BMW R1200GS Adventure vs. KTM 1290 Super Adventure | ON TWO WHEELS
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- For years BMW's R1200GS has been king of the adventure touring category. In particular, the up-spec Adventure model. Now, KTM's Super Adventure is on the scene and looking for the ADV crown. In this episode of OTW, Zack Courts and Editor In Chief Marc Cook take these two across California to determine a winner. In an odd twist, wet-behind-the-ears Zack seems to like the venerable GS-A, while the more stately EIC is in love with the rambunctious new KTM. Take a ride with Marc and Zack to see how these two ADV giants stack up side by side. You also might recognize a certain special guest in this episode...
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Well, I can’t afford either of these so...I’ll just have to stick with my little, inexpensive, indestructible, CRF 250 while I dream of having a big pimpin’ KTM or BMW.
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cheezy video with no real recommendation. Cliche after cliche. Come on guys, was this filmed for HGTV or for people interested in motorcycles?
I have both and like them for different reasons, wont sell either one. You list 135 hp on the ktm ? all my specs say 160
I bought the KTM and have no regrets. I have put 23,000 plus miles on it over the last year and a half. If I could buy a GS I would! I believe both are great machines.
I just finished a 3400 mile trip on a BMW R1150GS Adventure today. I absolutely LOVE these big dual sport bikes! However, despite all the new electronic goodness of the R1200GS, I'll stick with the primitive road fixable mechanical R1150GS ADV!
Do-anything flexibility? Bone simple and reliable? Repairable in the remotest reaches and easy to get parts? KLR650. Accept no substitute. It's equally awkward on paved roads and fire roads, easier to pick up when you drop it, and a LOT cheaper to fix. These many virtues free the KLR rider to attempt more stupid things with fewer regrets.
Working at a KTM dealership I saw first hand the fact that KTM engines have issues and maintenance is critical to the dependability of the KTM. Where BMW is a tried and tested machine and has a long standing record of dependability. Maintenance on the BMW is not nearly as critical to its dependability like with the KTM. So for those who want to ride and not wrench on their bike I would suggest the BMW hands down. KTM's have not been tested like the BMW. I don't believe that the KTM engine has the stamina of the BMW work horse engine that has been around for a long time.
I somehow cannot understand how you could state that the KTM is not better off-road than the BMW with its Telelever suspension. This kind of suspension is not helping off-road as far as I'm concerned. Front end dive prevention is great on the tarmac but on uneven surfaces I'd see it as a disadvantage since it doesn't handle "bulges" as well. Instead or going somehow "over" working with the shock absorber, it will lift the whole front of the bike. Or am I wrong? It kind of wants to go "through" it rather than over it. I had this explained by some guys who were supposed to be doing quite a lot of off-roading on motorcycles. They were switching from R1200GS' to KTMs. Anyway, I know that the GS is a brilliant bike on the road. Actually, I've never ridden anything that well-balanced. At the same time, I really cannot stand how the boxer engine works and therefore perceive the KTM as a more complete bike with its powerful and great-sounding V2 engine. Cheers and thanks for the vid!
I have to say both of these bikes are amazing, but I wish that BMW could have a bit more power comparing to KTM. Anyone remember "Long Way Round" with Ewan Mcgregor and Charley Boorman when they went around the world on their BMW bikes. Remember that story? Whent hey wanted to go on a KTM but KTM sead basically 'We will not give you bikes, because the bikes will make the wchole journey but you two will not be able to' so basically they were scared against bad advert. After that decision they called BMW and asked them for 2 bikes basically saying 'Ok you gives as the bikes for the journey that will be the best advert for your motorbikes and it also be a good test'. Guess what BMW sead!! 'NO PROBLEM' Next day bikes were ready waiting for them.
That have nothing to do with this video, but I don't like KTM for wah they did and i was positively suprised by BMW that they feel comfortable with their bikes, this is my opinion.
+Lukasz Bat Yes I remember that and it was the WORST marketing decision that KTM ever made, which I'm sure they have regretted and kicking themselves in the ass ever since. Wonder if they fired the Manager in charge at the time for the bad decision? Anyways, that show is partly why I bought my R12GSA in 08, the other is I loved the 98 1100GS which started my love of adventure bikes. BMW all the way!
