YUZURU HANYU - Questionable GOE Scores | 2018-2020
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Here are some examples from the last two season of really questionable GOE scores that Yuzuru Hanyu received for some elements.
I specifically showed in this video GOE scores that have a really big gap between the given score by each judge on the same element. In times like this, the score he is given is most likely not representing the element correctly which is really unfortunate.
Comment what do you think about it...
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yet the Russians’ so called “quads” get a +3 goe. Hoping for the ticket sales to go down when Yuzu retires.
@@Paula43082 yeah before he became famous the arena was a lil bit empty
Those judges are salty
It sucks how they do this to his scores, when he puts in so much effort to make his elements flow and perfect on execution to get great GOEs. Like in the olympics, he decided to change his program to do “easier” jumps instead of the more difficult ones due to his injury. He didnt want to have poorly executed jumps despite the high base value so he opted for the jumps he could trust more to get positive GOEs.
Such a great athlete and person it’s such a shame that judges treat him like this (ugh flashback to yuna Kim in Sochi ☹️)
Lmao it will be empty hopefully, cause without yuzu I won’t even be interested anymore
May it crash and burn.
Hi, the only answer to all the inconsistent awarding of scores is to stop Yuzuru from setting higher and higher standards and breaking and setting more new records. God will bless Yuzuru in ways no human could comprehend.
I know right... It's really sad that there are people who want to get him down after all that he contributed to figure skating :(
Totally agree with you, their effort and plots are in vain. Such people will only make Yuzuru shines like a rare unique jewel which is priceless. Have a fruitful day.
I mean, nearly all the judges of these examples gave Yuzu very high GOE on the other elements:
CSSp. Judge gave four 5s and two 10s in PC, the most generous of all!
FCSp. J4 gave two 5s and was the only one that gave a 10 in PC; J6 also gave high GOE and PC.
First 4Lo. Judge was the second most generous of all.
Second 4Lo. Judge was a little low overall but was also the only one that gave a 5 to Yuzu.
4Lz. Those who gave -5 were among the most generous on the other elements.
And the others were more or less average, with a couple ones that were more strict.
All this just to say that... I don't see anything wrong with all the goes in the video? Sometimes it happens that a judge gives a single low goe, there's no need to think that they are doing it with malice xD. It literally happens to every skater, not just Yuzu. Also, it happens that judges can make a mistake, they are human, there is so much to process and they might even just blink at the wrong moment or see a jump at a bad angle. lol
@@harry4596 what an ISU's boy! How on earth those jumps were -5 when he didn't fell at all, and he still got -3.78 GOE in total. The last judge 3 at the end literally underscored him on every elements, JUST LOOK!!!... I recently saw Nathan's FP at 2017 Worlds, he screw up the 4 Lutz and fell, but he just got an -1.9 GOE. No offense to him he is a technical wizard, i just mean ISU definitely underscored Yuzu so badly. There are no bad angles or anything, everytime he competes, there's always 1 or 2 judges underscored him. There's a lot of dramas happened occasionally with ISU's judges. Yes they are humans, and they deliberately "made mistakes" to take top skaters down. They try to show that they rule the FS world, control all the scores, such a pity org! (Sorry for my English if I had any mistakes)
No wonder, in one press conference Yuzuru said that although he has performed a perfect program he stiil cannot defeat Nathan, may be he already slightly think that he has always been underscored this last two years
a 0 GOE for a well/nicely/greatly executed element makes no sense. Like NO sense.
Judjes can make "mistakes" but there's no doubt Yuzuru Hanyu is the best, a fantastic skater and an incredible artist
I cannot call a 0 given to a perfectly executed technique a "mistake". That was deliberate.
Watching this after learning he wrote his senior thesis about application of 3D motion on FS to make it possible to use AI technology instead of judges lol the boy did suffer in the hands of those judges to the point of writing a whole ass thesis about it
yehhhhh lol that thesis of his is almost like a "if you don't wanna judge fairly, imma make sure you don't need to judge at all" kinda thing
You had enough!!! If this slap doesnte hurt them, their face must be so thick!!!! Wake up you incompetent judges!!!
I would LOVE to see this come true but unfortunately, I don't think anyone will agree on it because of clear biases they hold towards some skaters 😒 Judges hold the power to tamper with anything so I don't think ISU higher ups will easily accept using such judging method
Soy nueva fanyu desde el 26 de febrero de 2026 y amo a Yuzuru Hanyu. Es un guerrero invencible. Un genio hermoso del patinaje artístico... y me ha dolido mucho este vídeo...😢
Se merecía sus puntuaciones correctas. Porque para eso práctica y ha competido hasta con asma y lesiones.. no es por qué quiere que le regalen puntuaciones o de que él se crea superior... simplemente es un ser humano maravilloso que ama su deporte y merece respeto...
😢❤
What piss me off about all this is that if other skater jumps and lands very underrotatedly or very overrotatedly, they are going to give that jump as a fully rotated one. However, when Yuzuru jumps and it is a bit off, they are going to give it as a under or over rotated one.
