This is hugely informative. It teaches me that despite playing this game for years on end back in the early 00's, I know nothing about actually playing it. At least I had a lot og fun ;_;
Omg what a thrilling match up!! 2006-2008 all over again! Can’t wait to watch this. Also would be really really cool if you and moon could play some show matches. I think that would attract a huge audience. This was the best rivalry in wc3 history imo :D I think if Grubby practices enough he can match Moon
@@AgainstTheBladeOfHonour it was pretty close between them back then. But moon is certainly better right now. I think if Grubby practiced for it he could come up with some nice strategies and could maybe compete with moon. Either way it would be cool if it could happen.
@@AgainstTheBladeOfHonour During those years Moon was the best to the point that we called him "the 5th race." That being said, of course he didn't win all the times but he would typically beat Grubby/Sky/Lyn/Happy and everyone else in a majority of matches. Fun fact: At one point Grubby said he was scared his team was going to kick him if he didn't win a major tournament but then went on to beat Moon in the world cyber games finals.
I would definitely not call it simple. Tons of very delicate and smart tricks. Early disruption with GK to confuse opponent, forcing opponent to waste attacks on expand keeping fighting inbetween it and the army, summoning treants in a way that opens access to the shop, making creeps spend mana on inner fire minutes before attacking the camp, microing the wisps to repair ancient protector at unreachable positions instead of just ordering repair, hiding front line huntresses to make back ones unreachable for melee grunts and goddamn how many other things I couldn't even notice
The first time I watched you and Moon was on TV as a child. This is quite the nostalgia. Thank you for uploading and sharing this to us, Grubby. Hail the Orc Warchief!
Thank you for this peculiar, freak of a game. Not debatable or arguable... Two of the best players of their race of all time. In a friendly 1v1 2022... I never thought i'd live to see days like these, so Grubby... My thanks to you, and my love for your cause is heartfelt and endless. Your content is to be cherrished! Thank you so much. 💯
What a gulf of difference between Grubby and Moon! He was three steps ahead the whole game. Higher level heroes, preparing his trap, while keeping Grubby wondering what he's doing the whole time. That tree clear to access the shop was truly a 4D chess moment.
Moon seems to be back to his 2007 Fifth Race mode. Just watched the series between him and Happy. While Lyn has been able to beat Happy in BO5 and BO6 recently, it's always fairly close in series between Lyn and Happy. This is honestly the only time I've seen Happy get dominated in a series since his return from SC2 in 2016. Happy not only got outplayed on the macro front, but Moon even beat him in micro in 90% of battles. Lyn and Moon, the two old gods of WC3, seem to be peaking again. I have a very strong suspicion that the next Grand Final will be between these two.
If you are talking about the recent TP league finals, Happy plays against Moon on Netease so he has at least 100 ping disadvantage. I don't think Moon will beat him on fair Ping.
@@stanleytseng7605 Lyn has won 3 games Vs Happy on WC3 Champions where Happy has ping advantage. Happy has also lost to both Lyn and Infi on LAN. Ping is not the big a factor. 100 millisecond is not that much,. I usually play with 200 ping and I am a top 1% player on WC3 Champions with a 1,950 MMR. Even Romantic has beaten Happy on LAN.
@@petercoderch589 Thats silly man, ping matters for sure. Even for 1500 mmr 150 ping sucks. Anyways, saying ping doesnt matter much because you are 1950 doesnt mean much, Happy is 2800... you're not even at a semi-pro level, Happy is the best of the pros... big difference there
Hi Grubby, would you ever consider reaching out to Moon to setup a quick interview? It would be so awesome to witness two all time greats just catch up and talk warcraft 3
@@FollowGrubby Current plight of WC3 and where he sees the game headed in the next couple years. Also just general things like how his life has been since the peak of good ole days of televised e-sports and who he still keeps in touch with regularly amongst the OG WC3 professionals and just how everyone is doing in Korea. I'd imagine WC3 community would have a ton of questions for the Fifth Race. Cheers
@@FollowGrubby How much creativity plays a role in his enjoyment of the game; what he finds most exciting about the future of wc3; how he stays motivated to play at a high level; does he have close friends from his years of playing; would He consider playing 2v2 or 4v4 with grubby one weekend ! I’d donate $ toward that collab
I remember back in the day having clicks per minute analyzers and being super into the game. So cool to revisit and see a live stream of my two favorite players and how they play with their mouse clicks and strategy commentary. The community skill has grown so much thanks to streaming and youtube.
