I’m here after the war Kendrick won because of something Joe said “His greatness starts before he starts rapping. Before he raps your mind has to think of something. His peers minds can’t even do that”
Game put nip on his tour had nip open for him nip has talked about how game helped him loll so Ice point is valid if game did this ya would say he was clout chasing nobody arguing the relationship dot got wit nip LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@MadMaxTopShotta nobody would call it clout chasing here for game. If most knew new this information. It's a problem because game is known for being a clout chaser, being a ridiculous liar an making up entire situations that isn't true. Beefing for no reason. Etc. Which is funny because even Kendrick has songs with game. So any hip-hop head wouldn't call out game if he did this track. Joyner Lucas? Definitely would get called out tho..
if you dont watch the music video, you wont even necessarily think of Nipsey. to me when i listen to Heart 5, i think of it as Kendrick projecting to his own death. not "perspective rapping" he is visualizing his own death and how it pains him that his raps alone cant change the culture no matter how hard he tries but hes gonna die happy because he fulfilled gis purpose. thats even more powerful than thinking of it just as a verse for Nipsey, at least for me
Lol exactly. These dudes (like Ish) will hate whatever Kendrick does. On one hand they’ll say “how is it a good song if I can’t understand it” then 5 minutes later say “what he’s saying isn’t even that deep”. Like make up your damn mind and stop hating or just stfu.
Why does that matter lmao, if they dont like it they dont like it period. You act like sport fans dont criticize professional athletes and thats the norm so why cant it be the same for rapping
I say this all the time it's truly like any other sport or art you can't tell a boxer about boxing just cause you're a fan, you can tell Kobe Bryant anything about basketball just cause you're a fan idk why people who don't do music or write or rap think they can truly tell other musicians what it is. They have no idea the work that goes into it they just listen.
@@davidmurillo1490 it's cool not to like it as a casual fan but to try and say he ain't ride the beat or ain't say much you don't know fr fr lol rappers/musicians in general listen to music differently because they know how much work goes into it. Just like boxers watch boxing differently than casual fans. Fans like them are other than Joe are going to add in all types dumb reasons when you're just a listener. who tf cares if Joyner would get a different reaction, truly, hypotheticals are jsut that an IF its not real youre jsut making an argument for the sake of it, another musician would never even bring that fact up but a fan who just jumps from opinion to opinion on the internet this will be they argument? Joyner don't even rap like this. It's opinion but in all honesty all opinions aren't valid 🤷
What does that have to do with ENJOYING MUSIC, just because they don't think it was the best thing they ever heard? They gave their opinion on how it SOUNDED to *THEM* not on how the song was made.
its kinda crazy how they try to act like stans don't do the same thing to Kendrick as they do to drake with the "people just want to see drake fall coz he is doing good and they don't like it" shit is so cope
The difference between Joe Budden and the other dudes is that Joe is an artist and a creative, art is not about conformity. Art evolves and transcends. I think Ish and Ace missed the point completely…
Dudes like Ish will hate whatever Kendrick does. On one hand they’ll say “how is it a good song if I can’t understand it” then 5 minutes later say “what he’s saying isn’t even that deep”. Like make up your damn mind and stop hating or just stfu.
Ish clearly just doesn't like Kendrick. His takes are weird. It's so weird when their critiques just seem like hating. How you mad because we think he’s an amazing artist??? HE REALLY IS THAT GREAY! Stop hating!
Kendrick is a Rap artist. He's an artist who's medium is Rap. The guy just kills period. It took me a while to get into his style but now I can't get enough of the guy. This is as always my humble opinion as a 45 years old white guy from Scotland.
Factz. People don't know how to appreciate Art. Instead of accepting it as human expression they automatically begin to compare it to others works or his own. That cheapens the Art and turns it into a product.
@@kingakil8599 Everybody has a different taste for art, music, clothes or food. If you find enjoyment out of something that someone else doesn't enjoy that's fine. You don't like everything of this world and I'm sure you've had opinions.
@@3rdGenerationCancer I agree! You have the right idea! Understanding your personal taste is to say I like this or I don't like this. What I'm referring to is people's inclination to judge art as good or bad. That's bullshit. It's Art. That's that man's heart and soul on a record. It's not good or bad. Either it resonates with you or it doesn't. Just because it's not your vibe doesn't mean it's trash.
Kendrick always talks about how back in the days they used to LISTEN to rap. Literally sitting down and dissecting verses and trying to understand what the rapper is really saying and to sit hear and listen to these two guys talk so confidently about shit they are not trying to understand. Joe should have "special guests" when talking about hip hop cause these dudes obviously just want to dance.
Lyrics still get dissected. There’s a million UA-cam channels dissecting songs and lyrics as soon as they come out… Kendrick is great lyrically but is it good music all the time? I don’t think so.
@@TheWallethead That's why we need people who understand the art to talk about the art. The HIP HOP I know wasn't always about being musical. It was about art before anything else. Take the first verse of The Heart 5, its like an opening act that is meant to grab your attention, A STATEMENT, he isn't trying to make ya'll dance or vibe, he wants people to listen. If Kendrick focused on being musical only he probably wouldn't be able to deliver the message he does.
@@mothupisir5325 if he doesn’t want to be musical then he should go into poetry writing. You can be saying deep stuff in lyrics while also riding the beat correctly, being melodic, and not trying to say 1 million words as quickly as possible ruining a good beat. Good kid mad city is the height of him being musical but also delivering a message. All the other stuff his him trying to be too high art and that’s not necessarily what music is supposed to be. he got completely schooled in the song with Kodak black btw… and black was saying more deep shit while riding the beat and being melodic or musical.
