Not really hard to understand. On average 10 players out a game. Starting cb out, goalkeeper out, 3 wingers out, and other squad players. It's simple really
I actually didn’t realise Spurs were even lower than fellow scroll down side Man Utd. At least they have injury excuses and are entertaining to watch though.
Yeah they didn't play well yesterday. The players had no sense of urgency, not even running to the ball. Which means you have something in common with them.
I'm still pissed at that blind lino that ruled Benedict Honey Rodgers offside in the Ipswich Vs Bummersfield game that year. Knew from that moment that we needed to bring tech into the game
It irritates me that we have pundits blaming this on amorim and on ange for spurs' predicament but it's painfully obvious it's down to dreadful ownership for both teams. Blaming the coaches is just really lazy analysis from both pundits and the fans parroting the same sentiment
How is it not Amorim's fault? He took a job, either knowing full well that the team doesn't fit his playstyle or not being smart enough to realize something that everyone can see. He keeps forcing players into positions they cant play, refusing to adapt. He keeps dropping attacking players in favor of players that tickle his ego. He keeps making the same excuses game after game and not fixing anything. He keeps giving players a chance to shine like Bayindir in the FA cup and then going back to the status quo that keeps making the same mistakes. He keeps making public comments about what goes on privately in the dressing room, creating a very unhealthy atmosphere. He keeps making 5 substitutions every single game. How do you think Zirkzee and Hojlund feel when he takes Zirkzee off in the 30th minute, gives Hojlund a chance, and then keeps Zirkzee out until Hojlund plays a bad game, after which he reverses their roles. None of these players feel encouraged, they're scared to take chances, because if they fail, they'll be humiliated in front of the whole world. He might be a good tactics manager, but there's no way for us to know because he's horrific at man management. I wouldn't be surprised to hear some absolute horror stories from that dressing room in a few years' time. When Manchester City concedes 2 late goals and loses their lead, Guardiola runs to Ortega, starts hugging him and screaming at him that can't blame himself because he played an amazing game. He then goes to the press conference and says, "It's my fault. I can't blame any of the players. Ortega is amazing. Kyle is a legend. Gvardiol is so young and bright." When Manchester United loses, Amorim goes straight to the dressing room, doesn't even say a word to his players in public, and then goes to the press conference and says, "Whoever doesn't give their all will not play. I need time to fix this team. We are playing terribly."
@@petarpelov5302 "Whoever doesn't give their all will not play. I need time to fix this team. We are playing terribly." is exactly what needs to be said.
I think Everton are actually a great case study in the structure now. Under Moyes v1, consistently top 8, couple 4/5/6 league finishes. There was discussion of them becoming one of the big clubs. But the Moshiri era has proved how hard it is to climb back to a decent spot after consistent poor leadership. The new owners and new stadium might turn it around, but that's no guarantee.
Supposedly, since Amorim started he's had a grand total of 7 training sessions with the whole team available to actually work on tactics and so on, the schedule has been so tight that alçl other sessions lacked players and were only to regain fitness, etc.
the difference I think between Spurs and Man U in their crisies Spurs have an explanation, their entire defence basically is injured, they're playing an 18 year old kid in defence, out of position, at various points this season they've had a 16 year old CB on the bench, both their starting and back-up keepers are injured, with a slew of players set to come back from late Jan-mid Feb, whilst they won't recover to Top 4 or anything, I can see them quite easily finishing top 10, and maybe with less to play for in the league Ange'll really push for the FA cup, to get just some much needed silverware into the club whereas Man U, there is no explanation, there is no injury crisis, they are just shit, which is a much worse place to be, they've been in need of a major rebuild probably since fckn Jose left, but a major proper rebuild with blooding of young players hasn't happened, through terrible leadership and management both at a manager level, and a club level Spurs will likely fix themselves this season when they get some of their key players back, Man U is still years away from being the behemoth they used to be, and with so many teams lined up waiting to take their spots, in the form of Newcastle, Villa, Brighton, Brentford, Man U will find they have a much more difficult time climbing back up then they're probably expecting
we have had luke shaw injured forever, we dont have a single left back, we need to play dalot on lb, where he has been ass because hes not a left back.
@@tornadoduckthat’s still one player. United fans talk about Shaw’s injury status like he’s Messi and when he comes back United will suddenly be 3x as good.
Spuds and Man United are so lucky the three promoted sides and Wolves have been so bad. Roy Hodgeson had 24 points after 20 games when he got sacked by Liverpool - largely due to him only being 4 points above the drop. Ange and Amorim are both doing worse than that, points wise, but there's still a large gap between them and the drop. Insane to look at just how strong Leicester and Ipswich looked in the Championship last year.
What I see with Tottenham a lot is, they never ever sign their first target. It almost always feels like they settle for someone half the fanbase hasn't heard of because their much cheaper and it's almost like they expect the cheaper less known player to preform like the hot prospects they're always linked with. No disrespect to their players but some of those guys really make you question how they're on a premier league team at all
I feel bad for Spurs and Ange. At the same you have a list of notable injuries of that team, other teams like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford, Forest, etc. are able to get points against the big 6. I also think "oh Ange should change tactic" won't work as well as people think. Because you'd be asking their best attacking players to cover for their weaker back 4, which lessens their ability to score overall. And that scoring is the best option for Spurs right now. You play with the cards you have.
It will be interesting to see if Ineos have committed to having best in class scouting and analytics. It's crazy that Utd allowed themselves to fall behind the likes of Brighton & Brentford in that regard. You'd hope with ave Brailsford history of marginal gains etc that eventually Utd will embrace that world and try to do it better We've seen 'Moneyball' ideas before, and football isn't as easily analysed as baseball, but it's clear that Utd have been failing at this area for a long time. Even small things like selling McTominay last summer when under the old regime he would have got a bumper new deal or allowed to walk for free.
How well did Moneyball work out for the Oakland A’s? It also worked well for the San Diego Chargers too. Didn’t Team Canada focus on it and lose in hockey? You don’t get trophies by jacking off to analytics.
@@AceKing-h3j the A's revolutionised baseball. It's what helped the Red Sox end their championship curse. Analytics are good but you also need the right IQ for the sport they're used in to use them effectively
@ I mean it’s literally how Brentford and Brighton have found success particularly Brighton. As for Oakland it did work. They elevated themselves to a level they hadn’t been performing at. It then helped Boston break their curse. Nobody should do only one thing and data isn’t only part of scouting. Utd can’t be behind others analytics.
@ Then tell me, why are they not in Oakland? Yes, high IQ 🙄. Too bad so many have such low EQ that the analytics obsessed teams are failing. A’s moved. Analytics also encouraged Red Sox to trade Mookie Betts. How are the Red Sox right now after that? Would you give away Messi because of analytics during his peak career because Tiki-Taka was plug and play? You can diagnose and read all about how swim angles work but throw someone who can’t swim in a pool and no amount of analytics will help him from not drowning. You can’t reduce mentality down to a set of numbers. Also, the reason why people watch sports is for the human factor and not because of some stat nerd who can’t interpret anything beyond the numbers.
@ Analytics told Boston to get rid of Mookie Betts. Oakland didn’t win shit with their “revolution” and just moved. Brandon Staley made the Chargers miss the playoffs and was fired. Turned the NBA into 50 3 pt scrimmages that put on a trash product. As mid-tier teams? Analytics always neglect situational factors in clutch moments where games are won and lost and the obvious human factor. Next time you’re so obsessed with analytics, save the relative you have with the best chance to live and let the other die because numbers.
"My biggest achievement in my career is 2nd place and Europa League with Man Utd" - Jose Mourinho. This quote let us understand how toxic is that ambient...