You will be pleased to hear that BMW currently reworks the r1200 engine and with what they have in testing at the moment has I think 150hp
Lukasz Bat. How much more power you'd need on these beasts.?? They've already produced more than enough for me I guess, these are basically for adventurous beasts machines. You could get a Hayabusa with as much colossal brute power available btw.
There is second side of the story that is not being well known. BMW said yes but they sent trucks with parts along Evan and Charlie. Story is that they exchanged enough parts during Long way round to build couple of new r1200gs's.
Some people say that KTM, known for their bikes winning Dakkar races, would suffer reputation hit if Long way round ended up a failure.
The dirt and gravel these guys rode down could have been navigated by a Harley Road King... hardly an example of "adventure" touring.
They, Didn't even take the KTM off road...
That would destroy the soup....they want to say that telelever is better than wp 48 in dirt....perhaps they drive moto with back wheel in dirt ....new thing we learn ....lol
Well 1:18 kinda dropped the hint.
@@ΘΑΝΑΣΗΣΣΤΑΥΡΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-υ1ι I’m a GS fanboy and admit without hesitation that ktm is wayyyyy better off road than the gs. It’s better on road too.
When I drink whiskey... I drink whiskey... and when I drink water... I drink water. When I ride dirt... I ride a dirt bike... when I ride road... I ride a road bike. And when I buy an old dirt bike for 1500... and I buy an old road bike for 1500... I laugh all the way to the bank!
i'll take the New Africa Twin for almost half price and stikk have fun while looking good.
you can buy yamaha xtz 660 tenere for less than half price )))
Not in America :(
GOOD FOR YOU
not saying you are wrong but people buying KTMs and BMWs obviously don't get those bikes because they are the cheapest... facepalm
KLR 650!
Ugh this review seems pretty biased. I recently rode the R1200GSA, 1190, 1190R and 1290SA.... All for about an hour each in various conditions. The 1290SA feels like the 1190S except slightly larger/bulky. Who would have thought? The only limitation is the tires. Proclaiming that the KTM 1290SA is only for the road..... is just ludicrous.
As a side note the 1190/1290 motors are absolutely vicious. Not just the power, but they have a LOT of character.
I liked all the bikes, and would gladly own any of them. Time to start saving up for next spring.
Great video with a strong storytelling that makes it pleasant to watch! Even in 2019. ;-) Well done Motorcyclist Magazine!
I tried both. KTM is good one, but V shape engine has more vibration than BMW boxer. So I decided to take Bimer, only because of vibration.
Where was the offroad comparison lol?
Will you take $20000 motorcycle offroad?
Right!!! The ktm is a dirt orientated adv not a mountain rode riding cruiser
These videos are painfully scripted.
Renato Piereck fi
I'm totally confused this article indicates that the KTM is no good off road? as far as i can tell they didn't test it. I have to be missing something, there isn't a sole that hasn't admitted that the KTM 1190 isn't about 1000% better off road then the GS1200 and is potentially better on road as well. Is the contention that they add 100cc to the same chassis and now what was the ultimate BMW killer is now worthless off road? you need to clarify there isn't a dirt oriented rider out here that isn't scratching their heads in utter confusion at the BMW propaganda film we just watched Heir Motorcycle Magazine??????? let me be more clear WTF? and thanks for reminding me why i don't subscribe
+Russell Stromberg IF the ktm were good they took it to the land !!
+Sérgio André Not land DIRT!!
sorry Sergio, don't quite understand what your trying to say buddy. but if i tried it in Italian it would be total gibberish :)
+Russell Stromberg Sergio is definitely not italian, because in italy we write that name without accents on the vowels... but he's for sure a BMW fanboy....
Neither make sense. F800GS doesn't hold a candle to the 1190 and the original article still smacks of a propaganda piece.
thanks for the review guys. great video. I'd go for the r1200gs after watching this video.
Tou Xiong wise choice buddy
Tou Xiong : after watching this stupid video even the CEO of KTM would buy a BMW. It's total nonsense.....