This is not a bias thing. There are commentators that have pointed out this issue and have sarcastically said that it's curious how the judges haven't seen that clearly over/under rotated jump.
Ahem like how sotnikova got positive GOEs and won Sochi lololol we all know yuna Kim should’ve gone home w a second Olympic gold
So not right with the scoring, makes me mad. No wonder Yuzure is studying for that computer scoring system .
So unfair couldn't watch it til the end
This is already I think it's a crime-like act. .. 😡
Yuzu is being persecuted.
Certain players other than Yuzu receive oversized preferential treatment. Even if you make a mistake, it is overlooked, and GOE is gorgeous for mediocre acting.
As a result, Yuzu's divine acting cannot be the same number as a mediocre skater.
The ISU appeals that even if Yuzu retires, there are other alternatives, so there is no problem, but I am not interested at all.
Everyone wants someone else to do well but not TOO WELL! Very hard/sad to watch but not a surprise. Yuzuru just too good for too long! They wanted to take him down a notch or two. Human nature at its worse!
The fact that 1:44 this flawless 4Lz didn't get a single +5 and got a +1 instead is an absolute crime. Judges give +4/+5 GOE to cheated Lutzes that take off from inside edge instead of outside, use full blade instead of toepick, prerotate up to 270° so the quad actually has
But don’t they take off the lowest and highest score tho?
Still underscored I agree
I can honestly see the +4 because his entrance or exit wasn't flashy or necessarily very hard, and 3+ if you're salty
but where the hell did the +1 come from >:(((((((
even his toe pick is against the direction of rotation, making it even harder - other skaters with perfect lutzes don't even do that :/
Omg, the more I watching this, the more it pissing me off.
Those underrated scores are nonsense, and no one gonna investigate those judges? Can’t we just play a fair game???
It’s not only us can feel this unfair scores, but yuzuru as well. You can see thru his questionable face many times when he knows the score.
He dedicates himself for every performance, spin, and jump. And this is what he get???
Ps. Thank you for the video and information
I agree with this so much.
I don’t if many people notice this but when nathan chen falls he gets like -1 or -2 goe and when he does a quad he gets like +4 or +5.
yuzuru gets like -3 to -5 when he falls and then when he does a quad he gets like +1 or +2 or +3 and if he is really lucky and the judges are nice then he gets +4 but never +5 this is unfair.
During these competitions, I was always wondering about the questionable scores given to Yuzuru, now I know the reasons, the points of GOE are just ridiculously low, the difference is huge between the judges
Yuzu is the reason I got interested in figure skating,( it's not famous in India) .He is really amazing .Its so heartbreaking that some judges are so biased and wanted to prevent him from making records.
Yeap.. He and Kim Yuna are the reasons why I am interested in this sport. Yuna has retired already...but when Yuzu retired.....I don't know... I perhaps drop this all over...and just check in once in a while to see Shoma and Cha Junhwan.
Some biased judges don’t give a damn about the damage they bought to this sport. Unfairness will bring down the popularity of this sport. The beauty that Hanyu bought is very much under estimated. What a shame.
I feel like when there is a large discrepancy in the GOE of an element, there should be an investigation or some sort of consequence - they have bullet points to work off, it's not just their own opinion, and they are meant to be professionals. There is no transparency in the judging system
The way how this is solved is that one of the lowest and one of the highest GOE won't get count. So the ''plus 1'' for yuzurus 4lutz doesn't matter at all.
@@taigosakai2266 Judge could just keep give lowest score just to validate the other lowest score. If the score he gave didn't make it to the scoring system, he won't care, since he dont have intention to give the athlete his score. But if his lowest score coincidentally have the same value with another judges, one of them get to the scoring system and his intention reach his goal and it's become the athlete loss. So what he actually do is not to judging the athlete, he just tried to validate the lowest score. I'm not talking about particular judge, i just mention why some judges might be keep underscoring some athlete for sport politics.
I dont know who judge 3 is but...if yall ever catch me throwing hands at them, send help to THEM, theyre gonna need the help 🙄🙄
Take me with you I was about to throw hands too!
The fact that Yuzu achieved all the WR and have the historical record of 330 points under +/-3 GOE says something alot!
Yuzu keeps stronger and stronger every year and yet, when the judging system became +/-5 GOE suddenly he can't have the perfect goes which is very questionable, we're not all blind right?
Btw... He's still the GOAT so whatever.
After Yuzuru won the second gold at the 2018 Olympic game, his scores have been "deliberately" lowered. There was a news report that one Chinese judge was bribed to give him lower scores in favor of a Chinese skater. There were a couple of commentators who noticed the lower scoring by one "xx" judge, always making note of that judge when Yuzuru's jumps were not perfect. There should be no reason to give him a minus score when his jump was not perfect yet he did not fall or touched his hand on the ice. It should be a deduction pin the TSE, but not on GOE. Obviously Yuzuru's rating based on scores was deliberately manipulated. Remember that there was the similar scandal of the Russian judges who were receiving money from the Russian Federation of Skating along with one of famous coaches. Similar thing may be happening in one or two of judges.
