John MacArthur: Why Did Jesus Have to Die?
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2015
- Many skeptics have argued that the Christian doctrine of the atonement is inherently unjust. How is it just, they say, for an innocent man like Jesus to be punished for the sins of another? Even professing evangelicals have questioned the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, with one going so far as to call it "cosmic child abuse." In this lecture, Dr. John MacArthur looks at the biblical doctrine of the atonement showing how the righteousness and holiness of God are upheld in it.
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I have been bingeing on Jesus through Pastor MacArthurs sermons. I love how much he loves Christ and never dilutes the Word of God. May God bless and protect this selfless servant. Amen!
Amen
I been a new Christian for two year and I honestly encountered God . I am married to Muslim, but I didn’t know it was a sin . I cannot divorce . Thank you Jesus for the encounter . I believe in you.
Why are you not allowed to divorce?
@@humbleness5864 Bible says basically, for Start, unless she’s on faithful, he would not have grounds for divorce… But I’ve heard some more current preachers say that I can’t remember what it was, but something about had to do with being unequally yoked… There might be an allowance… But I’m not sure about that one… I’ve always learned back in the 70s that the only reason would be for infidelity on her part…
@@bogatsosboo927 : The unevenly yoked advice is to do before marrying.
1 Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband is alive. But if her husband should fall asleep in death, she is free to be married to whomever she wants, ONLY IN THE LORD.
Once a person is married, and becomes a Christian, he or she will have to be faithful to their spouse.
1 Peter 3:3 In the same way, you wives, be in subjection to your husbands, so that if ANY ARE NOT OBEDIENT TO THE WORD, they may be won without a word through the conduct of their wives, 2 because of having been eyewitnesses of your chaste conduct together with deep respect.
Though this advice is given to wives, it applies to both husband and wives.
Hope this is helpful.
Brother continue to follow Christ. And love your wife. She will see you and maybe it will change her and make her want to understand Christ. It’s been a year since you commented but I hope you are well, God bless you!
Being married to a Muslim isn't a sin, O man!
Thankyou Pastor Johnny Mac for reminding the redeemed ones to do the work of evangelism.
In a time with so much falsehood and betrayal it is great to hear the word preached and taught in true form. Thanks brother.
How do you determine that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to interpreting the Bible though?
@@privateprivate1865 Read the bible, listen to him. Compare and contrast and decide for yourself whether hes on the mark or not.
@@privateprivate1865 many years of study led by the holy Spirit you should study yourself and see good luck
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I hear Dr. Mac often gets a bad rap though I've yet to find a single thing wrong with his teachings. What I have heard him do was give the best gospel presentation I've heard to date when he was on Ben Shapiro's show and shared it with Ben. You can check it out here on UA-cam if you haven't already!
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His preaching is offensive - sadly all these denominations and there ridiculous beliefs go against scripture.
They like there religious theatrical ways. But scripture is scripture it must be preached taught as is given to us which Johnny Mac does
@@chandrenchety2706 his preaching is offensive to those that dont belong to GOD. Jesus preachibg was also offensive so much to the point that he was crucified!... examine your heart to see if you are in the faith.
He gets a bad rap because he speaks truth from God's Word
Again, like he stated... the remnant is very small.
Agree 100%
Blessed are we who hear, and understand the truth and believe ,and obey Jesus Christ, Lord and the Savior.
The amazing thing is, we can not take credit for it. It is all HIM
Isaiah 44:6-7, psalm 146:3. You have been deceived by the harlot church.
After I've been blessed by the Holy Spirit by every wisdom I have heard from these men, I am then filled with tremendous joy to know there are still so many men and women (comment section) who love and embrace sound Doctrine and biblical teaching. I could never thank God enough for that! Let's pray for our brothers and sisters still trapped in the word of faith, prosperity gospel, as well as the new age movement circus.
Amen. Same ❤️
Not to mention cults like JWs, Mormons, Scientologists and Islam-
I’m stuck in that exact problem at the moment my wife grew up in the crazy charasmatic movement and her mum has taught her it’s okay to watch the victory channel and believe the so called prophets 🙈 please pray for me my name is Tyrone and my wife is becs and her mum and dad 🙏
Ggggggggggghghgghgggghggggvv
I love MacArthur sooooooo much! I am sooo blessed to be able to attend his Church and have this oasis available in the middle of the this spiritual desert we live in. I will be honest, I’m already anticipating when MacArthur steps down from his Pastoral office that it will be a hard period for me for many reasons. It will definitely take me time to get used to whoever ends up filling his place. Under his leadership I have grown in such immense ways! Makes what I came out from even more stark. If you want deep sanctifying work to be made in your life listen to John MacArthur!
The clarity of his exegesis of scripture has blessed me tremendously
I AM BLESSED BY THE LORD JESUS CHRIST TO HAVE FOUND JOHNNY MAC. YOU ARE A BLESSED ONE TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON.
ANOTHER GREAT ONE IS R. C. SPROUL, I MISS HIM GREATLY, THE MAN TOLD IT LIKE IT IS. HE STILL HAS VIDEOS ON YOU TUBE.
Please consider the way you dress and take public pictures. This is not modest.
Shalom
Sorry that this was not the intention of your comment, but I love language and your way of expressing yourself with the words "and have this oasis available in the middle of the this spiritual desert" just caught my attention. Well written.
