Should you ride 24 or 32 spokes? Well, it might depend on your frame!
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2021
- #JeffKendallWeed #IndustryNine
I’ve been riding the Industry Nine Enduro 315 wheels for a couple years now. I’ve had the 32 spoke variant for two years, and mounted to a few different bikes, and I’ve had the 24 spoke wheels on my Yeti SB130LR and Ibis Ripley AF. I went ahead and swapped the wheels a couple months back, and this has put my in the unique position of being able to A-B compare these wheels on 2 different bikes!
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In short, I’ve found a balanced bike works best. A stiff frame (like the Ripley AF) will make a softer wheelset feel a little off kilter for bigger impacts, and a flexible frame will feel odd with a super stiff wheelset. I fell in love with the Yeti with the 24 hole wheels- a great balance that worked awesome for real life trail riding scenarios. The Ripley AF worked best with the 32 spoke wheels.
Changing it up and swapping the wheels was a great experience- and while both bikes ride just fine with the “wrong” spoke counts, the overall experience was slightly better when taking overall bike feel into account when selecting the spoke count.
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Jeff, IMO, this is the only MTB channel worth watching, with any consistency, any more. There’s always something to learn from you. Keep up the awesome work.
How, there are so many good channels that are worth watching other than him.
Great Video!
I ride a gravel bike. I have a 24h Dt swiss 460 to replace the 32h fulcrum wheels. Takeaways.
1. Weight is not as important as overall features
2. Wheel dimensions are also important to consider
3. Ride feel is more comfortable on 24h, better acceleration, better climbing
4. 32h feels like a faster top speed. Stiffer.
5. PR were so far faster on heavier 32h stock wheels.
6. Tires are very important, finding a good match for your riding may take time.
If I was Riding open and able to maintain high speed without braking a lot 32h
In city start and stop, climbing 24h.
I recently met in the middle on my more aggressive bike and went 28h on a somewhat recent wheel build, but decided to use strong/light CX-Ray spokes. So far they have been perfect, no issues and not even needing an tension adjustment after about 800 miles on them so far.
You’re the man Jeff! Love that you don’t dumb your reviews down. Feels like I got to try both spoke counts for myself! 🍻
Hahahaha thanks Pado!!!
Lots of variables, man.
Us big bois need to run more spokes if we don't want to cook wheels on the regular.
I ride steel hardtail, and I ride aluminum rims (for a number of reasons). I'm on team 32 for life- the weight difference is negligible for me, and the durability difference is meaningful.
There you go! Ya I9 has a 260lb weight limit on 32h carbon E315 wheels, and 220lbs on the 24h. I'll probably go more for 32h in the future too.
@@JeffKendallWeed Is that weight limit rider only, or rider + bike? Ultimately that's what I need to know as I'm on the heavy side at 102 ish KG.
@@iffy_too4289 if it's still relevant for you
it does not matter that much. it depends much more on how hard you ride
I weight 95kg without gear and ride ex511 27.5 rims + 2/1.8/2 28 spokes
I didn't have any issues with the rims nor the spokes
But I'm a beginner rider, I jump some stuff, but not more than 1m drops to flat usually
Im 110kg and ride 28 spokes dt swiss with a max weight of 150kg
@@iffy_too4289 rider and bike yes
Such an underrated channel! Really like these long in dept reviews.
Thanks Rob!!!
This is vid is full of sick riding, it would be a highlight reel for most riders. Back on topic, some bikes come with 28 spoke wheels and for me they don't hold up that great so I always "upgrade" to 32 hole/spoke wheels when they fail but that requires a new 32 hole hub$$$.
Very Helpful Video!!
I really liked this. Lots of info but no industry BS. Cheers :)
Riding like you on Fire! . Nice and smooth sailing.
Thans Enri-k! Cheers!
Great content as always! Just bought myself a nukeproof horizon v2 set and love it. I am heavy weighing rider though..
Solution? newmen EVOLUTION SL E.G.30 with 28 spokes
What's a Newmen?