You did a wonderful job making this video. It was very informative and easy to understand. An element should never be given GOE with such a huge discrepancy between the judges' scores. And some of these GOEs are just flat out unfair; the judges have a rulebook which includes GOE bullets that tell them how to score an element. For example, his 4Lz at 4CC should've been given -3 (-4 at most, but -3 is more reasonable with the jump's textbook takeoff and fantastic height + distance). It never should've received -5 from a judge, let alone from two of them. They were acting like it was a fall instead of a hand down and step out. All you need is a basic understanding of the rulebook to understand that the 4Lz didn't deserve -5 GOE. And this is also true of many other examples.
Thank you so much!!
And I totally agree with what you said and it frustrates me so much seeing those unfair scores..
@@yuzuflow3538 125 years of ISU and they are still doing it!!! it is politics you know. they could noy stand that an Asian has been on top for a long time. LOL
The management at ISU having crisis after crisis because not only was Yuzu on top for so long, he brought along a veritable Asian tsunami, there are now so many nations fielding athletes of Asian descent I think their racist asses don’t think is funny.
Tbh I think that’s why there are so many voices asking for Russia to be allowed to compete and for the Americans who can’t politically correctly say that, trying to push IM far above what he is due. They are desperately searching for a white version of Yuzu or a Jason/Nathan combo. I’m not saying IM might not one day become it but he is definitely not it yet.
Athletes live a tough life, it was never gonna be easy to keep young people in rich countries interested when they don’t make much and $$$ is in your face every day on social media.
it seems there is corruption in the judging panels.... shame on them.... they demean themselves and the sport with this stupid behavior.
As much as I want Yuzuru Hanyu-sama to continue competing and blessing us with his grace and artistry through his performances, I would rather have him retire early than be disrespected like what these biased judges are doing.
I know that YH is mentally strong for these kinds of treatment, but after some time self-doubt will catch up to him. And there's no worse feeling in the world than doubting your own capabilities. I literally cry everytime he belittles himself in his interviews. He doesn't deserve this!
To the people who are doing this to him, you are all ingrates! YH made a big contribution to the FS scene and this is how you repay him? Come on! If you want him out of the game, just ban him from competing or whatsoever. But never ever make him feel that what he's doing is not enough! You are sick!
Gotta collect myself. I feel so mad that I might spew out more hurtful words. Gotta calm my nerves.
me too 😭😭 just.. how can they do this.. i love seeing Yuzuru in skating, but after read your comment, i agree too.. he doesnot deserve to be treated like this, so frustated hiks i can'tttttttttttt
There's a hint of that when Yuzure says, he's always a challenger & not a champion. He's always a champion to me. But it's so sad & demolishing for Yuzure. It's not his fault the other skaters he complete with are of such low standards that judges have to give such bad points to Yuzure. The problem is the other skaters.
@@TheBackseatpilot 👍
@@TheBackseatpilot 🎼🌿🎼 То, что он всегда претендент, было сказано Yuzuru очень давно, почти сразу после Сочи. При всех его, в лучшем смысле, амбициях - удивительная скромность ! И это не бравада, а трезвая оценка природы успеха, которая демонстрирует недюжинный уровень его интеллекта.
and people are STILL trying to say we are overreacting? the proof is right in front of their eyes. you don't need to be a fan on Yuzu's to realise the judging is unfair
Now I understand why people said that the organization is trying days and nights to kick him out of the sport.
Wow, thank you for putting the effort to make this video. 👏
Now in July, 2022 I can understand his decision much better why he decided to retire from competitions and also his words about how he doesn't seek to be evaluated anymore. 🤐
Exactly! that's why he has no desire to compete anymore b/c he knows they will not let him win against the feds overscored pets (Nathan, Shoma, Yuma, Ilia) no matter what, and that's why Brian Orser recently said "Yuzu is in great condition right now, in fact, better than ever, and fully capable of winning any competition, IF scored fairly".
Unfair scoring is the reason he left competitions, not the health, age or injuries... as we all can see he can do as many SOLO ice shows as he wants, with 8-9 even 12 programs, 28-30 jumps, 7-9 quads, 6-7 triple axels, 3-4 biellmann spins and tons of very difficult artistic signature moves, in 1.5 to 2.5 hour long ice shows...
What's the point of wasting your time and efforts into something where your efforts are not appreciated and rewarded, instead humiliated by underscoring, that's why he said "from now on, I want to perform only for the people who appreciate my skating".
Shame on ISU for forcing him to retire, their loss. Fans are happy that he got rid of corrupt union, and doing great as a Pro athlete. Best wishes for his next solo ice show starting from ''Saitama super arena'' and good to see ISU struggling to fill their empty seats.