“isn’t loving JESUS sooooooo much” better ? Love JESUS love JESUS Love JESUS
Thank you so much pastor I always enjoy listening to your teachings. We need more teachers of Jesus Christ like you these days.
This was one of the most beautiful sermons iv ever heard from John. Thank you. God bless.
Who can listen to this and not cry, who can listen to this and not realize the magnitude and implications, of a godless life. The repercussions from generation to generation. All the lost souls, past, present and future. Heartbreaking and gratefulness simultaneously. The Lord will ultimately decide. And we are without excuse.
Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it.
Proverbs 22:6
From generation to generation. Knowing we will see our loved ones again. I wish he would've mentioned the Holy Spirit, and the importance of it.
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A thrilling exposition of the facts, from a consistent preacher of truth from God's word. Thank you Lord for John MacArthur 🙏
My young daughter has been asking me this question thanks for this message.
God bless you John... So beautiful sermon .... I really appreciated this moment. Good for our spirit .
Hello from France
Pastor John MacArthur Is and amazing servant of God and his Expository preaching is the best way to preach to a world full of sinners...that need to understand the message of the cross and the richness of its divine truth ...Christ Alone is all we need and we need to pray of our family and friends that are in the dark ...that By Gods sovereign Grace that he will draw them to him through saving faith in Christ Jesus.Amen 🙏 .
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Yet jesus spoke in parables
So they wouldn't understand
Explained all to his disciples!
This was a truely informative and eye opening teaching! I am so fortunate Christ took my si debt on that cross…. I dont even know how I can fully thank Him, except to have a heart FULL of thanksgiving and to try to live up to my Gift! 💕💕💕
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touching story about the coach-thank GOD
So true and More touching Ps. John Mc-Arthur👌🏾💖👏🏾 persistent (52 years later)… sharing Gospel to Coach even under Oxygen in Hospital
Excellent sermon! Thank you thank you. What difficult is when people don't believe in sin! (Denial) (pride)...We pray for them, it's an inside job.
There is nothing we can do to be saved.. It is God's choice. He will Grant mercy to whom he will Grant mercy.. So keep preaching reconciliation.. They that have ears will hear.. I was very confused about this.. why God didn't offer grace to all But he is sovereign and he is righteous and we are his creation.. It's not up to us to try to correct God. We are all wretched sinners.. But for some reason and I don't know why He chose me As an elect of God That's the creation of all things.. Praise be the name of Jesus And thank you brother McArthur And brother Sprol..l was ready for meat.. And you've taught me so much.. I've been watching A bunch of Sprol's videos and didn't know he was home.. What a legacy.. He was dead 3 years Before I found him.. He's still teaching..
Besides his commitment to convey the Bible in its entirety ...the very fact that he's arbitrarily ministering to the lost in the middle seat on an airplane rather than boasting about owning a personal jet is one of the reasons I love Pastor MacArthur and invariably turn his sound preachings and teachings which greatly reflects his integrity ...and why I will trust that he is preaching the true Gospel and leading people to true Christianity.
Wow . Amen. God is so good , this is a question I have always battled with. He answered every single one, down to the details . Even the questions I thought God would never answer me in this lifetime . Thank you Jesus. You really are real
Hearing sermons like these, I always remember RC's question concerning redemption........
What is God saving us from? 🤔
His righteous judgment! 😣🙏
God is saving us from God and to God.
And ask
What is God saving us for?
As in “How then shall we live?”
@@larryellis5675 God is saving us from death - where God cannot love us and we cannot love Him or anyone else. We are His children and the objects of His constant love. It would be an act of pure selfishness to refuse an invitation to be restored to perfect health forever on a paradise planet as an adopted child of God's own family to a God who only want the best for His children in every way - and has the Way and means to provide pleasures forevermore that have no regrets attached.
You are being SAVED from the FIRE THATS COMING.
]t took God to vindicate God,the only sinless man.think about that.the Son of man only did what his Father told Him via the spirit who is also God,3 yet 1 I love Gods' word.meditate and u will know Him better and love Him more
Thought provoking preaching sermon on
reconciliation of God in Christ. Preached
cross of Christ. Thank you.
It was God in Christ on the cross reconciling man to Himself..." 2 Corinthians 5:19
I have listened to this sermon twice and will need to do so many more times. It is messages like this that will get Christians out to work and spread the true gospel....James in WA ST
I am proud of Jesus Lord more and more by listening to Ps Mcarthur' expositions of the Bible.
So true and more completely dedicated to obey and serve Him💖🙏🏾, The Lord👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Why did Jesus died and go to hell for 3 days? Can you explain more?
Thanks John worldwide teaching God 🙏 bless I hope you are well.
Jesus had to open the heavenly dimension Only He could do that through His immense suffering and death. THANKS BE TO GOD
Actually you must crucify your own flesh so the heavenly dimension can be opened to you. No one did it for you. Rev 21:7, Rev 3:21. Everyone must die for their own inquity as stated thruout the bible.
Thank You Jesus for Loving us So. 💘
Please pray that God saves me (I'm falsely converted) and that He softens my heart
Thanks
I don't understand your comment. If you are aware that you are falsely converted, just get truly converted. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to save you and nothing else.
What makes you so sure your conversion is false?