@@JeffKendallWeed the brands name :P
@@JeffKendallWeed they actually build pretty tough rims with a great strength to weight ratio.
Recently subbed...I enjoyed watching you Manual. This is a good vid to watch...you're a very good rider (imo). Classy, and some awesome trails. I say this without having all the info...32 spokes for myself (stronger wheel). Please more Manuals and Wheelies. Cheers.
Awsome video Jeff, thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge; I notice you showed your Cromag HT in the video but didn't mention how the wheels felt on the HT... I'm thinking to buy an HT to spice my riding pleasure soon and I will like to pick your brain. Keep the good content flowing 🤘😎
You saw the Chromag in the video?! Where?! I don't remember including it at all!!! Hahaha! I was just riding my Chromag yesterday, but I have only ridden 32 spoke wheels on there. About to try some carbon units ASAP, looking for more compliance!
@@JeffKendallWeed Cool, looking forward to watch the video 🤘😎
@@JeffKendallWeed it's right at the beginning in the bike stand haha
Just got my new bike and these videos are coming in super handy
Congrats on the new bike!!!
@@JeffKendallWeed thanks Jeff, super stoked with it (the yeti arc)
and you are my favourite mtb youtuber, your channel is so underrated
Well said.👏
Great videos dude 👍
I put a fox 36 140mm on my Ripley AF and ordered the DVO topaz for the rear.
Fork is a great upgrade. Did you feel more stability with the dvo topaz vs the float fps on jump lines?
I can definitely see how both have their advantages (and I can also see why some brands go for a middle-of-the-road 28h rim), but as a big and heavy rider I'll always pick a 32h for its higher weight limit. If you're 250lb+ there's a decent chance 32h is your only option.
Some dt swiss e bike wheels ( can be used on normal just stronger ) have 28 spokes and a max weight of a whopping 330lbs
But WHAT IF you lace the 32's up 2 cross?
I kid! Great video Jeff, lots of fun insight and thought experimentation.
I'd love to see a video with a 24H front, 32H rear. Rider weight also plays a factor in hole count - perhaps speak to that in next video?
Hey Joe:
EN315 24h weight limit: 220 lbs
EN315 32h weight limit: 260 lbs
Great video Jeff! Definitely made me feel better about going with WR1 Unions 32h. Although i do know that Crankbros Sysnthesis wheeler have 32h in the rear and 28h up front. I almost went that direction with my spoke count but in the end just stuck with full 32h. What kind of feeling are you looking for when determining frame stiffness?
More crosses would mean a longer spoke, which in theory should be more forgiving too. But I don't think thats nearly as noticeable as the overall spoke count. We're talking about 25% fewer spokes here.
Admittedly I’ve never tried a 24h wheel but for me 28h is the best compromise, being stiff enough for berm slapping, while being compliant enough for rooty trails. One thing I would like to add is that less spokes don’t just add compliance but the added flex also makes the bike feel more alive. I went from a 32h 4x laced wheelset to the DT EX1501 (previous rims were EX471s), what I noticed right away was the bike feeling lighter (weight difference in reality was negligable and in the centre of the wheel, Hope hubs vs 240s) and just more playful. Felt like the bike loaded in turns, rollers, undulations etc then gave that energy back in a nice and controlled way. On another bike I run RF Arc wheels, which feel very stiff but ‘pingy’ out of corners, like they flex and rebound in a more explosive way.
Cool to see that mtbers are finally realising that wheels are also quite important in terms of handling.
I rode the SB130 LR Turq, felt stiff and likely the reason it bagged me to ride it hard. I would be interested in ypur view of the Revel Rascal.. this is my current sled and love it.
As a heavy rider, I've used 32 hole for all my wheels, even on the road bike. I'd consider fewer than 32 on Berd's UHMWPE spokes or Industry Nine's aluminum spokes, but for most conventional wheels I want to stick with 32. I recently acquired a 28 spoke set of DT M1700 wheels, and if those blow up, the hubs are going into a Berd build or going to a friend.