The Heart Part 5 is a perfect setup for the album, which is what all the Hearts are. He was breaking down all the mental shit of the “culture”. Also, him rapping from Nipsey’s perspective is different because that’s his friend. That shot felt like Nipsey came to him and told him that shit.
The Pac interview at the end of Butterfly. “Cause it’s spirits. Half the time we ain’t even rapping, it’s just our dead homies telling stories through us...”
@@sentientbeingschannel6755 how you know 😂😂?? they both from LA and in the same industry, chance are high they know each other enough is all I'm saying
Ish wants the artist to meet him at his level like many artists do. Kendrick doesn’t insult your intelligence. He expects you to meet him at his at times, he’ll throw you a bone from time to time but he makes music for you to dissect.
Honestly this is exactly why I don’t listen to the pod constantly. Arguing shitty opinions from uninformed people is something I can’t do every week anymore.
@AJ Lyfe They literally said why they didn't like it and that wasn't even close to it..Its like you hear what you wanna hear because their opinion isn't the same as yours.
@@johnrossi6189 no, he was out the gate "this shit is trash" then couldn't even keep the same opinion a minute into the "argument" "beat was fire, lot of the lyrics were fire" =I'm lying it's not trash 6/10. Like just admit you're the guy who hates to just hate lol.
drake makes easily digestible music, “fly” music lmao one can look back and understand why Ish goes so hard for Drake, he has no kinda connection with Kendricks music
Kendrick: The Miles Davis of his generation. Kendrick: The Curtis Mayfield of his generation. Kendrick: The Bob Dylan of his generation. Kendrick: The Prince Rogers Nelson of his generation. Kendrick: The Tupac Amaru Shakur of his generation. Kendrick: The Gemini spirit of his generation.👏
Kendrick’s music is the difference between going to a theater to see Dr Strange and going see a broadway play. This is masterful and not just vibe music. It is a reflection of the black experience.
Ah, I don’t agree. This bullshit that somehow theater is a greater art form than cinema is bullshit. There can be bullshit plays and great cinema and visa versa. There isn’t inherent quality in the medium, and comic books and the characters don’t persist in a culture for nearly 100 yrs and not have some depth to them.
@@preciousgorgeousralf137 Exactly . The better comparison is Doctor Strange Vs. Everything Everywhere All The Time . Both myltiverse movies but one is a cookie cutter superhero flick the other uses its genre to fuse mind bending action with a heart and soul opposing nihilistic worldviews .
Nigga shut up. TPAB is a 1000x better & never had a mainstream sound + is sonically better than this album with better lyricism. This album just brings you closer into Kendricks life, that’s it.
I don't know how he can be up there reviewing music. People forgot music supposed to make you feel something. They just want superficial drug and money talk 24/7
Funny coming back watching this after the Drake/Kendrick dust up. Ish glazes Drake and his music pod in and pod out but says anything Kendrick gets praised for is "gassed" 🤣
There’s always that one critic who just says something is whack just to be different. What do you want Kendrick to do speed unlimited bars flawlessly at 100 miles an hour while taking a shit and dying at the same time?
@@Noirlore facts haters go the length all they need to say is nah it aint for me not that shit was shit it was wack and drake is better. That's pure hating.
Ish is…. He is too old to be so simple minded. It’s odd that someone at his age enjoys feeding off of things that don’t challenge him. He has proven that his gripe with Kendrick is that he makes you think and says things that challenge/forces the listener to reflect. I also think that he’s bothered that someone like Kendrick is even in the conversation next to his fav.
Its nice to hear Joe Budden giving Kendrick the flowers! So well deserved! Some earlier beefs he had i think thats been petty..but this is on point..Cheers. Always respected Joe as an artist as well..I wish he still made music.
Ish is completely out of his mind, and addressing what Ice said: Joyner would NOT be able to pen a verse with the nuance and grace in that Kendrick portrayed. Most of his perspective shit has been gimmicky. Even I’m not a racist was not very graceful, even though it was great.
Nah dawg.. Maybe his latest work yes but if you look at Joyner earlier work then all that nuance and grace he had all of it.. He just overplayed his hand.. Listen to the song "Sorry".. Don't shit on another man to praise K. Dot
@@cageyflow5773 I love that song, I’ve listened to a lot of his earlier work. Even Ross Capicchioni is dope. But those songs are what they are about. The Heart Pt V has a much deeper message about the cycle of violence and hyper masculinity that STILL and probably ALWAYS will plague the black community heavily. I’m not down playing anything Joyner does, I’m just saying it’s levels 🤷🏾♂️. Just like Kendrick couldn’t pull off what Elzhi did with Guessing Game or Colors.
Joe is saying what real ones know and it feels disrespectful to the English language to even argue otherwise in my opinion. And I’m not even a Kendrick diehard.
JOE BUDDEN IS SPEAKING GODLY FACTS. Its easily recognized. Plus, Marvin Gaye's I want you is a classic and will never not be a bop. This is indeed a masterpiece. - YA
This is one of the best albums in years easily. It may not seem that way cause the internet is interneting and hates on 90% of the albums that have recently dropped within Hip Hop which is why music itself and artist aren’t progressing that much. Kendrick’s album got that timeless and classic feel with a great concept. It takes 5 years to make a project like that but it takes 5 brain cells and 5 seconds to reduce it to just “mid” or “trash”
I am just listening to Kendrick whole album. Just not for me(Everybody has an opinion RELAX!)..a couple songs good. Everybody has their fav MC. I like Ken.very uplifting music..
