OMG you are amazing!!!!! How does this only have this many likes...we need to support this guy! I have been studying this for such a long time and had such a difficult time understanding it... watched one video of yours, and like magic, i finally get perspective! So thankful for ppl like you who put out gold for free.
Thank you. I was really struggling with perspective, but this video has been quite helpful. Now, I'm applying these principles to every object I see. It all makes sense now hahahah
Just found your channel and subbed! Really like the style of your videos and have finally committed to learning to draw again after a very, very long time. I'm already considering joining the patreon. Would you ever consider doing Q&A/review videos or streams? Would become a patron immediately if I could ask you some how-do-I-correct-this Qs. Is that what your discord is for? Sorry for all the Qs, thanks for all the fantastic content!
Hey welcome to the channel. I always do qna on the livestreams. That is what the livestreams are there for. If people have questions I answer them. Also add you said you can leave drawings and more elaborate quotations in the discord and if you tag me I'll take a look at that. But also the people on discord will help if they can
@@onikemango that is what I am here for. I do have a patreon tier where I offer monthly qna/feedback just for the people in that tier so take a look if may e that interests you. But as I said if you catch me in a livestream I always glady help
Thanks for the video! Techically your argument of one edge having to be longer than the opposing one in the distance is not correct. If you have strong convergence of the edges (close VP) the short close edge (to the observer) can be shorter than its opposing edge in the distance. This is especially noticeable for planes close to the horizon. The only thing you can say is that the relationship of the close edges a < b, holds for their corresponding far edges c and d. I.e. a has corresponding edge c in the distance and b has corresponding edge d in the distance. Therefore, the edges in the distance have the same or equal relation c
I might have missed it or I don't remember correctly but I don't quite understand what you are saying. In 2 point perspective edges get consecutively smaller as they get closer to the vanishing points. Not sure how anything further away from the viewer would seem bigger. Can you maybe link or dm me on insta with an example of 2 point perspective where this is the case?
@@robertlkiss I have no insta, sry. My claim is that at minute 8:34 D_3 can be smaller than D_3A under certain circumstances. If the VP of D_3 is closer to center vision (middle of horizon) D_3 experiences strong foreshortening. D_2 and D_2A are close to being perpendicular to the line of sight (i. e. those edges are nearly horizontal). Under this circumstancee D_3A can be longer than D_3 although D_3A is further back in the distance. The reason is that the observer looks more "along" D_3 into the distance while D_3A is "more" perpendicular to the line of sight, making it appear longer. This effect can be observed for all distances to the horizon, however, it is most easily seen if the plane spanned by D_3 and D_2 is close to the horizen and the VP are close by (strong convergence). As you mentioned in your video in many cases D_3 is longer than D_3A because it is intuitive as it is further back, but it is not a general rule. Draw a cube from top down perpendicular to line of sight (cube is a square), rotate the cube to observer by 15° and place the observers eye close by, you can see that the close edge D_3 makes a certain angle with the observer, but the angle of D_3A is larger, this larger angle means that D_3A doesn't appear as foreshortened as D_3, therefore, appearing larger. I just mention this because I myself made your assumption once and then drew the square plane in perspective with a protracter and measured the edges, and noticed that my assumption was wrong :D I was so frustrated because nothing made sense
@@veloenoir1507 maybe I should have specified that I am talking only about 3/4 views. From a product design/ prop conceptart point of view those sort of views you are mentioning are not useful because you are not communicating all the information you need. Also for beginners those kind of extreme foreshortening angles are not recommended. But indeed what you say is correct.
@@robertlkiss "mentioning are not useful because you are not communicating all the information you need. Also for beginners those kind of extreme foreshortening angles are not recommended." I know xD, but I just so happened to once draw perspective with a protractor trying to understand how the edges relate when moving horizon and VP's. SInce I was drawing on paper there is not a lot of space, ergo the VPs were close together. Color me shocked when I noticed that there are certain scenarios where the further edge appeared longer than the close one :D AHH!
@@veloenoir1507 yeah I can imagine that is why in teaching it's emphasized early on the you have to get used to putting the VP's outside the paper for proper proportions.
Very good,man. Now I need to find time to practice.
Go for it!
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Glad you found it useful!
I found you channel last weekend and I'm so happy I did. :) !
Have a nice start of the year!
I'm glad you found it, hope you will find a lot of useful videos :)
OMG you are amazing!!!!! How does this only have this many likes...we need to support this guy! I have been studying this for such a long time and had such a difficult time understanding it... watched one video of yours, and like magic, i finally get perspective! So thankful for ppl like you who put out gold for free.