In younger days that used to be proof to myself that God has moved into my heart… And that he would soften my heart… And times their moments of anger with situation‘s… And I turn it over to him instantly in my heart… Nothing outwardly… Nobody sees anything… It’s all happening inside my soul… But I hear God and I feel him wash away that anger… And replace it with just a little tidbit of joy! Praise his name…
BEAUTIFUL message of LOVE: GOD'S
Loving this message and tearing up in 2024!
What a GREAT Word 👍🏾👍🏾
“On the cross, God looked at Christ and saw you, now God looks at you and sees Christ.”Pastor John MacArthur 💥
Thank you Pstr. john
Press on in Christ. Blessed are the feet of those that bring good tidings.
What a sermon! Thank God for a pastor like this!
John is an excellent preacher. I have learned a lot from him.
Beautiful.
After the fall of Adam and Eve, the world was in darkness with sin and none could ascend to Heaven to see or face God. Good people were placed in certain locations like Abraham's Bosom or the Paradise. ((where Jesus rescued the good Thief on Good Friday stating "Today (not after 3 days of Resurrection ) I'll see you in Paradise")). God chose his only Son who had to willingly faced death to rescue the lost o souls and open the Gates of Heaven for us too by his Divine power of God.(other previous prophets couldn't to rescue souls through death since they were not of divine origin). And Jesus is always there in his Majestic youth to care and save us.
The Jewish mythology was based on Adam and Lilith. The Christian theologians changed the story to Adam and Eve. By the way, (within theology), if Adam was the first man that the god created, who was there to see the god create Adam, to be able to later write the story? If you don't ask pertinent questions of the dogmas, you will never "be able" to spot the lies.
@@junevandermark952 God divinely inspired the holy Scriptures and therefore we have them.
The theology of Adam and Lilith was popular in Judaism, long before the Christians plagiarized the story to suit their own aims. And the Jews, at one time were polytheists, with beliefs in many gods. The stories are all based on human imagination ... not on truth. “We are all hallucinating all the time, including right now. It’s just that when we agree about our hallucinations, we call that reality. Anil Seth” … neuroscientist.
@@ethanmeraz6477 As a child, raised in a Christian culture, I often wondered why the Jews had a name for their monotheistic (one) god … Jehovah … and the Christians only mentioned the word “Father.” Now, I understand that the Christians tried to imply that that one god no longer loved the Jews, and changed his focus instead to loving only the Christians. I suggest that within theology, god theft ought to be against the law. At least when the Jews were polytheists, with belief in many gods, there were plenty of gods with names for everyone. If they got fed up with how a god was treating them, they fired the god, and created one that was more cooperative to their systems of belief. As an 82 years of age person, I now believe, as did Stephen Hawking (before he died) ... that the universe always existed, no creator, or plan ever was involved.
@@junevandermark952 Adam knew God, Adam spoke to God, Jesus WAS in the Garden of Eden (God The Son),, Jesus was in the garden and He told Adam that He is THE TREE OF LIFE ,,, And that is true,,,,,, And Lucifer was in the garden And He was called THE TREE OF GOOD & EVIL................... There is NO DOUBT that Pastor McArthur says things that is NOT TRUE and I KNOW THIS MORE THAN ANYONE WHO CALLS THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS OR SAVED BECAUSE IT IS THESE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO ARE THE ONES TO NOT LISTEN TO.......... I don't want you to die without Jesus Christ but you will never get to Heaven by listening to these filthy hypocrites on youtube..... The reason why you never got a response from God to answer your question of BELIEVE HE EXISTS is because of 2 Things,,,,,,, #1 is You MUST believe that God does exist and #2, And This is the HUGE reason why even people are Hypocrites and are going to Hell when they say they are not is To Not Believe In The Teachings of All These Pastor on here ( If anyone believes they are going to heaven by believing what these Preachers believe and are teaching WILL BE FOOLED IN THE END AFTER THEY FIND OUT WHEN GOD TELLS THEM I NEVER KNEW YOU),,,,,, The KJV HOLY BIBLE does say in a verse that God Will Say on Judgement Day that *"" I Never Knew You, Prepare For The Devil And His Angels""*,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Do you know who he is going to say this to ?????? THE ANSWER IS,, TO THE ONES WHO SAY THEY ARE SAVED,,, It would be senseless to say that to people who admit to going to Hell that knows they are not christians,,,, According to the Bible It Is The Ones Who Say They Are Saved and That Is Why God Will Say Those Words,,,,, People today who say they are saved don't make any sense of the Bible and they will surely pay by going to Hell as the Unsaved Who admits it !!!!!!!! But Don't Go In Life Without Believing That God Is.Not Real Because He Is Real and If you believe the things I have told you then HE WILL PRESENT HIMSELF TO YOU !!!!!!!!!
Wow god bless our brother and sister in Christ
I was just telling my mother that it would b something to see John Macarthur & R..C Sproul & John Piper playing golf & how we'd b asking for their autographs. And how they might say their not famous ...but to mother & I it's not the things or people of this world interest us, but people of our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ..praise Jesus for He is Risen Indeed.!!!
23 But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. 24 Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much [d]grain.
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am [e]lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
John 12:23-33
Well done
The way that you know is simple: Matthew 7:20-21 That's all that
matters all day EVERY DAY! Stay away from the "prophecy" pushers!