There are a lot of “woke/conscious” rappers that are good but there is only ONE Kendrick Lamar. There a reason why he is highly respected but it’s not just rapping, he is a true artist. You can tell he has a true passion music, poetry, art & expression even the way he uses his voice & tone. His music is unique for a reason. Imagine someone stealing a rhyme book from Kendrick & even with the same exact verse the sound/expression would not be the same
@@ihateflatbunz I'm aware that he's not the only one sir, I love Lupe too... I also like Jay Electronica, Ab-Soul, J. Cole, Elzhi, Phonte, Common, Black Thought & Blackstar so it's obvious he's not the only one doing that style of music but we not talking about these other rappers artistry right now, we're talking about Kendrick's artistry. That's why I always find it funny when someone talks about the greatness of one artist and then somebody else pops up and say "I like this other artist better" when nobody mentioned that artist in the first place lol it just comes off like your slighting the original artist trying to take away his/her shine just to big up another artist (not saying that's your intention or anything but that's how it can be perceived). 🤷🏾♂️
i'm not what U would call 1 the biggest Kendrick fans/stans who claim he's theGOAT but i've always appreciated & respected his work, he's a true Emcee, student of theCraft & a real Artist who expresses hisself flawlessly, this new Album..Mr.Morale...was shockingly unexpected in the greatest way possible, it's obviously not digestable to alot of people who feed their ears/minds with mostly low-vibrational music, what Kendrick gave us is more than Music & it takes a certain level of creative thinking to appreciate & overstand the understanding of Kendrick on this level of consciousness
Who's the sweet lightskin dude on the right? I legit don't know who he is. It's giving ... Joe Budden giving a handout to a childhood friend who couldn't make it on his own.
Ish & Ice have some horrendous hip hop takes. They can not like smthn, but their "analysis" is hella surface level and based on statements with zero nuance like "this was trash", "this was not fly", "this wasn't better than the other Hearts", etc. Only one who at least tries to analyze and go deeper into the music is Joe.
16:30 Thats the exact point they're missing. Kendrick was letting everyone know he's coming just like in the other hearts. That time around he wasn't talking about coming for rappers or to tear up the charts or whatever he was coming for the culture in general. And then Mr. Morale was generally a complete fuck you to the things we value in hip hop and a demonstration of how all those bullshit things we value just lead to nothing. But pls tell me more about how its not a good song lmao.
@@PhntmStudios it’s actually roxicodone 5 10 15 30 mgs people call em percs because they both have oxycodone in em but the highest brand name Percocet u can get is a 10mg
To call The Heart Part 5 trash or mediocre makes me immediately discredit the rest of your opinion. We clearly have a different view on what’s good music or not.
I think Joe has some inside perspective on what it means to make music for a wide variety of people, where as Ice and Ish do NOT. They're judging it as CONSUMERS of hip hop, wich is fine. But Joe is judging the WORK that went into CREATING the art. Joe knows what it's like to sit down with a pen, a pad, and a beat, and have a masterpeice come out of the other end. Ice and Ish only know the lyrics to their favorite songs lol. No shade, I fw them both... But they dead wrong here
@@twintyro They both knew him but im pretty sure Game would do it in a great also. I don’t care about his clout chasing. Game can rap in a perspective way also. He’s done it before.
this niqqa got us light skinned brotha’s lookin hella weak right now, i definitely dont agree with this niqqa, the heart part 5 is littly, i play it loud in the car daily and i live in Long Beach, Ca
bro the album has been out for a week this whole clip thing is a good idea but when you reach the point where they're discussing how good an album that been out for a week MIGHT be then you might want to be a bit quicker with it
The level of disrespect thank you Joe for ending it with good positive energy…. Would of thought Kendrick stole Ice and Ish Chick or something…. What’s Beef?
28:30 LITERALLY!! People may not like what Joe says all the time, but just about everything that's been coming out of his mouth about Kendrick over the last couple years has been FACTS. Loved how hype he gets over his music, because it's literally just like me too. When Euphoria & Not Like Us dropped "IT'S OVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!! AYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!" *Trombone & Tuba playing intensifies* 🔥🔥🔥
Nah lmao, y’all just be saying random shit, He’s both, & has already been both. someone like Kanye who is in the “ArTiST ReAlM” is an amazing Artist, but doesn’t have the credentials of a Top 5 rapper like Kendrick. It’s important to categorize Kendrick as a “best rapper” because he’s one of the best.
Joe's perspective on this song's craftmenship goes so hard!! "They dont have the resources to get this Beat!" Wow! I agree. The caliber K. Dot was and is rapping at is different. I do think J. Lucas could get there though.
I’m here after the war
Kendrick won because of something Joe said
“His greatness starts before he starts rapping. Before he raps your mind has to think of something. His peers minds can’t even do that”
Ish is slow. He thinks he's smarter than what he actually is.
🎯
Joe ate when he said fuck the talent they cant even get the beat 😂
I totally forgot this dude been hatin on Kendrick aince forever.
Biggest HATER 😂 Kendrick can do nothing right in his eyes DAMN!
At least he’s consistent
You beat me to it lmao
And before I saw this, I thought he was just loving on Drake….too much 😳
That light skin dude has the musical palette of a middle school girl.
AGREED!!
This comment has aged like fine wine
Lmao deadass
Perfect Comment
He still has that same palette believe it or not lmao
Kendrick's 3rd verse hits different because he knew Nipsey, toured with Nipsey. He opened for Nipsey. There is ZERO clout chasing
n wuz also on his Victory Lap album Dedication is one of tha best on dat one
Game put nip on his tour had nip open for him nip has talked about how game helped him loll so Ice point is valid if game did this ya would say he was clout chasing nobody arguing the relationship dot got wit nip LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@MadMaxTopShotta nobody would call it clout chasing here for game. If most knew new this information.