Man United just look like a team that's given up, they just want to play out the season and see what kind of housecleaning occurs over the summer. Tottenham, on the other hand, just seem to have no depth. They did fine when their first XI were healthy and played once a week, now that fixtures are congested and Spurs have a run of injuries they're finding that they can't rely on squad depth to see them through. So while Ange might lose his job over that, it'd be a little harsh, the next manager will run into similar issues if Spurs don't work on acquiring quality depth options.
For years, we've been overachieving and this season we are showing our standard. This is our standard because theres no temporary manager bounce that disillusions pundits, fans, viewers that we're 'back' or good again. Under LVG, Jose I remember winning games we shouldn't have won-like we only won because we're United.
Looking at results and coaches will never show you what's actually happening at United. Look at the bigger picture and you'll see the ownership is completely incompetent and intentionally running the club into the ground. They're squeezing profit out of the brand without caring about the football or fans. You could make a 3 hour documentary with no filler about all the rotten things these vampires have done that ruined the team. You cannot accurately predict or judge this team the way you do other clubs, because it's not run like a football club. It's a brand, being run like a brand, without any of the soul that made it great in the first place. It's like Star Wars in the Disney era, a shell of a thing we used to admire being squeezed for money
Idk why people seem to forget this every year? Did we not have a huge protest only a few years ago? The Glazers don't give a fuck about winning as long as our commercial revenue is up. The club needs to be entirely rebuilt. No manager, no players, no tactics will just fix this
IMO part of the issue seems to stem from "top" Prem Clubs abandoning the academy system. I dont mean fully but using it to sell young prospects to "lesser" clubs instead of nurturing talent and instilling a philosophy from the start.
Well the “top” clubs have the spending power and want instant success. Why wait 4 years when you can spend £200 million + on established stars and don’t have to worry about ffp compared to the rest of the league?
That logic doesn’t make much sense ….. if top prem clubs kept their academy players or did a better job using them, they would just stay with the top clubs…… top clubs are already top clubs ( rarely change) The real problem is English coaching ….. how can you have 10% English coaches in an English league . They are god awful . Bellingham is the smartest English player , gtfo of England early
Let me preface this by saying that I'm a Sporting fan and I really didn't like the way Ruben Amorim left us on a potential historical season to go fight a relegation battle for a club in shambles, so I don't really care if Man Utd loses all games until the end of the season. Also, Ruben Amorim has an aura and a charisma that makes me like listening to him speak about football, and I really like the system he implemented in Sporting and wants to implement in Man Utd. That being said, Sir Alex Ferguson took 4 years to win his first trophy (an FA Cup) and 7 years to win his first PL. Also, please remember that Man Utd, although they had some titles, was not a winning club before SAF joined. They were in the 2nd Division 11 years before SAF. That's less time than has passed since he retired. The idea of Man Utd as a big European club only existed with SAF. They weren't winning before him and went back to not winning after him.
You gotta feel for Amorim, being given such a shit-choice. "Either you come now, or you don't come at all." Only to then be greeted with this absolute mess. Should've kept Ruud. Even the football was watchable with Ruud at the wheel.
@@dhanvanthkarthik1777 Bro compares at least some half decent material with a pensioner with 2 new hips and a worn out knee up front, 4 has-beens, and 6 'never-beens'. Can't make gold from utter shit brother.
I think a difference between United and spurs is United spent a load on players that are mostly supposed to be at least near peaking now on huge wages. Spurs have Bergvall, Gray, Vuskovic, Hyeok, Moore, Lankshire, Kinsky and Phillips not to mention Udogie, Sarr, Johnson, Odobert, Kulu and Spence that are still not fully developed and even players that can still grow and come good in Dragusin, Veliz, Dorrington and Devine. It's a wonderkid farm you'd dream of in FM. Our future looks very bright, the only teeny tiny little problems being that we are incapable of winning anything, a lot of our fans would rather whinge at each other and see Arsenal lose than support the team, oh yeah and we might get relegated.... but otherwise....
We really just got no depth. We had to basically leave 4 player slots empty in the Europa League cause we have no club grown players and it screwed us over since that means Porro and Udogie had to play midweek as soon as the CBs start getting injured. Udogie looked like he could barely run in his last few games before he got injured. Bergvall, Gray, Yang, and Vuskovic were definitely brought in to increase the registration issue but they have to stay with the club for 3 years before they count as homegrown. And that could be a really long 3 years.
ETH built an Eredivisie quality team thats lacking in physicality and aggression required to compete in the Premier League. The defence isnt great but the attack is atrociously poor and has been since 2021, less than 60 goals 3 season in a row and on track to score 50 this season. Amorim has to be given at least as long as Ole and Ten Hag had.
@ I don't think Onana's problem is his physicality and aggression. Martinez problem is definitely not aggression. Physicality, maybe, due to his height. Hojlund's problem is also not physicality and aggression. Casemiro's problem is his age, because he's getting slow and in general he's just not that great. Zirkzee is good. Not really a Ten-Hag signing, it's an INEOS signing. Sure, could be stronger and more aggressive. Malacia is not great, but mostly not suited to this system, and he was injured for a long time.
Newton Heath (Man Utd's name at that time) finished last in the 1st Division in 1893-94 with 6 wins, 2 draws, 22 losses and 14 points. Aston Villa won that season in front of Sunderland and Derby County
have been sayin that for years United is the shitshow, that they actually kept a manager for longer than 5 minutes was a good decision. Although at the end, with the lack of results its also entirely normal that he had to leave.
Tottenham I’d facundo an incredibly crisis that could cripple any team’s season. That and youthful inexperience, it’s a difficult situation. But Man United is a self-made stagnation and backtracking that has no one to blame but themselves
I swear ever since mason greenwood decided to box his gf, this club has been in shambles. And if you look at their squad around that time it was actually a fire team mannnn
Greenwood? What? United in in shambles since Ferguson left. That was 10 years ago. And it has gotten continuously worse with every progressing year. The only outbreak upwards was under Mourinho, for a single season where they got 2nd.
@LiftandCoa United were actually a shambles before Fergie, it was only the fact that he was the GOAT that he was able to pull an aging squad that was lacking in talent over the line one last time. He'd been papering over the cracks ever since Ronaldo was sold.
As a Dane its super frustrating seeing how useless Højlund is in ManU. He was good at Atalanta, but he seems to have completely forgot how to score goals. He is their f'ing striker for god sake, scoring goals is literally what he is hired to do.
@ That's another thing. For United, he simply gets 0 chances. Even when Zirkzee is playing (while he looks better), he's also receiving 0 chances. I'm not sure if it's the same problem for your NT. His problem could be the movement, and the fact he just waits for the ball to come to him, instead of going towards the ball. I always see him dueling against a CB, waiting for the ball, instead of dropping into space so he can make a pass, and then run into space... But hopefully he improves, he's still young. The biggest mistake was not getting a senior striker in at the same time United signed him, because he was never mean to be the starter.
I feel so sad for Amorim, after his amazing stint in my club, he went to a shitshow of a club, where he thought he could bring sucess, and now is getting humiliated
@@Unherist same thing people said about Ten Hag. Now they view him as a bigger bald fraud than Guardiola. I can see the comments in a year going "oh Amorim was only successful in Portugal with one of it's best teams that's producing the world's greatest talents. Anyone can do that, but he couldn't do it on the big stage"
@@Reorganiser They only people calling him out right now are rival club fans, because they love hating on United more than anything. United fans are happy with Amorim, and are fully prepared to stand by him. We all know how shit the team is, and there's nothing he can do in 2 months, with 0 new signings, and without a preseason.