@@FIyYuzu I'm not sure we can say he has no desire to compete anymore. Maybe desire he still has, only he has no platform for it. He was and he is very competitive imo. But he is smart enough to know that under current circumstances he has no chance to win. He as a professional skater already achieved many things nobody ever did before and will not be able to achieve in the foreseeable future. Kids can learn to jump all the quads (although the JGP2023 shows that this is not so easy for them) but nobody seems to have the personality and character which can unite a fandom so huge and loyal what Yuzuru Hanyu has. He had filled Tokyo Dome to the brim and he will fill Saitama Super Arena too. And there's more to come. This was only his first year as a professional.
For GIFT, your numbers a bit vague. 😉 Here are the correct ones:
The show was 2.5 hours in duration and his net skating time was 41 minutes 10 seconds.
35K watched it in person and another 30K in cinemas through live streams
He skated 12 program parts in 12 different costumes including a full Rondo under competition circumstances with 6 mins warmup.
He jumped 7 quads, 6 triple axels and 11 other triple jumps.
He also had 16 spins, 5 StSq, 3 ChSq and 17 other types of field moves.
I hope ISU will sink financially, together with JSF because they deserve that fate. Corruption will eat up that sport.
And Yuzuru Hanyu will shine and prosper because he deserves that. 🤞
@@moma-b Actually I have seen GIFT more than 20 times already lol and the exact skating time is 58.72 min, 14 triple jumps, 20 spins, and 20 field moves, rest is correct. And the fact that he has already achieved everything, all the major titles multiple times, there's noting left for him to achieve, he is his own rival since Sochi... and the current platform he has as a Pro athlete is the best platform for him to pursue his ideals... and yes, ISU and JSF totally deserve that... and Yuzu deserve all the best
@@FIyYuzu I love when fans are arguing over the same thing they love. 😂 I have found another detailed statistics for GIFT but it's neither matching my previous numbers, nor yours. 😉
You stated: "58.72 min, 14 triple jumps, 20 spins, and 20 field moves, rest is correct."
Check your numbers against this. I'm curious where did you find the difference.
Program
1 The firebird, skating time: 1:00 CCo, IB
2 Hope&Legacy, skating time: 4:00 3F, 3Lz, CCo, St, Ch, SE
3 One Summer's day, skating time: 3:25, CCo, AS
4 Ballade No.1, skating time: 2:20 4T 3T, 3A, CS, CCo St
6 min warmup, skating time: 6:00 4T, 4T, 4S, 3Lo, 3S, 3T
5 Rondo, skating time: 2:55 4S, 4T, 3T, 3A, FC, CS, CCo, St, SL, FL
6 LMEY, skating time: 3:10 3Lo, 3F, 3A
7 Ashura-chan, skating time: 3:15
8 POTO, skating time: 3:25 4T 3A, 3A, 3S, 3Lo, 3Lz, FCS, CCo, St, Ch, SE
9 IOY, skating time: 4:10 Ci, AS, Ci
10 Notte Stellata, skating time: 4:00 3A CCo, FCCo Ci, Tw, IB, HB, SE, SS
11 HYK, skating time: 3:15 3Lo CCo, FCCo, HB, IB
12 Seimei, skating time: 1:05 FCS, CCo Ch
finale skating time: 0:55 FL, SE
total skating time: 42:55 quads: 7 triples: 19(6x3A) spins:16 sequences: 5xSt, 3xCh field moves:19
@@FIyYuzu I never seen stats for Prologue, but the numbers you described are a bit odd anyway. _"8-9 even 12 programs, 28-30 jumps, 7-9 quads, 6-7 triple axels, 3-4 biellmann spins and tons of very difficult artistic signature moves, in 1.5 to 2.5 hour long ice shows... "_ GIFT had 26 jumps. No way Prologue had more. 🤔 And he did not skate full programs, only parts of the programs. Seimei was full and Rondo was full. I don't remember any other programs for Prologue, but I might be wrong with my memories.
What's more astonishing is that many of these inconsistencies in judging come from competitions held IN HIS OWN COUNTRY: Nationals, NHK, Worlds in Saitama... meanwhile, others skaters who compete in their own country always get the benefit of the doubt and very generous scores. And I am not referring to a specific skater - USA, Russia, China, France... they all score the same when it comes to skaters from their home. 2019 Gran Prix Series in the men field was living proof of that.
JSF just make their own skaters is their rival, instead of protecting them. I wondering is this that kind of harsh parent whose always say, 'Not Enough' to their child accomplishment.
@luv l I guess Yuzuru Hanyu makes most Japanese men insecure. Yuzuru is way above most normal people. They should stop comparing themselves with Yuzuru. Just appreciate him, Yuzu is a gift to humanity. Japanese men should praise Yuzuru because he is raising the Japanese flag to the world!!!!