It's a problem because game is known for being a clout chaser, being a ridiculous liar an making up entire situations that isn't true. Beefing for no reason. Etc. Which is funny because even Kendrick has songs with game.
So any hip-hop head wouldn't call out game if he did this track. Joyner Lucas? Definitely would get called out tho..
@@MadMaxTopShotta this don’t even make sense but ok
if you dont watch the music video, you wont even necessarily think of Nipsey. to me when i listen to Heart 5, i think of it as Kendrick projecting to his own death. not "perspective rapping" he is visualizing his own death and how it pains him that his raps alone cant change the culture no matter how hard he tries but hes gonna die happy because he fulfilled gis purpose. thats even more powerful than thinking of it just as a verse for Nipsey, at least for me
The "Hearts" are simply where he's at mentally.Thats why they'll never be cohesive. It's about growth in his career,but most importantly as a Man
Facts 💯
Exactly it is his hearts state when making the project
Egg zactly. Their in the MOMENTS
And our opinion Kendrick don't give F about either....
I was about to comment, but you said it perfectly.
Ice hating in a TDE hoodie is insane 😂😂😂
Guy is a lowkey agent of chaos and hypocrisy smh lol
🤣🤣🤣
looooooooooooool
I come back to this, religiously, to remind myself what stupidity sounds like.
Lmao same
yup, we out here
Lol exactly. These dudes (like Ish) will hate whatever Kendrick does. On one hand they’ll say “how is it a good song if I can’t understand it” then 5 minutes later say “what he’s saying isn’t even that deep”. Like make up your damn mind and stop hating or just stfu.
@@Jon155mtThat's what we call being compromised🤣
I just arrived wtf
One thing I've learned about Drake fans is most of them are SHALLOW!
Mostly teenagers or old dudes who haven’t matured.
Proudly illiterate with their head's held high!
Real simpletons
@@SticknbkidOld dudes who wanna relive they're golden years
Very Shallow!
I hate when people who don't even rhyme try to critique top-tier lyricism. They're clueless...
Fr fr or people who dont read poems they just cant understand the overall message
Why does that matter lmao, if they dont like it they dont like it period. You act like sport fans dont criticize professional athletes and thats the norm so why cant it be the same for rapping
I say this all the time it's truly like any other sport or art you can't tell a boxer about boxing just cause you're a fan, you can tell Kobe Bryant anything about basketball just cause you're a fan idk why people who don't do music or write or rap think they can truly tell other musicians what it is. They have no idea the work that goes into it they just listen.
@@davidmurillo1490 it's cool not to like it as a casual fan but to try and say he ain't ride the beat or ain't say much you don't know fr fr lol rappers/musicians in general listen to music differently because they know how much work goes into it. Just like boxers watch boxing differently than casual fans. Fans like them are other than Joe are going to add in all types dumb reasons when you're just a listener. who tf cares if Joyner would get a different reaction, truly, hypotheticals are jsut that an IF its not real youre jsut making an argument for the sake of it, another musician would never even bring that fact up but a fan who just jumps from opinion to opinion on the internet this will be they argument? Joyner don't even rap like this. It's opinion but in all honesty all opinions aren't valid 🤷
@@davidmurillo1490 some people just hating tho that's the weird part. Like if a different artist said it they would like it
The fact that 2 non musicians are arguing with 2 people who have been in music for 20 plus years is wild to me 🤦🏾♂️
FACTS... they having a discussion that honestly I wish Rory and Mal were there to have with Joe
What does that have to do with ENJOYING MUSIC, just because they don't think it was the best thing they ever heard? They gave their opinion on how it SOUNDED to *THEM* not on how the song was made.
Y’all only saying this cuz they didn’t dickride Kendrick
@@darebel bro so fucn mad smmfh,…. I barely tune in now smh 🤦🏽♂️
I say rhe same thing every time I listen to the podcast
I'm not the biggest Kendrick fan and that's one of the best songs I've ever heard period. These other guys tripping. Joe's analysis was 100% accurate.
ish REALLY doesnt like kendrick lmao shit is hilarious
its kinda crazy how they try to act like stans don't do the same thing to Kendrick as they do to drake with the "people just want to see drake fall coz he is doing good and they don't like it" shit is so cope
That one dude really just don't like kendrick but love fake ass drake. That shit is sad.
OVO Ish!
The difference between Joe Budden and the other dudes is that Joe is an artist and a creative, art is not about conformity. Art evolves and transcends. I think Ish and Ace missed the point completely…
Yeah they stupid 😒
I agree...
Ish and Ice are trash ass analysts.
They usually always miss the point
Dudes like Ish will hate whatever Kendrick does. On one hand they’ll say “how is it a good song if I can’t understand it” then 5 minutes later say “what he’s saying isn’t even that deep”. Like make up your damn mind and stop hating or just stfu.
people like this fool just fail to understand, and get angry when they realize their own lacking
"He didn't really ride the beat like that to me."
"HUH?!?!"
😂😂😂
Ish clearly just doesn't like Kendrick. His takes are weird. It's so weird when their critiques just seem like hating. How you mad because we think he’s an amazing artist??? HE REALLY IS THAT GREAY! Stop hating!
Kendrick is a Rap artist. He's an artist who's medium is Rap.
The guy just kills period.
