
Growing up is a shitshow. Phil spector r Kelly datsick etc etc. P.s. the dude in short-circuit movies is wearing brown face...
@@teddy3761 And they appropriated robot culture..
@@kettlecookedjalapenochips then don't listen to him. You support him everytime you put his music on.
Lost Prophet’s lead singer was much worse.
Whoaa dude. How do you know she isnt lying? No proof was ever provided. Peace to you...but try to pace those judgments if ya can.
I didn't know Alice was so young. I was in a same situation at that age, except I was never famous. Thank you for making this.
You are not alone ❤❤❤
I was a music photographer working for STV (Scottish Television) covering Rockness in 2009.
Crystal Castles were the first act on the main stage, Friday afternoon.
The gig was done within 20 minutes. Alice drank a bottle of Jack Daniels in around 10 minutes.
Chaso then ensued. Alice ended up in the crowd and got in a fight and had to be escorted away, thus ending the opening act to a pretty chaotic weekend for me covering the event.
I still have a really good image of Alice, profile shot if her leaning forwards, mic in one hand, the half finished bottle of JD in the other. Wild look in her eyes.
Dude I'd love to see that photo. Was always a big fan of her work.
Saw CC in NYC and I can also confirm she downed a full bottle of Jack. It’s sad to think she was going through so much at such a young age.
post the photo would love to see
I need to see this
I fucking love Crystal Castles , it breaks my heart that Alice had to endure all that awful shit and at such a young age
its why i never saw them live...and typically used any chance to shit on a "would be fan" by trying to educate them on the dynamic of CC from day 1....talking since the myspace days...and weve both seen how societies proliferated into a reductionist moronic STATE it exists in today....do the math on howmany girls got assaulted at their gigs/shows by older male patrons....its called the chain/path of chaos or entropy its not just what happened to alice...but the type of ppl that perpetuate/monetize the power figures putting alice in this position in the first place and ONWARD into multiple albums/fests/live performances...as the FANS ate it with a spoon. NO different han JOAN jett...and to this day teen age girls are repping joan jet with some IM a wanna be punk chip on their shoulder....ignorant to the rape/assault she played part/witnessed in. AS she exists as a false/idol in that scene...and ppl love her any more than the perpetually victimized monroe.
The young age is the main factor that allows the evil to abuse the victim. Many of us have gone through that
@@maximoutbound1265 whats upsetting is when youre a dude 16-18 you cant really size up/fight your way out of a 20+something effectively edging their way into a relationship with someone you yourself were trying to be involved with...and it only sours your opinion about that person when theyre "INTO" effectively being abused...including the person the become into their life when they succomb to the aspects established this early into their life. you see them later in life and go DAMN when i had a crush on you to now....not even close...not in a million. But im still left with this feeling like i shoulda done something THEN that could have averted some of these eventual trainwreck situations. Yet its also not my obligation. Just hard to fulfil the role or be an ally...and looking back esp when the older dude has other dude friends that pose a threat....we were never really able to "see something say something/do something" about it as it was...
Sucks for u… go look waht Mr kitty did…. I know u like that too
Many girls I grew up with became drug addicts influenced by those celebrities and they had similar fates or a mental illness.
When I saw them live near the end of her time in the group, she had just broken her leg or foot right before the show. They made an announcement about it and it seemed like the set was going to be cancelled. At the last moment they announced she was going on anyway, and she came to the stage in a cast, drinking a bottle of whiskey through the set. I was in a place in the club where I could see her exit the stage after the show and she was obviously in so much agony sitting there on the steps to the stage. At the time I thought she was so badass for fighting through the pain. I wonder now if she was forced to go up there. I'm glad she left.
I'm glad she left to. We got more music that moves the same. No broken foot
@@myflatlineconstruct ugh, nasty piece of work. 🤮🤢🤮🤢🤡👺👹☠️👿💩
Was that big day out?
@@dhisales6257 No just a show at 1st Ave. In Minneapolis
This happened when I saw them in San Diego! Makes you wonder, maybe he pushed her down the stairs or something.
"The Most Evil Man in Music"
Ian Watkins has entered the chat.....
exactly what I thought too.
Came to the comments to check for this....
Davih Vanity walks after...
Varg Vikernes too
Don’t forget Big Lurch.
This makes sense. The music sounds uniquely dark so I always wondered how you'd come up with these melodies.
lots of people make dark music and aren’t awful people
I feel like the singer of Lost Prophets holds the title for most evil man in music.
Came here to say this too
Right? I mean, not to take away from this guy being an abusive pr**K.. but Ian Watkins is the worst I've ever heard in music.
Damn, i was just thinking about that. The dude is a true sick piece of shit.
Beat me to it.