Just dropping in as a Romanian FCSB fan to say that we re level on points with Tottenham in the EL table and I actually think we have a shot at United. We ve been great in Europe this season ngl but that is NOT a good look on either United or Tottenham lol. I like Tottenham, I want them to do well since they have Dragusin and they ve had injuries and all but still, they HAVE to put some more points on the board in the PL (they ve done well in the EL really, cut it close vs Ferencvaros and drew with Rangers but oh well), they ve literally got 1p per game and are in 15th right now. 15TH. Just what? Z led Real to a higher place than that on FM while firing every goalscorer lol. And then United, Christ almighty lads, as Z said, you d think Amorim would give a new manager bounce but no. I don’t necessarily think the talent level is the issue, the players United buys are good before they buy them but then they turn to shit at United and then are good again. Look at Casemiro s fall off, everyone thought that was an incredible coup when they got him, now he s bad too. They honestly might be cursed after their SAF era, still got a few trophies, that one 2nd place under Mou so as far as banter eras go they can still banter Spurs at least. As for City, to be fair United has had a higher net spend than them over the past 10 years iirc so it s not like United just couldn’t compete with City s resources, they just spent badly/it didn’t work out, it s not a PSG in France situation over here (not like the French league wasn’t dominated by Lyon before that, they just changed masters) regardless of City breaking the rules. Anyway, cant wait to play you lads, if CFR once beat a SAF-led United at Old Trafford (still wasnt enough to progress past the group stage with 10p in the 2012-13 CL) we might have a chance here at home, come on lads!🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
I would love for a big 6 club to be relegated at least once during my lifetime because of sheer incompetence. Would really show that no club is too big to fail and splashing cash without a plan will make you crash out.
Nah, this season is just a freak one. Eventually, it would go back to normal with 6 of a big 7 (adding Newcastle, as they'll eventually be able to spend more as they continue to make Europe) always being in the top 7. Forest are playing very well, but Leicester winning the league was not a foretelling of more teams crashing the top 4. Finances still remain top-heavy, the 7th highest revenue generating club in the EPL is closer to the top of the EFL than it is to the 6th in the PL.
You can argue the squad isn't good enough (I agree for the title, but not for Europe) but fundamentally, with or without the FFP, Man Utd is an incredibly massive club in the world. They have fans all over the world watching matches and buying merchandise, the stadium is being filled up every single home game DESPITE reportedly falling apart. A norwegian legendary commentator and Man Utd fan alluded that as long as this is consistent for several years the club can never 'fail' and in my opinion I don't think we'll ever be at risk of relegation. As of 2024, despite over a decade of no league titles and only a handful trophies, Man Utd is STILL the second most valuable club in the world only behind Real Madrid, according to Forbes anyway. I may not be a big fan of Amorim, I was always skeptical to his hiring and I've spoken out about his media management recently, but until he's not the manager anymore I will support him because he's the manager for MY club. I will buckle down and hope he can turn this around because despite what most people are saying, I do think there's a reasonably talented group of players (not all of them obviously) in the squad, players who have proven in the past how good they can be.
Both Man Utd and Sporting have been shafted by Man Utd's determination to steal their manager mid-season instead going for an interim free agent. Sporting lost their monstrous momentum and Man Utd can't seem to take a grip. I can't stress this enough: We need a transfer window for managers Also: Man Utd should start buying disciplined players and not waste their money on players that are too easily compromised
god i wish there was a sudden implementation of actual financial rules in premier league football. If that were the case, Old Trafford would combust instantly
Financially we are still raking in far more than most teams? We don't even get money put in by our owners, they explicitly take it out of the club. Of all the oil money and new big owners pumping revenue streams, you honestly can't be serious going after United. Probably the one big club besides Madrid that is financially sound for ffp
When you look at the last 20+ years in spurs history it hasnt been good AT ALL. And the club has been ran as a business not a football team. So when the owners attempt to try change this after years of doing nothing it will take so many trial and error situations until it works. For me we are very unlucky, massive injuries and owners that dont care. But these players do and so does the manager
As a Man U supporter and someone who watches every minute of every game I can say from my view that we haven’t got the players In depth, we run our half decent players Into the ground then play them tired, fatigued and at times partially Injured. We also haven’t had a healthy LB In 2.5 years. Amorim Is a great coach but he needs the players that fit his style of play and system. I agree the overall quality of players Isn’t upto par but when you switch managers every 5 seconds how are you suppose to get a coherent team together. We are on a downward trend and we haven’t hit the bottom yet. We are restricted by selling to buy and owners that can’t shift the highly paid poor players and the bad attitudes so we are stuck selling players we shouldn’t have to sell to better our team with funds. It goes past the squad and Into the Incompetent glazers sadly..
Im a Manchester Based united fan. Selling to INEOS was always gonna end the way it is. They failed with the INEOS cycling team (was the best cycling team in the world and now irrelevant and losing out on young stars) and failed with other football clubs. With the rot that has set in under the Glaziers (WHO STILL HAVE NOT LEFT) we needed to sell to Jassim to rebuild the club from the ground up. Lets hope that ends up happening because otherwise its only gonna get WORSE not better under INEOS and Glaziers
Im a united supporter but i unironically don't think that there is a single team in la liga, serie a, bundesliga or ligue 1 that would swap any of their first 11 for any of united's first eleven except perhaps bruno.
Tbh this has been a culmination of many bad choices in the past. Man Utd and Tottenham have both made some shocking choices, (Man Utd with Anthony/Mount, Spurs with the lack of defensive signing). Also, Spurs have a huge injury crisis with only 2 real CBs and Archie Gray, a kid who usually plays as a full back or holding mid. Spurs will come out of this rut once they get their player back. However, maybe Postecoglou might have to go, since his style of play creates many injuries which have really led to drop in form. For Man Utd, the whole club is a clown-show and has been for many years. A season like this was always bound to happen given the aging squad, lack of accountability from players and the owners, and large amounts of debt/cuts. I dont think Olley, and Ten Hag were that good, with a boring playing style. RESULTS DONT TELL THE FULL PICTURE. The team hasnt really played consistently good football since 2012, even if Olley, and Ten Hag were able to get some results. Olley entire plan was sit deep, and launch the ball up on the counter. It was never sustainable, even with more players.
Man United and Spurs are in such bad form right now but an underlying stat no one's talking about is, Zealand has not been on a run since the marathon.
It’s not the managers. It’s the structure, Glazers culture around the club. It wasn’t ETHs fault, but everything else around him.. and even though I don’t think Ole was competent enough, he had no chance to succeed either. He didn’t asked to buy Maguire for a record fee. ETH didn’t tell to buy Antony for that insane fee. He didn’t tell Casemiro to head the ball to the strikers so he had a free opportunity at goal. The players can’t make a 5 yard pass. They take too many touches and shoot from stupid angle. They create nothing for the 9s and that’s across multiple managers. This is the logical conclusion of the Glazers running the club. Just look at Sir Alex Ferguson last season. That team had no business in winning the league on paper, but it did. Compare that to earlier iteration of Man Udt and it’s staggering. The standards went to title contentions each year, to just qualify to Champions League, and then the squad became lesser and lesser. Fewer players from the top shelf wanted to join, teams gets less scared to play against United, and it has just been rolling down ever since. No top players, want to join now. No top managers want to join United now, and it just keeps falling off.