JSFは羽生結弦に嫌がらせを常に行なっています。スパースケーターは要らない。がJSFの言いぶんです。だから昌磨を最大級に贔屓しました。😢
The new system gives too many power to the judges! The judges are bias and can't even scores all the athletes fairly. The ones with correct flags are always benefits. It's not just Hanyu but all the skaters from small feds. ISU never tried to solve the problems. They just kept making it worse. SIGH
Yuzuru is the only who could break his own records, and judges dont him breaking his own records. Not cool, the boy is pure talent and kindness. Give him what he truly deserve
Next time,Will the judges please explain the GOE!Why Judge 1 give +4 ,but Judge 3give-1!why ~Maybe next year the awards set “The best Judge”
I like this award idea lol
sorry I just want to get this out of the way but I notice when nathan chen falls they give him like -1 or -2 goe but when yuzuru falls he gets like -3 to -5 goe this is not right and not fair.
I think it was already happening around 4cc and worlds 2017 but has become reaally obvious in the last 2 seasons especially in comparison to the way the rest of the field is scored.
You are correct, I noticed it -blatant insult to Yuzuru. I am still mad! Anyway, Yuzuru is winning left and right with his own Ice shows!!! as a professional. i am not following figure skating now, I only watch Yuzuru Hanyu's past performances, way more satisfying!!!
Now he’s number 1 they want to tear him down. . . I think he’s probably a real angel 👼
and yet, despite all that, he still wins
He lost to nathan in the world championships 2019☹ because of isu
He's robbed. He shall come home with gold, not silver. If robbed gold winner go so far by not get anything, biased judge will only get visible blacklash. So they need to hide that sneaky act by pretending they r a harsh judge that won't let any small mistake. But shamefully giving fullest score to their biased skaters.
He lost to Nathan Chen since 2018 but he won over more people's hearts 💕
Thank you thank you for compiling all these atrocious unfairness. People who say otherwise has been gaslighting us fanyu, telling us to stop being crazy and shit when yuzu is really being underscored!!! It's so frustrating. I wish the judges are shown with their names as they gice the score but ISU has no balls or brain for that matter. I'm afraid this bullshit will still continue.
Some of these really don’t make sense. Like when there are consistent 4s and even 5s in the GOE but then there’s a 1 and 0.... There’s clearly something wrong especially when the jump is executed well. For the ones the overall got low GOEs I can understand why they think it could potentially receive 1s, 0s and -1s whilst all the other gave a +1, +2 and possibly +3. It’s obvious for those ones that the execution wasn’t that great, but how bad it was to receive certain GOEs are subjective. And those ones I can understand but when there’s no obvious issues and when other judges grade them as high GOEs of 4 & 5 then there’s either an issue others don’t see or they are trying to pull his score down. Just my opinion. But overall Yuzu is an amazing performer and I will keep supporting him for his love and passion for skating!
That was exactly my point :)
There were some examples here that could probably make some sense but I still thought the difference between the highest to the lowest score was big so I wanted to include them too.
And Yuzu is definitely amazing in so many ways!
@@yuzuflow3538 Yeah I see your point. And considering that these are judges for the ISU... it's frustrating how inconsistent they are. They really should meet and explicitly discuss what certain GOEs should receive certain scores. So that they can improve consistency and at the very least make their scoring more objective.
@@springday3842 well, they meet after the competition to review all judging, behind closed doors.
Sighs sighs and sighs Yuzuru Hanyu will be remembered as legend and not the sport or the judges. The corrupted system will also be remembered for bad reasons
What do you think? I think I want to put fire on these incompetent judges.
We are not blind to not see how ISU is trying to belittle Yuzuru's value for the sport. It's make me so mad!
It just hurts a lot, I can't😭
Whoever has seen this video, let’s all write a letter to ISU to complain these scandals ! Those bad judges have no right to underscore any great athlete when they work so hard during their performances. Someone must tell ISU that we all have known that ugly political games are going on which are unbearable and immortal ! They have to stop them right now period .
The isu is also one of those ugly people.
For example, they set the bv of 4a (which yuzuru is practicing hard to land it) incredibly low. You can find information about this issue online.
@@samanthachan193 ugh sadly you’re right! Korea actually filed a complaint to ISU regarding the Sochi incident and it’s already 2020 and nothing has happened :((
@@heyyitsnikkiii ISU only cares about money. They don't treat athletes from different countries equally.
@@samanthachan193 very true
It is a shame for this sport for underscored someone truly has talented graceful artistry beautiful technical in this century, we might not seen again like this in the future, it will truly lost for all of us. Really really shame for the judges! So selfish.
Those unfair scores are so frustrating. They should really follow Yuzuru' s thesis on AI judging cuz of this. Mygad so frustrating.
those judges were given the task to underscore
His questionable invalidated CSSp from "Let me entertain you" at Japan Nationals 2020 was so enraging. BUT DAMN *HIS TEXTBOOK 4Lo and 3A from his Heaven & Earth Free skate was scored only 2 points from judge number 2*
THAT IS VERY SUSPICIOUS.
I'm so worried about the CSSp invalidation 😢 I hope we'll get a clarification about it.
@@yuzuflow3538 they already said that, his one leg wasn't parallel to the ice, also is lacking in rotations (rule said spin should have atleast 2 rotations; and he fully rotated it)
But our problem is, it wasn't a spin, it is a sit twizzle; we've seen those elements in Yuzu's Notte Stellata and Otonal; so why would they mistakenly see that as a level 4 spin then invalidate it afterwards. Very suspicious.