They should be in prison and forced to listen to free-form jazz 24/7
It's a shame that Alice didn't get control over the band after all of this came to life. She deserves it more than he does.
Listening to her self-titled music. It's actually pretty awesome, so, scratch that. She's doing really well without the name of Crystal Castles.
A reminder that that which we liked about Crystal Castles was her insane vocals, all along.
The privilege men have in this world... It isn't surprising at all
@@fawnieeeyou'll grow out of that mentality one day where we are all struggling here
@@fawnieee Keeping up with that attitude will get you no where in life
@@fawnieee theyll scream and cry to deny it but its true.
I love the unique sound and artistry that was Crystal Castles, Alice 8s an awesome artist. She is a friggin legend for walking away from Crystal Castles and exposing a predator and will always have my deepes respect. For anyone reading this that it may help; Abuse comes in many different forms and plenty of people don't even realize they are being abused. One of the first things to happen in abusive relationships is isolation. Tho isolation isn't always domestic violence. I feel like more should be taught about Domestic Violence in schools tbh.
This is sad, I saw them at Nocturnal festival in Austin years ago. She crowd surfed with a broken foot and held my hand the whole time. I wish her the best!!!
Even if sad, this is not surprising at all. Crytal Castles sounds full of pain and uncertainty. It was my companion during my worst times. It resonated with my depressed mind and soul and made me feel understood. I wish all the best to Alice! Thank you for everything!
That's exactly what Crystal Castles was and still is for me. It's a real fucking bummer since I found out how much of a scum bag Ethan is
It isn't also suprise to some degree when the band is born from squatters place where a teen run-away girl is living a punk life. It just isn't that she got taken advantage of, but the degree to which it went is crazy after they already made it. I think he was maybe paranoid that she would talk about him taking drugs with her and sleeping with her when she was young to other people or use it as a weapon to blackmail him with exposing what happened and he would not have any control if she would threathen him with that (on top of just being a garpage human). Just propably why it went so controlling.
ike turner was pretty relentlessly scummy!
Why does it have to be surprising?
I’ve always thought the project had a melancholic vibe to it
This really isn't very surprising, there's a deep deep sadness to their music. Some of the best music I've ever heard.
In his defense if he gave her those things she would be a celebrity Megastar and he would most likely lose her they were in love and they made some of the most beautiful techno of our genre proving anything is possible
@@user-js7md5me2kthey were in love ? 😂
@@user-js7md5me2kHe was grooming her and was assaulting her. They weren't in love, he was a creep she was his victim.
@@user-js7md5me2kthe fk is you smoking lol what kind of world is a 15 yr old being groomed by a 26 yr old and then be gaslit is love lol
@@blumouse8539then she doesn’t deserve to have success off of HIS music.
kath is an absolutely disgusting person but you cant call him the most evil person in music when ian watkins exists
And some historical nonces in music like Gary Glitter but Ian Watkins was worse still.
Absolutely devastated for Alice. I must have seen the band like 10+ times from 2008-2014 and always connected with her tortured vibes when performing. Fucking hell what a monster
Now I know why Crystal Castles music was dark and has so much agony. It pierces thru your heart and shakes the strongest mind. I listened to their music thruout the hardest time in my life. Alice is so strong and brave to escape that terrible situation.
Edit: As a person who had been manipulated for almost of childhood and teenage time, for some reason I can feed some strong bind from crystal castles. You may say that why Alice didn't ask for help from police, why she didn't just run away or fight back, then you need to know that the Stockholm syndrome is actually a thing. I hadn't known and denied that I was abused by my parents until I was escaped from my home by my friends. Until now my parents is still trying to interfere with my personal life. This video explained why I feel so related to crystal castes. Saying "shakes the strongest mind" maybe over-exaggerated, but as a person who had deal with a lot of hardship in life, the childhood trauma of being captived and abused will always be the thing I scared to deal with the most and crystal castles accidentally touched my deepest fear.
right?
I mean, it must have been very "strong and brave" to escape Saudi Arabia to the West
@@PeterParker-yo6gu Well, she must have been "strong and brave" to escape her Saudi upbringing where she did not have a choice, and HAD to get with Katz, right?
That's why I find it really hard to listen to their old music now. Like their music is fairly grating at times, which is part of the appeal. Knowing the story behind much of it provides context to the sound they made and that's just too much.
@@CEWIII9873 lol are you a bot ?
Always found their music hard to listen too
The people defending this guy are sick and part of the reason abusers feel like they can continue doing what they do.
Exactly no one should be defending this guy he didn't do anything wrong
Remember Quran says 🤷🏽♀️
@@unknownusrname that's why women are afraid of seeking help when they are abused. People like you, instead of believing them, choose to doubt their accusations making them feel wrong about it.