Are Berd spokes the carbon fiber units?
@@JeffKendallWeed Ultra-high molecular weight polyethylene.
I like the observation about having the wheel stiffness match the frame. However, I'm leaning towards 24 spoke wheels for a hardtail for compliance. Which would you run on a steel hardtail?
@Jeff Kendall-Weed I couldn't help but notice how low you run your seat. Do you ever find your rear tire buzzing your seat?
I would like to see the same comparison on a hardtail bike. I love my I9 Enduro wheels on my Yeti SB5. I just bought a Yeti ARC and I'm having a hard time deciding what wheelset I want to upgrade to.
I really want one of those. What do you think of your ARC so far?
I'm running 32 spoke wheels. I never knew 24 was an option. I've seen 28s but never 24s for mountain bikes.
Yeah a lot of Santa Cruz bikes come with 28 h, but the I9s have been 24 for ages. I'm blown away at how well they've been holding up- and I ain't been gentle with them! I9 says 220lbs is the weight limit for 24h, so ya 32h is stronger (and stiffer), but a lot of folks would really enjoy the extra forgiveness of the 24h builds.
Im riding 28 spokes, but only because that was what my bike came with, and when I got a new rear wheel, I just made sure to get something with the same amount of spokes
Fair point Jim!!!
You feel like it would be better to build a 24 spoke wheel with more expensive spokes? Or a 32 spoke wheel with cheaper spokes?
Great video! Love my AF and don’t ride it hard enough to feel the flex (I’m working on this). Interested to know your opinions of the DVO on the ripley AF versus the fox stuff you’re usually riding.
Hey Brent, thanks for the note! The Ripley AF is a GREAT bike, surprisingly stiffer than the Ripmo AF. The DVO is OK. I am really disappointed that the fork doesn't fit a real fender, so I can only use the fork for a few months. And lately it's gotten stickier than Id like. The rear shock is good, but on such a short travel bike, Im going back to the little Float that came with it so that I can fit a bigger water bottle. I have max volume reducers in it currently, but I can do that with the Fox too.
@@JeffKendallWeed thanks for your insight. I had problems with my DVO diamond. They determined it had bushing issues and it’s all good now.
I went with 32 spoke 315’s because when kitted out I’m a svelte 240lbs so extra spokes make for stronger wheels. Edited to say I have these wheels on my 2020 27.5 Stump Jumper as well as my 2021 Yeti SB150 which is a 29r.
Good call Travis! And nice quiver!
EN315 24h weight limit: 220 lbs
EN315 32h weight limit: 260 lbs
whats with the moar???
Hey Jeff- building an SB130LR sounds like your preference is the 24 wheels but which i9 set I was looking at the ENDURO 315 CARBON 24H. What do you recommend
I remember the good old days when spoke count was 36 and 32 for XC lol. Won't lie I also had a 48 spoke rear wheel on my DJ 🤣🤣🤣
Hahahaha I had 48h front and rear on my BMX for years!!!!
@@JeffKendallWeed oh for BMX that was standard for sure. I'm talking about my 26" MTB DJ'er dia-tech 135mm 48hole HG hub 😁
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Hi Jeff, I too recently purchased a Yeti SB130 LR and ride in PHX area. Your thoughts on a Chain Guard as depicted in your video? What brand do you recommend? Blue skies, Jg
Hey John, I'm a BIG fan of the extra bash protection that is built into most guides. I have E13 units on a few bikes and really appreciate them. I'd much rather smash a bash taco than break a chain!!!
wait...so what is the weight difference between the 2 wheel sets????
I have no idea, but it's not a significant difference IMO. The main difference is more compliance with the fewer spokes.
How are you liking the DVO on the Ripley
It's OK, the fork has more stiction than I'd like, and does not fit a fender, so I'm about to pull it off. The rear shock has been pretty good though!
Curious if you manage to try both wheelsets on your hardtail? :)
Nope, hardtail is a 27.5, and the 24h carbon wheels are 29".