It took me a while to get into his style but now I can't get enough of the guy.
This is as always my humble opinion as a 45 years old white guy from Scotland.
Factz. People don't know how to appreciate Art. Instead of accepting it as human expression they automatically begin to compare it to others works or his own. That cheapens the Art and turns it into a product.
@@kingakil8599 Everybody has a different taste for art, music, clothes or food. If you find enjoyment out of something that someone else doesn't enjoy that's fine. You don't like everything of this world and I'm sure you've had opinions.
@@3rdGenerationCancer I agree! You have the right idea! Understanding your personal taste is to say I like this or I don't like this. What I'm referring to is people's inclination to judge art as good or bad. That's bullshit. It's Art. That's that man's heart and soul on a record. It's not good or bad. Either it resonates with you or it doesn't. Just because it's not your vibe doesn't mean it's trash.
I agree
rap is art. music is art with or without kendrick
Who’s here after the Kendrick disses?
Kendrick always talks about how back in the days they used to LISTEN to rap. Literally sitting down and dissecting verses and trying to understand what the rapper is really saying and to sit hear and listen to these two guys talk so confidently about shit they are not trying to understand. Joe should have "special guests" when talking about hip hop cause these dudes obviously just want to dance.
🤝🏾
Lyrics still get dissected. There’s a million UA-cam channels dissecting songs and lyrics as soon as they come out… Kendrick is great lyrically but is it good music all the time? I don’t think so.
@@TheWallethead That's why we need people who understand the art to talk about the art. The HIP HOP I know wasn't always about being musical. It was about art before anything else. Take the first verse of The Heart 5, its like an opening act that is meant to grab your attention, A STATEMENT, he isn't trying to make ya'll dance or vibe, he wants people to listen. If Kendrick focused on being musical only he probably wouldn't be able to deliver the message he does.
@@mothupisir5325 if he doesn’t want to be musical then he should go into poetry writing. You can be saying deep stuff in lyrics while also riding the beat correctly, being melodic, and not trying to say 1 million words as quickly as possible ruining a good beat. Good kid mad city is the height of him being musical but also delivering a message. All the other stuff his him trying to be too high art and that’s not necessarily what music is supposed to be.
he got completely schooled in the song with Kodak black btw… and black was saying more deep shit while riding the beat and being melodic or musical.
Corny & cringey voices thrown at me by this buffoon like he a preacher at church
The Heart Part 5 is a perfect setup for the album, which is what all the Hearts are. He was breaking down all the mental shit of the “culture”. Also, him rapping from Nipsey’s perspective is different because that’s his friend. That shot felt like Nipsey came to him and told him that shit.
The Pac interview at the end of Butterfly. “Cause it’s spirits. Half the time we ain’t even rapping, it’s just our dead homies telling stories through us...”
Exactly
Friend is a reach
@@sentientbeingschannel6755 how you know 😂😂?? they both from LA and in the same industry, chance are high they know each other enough is all I'm saying
@@isaacdebeila8085 why you laughing if I’m lying bro lol I know people with nipsey posters in their bedroom but can’t name one song
Ish music takes are ASS!!!! That’s why he was sittin there about ta cry when Kendrick dissected Drake like a science experiment
Strictly with Joe and that white dude Parks. Ish a damn Drake Stan
Calling Kendrick Lamar mediocre is insanity. I cannot take him seriously.
Joes accuracy is pin point, and this song ended up winning a grammy
Ish is a certified Kendrick hater, it's pretty sad, he could learn alot from kdot.
Drake has him on payroll. Him, Mal, and Ak..
Ish wants the artist to meet him at his level like many artists do. Kendrick doesn’t insult your intelligence. He expects you to meet him at his at times, he’ll throw you a bone from time to time but he makes music for you to dissect.
His first two verses talking about "The Culture" are brilliant. That Nip verse was just a cherry on the top. And who else to do that, from Cali.
Honestly this is exactly why I don’t listen to the pod constantly. Arguing shitty opinions from uninformed people is something I can’t do every week anymore.
i find it more interesting when people on pods have different perspectives and opinions imo but the song is amazing
Facts
@AJ Lyfe They literally said why they didn't like it and that wasn't even close to it..Its like you hear what you wanna hear because their opinion isn't the same as yours.
@@johnrossi6189 no, he was out the gate "this shit is trash" then couldn't even keep the same opinion a minute into the "argument" "beat was fire, lot of the lyrics were fire" =I'm lying it's not trash 6/10.
Like just admit you're the guy who hates to just hate lol.
@@shoegaze3750 different opinions is cool, but listening to men omit logic just to be contrarian is weak.
This is the same Ish that was gushing all over 7AM on Bridle Path, and called it "real rapping". But apparently the Heart pt 5 was "ass".
drake makes easily digestible music, “fly” music lmao one can look back and understand why Ish goes so hard for Drake, he has no kinda connection with Kendricks music
and that's one of the worst timestamp records
Here after the kendrick and drake beef....it's clear HE NEVER LIKES KENDRICK😂
@@TheVibeJoint Not ever lol. I didn't see it at the time but it's obvious now.
8mths later... this will make more sense than now lol
Joe's insight on this is dead on
ISH WAS TRIPPIN!!! 😂😂….Actin Sassy & Lightskinned
If he didn't like it cool, but his response had hate in it haha
BRAVO BRAVO!!!! FOR THIS COMMENT
Kendrick: The Miles Davis of his generation. Kendrick: The Curtis Mayfield of his generation. Kendrick: The Bob Dylan of his generation. Kendrick: The Prince Rogers Nelson of his generation. Kendrick: The Tupac Amaru Shakur of his generation. Kendrick: The Gemini spirit of his generation.👏
That gemini when fully evolved is truly something special
Kendrick the Bob Marley of this generation and the Bob Ross and William Shakespeare of this generation after Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers
You got that right queen. 💯
2 pac of this generation is a real stretch.