Praise God for this Pastor and all he professes and his love for all us Christians.Amen and Amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
The intro hits different now that Sproul is in glory
From South Africa. God bless.
Hello
I love how the words come out of this man , I love how he says it , honest
He conducted himself well and love his mean what he says Deep Vibes Thank You 🙏🏽 thank you very much God Bless you all amen !!!
Sorry I’m. Exhausted 🥱
Faith is believing in the unseen and don't ever question God stay humble and kind rather than richousness kind and compasionate
Just like former Israel. Man is evil and wicked to the core. You are too. You need Jesus
And check your spelling so your words make sense.
Thanks Jesus
To prove his word about eternal life by returning after.
I THANK YOU LORD YOU BECAME SIN FOR US..I THANK YOU FOR THE FINISHED WORK AT THE CROSS I THANK YOU FOR SAVING A SINNER LIKE ME BRINGING ME OUT FROM THE DARKNESS OF SIN AND SHAME WHERE I WAS STUCK .FORGIVING ME. CLEANSING ME.TRANSFORMING ME AND GIVING A RENEWED MIND AND A RIGHT SPIRIT IN ME. TO KNOW YOU AND TO SERVE YOU. THERE IS NO GOD LIKE YOU I AM NOT ASHAMED TO SPEAK OF THE POWER OF THE TRUE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. ..IT TRANSFORMED MY LIFE I AM NIOW A NEW CREATION IN CHRIST..THERE IS HOPE FOR THE HOPELESS AND ALL WHO WILL BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF JESUS..HE DID IT FOR ME. JUST CRY OUT TO HIM HE WILL ANSWER. TRUE REPENTANCE AND TURNING AWAY FROM SIN IS THE BEST THING A SINNER CAN DO..JUST ONLY BELIEVE! GOD CAN SAVE YOU..
God bless. But i have a question. Was the same thing not happening in OT? Did they not have the holy spirit to cleanse them, etc then? What s the difference with Jesus death?
Psalm 146:3, Isaiah 44:6-7. Jesus is not God and he did not die for your sins. Hebrews 5:7, Psalm 18, 41, 91.
The truth will set you free fromvthe lies of the catholic church.
@@jdaze1 the scriptures you quote prove nothing. You do not have understanding of the trinity. The trinity is one and the same. I ll pray for God to give you understanding. God bless you my friend
@@stefaniakonstantinidou981 LOL. I was a trinitarian for 55 years dear. I know the lie concocted by Rome very well. I suggest you start over and read the OT before you try to decipher the NT. Isaiah 44:6-7. I guess you're going to call Yhwh a liar?
@@jdaze1 isaiah 44 does not say Jesus is not GOD. It says apart frm me there is no God. But It was God who took the form of Jesus and came to Earth. So Jesus and God are the same. God send His son, who is not separate from Him, He was the same, God died for us on the cross. Jesus and God are one and the same
The answer is so simple. If Jesus had stood at the foot of the cross and promised the criminal paradise, then left and died of old age, would anyone have believed Him?
I think you may have missed something here?
Listen 🎧 again
@@anthonycarfagno5306 take another look at the cross. Mr McArthur has an idea what happened on the cross but it is not correct. His close friend Sproul once said that he had studied the cross for 50 years but always felt as though he had missed something. He was not wrong. They have missed the Glory of Jesus as He hung on the cross.
Simple question..... Who was the judge of all flesh while Jesus hung on the cross?
No one. Judgement hasnt occured yet.
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I’ll bet your dying to tell us,, in a manner of speaking of course,, lol
It is God's inestimable love that Jesus didn't have to die, He did it voluntarily for us because we are lost otherwise. The Prophet Isaiah wrote, "He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, by his stripes we are healed, and the Lord laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Jesus dying was the plan before time began.
Thanks.
Love you lord.
Bless you John, your best and bless sermon I have ever come across, God bless you so much👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Bbbbb.
John is Briiliant. Reminds me of Derek Prince. Thank you for ALL you do
Forgiveness was available upon the blood shed of Christ, not upon belief because the barrier (sin) was removed when Jesus said it is Finished
(Plan of Salvation) was complete. That barrier was the only thing keeping us separated from our Holy GOD.
*Forgiveness happened on the Cross
*Salvation happens in your heart
2 separate words, 2 separate calendar dates & 2 separate meanings
Due to the Father/God Unchangeable Holy Laws. We chose to eat the tree in te Garden of Eden but we were Decieved. And he loved us and he made us. Now we have a chance to go to Heaven
I have a question does this type of church ⛪ does weddings???? Am curious!!!!
This may have been one of the best expository sermons, distinguishing Christianity from every other religion that has ever been and why it is said that we have the good news of the Gospel.
God takes lives remember that he is the only one we are all disposal he doesn't need us we need him
Can you tell me why God would bring billions into existence knowing beforehand that they would be rebels and would then experience eternal conscious torment or be annihilated after a few short years of life? What the hell for? Why would He bother to do such a useless, horrific act? Does God not do everything with excellence and perfection and with a grand purpose? What is perfect and excellent and grand about what MacArthur preaches?
thanks
I think therefore I am but what am I ?but I thought that's all I needed
But as John has said anyone who knows love Knows God the Father
Without love in our hearts we really don't know God we only think of him
Now and then I love the story of the prodigal son!!!! God the father Shane Shames himself by running to his son
forgetting what he did !!! Rejoicing!!!