@@unknownusrname well she won the sue against him so 💀
@@maarifuk oof then that means I gotta erase my Statement then
@@maarifuk thanks for getting me out of the dark, I was walking around with false information for a while
I’ve been to many of their concerts growing up. Some of the best experiences ever, but when all of this originally came out it just shattered all of our worlds. I’ll never forget
I’ve seen her solo act live from when her EP came out. She is a force to be reckoned with. What a show
Is anyone surprised? A 26 year old would never have normal intentions with a 15 year old.
it says he was 31 when she was 15
it says he was 31 when she was 15
Billy eilish with Jesse Rutherford
I had a friend whose first relationship was exactly that. I think her boyfriend had brain damage or something lmao. It wasn't predatory, but it's still insane and not to mention illegal. He did damage to her with his advantage.
Not true. Someone who is not me dated a 16 year old girl when they were 25, and helped her get out of an abusive situation. They still feel for her, even though she left them.
It's surprising how 5 different woman had to speak about all the abuse and even with that there's people who defends just one dude that they have never met with a bunch of excuses,that's sick
There's a lot of nuance in the story. The internet has all of it.
I choose to believe the face of a band got big for her britches. Chose to go her own way and what she left, just happened to go on for a bit.
Not surprising at all. Unfortunately lots of women lie, wish discredits the women that tell the truth. Your singular word against somebody else's holds little weight. There no easy way around it.
Yeah but there's plenty money in selling stories to newspapers. Maybe if they'd called the police instead of the media.
@Tubbo Lard I don't know what you mean, that is evidence then?
@Tubbo Lard I understand sarcasm, I don't understand the point you're trying to make with it?
Not many channels cover dark events specifically related to the music industry. Interesting!
Not to downplay this situation, and the reprehensible crimes Ethan Kath committed, but the truly "most evil man in music" I know of has to be Ian Watkins. What Ian did is so demented and evil. He's never shown any remorse for what he did as well.
I feel like crimes like this, and what ian did show a similarity in the kind of person you have to be to commit them, i wouldnt be surprised if kath had even younger targets
And you'd still get that one mfer going "everybody deserves a second chance" 🙄
"Most Evil Man in Music" is unfortunately a very long list that includes people like Ian Watkins, Philip Spektor, R. Kelly, and Jerry Lee Lewis
And none of them are really even close to Ian Watkins. This guy clearly hasn't done his research.
Charles Manson lol
Right! I saw it was about the guy from CC (an old fav of mine) and I watched just out of sheer incredulity and horror that someone could be worse than Watkins. Still shook over that scum.
Gary Glitter
Watkins is a different animal to any of the others. True monster
I love Alice so much she’s such a strong woman she came out about this and went solo while I was in an abusive relationship and she really helped me get through it I’ve listened to her since I was young and it makes me sad to know she went through that
I hope you're doing well now.
@@CEWIII9873 many people do not identify them early on, and sometimes when they do, it has escalated. manipulation can be very strong and convince into not leaving.
Big brain Chuikov
@@CEWIII9873 damn bro, guess i should take responsibility over getting sexually abused and not realizing that so much of it was SA 🤷♂
@@levpluto4667 I see.
You CHOOSE to use your "trauma" as a sword and shield to win arguments, all the while CHOOSING to exist as a victim?
How inspiring...
When are you booked on Dr. Phil or Oprah?
I had a roommate who was obsessed with this band. He was particularly enamored with the dynamic of a man making the music and a woman singing. He regularly tried to get girls he was interested in to join him in a similar project. He also sold heroin out of his window and some kid died taking it. Dude had so much mirth in his eyes whenever he would talk about manipulating people and screwing them over. When i kicked him out he tried to steal a ton of stuff
I absolutely love Alice’s music. It’s so dark and haunting. So glad she managed to get out of that situation!
Man...used to listen to CC when i was a teen and heard about the break up and some shady stuff but holy fuck i didn't know the rabbit hole went that deep. My sincere respects to Alice...what she went through must've been the pure definition of hell.
Pure definition of hell is much worse, just saying
What rabbit whole?
@@najacic You don't know that and shouldn't speak on peoples trauma if you're just going to be a dick
This seems BS... and the covert sexism against him?
So, the female singer left the band, then the band continued to do well... and 'then' she came out with these allegations, even when the band did a gig for feminism and women's wage disparity?
Seriously, get a grip!
It all seems very convenient.
Oh, and the 'double standards' President Macrons wife was his teacher, and knew him from 15!
And, I remember girls at school when I was a teenager and before, and you know women not being sexually aggressive 1950/60s!
I was sexually assaulted by a number of girls growing up.
I was sexually propositioned many times by girls, whilst growing up.
I'm really tired of this crass sexism of men are sexually rampant and predatory, and women are angels... it is absolutely not true!