But he is not your savior.
Kendrick’s music is the difference between going to a theater to see Dr Strange and going see a broadway play. This is masterful and not just vibe music. It is a reflection of the black experience.
Agreed🎯🎯‼️
Ah, I don’t agree. This bullshit that somehow theater is a greater art form than cinema is bullshit. There can be bullshit plays and great cinema and visa versa. There isn’t inherent quality in the medium, and comic books and the characters don’t persist in a culture for nearly 100 yrs and not have some depth to them.
@@preciousgorgeousralf137 Exactly . The better comparison is Doctor Strange Vs. Everything Everywhere All The Time . Both myltiverse movies but one is a cookie cutter superhero flick the other uses its genre to fuse mind bending action with a heart and soul opposing nihilistic worldviews .
@@henrychinaski5938 Great comparison!! 🎯
Nigga shut up. TPAB is a 1000x better & never had a mainstream sound + is sonically better than this album with better lyricism. This album just brings you closer into Kendricks life, that’s it.
Here from the future
Kendrick is currently loading drakes body in a truck and more is expected
😂😂😂
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How was he not catching the beat? Even his movements was in sync with his cadence and lyrics. 🤧😆
That dude corny and I can't tell he doesn't listen deeper. He said msg was cool
Trash cringey and corny voices tryna preach at me like a messiah
@@josephdoggett8150 Super corny. “I can’t listen to this in the car” smh
I don't know how he can be up there reviewing music. People forgot music supposed to make you feel something. They just want superficial drug and money talk 24/7
@@josephdoggett8150 trash corny cringey and creepy voices. What do U want me to do ? Sit there and listen to the whole album and pretend I like it ?
Hearing some people talk about music is insufferable
Funny coming back watching this after the Drake/Kendrick dust up. Ish glazes Drake and his music pod in and pod out but says anything Kendrick gets praised for is "gassed" 🤣
Ice and ish was off the drugs this episode making zero sense lmao
JB I totally agree! This album was a masterclass on lyricism, messaging and musicality. Sometimes the thirsty can not be led to the water…..
Say that! 💯 And I cannot wait to hit a concert it's going to be insane
There’s always that one critic who just says something is whack just to be different. What do you want Kendrick to do speed unlimited bars flawlessly at 100 miles an hour while taking a shit and dying at the same time?
THEY WANT SOME DRAKE SHIT OR SOME CLUB TYPE SHIT THEY JUST WONT ADMIT IT
Or they just don’t like it. Has nothing to be different. Not everyone is going to like what Kendrick does bruh.
@@CC-iy6zk but there’s a difference between saying it’s bad vs saying it’s not for you
Lmaooooooooo that nigga is such a hater
@@Noirlore facts haters go the length all they need to say is nah it aint for me not that shit was shit it was wack and drake is better. That's pure hating.
The Heart Pt 5 isn’t supposed to be like the rest of The Hearts. The album took a different turn and has a different retrospective.
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@@cachetburton9229 you are beyond beautiful.
@@willlane0913 thirst
@@gdc6153 you may be right.
It’s little more personal for him
Ish the type of dude to read comments sections then go the opposite direction......and stand on it.
Ish is…. He is too old to be so simple minded. It’s odd that someone at his age enjoys feeding off of things that don’t challenge him. He has proven that his gripe with Kendrick is that he makes you think and says things that challenge/forces the listener to reflect. I also think that he’s bothered that someone like Kendrick is even in the conversation next to his fav.
Ish and Ice trying way too hard to be controversial 😂
I’m with Joe & Parks on this take . K Dot is a Legend
😂 ish definitely was hating hard. What you mean he ain’t ride the beat 😂😂
Fast forward to today and he still hates Kendrick 😂😂😂😂
@@tcincali9642 no cap
He might shoot at kendrick for drake at this point
Its nice to hear Joe Budden giving Kendrick the flowers! So well deserved! Some earlier beefs he had i think thats been petty..but this is on point..Cheers. Always respected Joe as an artist as well..I wish he still made music.
Who's here after Kendrick dissed Cole and Drake on like that?2024 about to be lit 👀🇿🇦🔥
My fellow South African. What are you doing here 😭😂🇿🇦
Kubi Joh drake took the heart part 6
I'm here after Drake's funeral
Still dancing on Drakes grave
If only you realized how lit. Banger of a year so far
Guy on the right just wants to hear drake make TikTok songs
JOE KNEW
Ish is completely out of his mind, and addressing what Ice said: Joyner would NOT be able to pen a verse with the nuance and grace in that Kendrick portrayed. Most of his perspective shit has been gimmicky. Even I’m not a racist was not very graceful, even though it was great.
Nah dawg.. Maybe his latest work yes but if you look at Joyner earlier work then all that nuance and grace he had all of it.. He just overplayed his hand.. Listen to the song "Sorry".. Don't shit on another man to praise K. Dot
@@cageyflow5773 I love that song, I’ve listened to a lot of his earlier work. Even Ross Capicchioni is dope. But those songs are what they are about. The Heart Pt V has a much deeper message about the cycle of violence and hyper masculinity that STILL and probably ALWAYS will plague the black community heavily. I’m not down playing anything Joyner does, I’m just saying it’s levels 🤷🏾♂️. Just like Kendrick couldn’t pull off what Elzhi did with Guessing Game or Colors.