Great review. I would only have to strongly disagree on the off road view of the 1290 SA you took. This bike is essentially a 1190 Adv wih same chassis and more power plus gismos and that bike is universally seen to be better than the standard GS off road. So how can this bike be worse than the 1200 GS adv considering it is substantially lighter? I don't think you really tried it off road.
poulan9 Same thing I was thinking. I don't see the GS hanging with the KTM in dirt or street, but maybe there is some level of comfort where it excels like a Lexus or something.
poulan9 I rode a 1290 sa, and it wasn't confidence inspiring off road, felt wishy washy because all it did was spin the tire, and the suspension was too street oriented.
poulan9 i agree, how can KTM (the offroad specialist) be more bad (than BMW) at offroad then anything else, especially the 1190 Adventure R is so much better then any BMW (according to a lot of reviews at youtube and text reviews on the internet)
poulan9 most people couldn't care less about off-road capabilities. And frankly, riding down a gravel back road isn't what I call off-road anyway. If you really wanted to, you could ride a Honda Shadow on the same back road that the GS in the video was on. I've put 130,000 miles on My R/100/GS, with it's 60 hp. It's never failed to get me there and get me back. If someone offered to trade me a brand new KTM or GS for it, I'd have to think about it. I'd hate to see that bike go, I've made mistakes like that and regretted it later. I wish I'd kept my R/75/5, I didn't really need to sell it, but the previous owner wanted it back so bad I let him have it.
Well, it's late Friday afternoon, I've caught up work and think I'll take a ride. Been awhile since I've been on the GS. It's old and tired looking, but supremely comfortable. I've taken it off road a few times, when I miss a corner. The last time a hot little babe in a bikini caused me to get airborne. She shouldn't be cutting grass looking like that, it can kill an old man.
505197 Cool stories bro. My neighbour has a R100 GS and they seem to have reliability that modern BMWs do not and he kept up surprisingly well with me for the most part on my much more modern KTM 950 in the corners although not so well on the straights. I can imagine that once you have bonded with one they are difficult to part with. For me they are too dated after having more modern bikes.
Hi Zack & Marc. As a GS adventure owner I am bias towards BMW. Like allot of GS owners I will never take it offroad. I bought the GS for its all round versatility. Our Scottish roads are not the best at times and the GS soaks them up effortlessly. As a comparison I think you guys should have ridden both bike equally on and off road for the benefit of the readers. No discussion regarding the chain vs shaft drive. Weight, pannier capacity and ease of us. Guys, really enjoy your video's and reviews but this was possibly not the best thought out review, although still entertaining.
I disagree, they discussed weight and all the other elements you mention are so refined and well implemented that it all comes down to preference. The fact you mention these categories probably means you already know the answers you’re looking for. Why state the obvious in a review, I want their opinions and feelings over the bikes which these guys reveal in totality.
The GS looks better. So brutal.
Poop nuggets that bmw.
The super adventure r looks better than the s
For me personally, the super adventure is ugly as sin...
both bikes are awesome!!!!!!!!!
-i prefer BMW by the way.
The KTM is flawed. It has a Chain final drive.
The single most valid reason for my choice - BMW R1200GS L/C Adventure
Yeah.....until your final drive craps out....and it will...
+kees ketsers silly sausage.
I'd like to hear about your fatal final drive failures .... usually it's some blokes mates brother down the pub.
me? 25 years of hammering BMW final drives. over 140k and not a sausage.
+Nigel Collinson talk to people on the dutch bmw gs club forum. LOTS of crapped final drives and dropped exhaust valves. It's not a secret you know.
+kees ketsers like I've said . I don't require to ask anyone . a bloke down the pub or an online forum. Myself and many of my friends have never had any issues with any of the issues you chose to believe.
I'm sure one day. if you work hard. you could own your own BMW and rid your envy.
silly sausage.
+Nigel Collinson i own the super adventure so no thank you, money to spare. I owned more than 30 bikes in 20 years, including 5 bmw's which gave me nothing but trouble including the shaft drive. Bloke in pub? I have friends i ride with that own beemers and they talked me out of a new bmw. I also promised myself never to buy one again but still came very close. I do like the new gs and the lc engine a lot, just don' t trust it anymore....
it's a shame to call these "tanks" Adventure motorcycles. They are both way to heavy for offroad riding and are way to complicated for a trip to some place without a dealer (try to find someone that fix your cardan shaft drive or your Keihin fuel injection on the road of bones) and their are way to expensive.
Why is everyone so obsessed about the road of bones......NO ONE IS GOING THERE! Adventure is not equal to heavy offroading. There are people riding all around the world on a 2-stroke scooter.