Now, when women are just as ambition as men, we should be in a situation where women are being taken to court and prosecuted as much as men for sexually aggressive behaviour.
Instead the situation is so distorted now that a man can be abused, as I have been repeatedly, and then is persecuted.
Then again, I could be wrong about this situation, but the sequence of events... and the man who was accused had said the same, and I'd forgotten about this.
But when you spoke of this sequence of events?
I hate to break it to people, but women can be just as sexually promiscuous, aggressive as men!
And it is about time we grew up!
I genuine thought by this time in our society, we'd have as many or nearly as many prosecuted for sexual abuse as men.
The fact that society seems to think that your sexual organ has to 'stick out' for it to mean that can be sexually abusive or not... is so incredibly ignorant, irrational and stupid - it is beggar's belief!
@@sebastianwritesget help you freak.
Wow, i had no idea 😭 so sad to hear this. Will definitely go listen to Alice's newer works!
Lots of people in the music scene /industry are horrific, including my ex-whatever, and sadly sometimes no one will ever believe these people are abusive and stand in their corner. I quit listening to music for this reason. Don't ask me who, I won't be sharing that.
i want to know more about edith, i feel concerned for her and i hope she isn't being hurt
In 2020 Ethan's ex wife said that he and Edith were still dating :/
Chicks like their bad boys.
Sadly, when predators like this POS are allowed to stay in society, they are almost guaranteed to not only repeat the behavior, but also to continue escalating, with greater and greater frequency, until they are caught, stopped, or a tragedy occurs. Alice coming out should have been more than enough to bury him for life. These kind of people don't change, they will always be opportunistic, unstable, violent and knowing predators. I really hope edith gets far away before this behavior escalates further.
Normally I don't believe in the death penalty, but men who deliberately prey on children should be thrown in a trench and bayoneted to death, fuck them they arent people
I'm concerned for her as well ... I would enjoy it if she would rub microwaved pork lotion on my torso. I hope she'll be in proper physical and emotional health so she can really enjoy the process.
@@Fiveash-Art huh
The weird ass takes from the Kath defenders in this comment section is WILD. If you truly want to separate art from the artist,just pirate the music and don’t give a single cent to either involved. There. Done situation. And it’s not that hard to do,either.
This is the way.
Still enjoy the music and her solo work and I’ve not bought music since the 90’s
@@dddd717 streaming it on any platform is revenue for the artist-if you mean you’ve truly been pirating music since the 90s, that’s metal and i love it
Does anyone still Buy music?
@@slavko-6862People with jobs use stuff like Apple Music or at least Spotify yeah
Yeah, WHY isn’t he in jail?!?! I worked at a care home and was sexually harassed and bullied repeatedly and my female manager told me to ignore it and giggled like it was a fucking joke, even though she knows I have CPTSD from SA in foster care. Managers like this should be held responsible too.
been listening to them for years and have been following their story for a while. it always hurts to think about the shit Alice has had to endure through out the years
As long as Ian Watkins is alive that thumbnail just isn’t true
I thought the same thing
Exactly
They were huge in my circle of art friends in high school and what's very upsetting is Alice was known as "the crazy one". Of course it was the other way around.
I mean, she still seemed/seems pretty "out there" which is why he probably thought he could get away with abusing her. I'm glad she got the strength to come out about it
You gotta watch for the quiet ones, Which Mr.Kath definitely strikes me as.
@@sawtooth808 some of us just don't want to talk to every day. I enjoy my silence. Doesn't mean I'm going to abuse children. Lmao.
I actually used to be afraid of the song Untrust Us, it scared me a lot and I didn’t know why, but now I know it’s because of its meaning and the way it was presented. It’s telling you that DRUGS are good for you. It feels terrible and disturbing to listen too. It’s one of my favorite songs now because of the unsettling and agonizing emotions I get every time I listen to it and the same goes for all of crystal castles music. You can feel the pain that Alice had to endure in all of their songs and it’s helping me get through a lot right now.
It is pretty spoopy. So is Leni.
Now you can understand this line "and you'll never be pure again". Non-pareil music full of emotions.
It’s nice to see many supporting comments towards Alice. I remember when the statement was released, many people actually showed support towards Ethan and called Alice a b*** and a liar.
I always thought - if Alice was the liar then Kath should just keep his head high and keep on releasing music with Edith and continue CC- but he didn’t…
After Alice started a solo career I saw her live and I posted a few pics on my IG and people literally attacked me in the comments saying how can I support a liar b**** etc etc.
I didn’t care because I loved Alice and still love her to this day.
I’m just wondering what’s going on with Edith. I heard in another video that she got into the fashion industry? Strange how she kept quiet and didn’t defend Ethan publicly at all.