For his son is back with a repentive heart and mind! Reason to throw a party . The father thru his son is begging us, quite obiviously ,By the birth, his ministry, horirid crucifiction
and Unbelievable resurrection,
This should convince us to repent
and tottally believe!!!???
And let his infinite love overwhelm us!!
There is know way to understand this
till we are born again, being as a child
Thankfully we have annointed preaching 🤩🤙🤩🤩🤩 Thank you Pastor and all the trully reformed !!!!
You make it so clear and unobstucted
to even the simple minded,casting down all heritics preaching falsehoods
I will pray for your protection, for the Snake , is surely after you constantly!!!
wish i was able to attend your church
but thank the father for streaming on the internet without censorship!!
Mark
❤ Christ is King
If Jesus died for our sins why does it matter if we sin? I’m a Christian and I kinda have an answer for this but I just wanted to see what people say about this.
My what a wonderful teaching I am so blessed to hear this message
Thanks for the blessings.
If you don't know God name he won't know yours. God Judge you in measure he has compassion on you
Although many Christians have a certain theological desire that connects them, still the orphan, the widow and the stranger in the gates are usually ignored, women suppressed in the name of the Lord -hence the burning core of the bible and heart of Jesus Christ is ignored. One may want to die for one's theology, but be far from the LORD and eternity with Him. Repent.
Love covers a multitude of sins that's your lifeline live for God and live selfless
Romans 3:23, "All have sinned & fallen short [missed the mark] of the glory of God." All are born in sin therefore all need forgiveness. Since the penalty for sin is death, Jesus Christ took all men's & women's sin upon Himself & took our sin & death upon Himself so all who receive Him as Lord & Savior can receive forgiveness & eternal life.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:18 John MacArthur emphasizes that reconciliation is initiated by the offended party, which in this case is God.
07:00 MacArthur underscores that God is a Savior by nature, not reluctant to save sinners.
11:46 He highlights that God's saving nature is demonstrated even to non-believers in temporal ways.
27:02 MacArthur uses the parable of the prodigal son to illustrate God's nature as a reconciler who eagerly welcomes and restores repentant sinners.
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Hey, I'm a strong Christian who believes everything in the Bible and what was taught here. I have a question. Because Jesus took on the sins of those who would believe in him on the cross, and God treated him as we deserve to be treated (separation from God and death), why does Jesus not get infinitely separated from God, as we would be had we not believed in Jesus and had our sins removed? Is it because he is all powerful and infinite?
Jesus never sinned. Jesus is fully God.
He took our sins upon Himself on the cross. On the cross it was finished. Jesus didn’t take our sins into heaven. :) hope this helps
@@jesuslovesyou2946 It does. I was able to figure out that because he's infinite, and perfect, he can take the sins of everyone infinitely.
It's a very good question, and related to one I've had, which I've only somewhat reconciled -- why do we say that God sacrificed His only begotten Son, Jesus, when we also say that Jesus didn't actually die?
@@donaldjoy4023 Well, He did die, but death has no control of Jesus, literally. Jesus chose to die with our sins, even though He didn't stay dead. I think the reason Jesus doesn't have to suffer for eternity is because he is eternal. His eternalness pays everything in full, we can't do that.
@@braedynhoward3644 That's what I'm saying. What sacrifice?
Just like all of us, because he was born.
Amen
An interesting myth of Baal tells of his battle with the god Mot, whose name means “death” (KTU 1.5-1.6). The storm god is defeated by Mot and dies, descending into the underworld. Later, Baal’s sister Anat defeats Mot and rescues Baal (KTU 1.6.ii.26-27). The myth is an allegory for the agricultural season. The god of storm arises during his proper season. A number of historians see these myths of Baal as the catalysts for later religious innovations. Baal’s death and resurrection is viewed by some as the origin for later beliefs about dying and rising savior gods and belief in life after death (J. Day 2000, pp. 116-27). Baal’s defeat of Yamm, the sea god, is thought by some to be the origin of the later tale of Israel’s exodus through the Red Sea (compare Isaiah 51:9-10) (Kloos 1986).
Reading only the Bible, we will not understand that mystery.
But I have an idea:
Jesus said: love your neighbor as yourself;
But now another formula appears:
Love others more than yourself, to the point of dying for their salvation!
as long as people search for God in a religious way they will never find him. did God create the universe?
I pray for bible preaching
The assertion in question pertains to an intricate theological debate that has been the subject of extensive discourse and contemplation within the Christian faith. The passage alludes to the concept of the Trinity, a fundamental tenet in Christian theology which posits that God exists as three distinct persons-Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit-yet is one God. This paradoxical doctrine has been a focal point of contemplation and interpretation, particularly in relation to the nature of Jesus Christ and the implications of his crucifixion.
In 1st Timothy 6:16, the notion of God's immortality is presented, which prompts a contemplation of the implications surrounding the belief that Jesus, as part of the trinity, experienced mortality through his crucifixion. This line of reasoning leads to a pivotal theological quandary: if Jesus' flesh, as an integral aspect of the Trinity, indeed perished, does this, in essence, imply a temporary dissolution of a component of the divine essence? If so, this notion seemingly contradicts the concept of God's immortality, thereby presenting a theological conundrum that necessitates a nuanced and thoughtful exploration.