Come and ride to Leh/ladakh in India :-) Your concepts will change forever :-)
The "Sticky out motor" is the whole reason I want a BMW.. keeps your feet warm in winter!
Oh yes, one more bit of opinion, I have had numerous BMWS and I absolutely have loved them. They just need to step up on the power . The boxer needs more power to bring in more buyers.
Bob Seger i think 125 hp is enough to get you trouble while offroading, why you need more hp?
Jack Sparrow : because it's FUN!
Never seems to be enough Horse - Power after riding the same bike for about a month. Yes, I do agree that 125 HP is plenty of power but I have to admit that the more HP THE BETTER.
This was an unpleasant experience. Please do better and unbiased reviews.
The most important comparisons are those they've dodged, as usual. Which of the bikes is the most reliable. Which one of these bikes do you want to be riding when you're a couple of thousand miles from home, perhaps in a country whose language you do not speak. How hard is it to get parts or to find service, perhaps, in the event of a major mechanical breakdown? How easy is the bike for the average rider to perform routine maintenance and minor repairs in the field? That's what these machines are designed for - taking you places where you've not been before and that at times means blacktop, gravel, dirt and washouts or arroyos. That's the beauty of these machines - planning routes to explore places you simply can't transit on a sport bike or a cruiser. I've been riding my 12GS since I bought it in 2006 and it's still doing everything I ask of it and it's taken me through a lot of places where I wouldn't have wanted anything else. I chose it over the KTM 990 because I could do more with the engine myself while miles away from home.
ktm 1290 review
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Wow Well done and entertaining. Great evaluation between these two bikes. The best U tube eval I've seen in this category. Fair and concise on the issues and details what about gas capacity? GPS usability integration of accessories, luggage design and capacity? You could hit those issues at the end of the ride. How well do the heated grips work on each? Center stand usage? Headlight brightness at night?
HP #'s are off for the KTM. It has 160 HP not 135 HP.
Very nice review. I think, KTM is better motorbike than BMW, It's true, BMW is "only" 1200 and KTM is "only 1290 but 100cc is nothing, KTM is very strong motorbike and Have very nice Design. So, my vote is for KTM.
Sorry for my faults. English is not my natural language.
I think the biggest difference will be the dealership network. BMW has a huge network of trained dealers who have experience working on the GS across Canada and the United States. I have not yet had the dealer confidence on KTM dealers that I have walked into. I am certain that if the KTM broke up here in Canada or northern United States, it would be the first time a KTM mechanic will have ever seen one whereas the BMW dealer propable has all the parts in stock... So if I were planning to travel and needed a dealer network for support, I would go with the GS
Peter Sanderson You may have a point on the larger dealer / service network for BMW than for KTM up here, but the guys that I have talked to riding the old GS's tell stories about a new GS breaking down and still having to wait 2 weeks for the parts to come in. Either way, your left on the side of the road, then at a dealership that knows you have absolutely 0 options. Reliability is a big factor for me, and based on all that I have heard, BMW is so-so. I would love to know how KTM compares. So far, my Triumph Tiger has been 100%.
Good review as always guy's. Can I ask what comms system you are using?
Please make a 400 lb adventure bike with a drive shaft and cruise control. That is all I need to explore the back roads.
Guys, that's best you can do? Seriously though, these are indeed the best of the best. KTM needs more mileage under its belt for this luxo adventure segment. What about mechanics and dealer networks? Reliability? Maintenance costs? Come on guys, don't be afraid to upset people. Say what you want to say.
Chris Birch has a different opinion about the KTM. It is the most capable and super of road bike of the bunch. Sorry guys.
Should have been the GSA against the 1190R, and the GS against the 1190.
Nice review guys, I've also ridden both on dirt and blacktop and they are simply awesome bikes!
Bikes come and go, GS remains as the King of all! Buy the one that is as timeless as a Rolex.
Agreed. I like that other brands are competing in this space now... but the GS.... AMAZING.
Love the KTM. But for an adventure bike, I prefer to have the shaft drive maintenance free option.
STen - most underrated ADV bike in the world... however... having spent a fair amount of time on both bikes, you do get a lot for the extra $10,000.