Really JSF and ISU are working together to stop Yuzuru from breaking world records but God favors the most sincere and most hard working out there.
@@u-ar-e-mylight1217 They wanted Yuzuru to be out of the spotlight as soon as possible in ridiculous ways just to fuel up Nathan Chen success rate at the upcoming 2022 Winter Olympics. It is outrageously so biased no matter how you look at it. But we are very blessed and thankful that Yuzuru continue to proved them wrong despite of the corrupted judging and unfair treatment being thrown against him everytime he competes.
2017 World's Men's Free Skate was the greatest bias judging ever given to Yuzuru. That flawless performance of Hope and Legacy don't deserve simply 223 points. Even commentators, and other skating experts know about the controversy and the hidden agenda of dethroning Hanyu at that time from being a two time world champion ahead of the 2018 Winter Olympics in PyeongChang.
@@phyrruskarimarmalgold3660 just imagine LMEY CSSp scored fairly not blindly, it would have tailed the score of Ballad No. 1 in G Minor by Chopin 4CC 2020.
LMEY SP is capable with 111 points to 120 pts
and his Ten to Chi To is capable of scoring >230 points
Imagine a fair judging system. 🥺
I just want Hanyu, to break this toxic system of ISU with his most earnest perseverance, honest and clean techniques.
As some of commentators have already known, one American judge always favored an American skater, and there was one Chinese judge who used to score Yuzu lower than the Chinese skater, who actually was removed and suspended the judgeship a couple of years ago.
American judge's favoritism has been already recognized by many commentators.
Americans just want to own every sport and be called pioneers like they're the only one allowed to be good at it... Smh
I had always known that my son Yuzuru was regularly cheated the score by the judging panel.
So, I don't really care about the score. Just watching my adorable son skate forever, I was satisfied. Because my son skates the most beautiful in the world.
He is marvelous!!
Yeah just don’t touch Yuzu‘s friend the 3A. I wonder where are these judges come from, those who gave him minimum GOE and massive punishment
It's not a problem to find where they are from. You can google "*event name* scores" and you'll get the link to the scores and the panel of judges. I just didn't want to include it in the video because I wanted to avoid political talks and stuff like that
@@yuzuflow3538 I'll do just that. I understand, the political talk is dirty
Anger. Anger is within me.
Let's just wait and see they suffer from money loss after Yuzu retires.
I never wanted Yuzu to retire but...seeing this rubbish ISU just makes me angry. Those people better suffer when they fuelled all Yuzu fans' anger.
true, after all their advantage of popularity from Yuzu and Yuzu fans (I mean looks how much his fans, just compare how many ppl watch Yuzu and another skaters in Olympic channel or ISU channel, see the difference) they really dont deserve him hikssss.. and i'll really stop seeing FS after Yuzu retires, I won't feel like this again when i idolize a skater then he get unfair like this.. it' enough to feel like this once, no more..
I think its a CRIME! Isn't there a way to challenge the unfair scores. He IS being handicapped by the politics of the judges. And SOMEONE knows who they are.
Zero, are you kidding me? Do they even have heart or eyes?
Whatever it may be...for me yuzuru hanyu is the best...Yuzuru should be exempted in all competition because he is too good..
I can see the difference among other skaters...just my opinion..new fan here
I feel very sorry to Yuzuru Hanyu......why no body complaint then...
all the judges who gave 1,0 and even -1. . . i just wanna know how the hell they haven't been investigated
That +1 for his 4Lz at GPF 2019 was a crime. And no don’t ever touch his 3A judges
Well, they can do what they want, he'll just get so good that they can't touch him. Japan Nationals 2020 proved that.
I know it's sad, but heck, knowing him, he'll thumb his nose right back at them.
Correct me if I'm wrong but a -5 GOE should only be given if the skater falls or something, not because he puts a hand down???? Yuzuru deserves better, imagine the effort he puts into all the elements to receive this kind of treatment from the judges...
But hey, thank you for this video, it's very informative and easy to understand :)
He is the best👑
Yuzuru Hangul is the best skater in the world 🌎 I like him very much ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I think some of the judges had other "agendas" imho
I feel sad😭
Sending virtual hugs😢🤗
I feel you 😭😭😭 literally teary here!
Same thing happened today where the judge from GB gave him the lowest score overall and always the lowest score in each category. Her score given was in the 90s while everyone else's was in the 100s
it's really disorienting when he's 3A gets a low GOE in spite of a very nice execution. the OUTLIER/s definitely has no sense of professionalism and integrity. shame
May GOD forgive me, for I’m about to curse those haters jealous envious, judges. Hanyu’s execution of each element in his figure skating, triple axel,……..is Legend! Period!
He is our only champion
Just my opinion: It might be better if the same element performed by different skaters in the same competition is compared.