Consequently, the subsequent dichotomy posits that if the flesh of Jesus is not considered a constituent element of the Trinity, it follows that Jesus may not be unequivocally identified as God incarnate. This line of reasoning leads to a profound and profound theological inquiry that delves into the nature of Jesus' divinity and the essentiality of his sacrificial act. The crux of the matter lies in the implication that, should Jesus not be recognized as an inseparable aspect of the divine Trinity, the redemptive significance of his sacrifice could potentially be called into question, thus challenging the very foundation of Christian soteriology.
This intricate theological puzzle necessitates a comprehensive examination of the nature of the Trinity, the hypostatic union of Christ, and the profound implications of his salvific work. Furthermore, it underscores the necessity of engaging in rigorous theological reflection and dialogue to navigate the complexities inherent in reconciling the mortality of Jesus' flesh with the overarching concept of God's immutability and eternality.
in a sermon from MacArthur telling of Jesus on the cross and one of the two men crucified along side him referred to Jesus as Yeshua.
Why do we not call him Yeshua ? John MacArthur does in church. Please explain.
Blessed be God in Mary Most Holy for She in God's Almighty power provided us the Precious Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ as EXPIATION and ATONEMENT for our sins and that of the whole world ( 1 St. JOHN chapter 2 verse 1 to 3
AMDG SAG JMJ SEMPER DEO GRATIAS ET MARIE
Amen.
Powerful sermon
Slain before the foundation of the world!
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Get a Women with good Faith who can still look at you like that even within old age.
Ain't that the truth.
The early church never had any dispute over the doctrine of sin before Augustine. When Augustine formulated his doctrine it was a new idea and that is why the Greek church fathers rejected it.
Augustine formulated his theory from his interpretation of Romans 5:12. He theorized that we all sinned “in” Adam. The early church had never interpreted Romans 5:12 this way. The early church believed that we sin “because” Adam sinned. They believed that Adam was guilty for his own sin. In the same sense we are guilty for our own sins. They did not believe that Adams sin corrupted human nature. What they believed is that we received a Mortal Nature from Adam, not a sinful nature.
The reason for this is found in the two verses that follow Romans 5:12. It reads: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Vs 13 says that the men who lived from Adam to Moses had not sinned after the “similitude of Adams transgression. The reason their sin was not like Adams sin was for three reasons. First Adam was the first man. Second Adam was the first man to sin. Thirdly Adams sin brought death into creation. These men who lived after Adam to Moses were sinners. But it says that their sin was NOT imputed to them because the Torah had not been given yet. This clearly shows that these men had no “imputed guilt” from Adam. In fact they had no guilt reckoned to them at all because the law had not been given. Augustine could have easily corrected his interpretation of Romans 5:12 if he had read vs 13 because it contradicts his theory of imputed guilt to all men. These men who lived after Adam had no imputed or reckoned guilt because there was no Torah.
In vs 14 it says that these men who lived after Adam had a more central problem. Adams transgression had placed them under the reign of death. This is confirmed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:56 when he says that “The sting of death is sin.” It was Adams first sin that had brought all men under the slavery and captivity of death. For that reason the wages of Adams sin for Adam was death. For all other men after Adam the “sting of death is sin. This is what is called the two dimensional aspects of sin. Both aspects are true, but the the bigger problem for us is death. It was also the central problem for these men who lived after Adam.
Also this passage Identifies Adam as a Type of the one who is to come. This is universally interpreted to mean that Adam was a TYPE of Christ, The one who is to come or the second Adam. The next observation here is that Adam is a TYPE who sets up a PATTERN of the one who is to come. This is why the Bible teaches " that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to DECAY and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time". Romans 8:21,22. Cyril of Alexandria , Our nature became "diseased...through the sin of one". It is not guilt that is passed on, for the church fathers; it is a condition, a disease". The creation itself has been warped now that death is here, and since we are part of creation our relation to it is not the same. We are not in Eden any longer. So this is why the early church saw Adam as primarily giving us a Mortal Nature not a sinful nature. Our expressions of depravity are from the condition of death that has entered the world.
Since Adam has Headship Paul lays out the fulfillment of the second Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:21 “For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being”; Christ who is the second Adam. The fulfillment of the pattern between the first and second Adam here is obvious. Adams sin brings death. Christ brings life.
The western tradition by adopting Augustine’s doctrine of Original Sin or imputed guilt has shifted the emphasis from death to sin as the central problem that man faces. This emphasis is the very opposite of how the early church saw the purpose of the incarnation of Christ and his work on the cross. The scripture defines the work of Christ in Hebrews 2:14, 15. “Forasmuch then as the children are partaker’s of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.” Also 1 John 3:8 “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” So the early church saw the work of Christ as defeating the devil who held the power of death over men.
By shifting the problem to sin instead of death as the central problem the Protestant Reformers invented the doctrine of Penal Substitution. They saw the central problem as sin and not death.
I would make another point here. The early church believed that Christ in the incarnation took on a Mortal Nature and by doing so enters into his creation that has been infected by death. It would have been impossible for the incarnation to occur if Christ had taken on a sinful nature from Mary. Instead when you understand that Christ takes on a Mortal Nature it becomes more obvious that by assuming a MORTAL Nature Christ subjects himself to the power of death so that He might defeat the central problem we face. By defeating death sin is defeated. The work of Christ is not about satisfying God’s wrath. God in his love is bringing justice to our oppressors. Satan, sin and death. This is the deeper understanding of the Atonement.God does not have to beat Jesus up on the cross so that God can stop being mad at you.