You're not wrong about Tottenham showing more life, but lets also be real here. Any player in that Tottenham walks into Uniteds starting 11, as a star player. Romero, Van de Ven, Son, Kulusevski, Porro, Udogie. They are miles better than any player on United. it puts in contrast that maybe Tottenham are unlucky to be where they are, but its also shows just how bad things are with United. They literally have a bottom of the league team. About as exciting as Crystal Palace. And that's harsh on Eze
@@MrCrispy941 Dragusin isn't a starter normally. I do agree, Mazraoui has been really good all things considered this year. But it's not like Porro would walk in and make the team significantly worse. Werner is not a starter. Im talking about their starting 11 when things are good. I'd even argue Bruno or Maddison is a cointoss. But fine, we can put it your way. Tottenhams starting 11 is better in every single position except two, which are just about the same level. Unless Kulusevski plays 10, then we're back to 10 out of 11 players
@@imRehnzy wasn't my intention to be pedantic, I just said it how I saw it, I appreciate now that you meant starters. I agree almost completely. If you take attitude out though I think Fernandes is 5x the player Maddison thinks Maddison is, which is at least twice as good as the actually id
@@MrCrispy941 I don't disagree. I'm not huge on Maddison. Bruno is a real baller but there's something really off about him. The complaining, the failing his arms. It really symbolizes the attitude of united these past years. I don't mean to pick on united, I'm just making the point that Tottenham has a problem but they have some great players in there to solve those problems. United basically has to start over completely, the question is if Bruno will be a positive impact in that rebuild. You were right to point it out though, mazraoui has actually been great. Ugarte has been a good addition too!
How has any money been pumped into the club? The Glazers have invested 45million in 20 years. They even bought us using debt. Where is this notion that they are pumping money into them coming from?
While I understand the sentiment around Tottenham, you can’t ignore the fact they have 15 healthy player since November. They should be fine as long as levy actually buys players
our defense was just fine before he ran the team into the ground due to the injuries. The only blame on putting on Ange at this point is not playing Spence/bergvall earlier and rotation
@@pepper1248 Yes I have. And what does me having played football have to do with this? Ange constantly spoke about being a heavy attacking team, which he has shown, but in his heavy focus on scoring lots of goals, their defence has become a goal waterfall. They concede as much as they score. In his obsession with attack, he has neglected that he has to also focus on defence, that is obvious. They score like a top 4 team, but are in 15th because they concede way too often.
@@LeKNG we play heavy attacking because we don't have strong defenders and we have to work with what we have, so we need to play high risk high reward.
Everton have the longest streak of being in the top flight of English football without getting relegated. They’ve only been threatened with relegation seriously for the past 3 seasons and one of those was thanks to a 10 point deduction. Hardly a history of relegation scraps.
@ yeah no I agree, I just think for one of those teams that’s been there since the dawn of time they’ve come the closest, many times, to being relegated. Yet they always seem to just stay up, and I respect the hell out of that. Maybe you could say it’s their history, but obviously not all their history?
I think you are over exaggerating the competitiveness of forest, Bournemouth ect as we have seen this before with Leicester, they won the league, they top like 3 5th places in a row and then, relegation and now it is looking basically inevitable that they will go down again. HITC Sevens made a great video on this. The top 6 have much higher revenues than the rest. Manchester United have been a shadow of itself for 10 years now, but still are I think the 4 team in the world in terms of revenue.
This may come as an unpopular opinion, but after SAF, Solskjaer was the best one they had if you don't consider Mourinho of course. (Not a United fan, not a super hater either. Contradicting viewpoints are welcome)
The United jersey is too heavy for them. They must feel immense pressure especially at the start if the game as Amorim alluded to. The best investment INEOS can do are top notch sports psychologists
I haven't really watched Footy since Sir Alex left so seeing all these absolutely dogshit performances is painful, especially with the embarrassing excuse of a goalkeeper we have, I am loving that the bottom teams are looking stronger but damn it's a shame how far we have fallen
Man U haven’t had much talent since Sir Alex left. Even in his last season they only had a couple of truly great players there. The players at Man U are good enough to be mid table at best now.
To say OGS did the best is just wrong. He had the least competitive league, in his best season Liverpool and arsenal were failing and he was nowhere near man city. Not to mention the tactics
United's problem starts at the top. Owners are shit, the stadium is in shit condition and it gets worse organisation wise. Coach and players are last elements that are not working.
You didn't mention the glazers or bineios. Why? They are the reason. Glazers has watched us rot stealing money every season. And now we are Everton. You won't talk about that though
If Ange didnt say the word "mate" I'm 1000% convinced he would receive a lot more deserved criticism. What he's done this season so far is nothing short of embarrassing.
With how useless Man United have been, it is incredible how Spurs are below them in 15th, whilst also having scored the 2nd most goals in the league
Bottlejobs billion dollar bottlejobs
At least they have double figure injuries to blame man u have nothing
Not really hard to understand. On average 10 players out a game. Starting cb out, goalkeeper out, 3 wingers out, and other squad players. It's simple really
I actually didn’t realise Spurs were even lower than fellow scroll down side Man Utd. At least they have injury excuses and are entertaining to watch though.
Spurs have the highest injury crisis in Premier League. It's easy to explain it.
If they had fit squad, they would be in top 8.
Yeah they didn't play well yesterday. The players had no sense of urgency, not even running to the ball. Which means you have something in common with them.
😂 the last sentence 😂
That was a good one mate!
Tellin Z how lazy he is with his running is the lords work
Ah yes who could forget the 1893-94 season? I remember it like I was yesterday!
Endrick is that you?
I'm still pissed at that blind lino that ruled Benedict Honey Rodgers offside in the Ipswich Vs Bummersfield game that year. Knew from that moment that we needed to bring tech into the game
It irritates me that we have pundits blaming this on amorim and on ange for spurs' predicament but it's painfully obvious it's down to dreadful ownership for both teams. Blaming the coaches is just really lazy analysis from both pundits and the fans parroting the same sentiment
At the end of the day it's their job to get their teams to play well. They have MORE than enough good players to be way, way ahead of where they are.
Bro man united's squad is dog shit
How is it not Amorim's fault? He took a job, either knowing full well that the team doesn't fit his playstyle or not being smart enough to realize something that everyone can see. He keeps forcing players into positions they cant play, refusing to adapt. He keeps dropping attacking players in favor of players that tickle his ego. He keeps making the same excuses game after game and not fixing anything. He keeps giving players a chance to shine like Bayindir in the FA cup and then going back to the status quo that keeps making the same mistakes. He keeps making public comments about what goes on privately in the dressing room, creating a very unhealthy atmosphere. He keeps making 5 substitutions every single game. How do you think Zirkzee and Hojlund feel when he takes Zirkzee off in the 30th minute, gives Hojlund a chance, and then keeps Zirkzee out until Hojlund plays a bad game, after which he reverses their roles. None of these players feel encouraged, they're scared to take chances, because if they fail, they'll be humiliated in front of the whole world. He might be a good tactics manager, but there's no way for us to know because he's horrific at man management. I wouldn't be surprised to hear some absolute horror stories from that dressing room in a few years' time.
When Manchester City concedes 2 late goals and loses their lead, Guardiola runs to Ortega, starts hugging him and screaming at him that can't blame himself because he played an amazing game. He then goes to the press conference and says, "It's my fault. I can't blame any of the players. Ortega is amazing. Kyle is a legend. Gvardiol is so young and bright." When Manchester United loses, Amorim goes straight to the dressing room, doesn't even say a word to his players in public, and then goes to the press conference and says, "Whoever doesn't give their all will not play. I need time to fix this team. We are playing terribly."
@@petarpelov5302 "Whoever doesn't give their all will not play. I need time to fix this team. We are playing terribly."
is exactly what needs to be said.
@@petarpelov5302Tuchel: come on dude, with Werner and Havertz, i won UCL CWC and Super Cup
I think Everton are actually a great case study in the structure now. Under Moyes v1, consistently top 8, couple 4/5/6 league finishes. There was discussion of them becoming one of the big clubs. But the Moshiri era has proved how hard it is to climb back to a decent spot after consistent poor leadership. The new owners and new stadium might turn it around, but that's no guarantee.