About Edith! I wonder the same…. She must be afraid too. I hope she is okay
I thought what happened with Edith was she put out a statement that they met while she was 16 and he would throw her down stairs and stuff and she apologized to Alice for not believing her
@@liyahs1energy that statement was from Ethan’s ex gf, actually edith didn’t say a thing.
That's a pretty delusional way to navigate through this modern climate. There have been people accused of things in this day and age and been cleared later and there careers were never the same, never had the same exposure, the situation took a toll and affected their mental health, made them act differently etc... The crux of your logic is basically that all allegations are true, if you're going to solely judge it by having an uninterrupted career.
@@Y0utubeIsFuckingHomo if there is a 2% chance the allegations are false that means most likely the allegations are true.. how is that delusional thinking? And like I’ve said I don’t really care If the allegations are or aren’t true because a 25 year old dating a 15 year old and a 36 year old dating a 16 year old is already enough to know what kind of person that man is for me. I have experienced these situations first hand. If possibly losing career > possibly have been raped to you that’s your opinion 👍
Didn’t know Alice was the same age as me as when I started listening to them. I also was in some toxic relationships as a teen/early young adult, and I’m so happy she is continuing to use her voice and music. I’m glad that she didn’t let those experiences take that gift from her 💕
The word toxic is used with such frivolity that it has lost all meaning. It's become a dogwhistle of sorts
@@R3l3ntl3sss a dog whistle for what exactly?
Yeah Alice Glass has some really good music. Forgiveness references her older works and it’s so good
@@R3l3ntl3sss no it hasn't go touch grass.
@@Mr.Universe Yes it has, you losers use toxic so much it's meaning has literally faded.
I saw them once at a music festival. Alice wasn't there. It was Kath and a drummer. There was apparently an issue with something on the stage, I assume the sound wasn't how they wanted it, although as an audience member, I couldn't tell that anything was wrong. After two songs, the drummer had a massive tantrum, threw his sticks, kicked his drums and just stormed off. Kath remained and essentially did a DJ set.
I later saw them hanging around near me during a DJ set (in a different part of the festival). Mira and Helen from Ladytron were doing the set (which was really fun btw). Kath and the drummer stayed for one song, not looking impressed, and then walked off.
I can't say that I had a good impression of the 'band' from that event.
I was a huge Crystal Castles fan in high school. I would listen to that 2008 album on repeat! I loved that album. I never knew about any of this. I don't think I can listen to their music the same way again... Awful what that guy did. I'm surprised he's not behind bars yet.
As I said on other videos like this I hung out with CC as they were on their come up. Everything was weird from jump. No phone, only an email, we just had to plan to meet them in specific places because of this. Ethan kept all the contact info, and their schedule, on a piece of paper in his jacket.
One time they asked me to bring them some pot. It was a 3 hour drive for me to get there and it wasn’t exactly cheap. When I got there Ethan acted like he didn’t know me, he encouraged Alice to smoke, and as soon as that happened they disappeared. It seemed like they were not necessarily having a fight but Ethan absolutely didn’t want her talking to us without him present.
We’d had fun when it was more of a party environment but when it was just the two of them it was really uncomfortable. When I heard the accusations everything made sense. Super sad and I hope she’s doing well now.
Sounds like a Wierd night
Woah
Dang 3h each way?
@@blazingstar9638 yes, needless to say I was pretty pissed. My buddy was also playing that night so that helped offset the anger some, but to be like “hey, what’s up? I’ve got that smoke you wanted…” 💨 *leave quietly awkwardly talking to one another*
I should say Ethan apologized. He also never spoke to me again. Yay.
@@imdoneplus never try to appease hipsters.
Saw CC 5 times, Alice never seemed like she wanted to be there ,3 times the gigs ended abruptly/short always wondered what was going on, poor Alice , I hope she can recover and move on and keep up her art , she’s amazing.😢
I think she has stated she makes no royalties off of Crystal Castles (That does not explain much other than the Fact Mr.Kath had the contract done up, _and_ since she was a minor, so…she got screwed in the legal financial sense as well and she definitely did not get kissed)
I saw them in Boston many years ago. They were about 1.5 hours late to come in and when they did, they were both wasted. They played one song, mostly mumbling lyrics, she fell off the stage and then the show was over. Later that night the venue lost power.
Alice is the only reason why crystal castles has a fan base period
no
Not even close.
I liked the music way before I saw either artist. It's solid music with and without Alice. Ethan is garbage as a person though.
@@pryingeyes1551 Yes, she is. Whithout her, CC was done. Amnesty I was a soulless bullshit album which was cobbled together in a hasty manner, and most of the stuff was ghost produced by Sidewalks and Skeletons aka Jake Lee (even though he appears as official writer only for one song). Kath's musical influence in the project is very much overstated.