Tim Allen That's how it usually works when one makes the Japan vs. Europe bike decision. If you have a priority on reliability - you go with the Japanese. Obviously I opted for the the European (Ducati in my case) giggle inducing performance - along with the fantastic electronics package - but the Tenere is a very solid package.
Tim Allen I've got 25k on my 15 multi, I'd buy it again without a second thought, it's had typical European bike annoyances but nothing I don't forget 2 seconds into every ride. The 18k valve adjustment interval is longer than most of the bikes I've owned... though it took some planning to avoid having it fall in the middle of a 13,000 miler I'm doing next April.
It also ways a shit ton more which is bad for an adventure bike
The issue is - if shaft drive fails you will have plenty of expenses as new shaft is approx $1000. It might last lifetime of a bike though and then its better value. Shaft drive reduces amount of hp that is output on rear wheel.
There is no way a 600 lbs bike is going to be a good for off road and a very bad review all they talked about is the motors.
I had the same thoughts... Not any more those gs's feel like my Ktm 300 and the balance is just phenomenal. Bmw has really got it figured out
moe ridesKTM I guess they are ok for light trails and the BMW would be better off road and why are they comparing the BMW to the this KTM and not the KTM adventure?I ride a crf250L and love it a great bike for $5K.
.... an ignorant again. have you ever heard about the gs trophy ?
BMW always win .... ON TWO WHEELS reviews
I have this 2016 1290 T and yes I ride off road rallies and highway on it. Plus its a 160HP 140ft/lbs on the KTM. Both are such great Bikes.
Does a bird have a beak.. does it fly.. I want the BMW :)
Africa Twin... yes please! xD
I was gonna suggest it too!
+Vega Rapidus The AFRICA is nothing more then a BIG-FAT OVER-WEIGHT Dirt-Bike! It has absolutely, NO-On-pavement manners. It is way to light in the front, and has no real place for extra gear for an over-night. I'm certain that this new Honda will be seen in the "Back" of Pick-Up Trucks & Trailers. To small for the road to heavy and cumbersome for the dirt. Sorry Honda nice try but the only place for this bike is in the back of pick-ups next to the WANNA BE "HARLEY (PHONY) CROWDS".
+Vega Rapidus LOL!
+Vega Rapidus Bob Seger, no DOUBT!!!!
Ahem, watching this in the end of 2018 makes me smile :) Ktm grinds beemer in to the ground on offroad
2016 Honda CRF1000L Africa Twin! End of debate!
thats noncence , its in a lower league
Ktm for me because they have more eager and engaging ride characteristics that enhance the sporty natural of the bike.
They always seem like they are designed to be ridden hard to the limit and finish ride saying "that was crazy"! 😎
Next time test both bikes off road, that is what people want to see. Nobody cares about how great the KTM works on pavement, we want to know how well it works in the rough. BS review if you ask me.
hammerki1 Exactly
hammerki1 Big ass ADV bikes are useless in dirt, they are for starbucks drinking middle agers to putt around log roads and brag about the mud puddle they purposely drove through multiple times.
Cube210 Lol, that's why I sold my GS, couldn't stand the community and culture around adv bikes.
BrawndoScream Wonder how long before somebody throws out the usual "Well I rode to Alaska once" line as though it makes them superior for having shipped their bike and rode during the sunny season.
+BrawndoScream You sold your bike based upon what other people think...? Wow.
i think Ktm iS more adventure than the gs
Amazing Battle I was Waiting For This This Really Top of The Line Adventure Bikes
Might just buy a KLR 650 instead
Great video. The comments are interesting. This is a great realistic review, both of these bikes are more likely to be taken to coffee shops, twisty roads and an occasional gravel road as opposed to off road trails. There is nothing wrong with that at all. why did they not take them into some deep rutted muddy trails? because the majority of owners arent going to use them for that. I currently own a Honda Transalp that is used for commuting, touring and holidays its a great all season all reason bike just like the BMW and KTM reviewed in this video. If you want off roading videos check out some of their other videos for example their LA dual sport video.
"You got a grey you supposed to like BMW" ha ha ha
you forgot to mention the GS has done what KTM said could not be done
Could not be done by THEM. People have ridden that route on Honda shadows....come on. Grow up.
not talkin bout that road fool i am talkin about the 20,000 mile road trip from london to new york eastern route including russia infamous road of bones there is a whole filmed series of it called the long way round look it up before tellin me to grow up i know my facts and there is recorded proof in the series of ktm spokespeople stating the trip cannot be done and bmw said yes it can and gave the equipment to them series is on hulu and maybe netflix
I was just reading the article this morning, and was thinking there would probably be a video sooner or later.... And here we are :). Great video guys, hope to see more soon!