You are my #1 personal legend in history of Warcraft 3 BUT if I were forced to acknowledge that indeed there is someone out there who has been a bigger legend for this amazing game it be Moon.
Analysis at the end was very valuable. I would appreciate if you do this on more of your games.. 4v4s included. It is very impressive how Moon forces you into taking disadvantageous decisions - you just HAD to fight between his expo and his army, while he has shop control - and as bad as it seemed, you had no better option available.. :)
Moon has always been one of my favourite players to watch, such a clean playstyle! Forcing the fight to be in that location was just super strong, either you let him have expo for free or fight at a disadvantage where he has the shop right next to him, very good preparation.
GG This is really a top tier battle btw you and Moon. The strategy and controls of units, the timing of attack and defense and the choice of troops set you guys from normal players move. And that's why it's so exciting to watch you play. Good job Grubby. Hope you win your next one against Moon. I really enjoy it.
It's the most obvious sign of a master applying his craft when you're watching them perform and you think to yourself... "what's all the fuss about?! I can do THAT! it's easy!" Win or lose, gg all the same. WP both of you.
17:30 "If I don't attack his tree, then he doesn't come at all. Super interesting, thanks I was wondering if that was really the case watching it. So high level
Also... a bit of observation on moons playstyle... You need detection... getting witch doctors are useful because you'll still be able to reveal a portion of the map since moon enjoys shadow melding a lot.
Grubby, have you thought of adding a heartbeat counter in your streams? Some streamers do it, and seeing their heartbeats under pressure is cool. I think it'll be even greater in Warcraft because it's more intense!
If it was actually moon seems like he was playing anon to practice secret strats. Super cool video grubby, I remember your showmatch with moon a few years ago, The hunts wyvern play on twisted
Being at 51 Food for a while also hurt. Now, I wonder if having 1 Demolisher would have helped? Either does major damage to Huntresses, or they have to waste moves dodging it, and when it isn't busy doing that, it can bomb Moon's expo from afar.
@@zergonnemesis5431 Grubby is definitely Naruto. This was like that fight when they were both kids at the Valley of the End and Naruto used his tailed beast form against Sasuke’s Cursed Mark form. Sasuke won that fight and left to find Orochimaru.
Dang, I forgot how long the units in this game take to die, it's almost like nothing happens in the fights. If the movie was like the game, it would be days long. The single player campaign was fun to play though.
Happy,Lny,infi,TH000,Eer0,lawLiet,Foggy,Sok...they good players now,But in my country,there're only three people could be called "the legend",they are Sky , Grubby and Moon. The title should be "A LEGEND Facing A LEGEND"!!!
![Grubby vs Deathnote 2 | "LVL 8 BM" [LEGENDARY] | Warcraft 3 | ORC vs HU | Echo Isles](/img/n.gif)
This is hugely informative. It teaches me that despite playing this game for years on end back in the early 00's, I know nothing about actually playing it. At least I had a lot og fun ;_;
you are fucking noob :D just as all of us ;)
GG! No shame losing to Moon, Moon has been in great shape recently; he even beat Happy in a series!
Omg what a thrilling match up!! 2006-2008 all over again! Can’t wait to watch this. Also would be really really cool if you and moon could play some show matches. I think that would attract a huge audience. This was the best rivalry in wc3 history imo :D I think if Grubby practices enough he can match Moon
I believe during those years Grubby was the better player? Now Moon's still competitive so he's better
@@AgainstTheBladeOfHonour it was pretty close between them back then. But moon is certainly better right now. I think if Grubby practiced for it he could come up with some nice strategies and could maybe compete with moon. Either way it would be cool if it could happen.
@@theJuggler07 sad thing is he will never practice again.
It could maybe take half a year to get back into competitive shape though, and Grubby doing so much stuff
@@AgainstTheBladeOfHonour During those years Moon was the best to the point that we called him "the 5th race." That being said, of course he didn't win all the times but he would typically beat Grubby/Sky/Lyn/Happy and everyone else in a majority of matches. Fun fact: At one point Grubby said he was scared his team was going to kick him if he didn't win a major tournament but then went on to beat Moon in the world cyber games finals.