@@fukszbau sidewalks and skeletons? Never heard of them, gonna check them out!
I saw Crystal Castles live at Lollapalooza. Alice is truly an amazing performer and she never deserved this.
You can really feel the weight of what she went through in her music she’s been releasing on her own.
thanks algorithm. subbbbed
this is the reson why. older CC shorts have been coming up on my few the last few months and I was digging the duo. never would have thought
Great video. Just a heads up,
SXSW is an acronym for “South By Southwest”. The name of the event has been abbreviated to SXSW.
Bro this is basically every rock band from the 60s, 70s and 80s. It's unfathomable how many of these rockers that we still love and respect today were huge pDOS who took advantage of 14/16 year old groupies who ran from home to tour with the band and basically act as a walking talking shared Fleshlight for them.
One of the most famous people in history Charlie Chaplin was a huge pDOS etc
Very much the reason why I don’t “idolize” anyone relatively famous. Music industry, movie industry.. any other big industry, they’re full of em and have been for a long long time sadly.
What’s a Pdos? Use words that most people know
@@Dieafreak so UA-cam doesn't hide it. Like saying SA
@@johnindigo5477 what the hell is Pdos ????
@@Dieafreak dude, really? You literally can't figure it out? If a 27 year old dude is sexually assaulting a minor....what would YOU call the perp? Or do you not know what a perp is either?
Omg! That poor girl. I'm glad she saved herself and left. Success should not be in the expense being abused
Crystal castles changed my life when I was 15 and heard through the hoisery on gta4 I believe and was instantly hooked. Then I heard the klaxons remix and finally celestica which is a song named after a plant where a guy jumped into a vat of burning plastic. That’s when I knew these guys were darker than most music groups.
Video hasn't started yet but I'm positive no one in music is anywhere near evil as Ian Watkins
I’ve finally just got around to getting into Crystal Castles, and having learned about this story it is a conflicting experience to say the least. I LOVE Kath’s production, but hate the thought of it coming from an abusive person. Separating art from the artist is tough.
You can't really.
@@om-qg7ju if I listen to it does it support Alice at all? 😬😬😬. Some tracks slap soo harrdd. And while Kaths production is amazing, Alice’s vocal performances really are what makes this band so great, Kath is f**king idiot for being abusive and treating her as disposable.
It's not that hard lmaoo
Kanye is still one of my favorites of all time.
@@ZZ-rc1yw Very different “offences”. Kanye holds beliefs that some find offensive, that’s one thing, Kath if the allegations are true, is a predator and abuser.
@@ZZ-rc1yw Kanye doesn't abuse women
I remember seeing these at Leeds festival in 2009. The lead singer came on, absolutely high as a kite. Proceeded to try and sing, gave up, kicked the drum set over and walked off stage. Quite an experience
so, that was a better show than the one I was at. there they dìd "perform".
its a very old tactic to get attention and headlines
@@zochbuppet448 Yeah, a 31st page newspaper article and a couple online posts given the genre
Saw them at Hard music festival in socal 2009. Worst sound quality I have ever heard. It just sounded like muffled bass and a woman screaming into a microphone. You couldnt even tell it was music, just noise. To be fair there was a lot wrong going on at that festival and the fire marshalls shut down the whole show mid act forcing everyone to stay inside until a swat team arrived to kick us out due to overcrowding and people jumping the balconies. It was one hell of a trip. They ended up refunding every single person the $70 admission. I was really bummed though because Underworld was going to play that night and you never get to see them.
I appreciate you posting the transcript for this video!
When you discover a band that you like the sound of after all this happens and then find out that all of this happened before you discovered them.
I hope all of the women involved with this deplorable man are doing well in life
So much respect for Alice. Takes remarkable strength and courage to speak up like she did.
You should look into "the plastitioner". He took the real plastitioners career, record deal, touring, and even his personal equipment and DAW and original tracks after the 2nd one discovered the original didnt own any rights over his artist name. The record company hid it as not to hurt ticket sales, so fans showed up not knowing it wasn't even the guy that wrote the music. All based on contracts and name rights.
Sounds very interesting, could you dm me on my Twitter @boolosity if you have any more info?
I tried looking it up, there doesnt seem to be anything online or any information, do you have any links, I'm really curious now
@@drdanoosh same here
And now they're blowing up on TikTok and a lot of people don't know about this.
Wow I had no idea about any of this. Thank you for spreading awareness.
Tina Turner broke away from Ike to live a free and enjoyable life despite the many physical and emotional abuses he piled upon her. Alice is free now and I am so happy for her! How I wish women in this pitiful world didn’t have to be so “strong”, but here we are 💔
What's love got to do with it?