Everton used to be a big club, maybe they will get there again one say
United vs Tottenham will be a heck of a title race in the Championship next season
vs man city also
@@yee_o_saurusHaaland signed a 10 year contract. City have been told or found out somehow that their punishment is basically nothing
El shitico
@ or maybe pep is trying to lock his star player before the bad news drops
Give Tottenham the "almost came back against Everton" d'or
Supposedly, since Amorim started he's had a grand total of 7 training sessions with the whole team available to actually work on tactics and so on, the schedule has been so tight that alçl other sessions lacked players and were only to regain fitness, etc.
the difference I think between Spurs and Man U in their crisies
Spurs have an explanation, their entire defence basically is injured, they're playing an 18 year old kid in defence, out of position, at various points this season they've had a 16 year old CB on the bench, both their starting and back-up keepers are injured, with a slew of players set to come back from late Jan-mid Feb, whilst they won't recover to Top 4 or anything, I can see them quite easily finishing top 10, and maybe with less to play for in the league Ange'll really push for the FA cup, to get just some much needed silverware into the club
whereas Man U, there is no explanation, there is no injury crisis, they are just shit, which is a much worse place to be, they've been in need of a major rebuild probably since fckn Jose left, but a major proper rebuild with blooding of young players hasn't happened, through terrible leadership and management both at a manager level, and a club level
Spurs will likely fix themselves this season when they get some of their key players back, Man U is still years away from being the behemoth they used to be, and with so many teams lined up waiting to take their spots, in the form of Newcastle, Villa, Brighton, Brentford, Man U will find they have a much more difficult time climbing back up then they're probably expecting
we have had luke shaw injured forever, we dont have a single left back, we need to play dalot on lb, where he has been ass because hes not a left back.
@@tornadoduck Luke Shaw is always injured. He's like Richarlison for Spurs. Doesn't count.
@@tornadoduckthat’s still one player. United fans talk about Shaw’s injury status like he’s Messi and when he comes back United will suddenly be 3x as good.
@@tornadoduckif you’re counting on shaw or mount to be fit, you are in for an unpleasant ride
@@shams3831 not the fact hes luke shaw, its just we dont have a left back, that was my point
We Need To Talk About Zealand Not Running
He needs a dog
@@RandomACaptain good call, could he afford Anthony?
We Also Need To Talk About Zealand Saying Olley is a Good Manager. HIS TACTICS ARE DEAD!
Without Amad they would get relegated
Spuds and Man United are so lucky the three promoted sides and Wolves have been so bad. Roy Hodgeson had 24 points after 20 games when he got sacked by Liverpool - largely due to him only being 4 points above the drop. Ange and Amorim are both doing worse than that, points wise, but there's still a large gap between them and the drop. Insane to look at just how strong Leicester and Ipswich looked in the Championship last year.
What I see with Tottenham a lot is, they never ever sign their first target. It almost always feels like they settle for someone half the fanbase hasn't heard of because their much cheaper and it's almost like they expect the cheaper less known player to preform like the hot prospects they're always linked with. No disrespect to their players but some of those guys really make you question how they're on a premier league team at all
I feel bad for Spurs and Ange. At the same you have a list of notable injuries of that team, other teams like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford, Forest, etc. are able to get points against the big 6.
I also think "oh Ange should change tactic" won't work as well as people think. Because you'd be asking their best attacking players to cover for their weaker back 4, which lessens their ability to score overall. And that scoring is the best option for Spurs right now. You play with the cards you have.
We need to talk about Borussia Dortmund!!!
It will be interesting to see if Ineos have committed to having best in class scouting and analytics. It's crazy that Utd allowed themselves to fall behind the likes of Brighton & Brentford in that regard. You'd hope with ave Brailsford history of marginal gains etc that eventually Utd will embrace that world and try to do it better
We've seen 'Moneyball' ideas before, and football isn't as easily analysed as baseball, but it's clear that Utd have been failing at this area for a long time. Even small things like selling McTominay last summer when under the old regime he would have got a bumper new deal or allowed to walk for free.
How well did Moneyball work out for the Oakland A’s? It also worked well for the San Diego Chargers too. Didn’t Team Canada focus on it and lose in hockey? You don’t get trophies by jacking off to analytics.
@@AceKing-h3j the A's revolutionised baseball. It's what helped the Red Sox end their championship curse. Analytics are good but you also need the right IQ for the sport they're used in to use them effectively
@ I mean it’s literally how Brentford and Brighton have found success particularly Brighton.
As for Oakland it did work. They elevated themselves to a level they hadn’t been performing at. It then helped Boston break their curse.
Nobody should do only one thing and data isn’t only part of scouting. Utd can’t be behind others analytics.
@ Then tell me, why are they not in Oakland? Yes, high IQ 🙄. Too bad so many have such low EQ that the analytics obsessed teams are failing. A’s moved. Analytics also encouraged Red Sox to trade Mookie Betts. How are the Red Sox right now after that? Would you give away Messi because of analytics during his peak career because Tiki-Taka was plug and play? You can diagnose and read all about how swim angles work but throw someone who can’t swim in a pool and no amount of analytics will help him from not drowning. You can’t reduce mentality down to a set of numbers. Also, the reason why people watch sports is for the human factor and not because of some stat nerd who can’t interpret anything beyond the numbers.
@ Analytics told Boston to get rid of Mookie Betts. Oakland didn’t win shit with their “revolution” and just moved. Brandon Staley made the Chargers miss the playoffs and was fired. Turned the NBA into 50 3 pt scrimmages that put on a trash product. As mid-tier teams? Analytics always neglect situational factors in clutch moments where games are won and lost and the obvious human factor. Next time you’re so obsessed with analytics, save the relative you have with the best chance to live and let the other die because numbers.
7:36 cheeky thesaurus edit
Not having a left footed left back for over 2 years is absolutely insane and just shows how much of a joke United is.
"My biggest achievement in my career is 2nd place and Europa League with Man Utd" - Jose Mourinho.
This quote let us understand how toxic is that ambient...
Man United just look like a team that's given up, they just want to play out the season and see what kind of housecleaning occurs over the summer. Tottenham, on the other hand, just seem to have no depth. They did fine when their first XI were healthy and played once a week, now that fixtures are congested and Spurs have a run of injuries they're finding that they can't rely on squad depth to see them through. So while Ange might lose his job over that, it'd be a little harsh, the next manager will run into similar issues if Spurs don't work on acquiring quality depth options.
For years, we've been overachieving and this season we are showing our standard. This is our standard because theres no temporary manager bounce that disillusions pundits, fans, viewers that we're 'back' or good again. Under LVG, Jose I remember winning games we shouldn't have won-like we only won because we're United.
I remember that 1893 94 team, had some really good players but really struggled at home
Remember Mark Rashfordinho? Whatta player
@ how could I forget him, he was one of my favourite players in his first few years with the club
That 1st gen Anthony bloodline was doing some serious cooking the next season
Looking at results and coaches will never show you what's actually happening at United. Look at the bigger picture and you'll see the ownership is completely incompetent and intentionally running the club into the ground. They're squeezing profit out of the brand without caring about the football or fans. You could make a 3 hour documentary with no filler about all the rotten things these vampires have done that ruined the team.
You cannot accurately predict or judge this team the way you do other clubs, because it's not run like a football club. It's a brand, being run like a brand, without any of the soul that made it great in the first place. It's like Star Wars in the Disney era, a shell of a thing we used to admire being squeezed for money
Idk why people seem to forget this every year? Did we not have a huge protest only a few years ago? The Glazers don't give a fuck about winning as long as our commercial revenue is up. The club needs to be entirely rebuilt.