I prefer a CRF 1000 L, these bikes are just too heavy, too big, too much electronics, unreliable and totally incompenent for real off road use. Honda, thank you !
+Ronald Koopmans LOL!
+Ronald Koopmans
lolol, don't make me laugh! That's a jealous comment right there! Not enough money for a real bike?
haha the ugly underpowered africa twin is only marginally lighter and yet you praise it
The AT is weak.. KTM 1090 AdvR is the perfect compromise for everything.... Better than 1290 SA R offroad and still exellent on road..
FJ-09, Versys 1000, V-strom 1000XT, Tiger 800 XC, KTM 1090R, Africa Twin, Multi 950.... they all cover the on-pave, off-pave thing pretty well for a lot less coin.
Can you tour and adventure on a duel sport? The thing is do they even have aftermarket parts for it
If I bought the BMW GS, the first thing I would do when I got it home,
would be to take a sledge hammer to that super ugly beak!
It hurts my eyes.
drive suzuki dl 1000 v-Strom abs!
shaft drive vs chain drive, that's why ktm has more power.
The real questions is... how big, how expensive and how heavy do bikes need to get?
giff74 Say that to Harley-riders...
giff74 You're totally right. Like Harleys, plenty of riders buy these bikes for the look. There are also riders who buy these machines to ride them on trips that can take four, five, six weeks or more but, in my experience they're the minority. I still recoil a bit when someone compliments me on the look of my '06 12GS. To me it looks about as beautiful as a damned snowblower. As for the weight of these bikes I can only speak for the Beemer but it is incredibly nimble - and comfortable (once you get an aftermarket seat). It's the perfect machine for the Iron Butt, 1,000 miles per day. This is my 50th year of riding and I've had a lot of machines - Japanese, British, American. The GS is my ideal bike.
They all forget one big problem,many of us are in the range of 170cm tall.....so none of the above is suitable bike.
how tall you have to be to ride confidently the BMW? there is also the option of lower suspension and seat.
@@rdrdrd1 Definitely not so as reliabe and sturdy as the Japanese bikes are in all aspects, though you've previously owned pretty much of a many a coupler brand bikes, should try one of the Italians though, but yeah I'll just stick to my Japanese sushi Lol..!!
But the question is, does the bmw feels better off road than the ktm?
The Super Adventure is a mighty machine. The GS is overestimated.
Could you please review the new BMW F850GS?!!
Chinese motor........... bet you didn't know that.
love the BMW.... and the KTM 😊
The KTM is for those who push bikes to their limit.
of course i will take KTM!!!coz its the best
I have both, and they are both are appealing, but honestly the insane prices for bmw parts is stupid. Just because I can afford them doesn't justify being raped for small parts, for example the clutch master and slave cyls can be rebuilt on ktm CHEAP but BMW, nope, you have to buy the WHOLE assembly for the sake of one frigging seal in the slave $300 + for the slave cyl alone, the master is about $480....the bmw fuel pump assy is double the ktm. I took both bikes in for the approx 12,000 mile service, the bmw was $1400 ish no faults found, all routine, and the KTM was $400.......
pretty lame review: WHY doesn't the SA work as well off-road? Seems unlikely w/ KTM's heritage, the 1190 entry and fact that it weighs less than the GS. Did you guys just "concede" that w/o trying it out? And if you did try it out, why no review about that? Show the vid. Or is conceding it the only way the GS still is in the running (and BMW sponsors you somehow)?
KTM sounds fun but it just looks UGLY compared to that SEXY GSA. And for me personally, UGLY doesn't get me excited. SEXY is exciting.
There, I tipped the scales in this comparison. YOURE WELCOME 🤓
i have put over 7500 miles on rented BMW GS's. I bought a new 2017 KTM 1290 with a 145 miles, dec 2019 got a super deal. I ride it everywhere even off road. I would not do black bear pass in Colorado with it. I prefer the KTM. I do have an XR650L for the more technical off road. Just my .02
www.ktm.com/travel/1290-super-adventure/
113kW or 153 HP wtf 135Hp? Its monster enduro and mounting bike! 40L fuel! Looong electro contol shoсks.