Tina Turner
Strong? My grandmother had to raise 3 sons after her husband died when the eldest was 12. During wwII. Dainty and feminine to the end, but fuck with family? I forgive you, it's on.
That's strength.
This is music and posturing.
@@myflatlineconstruct Comments Iike these are the epitome of ignorance and (sorry not sorry) stupidity. Hurr durr thish wumon wus abused hurr durr dur muy grandmum had it much worse. Let me tell you something hardship in life is not a contest. Just because some people go through more pain and hardships than others it does not mean it invalidates another's situation. To say Alice is not strong for going through so much abuse just because your grandma had to also go through her hardships is simply idiotic. Both cases showcase women having to be strong in tough situation no reason to downplay the other.
@@myflatlineconstruct trauma isn’t a competition.
I was first introduced to these through an episode of Skins in which they had a segment of sorts. I always had an idea that something fishy was going on behind close doors given their age difference. I am happy for Alice and how far she has come now.
this is honestly brutal to hear given crystal castles has some of the best music ever created and I just recently discovered them in the last 6 months.
The music is as dark as the band's history 😬
The first concert I ever want to was Crystal Castles. I was, like, fifteen or sixteen and it was a great memory. I always loved Alice and thought she was so cool. I do remember that she rarely talked or gave interviews. At the time I thought she was just mysterious. How heartbreaking to know that she was being controlled and abused. Alice still puts out music and does shows solo! I hope everyone continues to show her love and support. She's a very strong woman.
I love CCs songs, but I could never throw money toward it. Glad Alice is doing well. I wish her nothing, but success.
Alice Glass makes her own music now and it's great, please listen to it guys.
Exactly. Forgiveness is one of my favs
Who has the rights for CC now? I just cant listen to it anymore eventhough i did on repeat. The music is sadly genius but i'll listen to Alice and stop listening to CC because she very much deserved that.
Crystal casle has been releasing bangers ngl
Meh it s average
I can guarantee it can’t compare to the first 3 crystal castle albums they’re legendary
My nephew introduced me to them before they really blew up.
I wasn't a huge fan but i knew about them and yeah, they did great.
Crimewave is still played in comic book shorts.
I was just listening to Crystal Castles - Crimewaves so thanks.
Once Alice left I gave up on crystal castles.
I've seen them 6 times
I agree the music sounds whack after she left
I didn't even bother listening to the albums/tracks after (III)
of course. The band is nothing without her vocals.. she is the voice of the group
@@bunnywavyxx9524 but her solo work isn't very good so...
The Lost Prophets guy is the evilest guy in music
Yup.
It’s hard to find someone as depraved & degenerate.
Yeah. Lots of guys controlled, abused and exploited their partners while making music together. Ryan Adams and mandy Moore, Ike and Tina, Tim Armstrong and Brody Dalle, Alexis from Daughters and Kristin Hayter (lingua ignota). MJ (likely, imo) molested kids. Bob Marley raped his wife. Bowie and iggy fucked the same 14 year old. Miles Davis beat his wife. John Lennon actually didn't but he did slap her once and was psycho controlling over Cynthia may and yoko. Steven Tyler and nugent both imprisoned and raped (statutory) minors. Afrika bambaataa was an active child molester .
But Watkins? He fuckin raped babies. With the moms. His password was 'i fvc* k1dslol'. No contest
For sure
Ian Watkins, Gary Glitter R.Kelly and Dahvie Vanity deserve medieval torture for what they did.
Wow, just learning this after loving their music...
I honestly loved Crystal Castles for their unique sound and Alices incredibly emotional voice. After she left I basically stopped listening to them because even then I thought it weird. For an important part of the band to just be replaced... I immediately jumped on Alices solo stuff from her first single and loved it.
Alice deserved so much better. That guy was a fking monster. I'm so happy she's making music she wants to and is healing from that creature, no matter how slowly it takes.
Ian Watkins takes the crown, if we're naming people "the worst". Then there's Gary Glitter. What about Phil Specter too?
my co worker use to force me to listen. i liked one song but truly could get nauseating
what a terrible heartbreaking story. i couldn't imagine having to suffer what alice went through. i'm glad she finally is out of that vicious cycle. i love the first 2 crystal castles album to death, but it's gonna be hard to listen to from here knowing the full story.
"SXSW" is pronounced "South By Southwest" - it's one of the biggest music festivals in the U.S.
And not about "women's income disparity." This is what happens when a youtuber just reads a wikipedia article and doesn't do their own research.