They just keep trying to pull yuzu down... TT^TT probably wants to push him to retirement.. but hey you're talking about yuzu, the greatest of all time. So what if one day he really retires? We all know who's the gold in our hearts
Need to complain to ISU. Please write to them.
so who are these whacked out judges? and what is their judging on other skaters? similar? or wildly different? they need to be governed.
My friend is a figure skater, and I asked "You shouldn't get GOE -5 unless you fall hard on your butt right?
His response was :
"Only if u fall hard on the ground"
"If u save with ur hand its less bad"
I'm not a genius but I dont think those warrant -5
Watching this make me so angry and hurt me a lot at the same time.
They are so incompetent and not unbiased.
This was so frustrating to watch. Seriously, how can ISU have two judges who look at the same element and have one give it the highest score while the other one thinks its worthless? Either they're blind, incompetent, or corrupt, and any of those three should have them removed. What's worse is the fact there's no penalty to judges conspiring to dock scores, not a single judge has been banned from the sport even if they've clearly under or over-scored skaters to rig the results. Yuzuru actually wrote a thesis about using AI to judge the technical elements, and I completely agree. Tracking software can accurately judge whether or not an element has been executed correctly and has no bias, which would stop human judges from giving technically perfect elements zero points and then giving other skaters points for cheated jumps that should be invalidated. Artistry and presentation is more subjective, but it's unbelievable that judges can really just input any score regardless of common sense, and receive no punishment for blatant cheating. And every skater has been robbed, not just Yuzuru. The sport and its athletes deserve better!
I think in many cases there are very low by one judge, but very high from others. Some give a step out -5 while others give shaky landing with loss of flow a 3 which also isn't right. In the end they drop the lowest and highest anyways, so I think it ends up working out for GOEs. Its the unneeded UR calls, and his PCS that is being primarily underscored. No reason he shouldn't be getting 10s for Skating skills, performance, composition, transitions etc.
An American judge usually gives him bad scores. It happened in Olympic in Pyeongchang. The American judge gave him terrible scores and gave Nathan Chan exceeded scores. The judge should be sucked. Shame on him.
Надо бы сравнить те же прыжки у других участников, которым судьи дали больше баллов. И уже эти прыжки посмотреть в сравнении и там сразу станет ясно, что занизили
name of those judges... really pissed off
My thoughts:
1. CCoSp
● Good speed and/or acceleration during spin ✔
● Good controlled, clear position(s) (inc. height and air/landing position in flying spin) ❌ Wobbly landing on jump sit.
● Effortless throughout ❌ wobby landing on jump sit.
● Maintaining a centered spin ✔/❌ bit of travel after the landing on the jump sit so depends on judge.
● Creativity and/or originality ✔ cool arm position on sit positions
● Element matches the music ✔/❌ yes and no. Not particularly matched to the phrasing but kinda fit with 'sparkly' vibe of the music so depends on individual judge.
So +2 to +4
- Poor fly is -1 to -3. I'd only take -1 for the wobbly landing so +1 to +3. So based on the 2 × +4s and the 2 × +5s it would be overscored not under.
2. 4Lz
● Very good height and very good length ✔
● Good take-off and landing ✔/❌ it was a tad short (only 1/8th) so depends on judge
● Effortless throughout ✔/❌ I can see some judges giving him this point but it really didn't have the effortless look of his gorgeous jumps, plus a bit of spray on the landing
● Steps before the jump, unexpected or creative entry ❌ a single mohawk isn't enough to get this point
● Very good body position from take-off to landing ✔/❌ didn't have his usual gorgeous extension so could go either way
● Element matches the music ❌ no he lands it in the middle of a continuous chord. There's no accentuation in the music when he lands it for it to be matched to.
So +1 to +4
- less than a quarter missing -1 so could be 0 to +4.
3. 3A+1Lo+3S
The 3S was short, he was off-axis, the landing was poor and had no speed coming out of it. The judges who gave that a +4 or +5 must have been on crack.
Hanyu is a truly amazing skater and frequently does fantastic elements, however, not everything he does it perfect.
Such a big gap scores 🤔😤, maybe some a bad day judges want perfect jumps landing 😡 whatever the score we 👏😍 ❤ his beautiful skating 🥰 yuzuru👏👏👏
I really don't get why there are people that would give other individuals low score for such an obvious amazing work. I mean, if they deserve 100%, then give them 100%. If not, then not. Just because their work is somewhat out of this world and like inhumane because it's amazing, it is not an excuse to degrade that individual just to set the normal humanly average. Like wtf? If they perform their work in such an amazing and beautiful way, it's because they practice and trained hard for it. Whatcha gonna do about it if that's their way in exceeding their limitations.
No wonder he made his senior thesis about 3D judgment. Plus, he mentioned once there has been sth he thinks unreasonable and.. felt like he hit the bottom.
Poor thing...
How are the judges not changing seriously wtf
Like even commentators said crap like "it's weird how yuzuru didn't get a big goe but under/over rotated jumps got high goe"
Like seriously wtf
唯一無二の存在❣️
Those judges need to be dragged and have an investigation. How come ISU have those obvious corruptions and ruin the figure skating?