I ride ktms and I love them but there's no way anything in the world will ever get close to a gs
One man, 5 continents, 35 countries, 68k kilometers, 270 days & the GS. Says it all I think.
Had both… BMW is by far the better bike. Better build quality, wind protection and ballance. The Ktm has a very powerfull engine… ( 160 bhp in Europe) but it will roast your legs….
BMW for us all the way. Just like the looks and drive shaft more.
KTM 1290 Super Adventure in thailand is $ 40316.69 or 1349000 Bath why?
How in Gods name did these guys come to that notion, that the KTM is not useable off-road? 😄 … it has plenty more off-road genes than the GS, it’s lighter and works perfectly in light terrain, arguably better than the heavier GS!
It would be great if you subtitled your videos to Spanish. We would appreciate 500 million Spanish speakers. Cheers!
If u want to travel 2000 km sand dunes and u need to carry food water petrol for 20 days. Which is the bike. Im planning to do canning stock route solo. Longest public track in the world.
i know its been 5 years but...you saying that a KTM is not suitable for off road, is like saying that a Busa is not suitable for straight line speed.
and you said that without even going off road with it, along with the GS. the comparison of one going off road and one going on road, was really pointless.
Great review guys. Thank you. The first time that I see the bikes side by side. I own a 1200GSA and I have to agree that the new KTM is really nice. The only thing that, in my eyes , is missing, is a drive shaft. Yes it would add another 20-30 lbs but who cares. I load so much crap on my bike when I go somewhere, even for a weekend that I would be highly surprise to see a difference. A reliable drive shaft and really nice touches that would make the bike different. Don't be afraid of the price going higher. Bet you that none of the guys that bought the new 1200 looked at the price when they bought the bike. The saw something big and comfortable on the long run. So, KTM if you want me and other guys like me to consider crossing the street ?? you have to copy, improve and come up with something more then just a stronger motor. Frankly I would trade 20 horses for more torque at lower rpm. Overall I think this is the best bike that KTM built for touring. Great job
Virgil Lupu if a shaft is key, why doesn't a single off-road bike have one? If they break, you're done. A chain you can fix, change,... I've never had 1 issue w/ any chains on any of the 12 different bikes I've owned over the last 3 decades. Ridiculous concern. Also, the KTM probably out-performs the GS on the dirt as well since the 1190 did. Stay on your side of the street (and get left in the dust).
Is a drive shaft a key ?? in my eyes YES
If a chain breaks in the middle of nowhere and you have no spare parts you are stuck either way.
I have no doubt that the KTM is much better off road. It is a little bit lighter and KTM is designing theirs bike as such.
SO your comment about KTM leaving me and my BMW in the dust does not concern me. I really give them that off road supremacy because my priority is not -how good is KTM or any other bike off road ???.
The two bikes will be purchased mainly by, middle age guys or girls that want to travel long distance on tarmac or gravel roads.
No sane person will pay $25k's include accessories and will jump in the town mud hole.
I understand that you had only good experiences with chain bike and I am happy for you. As we all know most of the bikes that are going off road ,, spend half a day in mud then one hour under the power wash. None of them live to pile more then 10k miles. Either get crashed or replaced.
In my recent travel across the country and to Alaska, I was lucky enough to be accompanied by a good friend of mine that was riding a Suzuki VStrom. Great Bike.
We did 13000 miles in one month. If his experience with a chain bike is an example of what the people put up with a bike with a chain on long trips ?? then I will gladly pass. Regardless of the brand. Prefer to change the fluids in my drive shaft every 12k miles then having to adjust the chain every 1k mile, change the sprocket every every 10k miles on the side of the road. Remember that I am talking about a bike that weights 600 lbs plus 100lbs equipment and 220 lbs rider (plus another 150 lbs if you a have a pillion rider). That has nothing in common with that single engine Honda 250cc.
I can understand some of your concern based on early 2000 new BMW drive shaft design (even do I never experience any drive shaft issues with six BMW 's and proper maintenance) but we are talking about a drive shaft generally and not specific to a brand.
If you are right then every car that we see on the road should be equipped with a chain drive. It is definetelly lighter and should be more reliable ??