Something about the playstyle of Moon is so nostalgic. Simple and effective
Mass HUNTS, FEED ME.
"Simple" XD
I would definitely not call it simple. Tons of very delicate and smart tricks. Early disruption with GK to confuse opponent, forcing opponent to waste attacks on expand keeping fighting inbetween it and the army, summoning treants in a way that opens access to the shop, making creeps spend mana on inner fire minutes before attacking the camp, microing the wisps to repair ancient protector at unreachable positions instead of just ordering repair, hiding front line huntresses to make back ones unreachable for melee grunts and goddamn how many other things I couldn't even notice
This guy is simply a genius I love watching him
The first time I watched you and Moon was on TV as a child. This is quite the nostalgia. Thank you for uploading and sharing this to us, Grubby. Hail the Orc Warchief!
For me, it was watching the highlight of him non-stop surrounding NE heroes with Beyond The Game as the background music, purely epic.
"Never trust an elf" - Grubbli the Dwarf
Grubby please organize tournament with old WC3 players, todd, moon, th000, fly, lyn, you, focus, happy etc :D it would be great to watch
pls no todd. He is a salty boy
And Sky?
also Infi maybe
b2w already does that
And taker
Thank you for this peculiar, freak of a game. Not debatable or arguable... Two of the best players of their race of all time. In a friendly 1v1 2022... I never thought i'd live to see days like these, so Grubby... My thanks to you, and my love for your cause is heartfelt and endless. Your content is to be cherrished! Thank you so much. 💯
Never seen Grubby get so outplayed before. That was fun to watch!
Well it's Moon, just the Legend of the game.
Funny thing is that Happy destroys Moon in much the same way (except the most recent game)
I have a degree in mechanical domineering
@@jcb3933 prime Moon would destroy happy. Only other guy who can match up to him is Grubby
@@RKO859 Wasnt Happy world top wc3 player together with Grubby and Moon is 2nd 🤔?
SICK, I feel like a kid again watching wc3 replays from my favorite players. Thanks for this.
What a masterful trap of his hero in the beginning. It's adorable seeing Grub get a little starstruck at his old rival ^^
What a gulf of difference between Grubby and Moon! He was three steps ahead the whole game. Higher level heroes, preparing his trap, while keeping Grubby wondering what he's doing the whole time. That tree clear to access the shop was truly a 4D chess moment.
I always get shivers, when I hear the name Moon together with WC3. No offense Grubster, but since I played Elv, he always was my favourite :>
Moon seems to be back to his 2007 Fifth Race mode. Just watched the series between him and Happy. While Lyn has been able to beat Happy in BO5 and BO6 recently, it's always fairly close in series between Lyn and Happy. This is honestly the only time I've seen Happy get dominated in a series since his return from SC2 in 2016. Happy not only got outplayed on the macro front, but Moon even beat him in micro in 90% of battles. Lyn and Moon, the two old gods of WC3, seem to be peaking again. I have a very strong suspicion that the next Grand Final will be between these two.
If you are talking about the recent TP league finals, Happy plays against Moon on Netease so he has at least 100 ping disadvantage. I don't think Moon will beat him on fair Ping.
@@stanleytseng7605 Lyn has won 3 games Vs Happy on WC3 Champions where Happy has ping advantage. Happy has also lost to both Lyn and Infi on LAN. Ping is not the big a factor. 100 millisecond is not that much,. I usually play with 200 ping and I am a top 1% player on WC3 Champions with a 1,950 MMR. Even Romantic has beaten Happy on LAN.
@@stanleytseng7605 I bet you use ping as an excuse IRL
@@petercoderch589 Thats silly man, ping matters for sure. Even for 1500 mmr 150 ping sucks. Anyways, saying ping doesnt matter much because you are 1950 doesnt mean much, Happy is 2800... you're not even at a semi-pro level, Happy is the best of the pros... big difference there
Hi Grubby, would you ever consider reaching out to Moon to setup a quick interview? It would be so awesome to witness two all time greats just catch up and talk warcraft 3
Been thinking about it.. what would you ask him?