If u see cloesly, this "judge" Who gives the worst scores by themselves mostly give a bad score the whole performance from first jump till end. Seems like some of this judge don't like yuzuru 😥
Are these judges not questioned for randomly giving out zeroes on an objectively well executed elements?? I'm so confused. Is no one there to hold these people accountable? What even is ISU
I noticed that in the new scoring system, the BV of the those difficult Quad jumps has much reduced while the percentage of GOE scores increase significantly. This would widen the gap of the skater's scores significantly if you make any mistake in the jump. The new scoring system put a lot of emphasis on the execution rather than the difficulty of the jump. It seems to imply that "It's not worth doing the difficult jumps if you cannot execute them successfully."
ISU let your judges explain their judgement score if you guys are really standing faithfully in the truth then in every competition, in every performance, in every athlete and in everyone information make each one of your judges explain the scores they gave.
No wonder our boi who just graduated made a calculator himself guess he was done about those judges well can't blame him coz I literally wanna throw hands, then imagine the actually person who trained so hard then being unfairly judged.........his coming comeback next month? Something change
In m'y opinion the juges want to replace Yuzuro on purpose. But this not faire game. No one else has his artistique talents. All others are just jumping and riding. Sorry for them
this makes me so mad. this scores are ridiculous. This sport is such a beautiful sport but the judges constantly underscoring and overscoring just makes me not want to watch it anymore. its so unfair yuzuru has been improving so much. once we thought he would be in his prime but he just proves to us how he keeps on getting better and better. yet this scores are not doing justice for him when its truly so obvious that yuzuru deserves a much better scores. I feel so bad for him, he does not deserve this. i swear this isu judges needs to do better or like they need to get better judges. it would alot better if they actually did what yuzuru suggested to do which was the use of AI technology to score the skaters. Yuzuru has been suffering so much because of the judges who underscores him so much when its obvious how deserve a much better score. this makes me so angry.
I tottaly lost it when I saw 1 ..... But then next there was a 0 a freakin ZERO????? How? Why????? The fuck??????!!!!!
Some of the judge are rather biased towards each skater.... But still it pissed me off greatly
Someone was racist or national bias, figure skating judgement involved too many personal prejudice, it's so unfair to the athlete hard work
Those judges who unfairly give negatives or zero or one should be ashamed forever!!!
Creo que al dar esos puntajes tan pocos es para perjudicar a Yuzuru, ya que es uno de los pocos patinadores que posee una magia y delicadeza tanto en la parte técnica (saltos, piruetas, combinaciones) como en la parte artística. Yuzuru es increíble y aún no entiendo como la JSF no ha hecho nada por eso.
In contrast Nathan still gets Scored by the old ISU judging system. When all other skaters can get positive goes ranging from 0 to +5 Nathans goe starts at +3. I literally haven't Seen him getting a goe lower than 3 in years
Yeah this is why the isu has really become the corrupt joke it is. The judging is by no means fair nor do any of the judges have any kind of accountability for their scoring because they judge under anonymity smdh. Will most likely quit watching all together when hanyu retires because I can't stomache the garbage figure skating has become.
He's the best
Gracias por este revelador video.
Yo también encontré eso mismo en otros videos.
sus fans como podemos ayudar? how wi can help?
Gosh this made me too upset.
i will be honest: i will stop watching figure skating if yuzuru retires with this underscore problem. ISU you better values him as he rightfully deserves 😡
i stand with you.. won't watch FS again after he retires, there's no guarantee they will not do the same for the skaters i idolize in future, its enough to be annoyed once..
Honestly shame on jsf for letting this go on!
So... The Russians messed up their routine and could get more points than other skaters? And yuzuru who always gives his all in his routine get underscored? My conclusion, russians likes mistakes and perfect routine would get underscored cuz it's too perfect :/
LOL, the only explanation is Yuzuru will win every time he steps on the ice by a landslide :) so other ISU coutries want to place their skaters on the podium as well. Yuzu has been reigning for over ten years , so to give others a winning chance they had to underscore Yuzuru to force him to retire from competitions., which he eventually did. And Yuzuru is doing much better now as a professional skater, staging his own one-man shows for all to enjoy!!!
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Yuzuru Hanyu es un luchador incansable y guerrero invencible.. ningúna puntuación injusta podra quitarle su grandeza...👑🥇🥇✨
Él simplemente merecía las puntuaciones que realmente le correspondían. No estaba pidiendo que le regalarán ninguna puntuación...
Es muy frustrante que tu trabajo sea menospreciado.. yuzuru hanyu soportó demasiado😢..
me siento muy feliz de que él ahora sea un profesional y está llevando el deporte del patinaje artístico a niveles superiores.. me siento tan feliz y renovada de haberlo encontrado. Ojalá lo hubiera encontrado antes..
Te quiero mucho yuzuru hanyu y serás aún más grande y feliz...!!🌸🍃🌸🍃🌸🍃🌸🍃🌸🍃🌸🍃❤️🙏🏻