Joyner couldnt rap from nipsey perspective because he wasnt nipsey homie
Joyner entire shit is gimmicky and like SURFACE level elementary school shit. Like that first racist video.
IT WAS ELEMENTARY concept. Lol surface level as hell. " I'm not racist. "
Joe is saying what real ones know and it feels disrespectful to the English language to even argue otherwise in my opinion. And I’m not even a Kendrick diehard.
💯🔥...nuff said g!!!
The Argentina line...he was at Lollapalooza Argentina when he learned of Nipsey's passing.
JOE BUDDEN IS SPEAKING GODLY FACTS. Its easily recognized. Plus, Marvin Gaye's I want you is a classic and will never not be a bop. This is indeed a masterpiece. - YA
Please don't EVER let this dude give an opinion on music EVER again. He contradicted himself the entire conversation. 🤦🏾🙄
Which one?
Both of them did. Facts I thought I was tripping
YES
@@unleashthekrakenmsf4867 there are four people including parks
Ice right?
This is one of the best albums in years easily. It may not seem that way cause the internet is interneting and hates on 90% of the albums that have recently dropped within Hip Hop which is why music itself and artist aren’t progressing that much. Kendrick’s album got that timeless and classic feel with a great concept. It takes 5 years to make a project like that but it takes 5 brain cells and 5 seconds to reduce it to just “mid” or “trash”
I haven’t heard this is mid at all, saying it’s his best album is a drag tho
Alot of you people are saying that because you're LGBT and Kendrick Lamar fan base is now all LGBT now.
@@CertifiedRetroGaming You gotta reread that first sentence again. I said one of the best albums in years. I never ranked it with his other work
@@Customk123 You're LGBT right cuz all Kendrick Lamar fans are LGBT now?
I am just listening to Kendrick whole album. Just not for me(Everybody has an opinion RELAX!)..a couple songs good. Everybody has their fav MC. I like Ken.very uplifting music..
There are a lot of “woke/conscious” rappers that are good but there is only ONE Kendrick Lamar. There a reason why he is highly respected but it’s not just rapping, he is a true artist. You can tell he has a true passion music, poetry, art & expression even the way he uses his voice & tone. His music is unique for a reason. Imagine someone stealing a rhyme book from Kendrick & even with the same exact verse the sound/expression would not be the same
I will take Lupe all day over kendrick when it comes to conscious bars.
@@ihateflatbunz it's ok if you like Lupe more, that still doesn't take away from the greatness of Kendrick lol
@Justin DeGruy Sir I would never try to take away nothing from Kendrick he's not the only one making good woke or conscious music.
@@ihateflatbunz I'm aware that he's not the only one sir, I love Lupe too... I also like Jay Electronica, Ab-Soul, J. Cole, Elzhi, Phonte, Common, Black Thought & Blackstar so it's obvious he's not the only one doing that style of music but we not talking about these other rappers artistry right now, we're talking about Kendrick's artistry. That's why I always find it funny when someone talks about the greatness of one artist and then somebody else pops up and say "I like this other artist better" when nobody mentioned that artist in the first place lol it just comes off like your slighting the original artist trying to take away his/her shine just to big up another artist (not saying that's your intention or anything but that's how it can be perceived). 🤷🏾♂️
Joe hit the nail on the head...it's a masterpiece!! 🔥
i'm not what U would call 1 the biggest Kendrick fans/stans who claim he's theGOAT but i've always appreciated & respected his work, he's a true Emcee, student of theCraft & a real Artist who expresses hisself flawlessly, this new Album..Mr.Morale...was shockingly unexpected in the greatest way possible, it's obviously not digestable to alot of people who feed their ears/minds with mostly low-vibrational music, what Kendrick gave us is more than Music & it takes a certain level of creative thinking to appreciate & overstand the understanding of Kendrick on this level of consciousness
Who's the sweet lightskin dude on the right? I legit don't know who he is. It's giving ...
Joe Budden giving a handout to a childhood friend who couldn't make it on his own.
😂😂😂
Ish & Ice have some horrendous hip hop takes. They can not like smthn, but their "analysis" is hella surface level and based on statements with zero nuance like "this was trash", "this was not fly", "this wasn't better than the other Hearts", etc. Only one who at least tries to analyze and go deeper into the music is Joe.
That’s really the problem with their takes. They don’t have any good reason to back that up.
It proves Kendrick is miles ahead because they can’t even comprehend what the hell joe is really talking about
Kendrick goes between spoken word and rap, I think that’s why some people don’t like his flow.
I struggle with his flow tbh
But rap is spoken word 🤦🏾♂️
That’s what makes his flow so crazy to me
It’s not hard to see how good his flow is. People just use to hearing other rappers rap the same on every track.
Good perspective and excellent point.
This conversation can’t be done without mal and Rory
Word!
🤮 those dudes were straight boredom
@@BristolBerg like ice or parks is any better 😂😂
@X Mal is the reason for many classic clips from this podcast stop that
@X bro them niggas together was fucking hilarious...these niggas now be boring as fuck
16:30 Thats the exact point they're missing. Kendrick was letting everyone know he's coming just like in the other hearts. That time around he wasn't talking about coming for rappers or to tear up the charts or whatever he was coming for the culture in general. And then Mr. Morale was generally a complete fuck you to the things we value in hip hop and a demonstration of how all those bullshit things we value just lead to nothing. But pls tell me more about how its not a good song lmao.