I’d watch. In fact if I saw that video upcoming I’d take pto just to enjoy it
@@FollowGrubby Current plight of WC3 and where he sees the game headed in the next couple years.
Also just general things like how his life has been since the peak of good ole days of televised e-sports and who he still keeps in touch with regularly amongst the OG WC3 professionals and just how everyone is doing in Korea. I'd imagine WC3 community would have a ton of questions for the Fifth Race. Cheers
@@FollowGrubby How much creativity plays a role in his enjoyment of the game; what he finds most exciting about the future of wc3; how he stays motivated to play at a high level; does he have close friends from his years of playing; would
He consider playing 2v2 or 4v4 with grubby one weekend ! I’d donate $ toward that collab
@@FollowGrubby What is he doing nowadays, cause you can't live playing wc3 anymore :P ?
I remember back in the day having clicks per minute analyzers and being super into the game. So cool to revisit and see a live stream of my two favorite players and how they play with their mouse clicks and strategy commentary. The community skill has grown so much thanks to streaming and youtube.
I was never a big NE fan back in the day, but I always liked Moon. He was a great player, and I loved seeing his play style.
You are my #1 personal legend in history of Warcraft 3 BUT if I were forced to acknowledge that indeed there is someone out there who has been a bigger legend for this amazing game it be Moon.
Analysis at the end was very valuable. I would appreciate if you do this on more of your games.. 4v4s included.
It is very impressive how Moon forces you into taking disadvantageous decisions - you just HAD to fight between his expo and his army, while he has shop control - and as bad as it seemed, you had no better option available.. :)
I am quite impressed by the "Endurance Aura. He has a tree in the red spot." Took me a second to see how that made sense.
Moon has always been one of my favourite players to watch, such a clean playstyle! Forcing the fight to be in that location was just super strong, either you let him have expo for free or fight at a disadvantage where he has the shop right next to him, very good preparation.
GG
This is really a top tier battle btw you and Moon. The strategy and controls of units, the timing of attack and defense and the choice of troops set you guys from normal players move. And that's why it's so exciting to watch you play.
Good job Grubby. Hope you win your next one against Moon. I really enjoy it.
Games like this give me anxiety. I'm clutching muscles watching and don't realize it.
Been playing wc3 since RoC came out. Moon and grubby have always been my two favorite players.
WC3 is like a real war and the player is the king. Omg the action in this game is insane
Love all the Matches 1vs1, the WTii custom maps, the 4vs4. Such a great time to be alive. I'm so nostalgic!!
Wooooow... Again fácil Moon. What an epic history between you two ❤️
Wow, this was such a great game Grubby! I thoroughly enjoyed it. You played exceptionally well.
it has been over 15 years and it just great to watch you guys have a nice match.
I can see grubby is playing on max gear here. Extreme tactics because opponent is no noob this time 😉
Whenever Grubby plays against Moon it reminds me of WEG 2006 finals, good times!
during my childhood i watched literally this matchup all the time. wow.
Seriously fs should always be number 1 infinite free scouts. It's been almost 20 years and you taught me that.
It's the most obvious sign of a master applying his craft when you're watching them perform and you think to yourself... "what's all the fuss about?! I can do THAT! it's easy!"
Win or lose, gg all the same. WP both of you.
17:30 "If I don't attack his tree, then he doesn't come at all. Super interesting, thanks I was wondering if that was really the case watching it. So high level
I remember watching grubby vs Lyn back then. Wonder if he still plays? 😮
Impressive that Huge OG names like Happy, MooN and Grubby still plays WC3 🙂
Lyn still plays and is returning to shape marvelously. Happy will be really endangered when Moon and Lyn return to prime shape.
3:18 Get 'em!!!
GG That was an awesome game to watch, makes me want to try some of these strategies.
Also... a bit of observation on moons playstyle...
You need detection... getting witch doctors are useful because you'll still be able to reveal a portion of the map since moon enjoys shadow melding a lot.
Grubby, have you thought of adding a heartbeat counter in your streams? Some streamers do it, and seeing their heartbeats under pressure is cool. I think it'll be even greater in Warcraft because it's more intense!
Wow Moon just went through him almost every encounter
Insanely high level of play
This match was insane. The micro to save every unit.