I ride hardtails, and I was curious about the same thing!
You're riding doesn't look like it suffers under any situations.
I am looking for a budget pair of wheels and i found Shimano WH-MT500 (24 spokes). The bike is a hard tail and i use it for XC. My weight is about 90kg. Do you believe that i will have problems, or 24 spokes wheels have about the same rigidity?
I am i the same situation, did u buy those wheels? Are they any good?
@@Jensua4 I bought those about 15days ago. I put probably around 100kms since then. The build quality seems good and also, they look very nice. Of course, they need little bit truing after the first kms, because as i have read every machined made wheel (pretty much all budget wheels) have some uneven spoke tension, and needs to be fixed. I think that after truing, they will hold pretty well. The rims is general are fatter and seem to be stronger than those you can find on budget MTB' s.
24 is ridiculous; you will have to re-true that wheel frequently and it will break spokes for sure. If you are a heavy aggressive rider you will smash that wheel. Run 32 spokes and you can use a thinner diameter spoke (1.8mm) to compensate for the weight. I build my wheelsets and I like to run a 28 up front and a 32 on the rear(rear takes the majority of the weight/impact). Having to constantly repair wheels to shave off grams is crazy.
I had to tension the 24h wheel once after absolutely sending it for over 6 months. That's the benefit of a carbon rim- a ton stronger than aluminum. 24 and 32 spoke build up to be nearly the same weight anyhow. 8 spokes doesn't weigh much at all.
Dunno... I think the i9 alloy spoked wheels are the only wheels that do 24 spokes. Ive ridden 32 vs 28 steel spoked wheels. And yes. They very different. But... im 230 lbs.
totally valid point!
what about 28 spoke
36 spokes on the rear of my HC HT ; )
WOW that's a ton! I'm all about that CushCore life on the hardtail- and am curious about 24 spokes on that bike, too. I'd like a touch more compliance there.
@@JeffKendallWeed it’s a set of HUNT endurowide, 32 front, 36 rear, 33mm internal, aluminium. I’m around 100kg naked and 190cm tall, my local trails are pretty rough, so I need all the support available! Now I’m also running an insert in the rear, mazza 29 2.6 trail casing with airliner: dropped a handful of psi, now enjoying the added compliance, worrying less about denying the rim.
Wouldn’t the cross also make a difference
Some dt swiss 28 spokes can handle 150kg load
With rims getting wider and laterally stiffer 32 spokes are probably overkill unless you ride like Jeff or are of a certain weight.
Totally!!! That was the point of the video- a lot of folks will probably really enjoy a strong rim with a 24 spoke build.
I’m pretty sure people who use titanium spokes run 24 on a 32 hole hub/rim 🤪
I would put good money up for a bet that what you "feel" and what is measured using torsional force on a press would not correlate. I'm a mechanical engineer, and the extra stiffness provided by 8 extra spokes does not contribute enough to the total to make be believe you can feel it. I think what you're actually feeling is more related to the weight and a predetermined inclination based on you expectations. id like to see some real measurements. if this was a blind test, I bet you'd not be able to tell the difference.
28 it is! 😆
Hahaha sounds like you have a Santa Cruz?!
@@JeffKendallWeed haha no! I have a new Stumpjumper (28 spokes) and a Devinci Troy (32 spokes)
I ride whatever my bike came with 😂 older ENVE AM rims
Hahahaha awesome Abassi!!!
My mind is a sponge.
Hahahahaha!!!!
Anyone remember 20 years ago people running 24 steel spoked radial laced wheels? Talk about dumb trends.
LOL but radial lacing looks SWEET! Hahaha! I didn't mind the radially laced wheels with V-brakes. The old Bontrager Maverick Asym rims lasted me a long time.
Ok, but why did you spell more like that ( moar ). I need to know!
Because internet!
36 spokes is for a 29er, what 32 spokes are for 26'' rims.
If you don't like skinny alloy, but overbuilt carbon hoops, you can save on spokes instead.