No manager, no players, no tactics will just fix this
IMO part of the issue seems to stem from "top" Prem Clubs abandoning the academy system. I dont mean fully but using it to sell young prospects to "lesser" clubs instead of nurturing talent and instilling a philosophy from the start.
Well the “top” clubs have the spending power and want instant success. Why wait 4 years when you can spend £200 million + on established stars and don’t have to worry about ffp compared to the rest of the league?
That logic doesn’t make much sense ….. if top prem clubs kept their academy players or did a better job using them, they would just stay with the top clubs…… top clubs are already top clubs ( rarely change)
The real problem is English coaching ….. how can you have 10% English coaches in an English league . They are god awful . Bellingham is the smartest English player , gtfo of England early
They are a team of individuals playing for themselves and not team playing for the club
Let me preface this by saying that I'm a Sporting fan and I really didn't like the way Ruben Amorim left us on a potential historical season to go fight a relegation battle for a club in shambles, so I don't really care if Man Utd loses all games until the end of the season.
Also, Ruben Amorim has an aura and a charisma that makes me like listening to him speak about football, and I really like the system he implemented in Sporting and wants to implement in Man Utd.
That being said, Sir Alex Ferguson took 4 years to win his first trophy (an FA Cup) and 7 years to win his first PL.
Also, please remember that Man Utd, although they had some titles, was not a winning club before SAF joined. They were in the 2nd Division 11 years before SAF. That's less time than has passed since he retired.
The idea of Man Utd as a big European club only existed with SAF. They weren't winning before him and went back to not winning after him.
We need to talk about …. Alfie coproduction confirmed .
You gotta feel for Amorim, being given such a shit-choice. "Either you come now, or you don't come at all." Only to then be greeted with this absolute mess. Should've kept Ruud. Even the football was watchable with Ruud at the wheel.
Is the football watchable right now at Leichester?
Amorim made the bad choice, he should have stuck with Sporting and in future a big club would have come for him
@@dhanvanthkarthik1777 Bro compares at least some half decent material with a pensioner with 2 new hips and a worn out knee up front, 4 has-beens, and 6 'never-beens'.
Can't make gold from utter shit brother.
Leicester vs Man Utd coming soon
@jonbolton491 truly a relegation battle match for the ages!
It’ll actually make me really sad when Spurs sacks Ange, I’m not even a Spurs fan but I feel like the league is better with him in it.
I think a difference between United and spurs is United spent a load on players that are mostly supposed to be at least near peaking now on huge wages. Spurs have Bergvall, Gray, Vuskovic, Hyeok, Moore, Lankshire, Kinsky and Phillips not to mention Udogie, Sarr, Johnson, Odobert, Kulu and Spence that are still not fully developed and even players that can still grow and come good in Dragusin, Veliz, Dorrington and Devine. It's a wonderkid farm you'd dream of in FM.
Our future looks very bright, the only teeny tiny little problems being that we are incapable of winning anything, a lot of our fans would rather whinge at each other and see Arsenal lose than support the team, oh yeah and we might get relegated.... but otherwise....
We really just got no depth. We had to basically leave 4 player slots empty in the Europa League cause we have no club grown players and it screwed us over since that means Porro and Udogie had to play midweek as soon as the CBs start getting injured. Udogie looked like he could barely run in his last few games before he got injured. Bergvall, Gray, Yang, and Vuskovic were definitely brought in to increase the registration issue but they have to stay with the club for 3 years before they count as homegrown. And that could be a really long 3 years.
ETH built an Eredivisie quality team thats lacking in physicality and aggression required to compete in the Premier League. The defence isnt great but the attack is atrociously poor and has been since 2021, less than 60 goals 3 season in a row and on track to score 50 this season. Amorim has to be given at least as long as Ole and Ten Hag had.
Which ETH signings are lacking in physicality and aggression, and are in your opinion not great for this league - other than Antony?
@@_Diktator Malacia, Onana, Martinez, Hojlund, Zirkzee, Casemiro (had 1 good season but terrible since)
@ I don't think Onana's problem is his physicality and aggression.
Martinez problem is definitely not aggression. Physicality, maybe, due to his height.
Hojlund's problem is also not physicality and aggression.
Casemiro's problem is his age, because he's getting slow and in general he's just not that great.
Zirkzee is good. Not really a Ten-Hag signing, it's an INEOS signing. Sure, could be stronger and more aggressive.
Malacia is not great, but mostly not suited to this system, and he was injured for a long time.
Newton Heath (Man Utd's name at that time) finished last in the 1st Division in 1893-94 with 6 wins, 2 draws, 22 losses and 14 points. Aston Villa won that season in front of Sunderland and Derby County
Honestly, I would love the prem to be become even more competitive.
Spurs are somehow 15th 💀.
Maybe ten haag isn't a bad trainer and man United is much worse then everyone thought
have been sayin that for years
United is the shitshow, that they actually
kept a manager for longer than 5 minutes was a good decision.
Although at the end, with the lack of results its also entirely normal that he had to leave.
Tottenham I’d facundo an incredibly crisis that could cripple any team’s season. That and youthful inexperience, it’s a difficult situation.
But Man United is a self-made stagnation and backtracking that has no one to blame but themselves
I swear ever since mason greenwood decided to box his gf, this club has been in shambles. And if you look at their squad around that time it was actually a fire team mannnn
They should’ve let him play they dumb as fuck
Unfortunately for you you got us during Ruud ball , we were unbeatable.
Greenwood? What?
United in in shambles since Ferguson left. That was 10 years ago. And it has gotten continuously worse with every progressing year.
The only outbreak upwards was under Mourinho, for a single season where they got 2nd.
@LiftandCoa United were actually a shambles before Fergie, it was only the fact that he was the GOAT that he was able to pull an aging squad that was lacking in talent over the line one last time. He'd been papering over the cracks ever since Ronaldo was sold.
I really wish Greenwood hadn't been a plank, because he'd be lethal as a 10 in this Amorim system
As a Dane its super frustrating seeing how useless Højlund is in ManU. He was good at Atalanta, but he seems to have completely forgot how to score goals. He is their f'ing striker for god sake, scoring goals is literally what he is hired to do.
How much service is he getting?... Oh yeah, that's right - nothing. Guy still has one of the best shot/goal conversion rates in the entire EPL.
How can he score goals, when he doesn't get the chances? He didn't forget anything.
@@_Diktator he keeps getting subbed off on our nationalteam cause he doesnt score there either
@ That's another thing.
For United, he simply gets 0 chances. Even when Zirkzee is playing (while he looks better), he's also receiving 0 chances.
I'm not sure if it's the same problem for your NT.
His problem could be the movement, and the fact he just waits for the ball to come to him, instead of going towards the ball.
I always see him dueling against a CB, waiting for the ball, instead of dropping into space so he can make a pass, and then run into space...
But hopefully he improves, he's still young.
The biggest mistake was not getting a senior striker in at the same time United signed him, because he was never mean to be the starter.
Ever since Ruben left Sporting, it seems like no one wants to win the Portuguese League. lol
If only Braga performed well at home...
I feel so sad for Amorim, after his amazing stint in my club, he went to a shitshow of a club, where he thought he could bring sucess, and now is getting humiliated
It's been 2 months, chill. He's got time.
@@Unherist same thing people said about Ten Hag. Now they view him as a bigger bald fraud than Guardiola. I can see the comments in a year going "oh Amorim was only successful in Portugal with one of it's best teams that's producing the world's greatest talents. Anyone can do that, but he couldn't do it on the big stage"
@@Unherist i still believe in him, however its gonna be tiring for him
relax, he will get it right. The whole fanbase bought into his system and now its time for the squad.