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What's with all this old man when u fail to see Mary importance . plus howz this reasonings profit us soul?
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The importance of Many, let me ask, was Mary the only girl GOD could have used? The answers no, so her willingness to be used can be admired and seen as an example for use but that's it.
The the response is that God chose Mary to be the God bearer. You can ask hypothetical questions about anything that God does. But the point is that God chose and used Mary to bear Jesus Christ. The scripture says that Mary is highly favored among woman. When the Archangel Gabriel spoke to her, the Blessed Virgin could have refused God’s request to bear His Son. Her positive response to the Archangel Gabriel plays an important part in salvation. As St. Irenaeus of Lyon wrote, "Mary is the second Eve, whose obedience liberates humanity from the consequences of the disobedience of the first Eve. For this reason, on the Feast of the Nativity of Mary, Orthodox Christians sing, “ … the Mother of Life, who is the renewal of the creation of Adam and the recall of Eve, the fountain of incorruption, the liberation from corruption, through whom we have been deified and delivered from death, is born of the seed of David, dispersing darkness.” Mary could have refused to bear Christ, but she chose to obey God. Mary’s obedience is an example of synergy, or cooperation, with God.
Randy Churchill since you reject substitutal atonement, why did Jesus have to die on the cross?
It's clearly a great injustice if God chooses to die only for those who will become his friends [John 13v15]
He wants to be your friend too.
Why should God be your friend if you keep rejecting Him?
@@frankwalter9705 What then of Grace? Sounds like a salvation by works
Why do you call God unjust? You don’t befriend everyone…do you?….but chose who you want to be friends with! Doesn’t God have the same prerogative? Plus…His ways are above our ways…and His thoughts above ours! We’re mere creatures.…created by God…we have no right to call the Potter on the carpet…we’re mere clay…dust! By rights we all deserve Hell. The question we should be asking is why did He save anyone!🤔
It’s not a mega church. It’s a conference
When we say: Christ died to save us, we have several problems:
- Christ knew that it was impossible for Him to die, for God cannot die;
- Christ was "dead" three days. But the concept of death is to cease to exist and not disappear for just three days! How can this be understood as sacrifice?
- How does God accept as a sacrifice for the salvation of humanity, a passing pain and a near-death?
There is a lack of information here that makes this process serious and not symbolic...
Natural death and spiritual death are two different kinds of death with different consequences.... everyone dies naturally once, and most will die spiritually, being the second death(which isn't like natural death because our souls live forever, but spiritual death is eternal separation from God, therefore at the behest of whatever the lake of fire and all the other demons have in store for said person). Christ knew he would die, but he still had to withstand being human, being tempted, enduring suffering, all the worst of humanity... and ultimately serve his bride (his people, the church). Once you understand the natural world and the spiritual world from God's perspective, and at the same time, if you believe God to be true, and truthful then it will make more sense.
Jesus die for our sins so we could be saved and have eternal life with the lord 🙏🏻
Sadly Mcarthur thinks Jesus doesn't die for everyone's sins.
How does one know for sure they're saved following John Calvin's theology?
I would ask the same thing for those who put free will on a pedestal. Why do people have the idea that God is pleading and begging man to make a good choice, but the instant they make that choice they are locked in to going to heaven. If man truly was able to freely choose salvation, then it is only logically consistent that they would then be able to freely choose to not be saved again. In that system, your salvation is as sure as the direction of the wind.
@@douglasmcnay644 how would they know if they are the elect?
In my old Reformed church there was one man honest enough to say he had no idea if he was or not. He would find out when he died and if he wasn't that was ok becsuse it was God's sovereign will and who was he to question. Hence the reason I left this gobbledygook behjnd decades ago.
How does one know they are saved following John Calvin’s philosophy! Far greater assurance in Reformed theology than following Arminian philosophy! In Arminianism you choose Christ…and as long as you continue to choose Christ you’ll make it to Heaven! It really depends on you!! In Reformed theology…Christ chooses you….and also keeps you…and promises you’ll never perish… but…presents you faultless before the throne of grace!! It really depends on Him!! That’s the difference!😊
The idea that God would not be just to forgive sin without taking it out on a substitute, is error.
To forgive is to love, and to love is to be just.
Love is at the top of the tree and so needs not justifiy itself to anyone or anything, a fact commensurate with the fact that God is love and God is at the top of the tree.
Substitutionary atonement implies that the law is an institution separate to God which God must pay attention to and satisfy. Its foundation therefore is legalism, for its premise is that God is under the law.
But rather, Christ's death was simply demonstration of His death to self with regard to her who had been given to Him by the Father (on the proviso that He would never demand anything of her). For such (otherwise) demands constituted the law: in order to demonstrate that He would never use the law against her who had been given to Him by the Father, the Son had to go under the hammer of that very law.
Which He indeed did. For the Jews were correct in their accusation that He broke the first commandment when He declared that He was equal with God (by declaring He was God's son). And so their crucifying of Him was indeed correct according to the law.