Well now the unofficial heart part 6 is the worst
Difference in ART & Music.....Kendrick hit different on this, no need to compare it to other work
Kendrick Lamar's whole album is a banger. I've been riding around since it dropped listening to it. The message that it put out is a eye opener.
Mid asf
@@FGPlus 😂
Ish and Ice might be on a Perc 30 today. Every single The heart track is an evolution of Kendrick and every single track gets better and better.
Just because this is the time I've seen someone say this... Where on earth has anyone seen a percocet 30mg? Lol
10s 20s and 30s bro lol I think that’s the highest one.
@@PhntmStudios it’s actually roxicodone 5 10 15 30 mgs people call em percs because they both have oxycodone in em but the highest brand name Percocet u can get is a 10mg
that feeling when your friends dont get it, but they say they dont like it
To call The Heart Part 5 trash or mediocre makes me immediately discredit the rest of your opinion. We clearly have a different view on what’s good music or not.
Facts I don’t know where Joe find these dudes from….
Bruh what did kdot do to ish 😂
He offended him by not being drake
1:26 “huh”
2:17 “huh”
Lmaoooo shit got me crying bruh
Joe is rolling with two non-hiphoppers with no sense of what real hip-hop is. Get Rory n Mal back
Yea this was bad. The dude on the left didn’t even talk really…and when he did, it wasn’t worth it
Rory n Mal had much better analysis of the album
Fr Rory and Mal would’ve bodied this
That’s wild that two 40 yr olds could have that perspective 😂
Ish gets really creative with his hate.lol😂
Kendrick is literally on a different stage in music in general
I think Joe has some inside perspective on what it means to make music for a wide variety of people, where as Ice and Ish do NOT. They're judging it as CONSUMERS of hip hop, wich is fine. But Joe is judging the WORK that went into CREATING the art. Joe knows what it's like to sit down with a pen, a pad, and a beat, and have a masterpeice come out of the other end. Ice and Ish only know the lyrics to their favorite songs lol. No shade, I fw them both... But they dead wrong here
Which is why I hope joe never raps again which I don’t think he will he by the way
Ish been hating on Kendrick
Yo ish really is a hater lmaooo
Joe hit it on the head kendrick went beyond music 🤞🏾
So Ish been an OG kendrick hater wow smh
Ish: the words was fly and the beat was fly
Also ish: if this the heart I want the lungs, this shit was ass
YOU CANT MAKE THIS UP 😂😂😂
The perspective floats for Kendrick because of his relationship with Nipsey. That's literally why.
Exactly. That is blatantly obvious.
Loll game had the same relationship wit nip lmao
@@MadMaxTopShotta Right, but Game is notoriously known for clout chasing. And I hate that term but he does it.
@@MadMaxTopShotta Game couldn’t do it the Way Kendrick did though. Game would do it another way and speak from a different perspective
@@twintyro They both knew him but im pretty sure Game would do it in a great also. I don’t care about his clout chasing. Game can rap in a perspective way also. He’s done it before.
I like it when Joe speaks more non interrupted.
ABSOLUTELY
Fr
this niqqa got us light skinned brotha’s lookin hella weak right now, i definitely dont agree with this niqqa, the heart part 5 is littly, i play it loud in the car daily and i live in Long Beach, Ca
bro the album has been out for a week this whole clip thing is a good idea but when you reach the point where they're discussing how good an album that been out for a week MIGHT be then you might want to be a bit quicker with it
Hes making music for healing people that want to heal people...my soul felt change and I hope it moves like a wave on the earth.
Bro Ish was trippin in this one
The level of disrespect thank you Joe for ending it with good positive energy…. Would of thought Kendrick stole Ice and Ish Chick or something…. What’s Beef?
Beef is when ice and ish talk shit and need two gats to go to sleep
@@dwilliams380 and make Joe start they Jeeps
Ha ha ha ha ha check out this bizarre
The Heart Pt. 2 is the best Heart imo. All of them were 🔥🔥.
28:30 LITERALLY!!
People may not like what Joe says all the time, but just about everything that's been coming out of his mouth about Kendrick over the last couple years has been FACTS. Loved how hype he gets over his music, because it's literally just like me too. When Euphoria & Not Like Us dropped "IT'S OVERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!! AYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!" *Trombone & Tuba playing intensifies* 🔥🔥🔥
I think I finally understand Ish hate for Kendrick. He really hates his fans because when he has a terrible take we tell him how terrible it is 😂
Kendrick not for everybody and thats cool but I think the album and video classic...🔥💯🔥
Ish has been hating since day one 😂
It’s time to move Kendrick from realm of “rapper” to “artist”
Nah lmao, y’all just be saying random shit, He’s both, & has already been both.
someone like Kanye who is in the “ArTiST ReAlM” is an amazing Artist, but doesn’t have the credentials of a Top 5 rapper like Kendrick.
It’s important to categorize Kendrick as a “best rapper” because he’s one of the best.
@@Anonymous.Throne use your 🧠..in a rush to be “clever” you just confirmed my statement..you do realize 2 things can be true at the same time?
He's a medium.
These guys are sleeping on The Heart PT 2 , Kendrick literally cries on that record
The Heart Part 2 is amazing
@@EricMrRareAir Thas what Im saying ??? The Heart pt 2 was one of the Hardest. I still check on it
The Heart Part 2 and part 3... Masterful.
Joe's perspective on this song's craftmenship goes so hard!! "They dont have the resources to get this Beat!" Wow! I agree. The caliber K. Dot was and is rapping at is different. I do think J. Lucas could get there though.
16:24 that's literally what the heart pt 5 was -- 1) not a single, 2) an announcement that the album was coming, etc...