I just replied about this … I tried to ignore it but also it was driving me crazy and had to say something bc I didn’t see anyone else say this and what someone else mentioned below about how it’s not about “women’s income disparity”?? that’s just a bizarre assumption so idk where they found this info and makes me sus on them simply googling info and reading it to people which is neat but idk I’d prefer someone interested enough to google sxsw to realize it’s not whatever this person seems to have read somewhere
but that’s my personal take…
The scary part of this, is the premonition/foreboding. In school, around 2007 we used Crystal castles for our performance of X-Stacy. This story hurts my heart and I didn't know of this. I loved their early albums.
their album covers are amazing
I love Crystal Castles but whenever I remember what Alice went through makes me sick. Nowadays I listen to music from her solo career and for some reason I even like them more than Crystal Castles. You can still separate story and enjoy great music but try to support her and listen to what she's making nowdays, it's actually amazing and I bet alot of you might like it alot.
Or you don't. Realize she wasn't the creative. Move to another act.
Or don't. I care less if you want to listen to less than awesome.
@@myflatlineconstruct what?
@@myflatlineconstruct what the fuck
I remember going to a NIN show in 2008. CC was opening for them on that tour. Alice came out on stage with like six drinks. At the time I thought it was funny, but in hindsight she was probably boozing up to contend with her mental health.
Now the music holds much more level and emotions. Now I understand those were not just beats they were emotions.
I was just listening to a Crystal Castes song before i saw this. This is hearbreaking.
I remember waaaay back in the day, 2006/2007 there were stories of Crystal Castle ripping off other artists, stealing ideas etc. But haven't heard that since. Anyone remember this?
Yes. The samples and such. And the Madonna art.
A friend of mine has one foot in the chiptune scene and he personally knew artists that were ripped off by them.
Crystal Castles were my favourite group EVER when I was a teenager. I just know this will be a hard watch but a necessary one.
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i mean i ain't taking kath side but bruh... who did you expect to meet while running out of house in your 15 straight to squatters? a knight on the white horse?
Now I know the background of the lyrics”I’ll protect you from all the things I’ve seen”in Kerosene
Nice informative video crystal castles is one of the sickest duos I’ve seen it’s sad to see Alice leave but I’m glad to see she’s finally speaking out
She is still making new music and videos🖤
this aint that bad compared to ian watkins. damn that was weird.
@@RottedDollface whats her channel
finally? It's over half a decade ago she first talked about it
@@mysticfawn6812 Alice Glass
This group was definitely my favourite one but once I've learned about the cruelity and abuse behind the scene, it made me sick and honestly - ashamed, that I was a fan. I love the music they've created, but listening to it now, after all of this, is different.
Abusement? Wtf is that? Amusing abuse? Lolol back to grade 2 with you friend.
@@jakejutras5420 And what kind of problem with yourself you have my friend, that you need to attack instead of point the mistake without being rude? Maybe I can help.
English is not my first language and I admit I've made a mistake there by using the general suffix rule, didn't know it was needed.
@@jakejutras5420 everybody knows that you are an asshole, show us something new
@@jakejutras5420 what an incel type energy you have there
@@jakejutras5420 Incel energy you have going on here bud
it feels like every month i lose another musician i really liked. using spotify to not give them as much money is one option. there comes a point when we can't keep up with all this and need to separate the art from the artist. it becomes too much, and almost a form of control in itself.
Thumbnail ain’t it in a world where Ian Watkins exists
I can’t find myself “hating” Crystal Castles with Alice. Without, I still don’t hate. Just don’t like it as much. It’s Alice’s voice that appeals.
I really want to like her solo music, but it just doesn’t hit, which sucks
@@riversfrank826 Same here. Tried the new album, Prey and it just has a Purity Ring vibe. That's not a compliment.
@@philiproseel3506 she just needs to work with the right producers, I listened to a song that came out not too long ago called save me by Safety trance, and the whole time listening to it I was thinking Alice would sound great on it
@@riversfrank826 There are lots of acts that she could pair up with. Imagine collabs with S&S, Brothel, Sco, etc. I bet that would really sell. She probably is comfortable doing her own thing. Can't fault her for that after what she's been through.
@@riversfrank826 wonder why ?
I used to listen to this band a lot during my early highschool years and even some time after with my ex at a graveyard, I had no idea there was so much misery, hopefully Alice is in a better place now
she is!! She has instagram and she's making her own music and shes very happy now :)) i think she just announced a tour too but im unsure
Surely Ian Watkins is the most evil?
So much drama behind the RS6 theme song
Ian Watkins from Lost Prophets is the most evil man in music. His crimes make this look like amateur hour.
For real!
When Alice left the duo I rolled my eyes at all the whining about her absence because I knew CC was Ethan’s project. Everything was him, and I figured he’d just find a new girl to replace that spot because it’s a project, and that’s exactly what he did. That reality is darker with the knowledge of the abuse and even more telling because he just replaced her like she didn’t even exist.