And so we understand why it is that the apostle declares that "the law is not of faith": if it were of faith, it would not have crucified Him who declared in faith that He was God.
Christ came as groom to receive His bride, and so being no pleasure-seeking fornicator, He would show her she was joint heir with Him by going under the law which had (otherwise) implied she was less than He.
This in turn would prove to the Spirit that this very Christ was our very true Husband, and so the Spirit could enter us in confidence declaring this to be so.
So then:
1. The Father betrothed us to the Son on the condition that the Son would never demand anything of us - that indeed the government would be upon His shoulders rather than ours.
2. The Son learned obedience by the things He suffered, and in particular by going under the hammer of the very law which had (otherwise) constituted such demands.
3. By virtue of (2), the Spirit could enter us as the exhaustive proxy of the Son, declaring to us that this very Jesus Christ is our very true Husband who will love us as Himself.
So:
(1) is the Father's giving of His daughter as wife to the Son.
(2) is the Son's proving to the Father of His worthiness of the Father's prized possession.
(3) is the consummation of the marriage (analgous to the human sexual union).
So the correct idea is expressed via the marital paradigm.
See then the "Atonement" section at colossians.freeforums.net
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Christ died in our place. For the wages of sin is death. Simple yet unimaginably complex. More than just centered around law of that time period. He experienced death so that we won’t have to if we place our trust in Him. Even a child can understand.
And yes, Jesus does demand from us our utmost faith in Him and love for Him. First commandment
@@PAT3978 No, the situation is as I have stated. The correct paradigm is not substitutionary, but marital. If you wish to progress in your knowledge of God, you would do well to digest what I have written.
@@PAT3978 Jesus is God, and God is love, and "love does not demand". So you are necessarily wrong.
Lawrence lol ok.
If God will, I suggest you might consider the following. The reason why we, Roman Catholics, turn to the mother of Jesus and ask her to pray to God the Father, to the Holy Spirit and her Son, Jesus Christ, for our intentions is that we understand that God can do everything by Himself and that He doesn’t need a creature to do anything. Still, it is His will to allow His Human creatures to participate in the manifestation of Love. You see, God could choose to keep the ability to manifest Love or Christian Charity for Him alone, but He has decided that He would let us do it too. Just like a father allows his son to work with him. The father is allowing his son to do as he does. Consider this: At the wedding of Cana, Jesus could have done the miracle of the wine without the request of His mother. Why didn’t He do it before His mother asked Him? Another example: Why does God ask us to pray and intercede one for the other? He could always give us what we needed without waiting for our participation (our prayers). Yet, He doe. Perhaps He has created us to participate in His Love/Charity. ...” “Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. ' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbour as yourself.
God bless you.
Jesus had to die because being a human, we need more sacrifice on a daily basis than people realize. From a cop making sacrificing a life for the good, to people demanding abortion, to what we eat. To live something has to be sacrificed. To enter heaven, why would God not sacrifice himself to show ultimate love. Giving him the the keys to all that was good and subjected to all that was evil. In all things God is sacrificed. God being a human makes him relatable to humanity and what greater love is their than to die for someone.
Cause I stumbled upon how one spirit ur true self can be put into ur offspring. Fathers to sons mothers to daughters. I started preaching this to those made of flesh and that's y I had to die
You are correct to appoint… And all I can do is add to what you said… Namely our offspring do pick up our spirits… It’s not so much by what we say as they live with us, it’s what we do in their presence… But if you have the Holy Spirit in your heart, have you been born again, have you been born from above… In Christ and you is the hope of glory… And the kids will see that as well… It’s better that they see it as with all people than just hearing it… It’s better that they see it being lived, then just being yelled at about it… So hopefully, in Christ name, you’re saved, in the spirit and you, that Christ and you will be seen by them and everybody around you will see the same thing… That’s the same thing I hope for myself… Even when I fall… Pray God to forgive me get back on the road and get back on the wagon so to speak… I give God the glory… And praise his name…
@@bogatsosboo927 I have been born again to deal with a generational curse passed down to me from my father a man I never knew but the truth of jesus hss been revealed to me for I the last of a very very old family tree. When jesus did what he did he shouldn't of had offspring. Generational curse my brother reincarnation and reborn has come upon my spirit. Jesus was my ancestor I have no father no sons I'm 37 and my spirit crossed over to be yelling for my dead father I crossed over to the otherside and came back. The bible was written for another purpose then being portrayed
Not often do I see a comment section so full of heresy denying penal substitution.
So you're saying penal substitution is a heresy? I agree. How could a loving Father murder His son.
@@cybrnator How could a holy and righteous Judge not punish sin?
Cybrnator
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd ,the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep. 10:15 As the Father knows me even so I know the father and I lay down my life for the sheep ....18 No man take it from me but I lay it down myself ....
He loved us while we where sinners what greater LOVE than that .....he willingly laid down his life ...there was no murder for he was a substitute in our place or we would receive the Wrath of God ...For out of the law came the knowledge of sin and to reject this gift means to receive the wages of sin which is death. Thanks to Holy scripture.
@@cybrnator Your ignorance is exhibit a for Calvinism.
@@sukka4pain God will punish sin in the lake of fire and not on the cross. There was no punishment of sin on the cross, only forgiveness.
"On the cross God looked at Christ and saw you. Now He looks at you and sees Christ."
Whoa
Powerful words.