Glad it was helpful, that's why I do these :)
Great video mate, as always. You look exactly like the main character from Atlantis.
Haha thanks mate that made my day, I loved that movie. I wish I was also a bit skinnier like him :D
Go on an adventure! Find your Atlantis!
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very helpful...
Happy to hear that!
Thank you. I was really struggling with perspective, but this video has been quite helpful. Now, I'm applying these principles to every object I see. It all makes sense now hahahah
I'm happy to read that, glad the video helped!
great ,if possible make more videos about perspective related to characters or vehicles
There should be some more coming in the future!
Just found your channel and subbed! Really like the style of your videos and have finally committed to learning to draw again after a very, very long time.
I'm already considering joining the patreon. Would you ever consider doing Q&A/review videos or streams? Would become a patron immediately if I could ask you some how-do-I-correct-this Qs. Is that what your discord is for? Sorry for all the Qs, thanks for all the fantastic content!
Hey welcome to the channel. I always do qna on the livestreams. That is what the livestreams are there for. If people have questions I answer them. Also add you said you can leave drawings and more elaborate quotations in the discord and if you tag me I'll take a look at that. But also the people on discord will help if they can
@@robertlkiss Awesome! thank you for answering all my (obvious - sorry!) questions :D
@@onikemango that is what I am here for. I do have a patreon tier where I offer monthly qna/feedback just for the people in that tier so take a look if may e that interests you. But as I said if you catch me in a livestream I always glady help
I won't say no for more tutorials
Say no XD
Thanks for the video! Techically your argument of one edge having to be longer than the opposing one in the distance is not correct. If you have strong convergence of the edges (close VP) the short close edge (to the observer) can be shorter than its opposing edge in the distance. This is especially noticeable for planes close to the horizon. The only thing you can say is that the relationship of the close edges a < b, holds for their corresponding far edges c and d. I.e. a has corresponding edge c in the distance and b has corresponding edge d in the distance. Therefore, the edges in the distance have the same or equal relation c
I might have missed it or I don't remember correctly but I don't quite understand what you are saying. In 2 point perspective edges get consecutively smaller as they get closer to the vanishing points. Not sure how anything further away from the viewer would seem bigger. Can you maybe link or dm me on insta with an example of 2 point perspective where this is the case?
@@robertlkiss I have no insta, sry. My claim is that at minute 8:34 D_3 can be smaller than D_3A under certain circumstances. If the VP of D_3 is closer to center vision (middle of horizon) D_3 experiences strong foreshortening. D_2 and D_2A are close to being perpendicular to the line of sight (i. e. those edges are nearly horizontal). Under this circumstancee D_3A can be longer than D_3 although D_3A is further back in the distance.
The reason is that the observer looks more "along" D_3 into the distance while D_3A is "more" perpendicular to the line of sight, making it appear longer. This effect can be observed for all distances to the horizon, however, it is most easily seen if the plane spanned by D_3 and D_2 is close to the horizen and the VP are close by (strong convergence).
As you mentioned in your video in many cases D_3 is longer than D_3A because it is intuitive as it is further back, but it is not a general rule. Draw a cube from top down perpendicular to line of sight (cube is a square), rotate the cube to observer by 15° and place the observers eye close by, you can see that the close edge D_3 makes a certain angle with the observer, but the angle of D_3A is larger, this larger angle means that D_3A doesn't appear as foreshortened as D_3, therefore, appearing larger.
I just mention this because I myself made your assumption once and then drew the square plane in perspective with a protracter and measured the edges, and noticed that my assumption was wrong :D I was so frustrated because nothing made sense
@@veloenoir1507 maybe I should have specified that I am talking only about 3/4 views. From a product design/ prop conceptart point of view those sort of views you are mentioning are not useful because you are not communicating all the information you need. Also for beginners those kind of extreme foreshortening angles are not recommended.
But indeed what you say is correct.
@@robertlkiss "mentioning are not useful because you are not communicating all the information you need. Also for beginners those kind of extreme foreshortening angles are not recommended."
I know xD, but I just so happened to once draw perspective with a protractor trying to understand how the edges relate when moving horizon and VP's. SInce I was drawing on paper there is not a lot of space, ergo the VPs were close together. Color me shocked when I noticed that there are certain scenarios where the further edge appeared longer than the close one :D AHH!
@@veloenoir1507 yeah I can imagine that is why in teaching it's emphasized early on the you have to get used to putting the VP's outside the paper for proper proportions.
Thanks ..
Thank you!