Me pretending to know what's going on
Grubby and moon the veterans legends of wow3. Still young and awesome 😂
Insightful game and clean analysis in the end. Nice one!
Grubby, the Rocky Balboa of WC3.
Damn he had them huntresses tied down so they couldn’t die crazy
If it was actually moon seems like he was playing anon to practice secret strats.
Super cool video grubby, I remember your showmatch with moon a few years ago, The hunts wyvern play on twisted
This alchemist heal is working overtime this game.
I've never seen Moon used this ID before in his stream. I don't know whether it's Moon or not but it does feel like him.
"He sees everything..."
-Grubby
Miss you in the tournaments. Thanks for your videos
3:05 Wa-oooo amazing！
GRUBB you are a legend too brother!! Grubb I still cheer for you , what an amazing battle brother, I never get tired of watching your gameplays =D
facing a legend? more like two legends facing eachother!
I remember downloading 4k.grubby replays off wc3replays, it's like 2004 again why is Google recommending this so randomly, lol
I remember watching these two legends play in a channel called Arirang 😆😆
so many years ago,... this guy ... gave me my name for almost all games after it.. EasyMoON...
whoa,barcode have a promising career as night elf
At last!!! This is the game I've waited for.
This brings me back.
Moon mustve truly felt great when facing the legend
Thanks Grubby for your content !
replaying world championship finals at the height of the game.
Yeah first! Nice match up. Reminiscence. good old time
Definitely a nostalgia trip!
Being at 51 Food for a while also hurt.
Now, I wonder if having 1 Demolisher would have helped? Either does major damage to Huntresses, or they have to waste moves dodging it, and when it isn't busy doing that, it can bomb Moon's expo from afar.
I was wondering who this player was the other day and couldn't really get a straight answer. Amazing record, regardless if it really is Moon.
Grubby and Moon are actually besties… basically the Naruto and Sasuke of WC3.
Cool analogy!
Who is the Naruto?
@@zergonnemesis5431 Grubby is definitely Naruto. This was like that fight when they were both kids at the Valley of the End and Naruto used his tailed beast form against Sasuke’s Cursed Mark form. Sasuke won that fight and left to find Orochimaru.
Let me guess. Orochimaru is Happy?
Dang, I forgot how long the units in this game take to die, it's almost like nothing happens in the fights. If the movie was like the game, it would be days long. The single player campaign was fun to play though.
Facing a legend… being a legend himself
The good old WCG times
Came here after T1 warcraft 3 tournament!
I still would like to play with my undead. You absolutely murdered my night elf..I want revenge.
Holy smoke... Memories...
Next time , 5 grunts 3 headhunters maybe ..? .. anyways very gg!
THIS IS TOOO EXCITING OMG
Now i want kim deanna as an announcer
@2:24 inner fire creep it?
Imagine if Moon was in the fucking chat watching grubby stream and that's why he said "GL HF" instead of "GL"
The Fifth Race himself!
At least you weren't playing on Moon Temple(Lost Temple).
Always fun to watch mass huntress. Or something...
facing weak shade of his former self past his prime
I was gonna say - if Grubby loses convincingly, it is Moon 😂😂😂
5:45 cool
Thanks for the game !
i think after he forced the tp creeping was the right move. he lost so much time on that scouting that gained almost nothing.
omg back to the 2006 era
I think grunts have been attacking tree of life during fighting for too long.
excelente muito bom ver os velhos tempos
The micro is so fast my brain can't keep up. That's why my apm is like 5.
Is there a WC this game style coming back its sooo needed.
I'm out of the loop but this looks exactly like the original WC3. Is it Reforged?
you can play reforged with the original graphics
vs mass huntress, don't you want some other units than just grunts / shamans?
Why is video fisheye-like? His head look so side squished lol🤣🤣
legend facing legend...
Happy,Lny,infi,TH000,Eer0,lawLiet,Foggy,Sok...they good players now,But in my country,there're only three people could be called "the legend",they are Sky , Grubby and Moon. The title should be "A LEGEND Facing A LEGEND"!!!
Dam Moon got all the creeps
Good old days :D
How many Ancients of War did Moon have in this game, and how far did he go with his research for Hunt damage and armour?