@@Reorganiser They only people calling him out right now are rival club fans, because they love hating on United more than anything.
United fans are happy with Amorim, and are fully prepared to stand by him. We all know how shit the team is, and there's nothing he can do in 2 months, with 0 new signings, and without a preseason.
Just dropping in as a Romanian FCSB fan to say that we re level on points with Tottenham in the EL table and I actually think we have a shot at United. We ve been great in Europe this season ngl but that is NOT a good look on either United or Tottenham lol. I like Tottenham, I want them to do well since they have Dragusin and they ve had injuries and all but still, they HAVE to put some more points on the board in the PL (they ve done well in the EL really, cut it close vs Ferencvaros and drew with Rangers but oh well), they ve literally got 1p per game and are in 15th right now. 15TH. Just what? Z led Real to a higher place than that on FM while firing every goalscorer lol.
And then United, Christ almighty lads, as Z said, you d think Amorim would give a new manager bounce but no. I don’t necessarily think the talent level is the issue, the players United buys are good before they buy them but then they turn to shit at United and then are good again. Look at Casemiro s fall off, everyone thought that was an incredible coup when they got him, now he s bad too. They honestly might be cursed after their SAF era, still got a few trophies, that one 2nd place under Mou so as far as banter eras go they can still banter Spurs at least. As for City, to be fair United has had a higher net spend than them over the past 10 years iirc so it s not like United just couldn’t compete with City s resources, they just spent badly/it didn’t work out, it s not a PSG in France situation over here (not like the French league wasn’t dominated by Lyon before that, they just changed masters) regardless of City breaking the rules. Anyway, cant wait to play you lads, if CFR once beat a SAF-led United at Old Trafford (still wasnt enough to progress past the group stage with 10p in the 2012-13 CL) we might have a chance here at home, come on lads!🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
I would love for a big 6 club to be relegated at least once during my lifetime because of sheer incompetence. Would really show that no club is too big to fail and splashing cash without a plan will make you crash out.
Nah, this season is just a freak one. Eventually, it would go back to normal with 6 of a big 7 (adding Newcastle, as they'll eventually be able to spend more as they continue to make Europe) always being in the top 7. Forest are playing very well, but Leicester winning the league was not a foretelling of more teams crashing the top 4. Finances still remain top-heavy, the 7th highest revenue generating club in the EPL is closer to the top of the EFL than it is to the 6th in the PL.
Regarding Spurs...... have U seen their injury list? they are recruiting people of the street to be able to fill their bench
You can argue the squad isn't good enough (I agree for the title, but not for Europe) but fundamentally, with or without the FFP, Man Utd is an incredibly massive club in the world. They have fans all over the world watching matches and buying merchandise, the stadium is being filled up every single home game DESPITE reportedly falling apart. A norwegian legendary commentator and Man Utd fan alluded that as long as this is consistent for several years the club can never 'fail' and in my opinion I don't think we'll ever be at risk of relegation. As of 2024, despite over a decade of no league titles and only a handful trophies, Man Utd is STILL the second most valuable club in the world only behind Real Madrid, according to Forbes anyway.
I may not be a big fan of Amorim, I was always skeptical to his hiring and I've spoken out about his media management recently, but until he's not the manager anymore I will support him because he's the manager for MY club. I will buckle down and hope he can turn this around because despite what most people are saying, I do think there's a reasonably talented group of players (not all of them obviously) in the squad, players who have proven in the past how good they can be.
Both Man Utd and Sporting have been shafted by Man Utd's determination to steal their manager mid-season instead going for an interim free agent.
Sporting lost their monstrous momentum and Man Utd can't seem to take a grip.
I can't stress this enough: We need a transfer window for managers
Also: Man Utd should start buying disciplined players and not waste their money on players that are too easily compromised
Don’t think we didn’t notice you forgetting Ralf Rangnick at 1:47 😂
Just remember Tottenham's injuries.
Ah, Man United's 1893-94 season, when they weren't even Man United yet. (The club was named Newton Heath until 1902)
god i wish there was a sudden implementation of actual financial rules in premier league football. If that were the case, Old Trafford would combust instantly
Financially we are still raking in far more than most teams? We don't even get money put in by our owners, they explicitly take it out of the club.
Of all the oil money and new big owners pumping revenue streams, you honestly can't be serious going after United. Probably the one big club besides Madrid that is financially sound for ffp
When you look at the last 20+ years in spurs history it hasnt been good AT ALL. And the club has been ran as a business not a football team. So when the owners attempt to try change this after years of doing nothing it will take so many trial and error situations until it works. For me we are very unlucky, massive injuries and owners that dont care. But these players do and so does the manager
Cl Final --> "last 20 years not good at all"
@@LiftandCoa no trophy?
As a Man U supporter and someone who watches every minute of every game I can say from my view that we haven’t got the players In depth, we run our half decent players Into the ground then play them tired, fatigued and at times partially Injured. We also haven’t had a healthy LB In 2.5 years. Amorim Is a great coach but he needs the players that fit his style of play and system. I agree the overall quality of players Isn’t upto par but when you switch managers every 5 seconds how are you suppose to get a coherent team together. We are on a downward trend and we haven’t hit the bottom yet. We are restricted by selling to buy and owners that can’t shift the highly paid poor players and the bad attitudes so we are stuck selling players we shouldn’t have to sell to better our team with funds. It goes past the squad and Into the Incompetent glazers sadly..
Im a Manchester Based united fan. Selling to INEOS was always gonna end the way it is. They failed with the INEOS cycling team (was the best cycling team in the world and now irrelevant and losing out on young stars) and failed with other football clubs. With the rot that has set in under the Glaziers (WHO STILL HAVE NOT LEFT) we needed to sell to Jassim to rebuild the club from the ground up. Lets hope that ends up happening because otherwise its only gonna get WORSE not better under INEOS and Glaziers
I thought HITC Sport did a collab with you for a second 😅
Could be a Vizeh title too tbf
HITC Sevens
Sounds just like me in any normal conversation
Im a united supporter but i unironically don't think that there is a single team in la liga, serie a, bundesliga or ligue 1 that would swap any of their first 11 for any of united's first eleven except perhaps bruno.
Tbh this has been a culmination of many bad choices in the past. Man Utd and Tottenham have both made some shocking choices, (Man Utd with Anthony/Mount, Spurs with the lack of defensive signing). Also, Spurs have a huge injury crisis with only 2 real CBs and Archie Gray, a kid who usually plays as a full back or holding mid. Spurs will come out of this rut once they get their player back. However, maybe Postecoglou might have to go, since his style of play creates many injuries which have really led to drop in form. For Man Utd, the whole club is a clown-show and has been for many years. A season like this was always bound to happen given the aging squad, lack of accountability from players and the owners, and large amounts of debt/cuts. I dont think Olley, and Ten Hag were that good, with a boring playing style. RESULTS DONT TELL THE FULL PICTURE. The team hasnt really played consistently good football since 2012, even if Olley, and Ten Hag were able to get some results. Olley entire plan was sit deep, and launch the ball up on the counter. It was never sustainable, even with more players.
danm right
Man United and Spurs are in such bad form right now but an underlying stat no one's talking about is, Zealand has not been on a run since the marathon.
There goes my hopes of a dortmund video. Were in 10th. Do we get Zealandism attention?
Glory Glory Man United! As the reds go marching to the Championship!!!
Spurs have a lot of injuries too to be fair
It's almost as if when clubs are ran better for years, they leap frog the teams not running well. Crazy
I think we also need to talk about your Hairline and its correlation with going to Turkey
Spurs have like 7 starting players out injured
It’s not the managers. It’s the structure, Glazers culture around the club. It wasn’t ETHs fault, but everything else around him.. and even though I don’t think Ole was competent enough, he had no chance to succeed either. He didn’t asked to buy Maguire for a record fee. ETH didn’t tell to buy Antony for that insane fee. He didn’t tell Casemiro to head the ball to the strikers so he had a free opportunity at goal. The players can’t make a 5 yard pass. They take too many touches and shoot from stupid angle. They create nothing for the 9s and that’s across multiple managers.
This is the logical conclusion of the Glazers running the club. Just look at Sir Alex Ferguson last season. That team had no business in winning the league on paper, but it did. Compare that to earlier iteration of Man Udt and it’s staggering.
The standards went to title contentions each year, to just qualify to Champions League, and then the squad became lesser and lesser. Fewer players from the top shelf wanted to join, teams gets less scared to play against United, and it has just been rolling down ever since. No top players, want to join now. No top managers want to join United now, and it just keeps falling off.
I just feel for the guy that said he's not getting a haircut until United wins 5 games in a row
You're not wrong about Tottenham showing more life, but lets also be real here.
Any player in that Tottenham walks into Uniteds starting 11, as a star player. Romero, Van de Ven, Son, Kulusevski, Porro, Udogie. They are miles better than any player on United. it puts in contrast that maybe Tottenham are unlucky to be where they are, but its also shows just how bad things are with United. They literally have a bottom of the league team. About as exciting as Crystal Palace. And that's harsh on Eze
Dragusin doesnt get in. Porro doesnt get in over Mazroui, Werner doesnt get in. I have no horse but your statement is just untrue
@@MrCrispy941 Dragusin isn't a starter normally. I do agree, Mazraoui has been really good all things considered this year. But it's not like Porro would walk in and make the team significantly worse. Werner is not a starter. Im talking about their starting 11 when things are good. I'd even argue Bruno or Maddison is a cointoss.
But fine, we can put it your way. Tottenhams starting 11 is better in every single position except two, which are just about the same level. Unless Kulusevski plays 10, then we're back to 10 out of 11 players
@@imRehnzy wasn't my intention to be pedantic, I just said it how I saw it, I appreciate now that you meant starters. I agree almost completely. If you take attitude out though I think Fernandes is 5x the player Maddison thinks Maddison is, which is at least twice as good as the actually id
@@MrCrispy941 I don't disagree. I'm not huge on Maddison. Bruno is a real baller but there's something really off about him. The complaining, the failing his arms. It really symbolizes the attitude of united these past years.
I don't mean to pick on united, I'm just making the point that Tottenham has a problem but they have some great players in there to solve those problems.
United basically has to start over completely, the question is if Bruno will be a positive impact in that rebuild.
You were right to point it out though, mazraoui has actually been great. Ugarte has been a good addition too!
To this day I’m still frustrated that Chelsea drew with Manchester United. That was our easiest game of the season
Dude no kidding we were so shit that day. Incredibly disappointing
No mate, We need to talk about Forest bro❤
COYR x FTID
It took 35 years of pumping egregious amounts of money into the club, but United are finally back to default settings
How has any money been pumped into the club? The Glazers have invested 45million in 20 years. They even bought us using debt.
Where is this notion that they are pumping money into them coming from?
While I understand the sentiment around Tottenham, you can’t ignore the fact they have 15 healthy player since November. They should be fine as long as levy actually buys players
Or Ange finally realises that defence is important
@@LeKNG have you ever even played the game at all? video games do not count.
our defense was just fine before he ran the team into the ground due to the injuries. The only blame on putting on Ange at this point is not playing Spence/bergvall earlier and rotation
@@pepper1248 Yes I have. And what does me having played football have to do with this?
Ange constantly spoke about being a heavy attacking team, which he has shown, but in his heavy focus on scoring lots of goals, their defence has become a goal waterfall. They concede as much as they score.
In his obsession with attack, he has neglected that he has to also focus on defence, that is obvious. They score like a top 4 team, but are in 15th because they concede way too often.
@@LeKNG we play heavy attacking because we don't have strong defenders and we have to work with what we have, so we need to play high risk high reward.
8:08 it is ze history of ze Everton
Everton have the longest streak of being in the top flight of English football without getting relegated. They’ve only been threatened with relegation seriously for the past 3 seasons and one of those was thanks to a 10 point deduction. Hardly a history of relegation scraps.
@ yeah no I agree, I just think for one of those teams that’s been there since the dawn of time they’ve come the closest, many times, to being relegated. Yet they always seem to just stay up, and I respect the hell out of that. Maybe you could say it’s their history, but obviously not all their history?
Infrastructure advantages? The infrastructure is what has been holding the club back and it’s finally changing…
I think you are over exaggerating the competitiveness of forest, Bournemouth ect as we have seen this before with Leicester, they won the league, they top like 3 5th places in a row and then, relegation and now it is looking basically inevitable that they will go down again. HITC Sevens made a great video on this. The top 6 have much higher revenues than the rest. Manchester United have been a shadow of itself for 10 years now, but still are I think the 4 team in the world in terms of revenue.
This may come as an unpopular opinion, but after SAF, Solskjaer was the best one they had if you don't consider Mourinho of course.
(Not a United fan, not a super hater either. Contradicting viewpoints are welcome)
Even if SAF still on his prime I doubt he will be able to elevate this team
00:10 considering you have admitted to a fascination for Onana, may I suggest you start a new -ism channel called Onanism?
The United jersey is too heavy for them. They must feel immense pressure especially at the start if the game as Amorim alluded to. The best investment INEOS can do are top notch sports psychologists
check out the swiss super league, i have never seen such a close season
I swear on my ancestors Servette needs to wake tf up and win it.
How they draw with Liverpool suspicious
Anything can happen in football
We Need To Talk About Zealand’s Lack Of Running
We really don't.
Seriously, why is Yanited and Spurs still considered Big 6 clubs?
I haven't really watched Footy since Sir Alex left so seeing all these absolutely dogshit performances is painful, especially with the embarrassing excuse of a goalkeeper we have, I am loving that the bottom teams are looking stronger but damn it's a shame how far we have fallen
Man U haven’t had much talent since Sir Alex left. Even in his last season they only had a couple of truly great players there.
The players at Man U are good enough to be mid table at best now.
Who is this mysterious rolf rognick?
To say OGS did the best is just wrong. He had the least competitive league, in his best season Liverpool and arsenal were failing and he was nowhere near man city. Not to mention the tactics
this good thing
I for one hope both clubs continue in this dreadful fashion.
I LOVE man Uniteds pain
I don't want it to ever end
Pain pain and more pain FOREVER
YAWA (you'll always walk alone) 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guy can't hold his bitterness against City 😂
United's problem starts at the top. Owners are shit, the stadium is in shit condition and it gets worse organisation wise. Coach and players are last elements that are not working.
Feel like these videos are specifically 40% too long
How's spurs ended up bellow them
No we don't. Just leave them to it - it's funnier that way.
How did this video about Tottenham failing turn into a man utd bashing video?
More sp- vivaciousness 🤣 it's ok Z, you can say it
You didn't mention the glazers or bineios. Why? They are the reason. Glazers has watched us rot stealing money every season. And now we are Everton. You won't talk about that though
What about Tottenham?
try watching the video before commenting
If Ange didnt say the word "mate" I'm 1000% convinced he would receive a lot more deserved criticism. What he's done this season so far is nothing short of embarrassing.
There’s only so much you can do when you have literally no defense
@ElspyRL Other than coaching the players you have, right.
@ wdym, the players we have are attackers and midfielders, and they have the second most goals in the league