This was just a personnel opinion and I respect your opinion. In the long run if I ride a touring bike on dusty roads (specially full of calcium like in Alaska), I will always choose the drive shaft. Less maintenance and fewer moving parts exposed to the elements.
When is about bikes ?? there is no bad brand or design. A bike is a very personel tool and it is very hard to judge.
I guess the sales volume is and will be the talking factor. Based on what I see BMW with the drive shaft (reliable or not in your eyes ) , is winning so far.
Again, KTM built a very nice bike (almost like a BMW) but without a drive shaft.
Virgil Lupu
www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761531.
KTM with dust in the airbox due to bad design and motor dies.
BMW just works. I got BMW R1200GS 2016. Happy.
thats noncense , but as longas youre happy thats good
Agree with poulan9, there must be some kind of gag order on behalf of KTM to NEVER take this bike off road. I find it hard to believe that a bike 40lbs lighter than a GSA would be less dirt-worthy WITHOUT EVER EVEN BEEN TAKEN OFF ROAD. Both great bikes though.
XL Adventure Motorcycle Rider I'll add that neither had knobby tires either.
option of buying the KTM from 2013 as a steal price - should I?
God, I fucking hate these ADV bikes, what is the fucking point?? Sigh
DUDES, Hold the PHONE, You stated that you guys usually pick the ""BETTER"" bike when doing comparison tests? Well, I (totally) disagree with that (phony) statement. You guys "RARELY" pick the better bike(s) if ever. You guys and the other rags that publish these (so called) "tests" are to busy worrying about pissing off the manufactures by selecting the ""OTHER"" guys bike! So, I'll do it for you...YEP!!! I've owned: 5-BMW's, 8-Harley's, 3-Yamaha's, 3-Honda's, 2-Suzuki's, 6-Kawasaki's 1-Can-Am and ridden every shape, style, form, (Side-cars) Trike's etc. etc. for 48 years. So, I am officially proclaiming myself an EXPERT!!!!!! The R 1200 & R 1150 GS/A are fantastic machines for the "DUAL-SPORT" riders. They had had virtually NO-COMPETITION in that market until recently. Other manufacture's are relatively new at this (Dual-Sport) game and look at how close they are and how quickly they have made their marks. I'm sorry but, BMW should be way, way out in-front of these new-comers...and sadly they are not. KTM right out of the chute is just about the same in this arena. A little tweak in the "Off-Road" portion and they'll leave BMW in the Proverbial DUST. Arrogant an 'it I!
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gs user in most of the cases are dumm snobish that rubish bikes are rabish for our wild life on our country side around the planet they are predator bring disturbimg noise and polition where the beatiful creatures are .They shoil been baned to use it .Amd trei to be more modest.
Umm, how is the Super Adventure an Adventure bike if it can't go off road. I can't find any video of the Super Adventure doing serious off roading but there are many for the BMW, Tiger, 1190, Tenere even the VStrom. Shouldn't it really be compared to Sport Touring bikes since that is what it seems to be? Not saying the 1290 isn't a great bike but just don't see if as a proper Adventure bike. How about an off road shoot out between the 1290 and all mentioned above. I think they should have put a better fairing and seat on it and competed against the BMW r1200RT or Triumph Trophy. Seems like it could have ruled that class with its powerful motor and top electronic rider aides.
You can purchase a 1290 Super Adventure S for around 15,000 new. You do not get deals with BMWs. The 2020 GS is around $24,000, without the side cases. I went with the KTM. It's the bomb. It handles great, and in my opinion the greatest motor around. The LC8 twin engine is why you buy this bike. It's a pleasure and a pure joy to ride!!
So, ultimately the conclusion is, they compared the wrong bike against r1200.
I have a ktm sa 1290 s. Rides harsh and stiff very uncomfortable. Trading it for a gs a.
I don't understand why you did not take the KTM off-road? You cannot compare them both if unless you take the KTM off road otherwise it's a easy win for BMW that is just as comfortable and awesome on the highway I can do a lot Off Road why bother with the KTM? You could not Beat the BMW unless you are in a straight drag race!!
BMW better for long term reliability, Stronger suspention, agility, and lower cost maintenance.ubiquitous parts availability, KTM for more power, less utility, and higher maintenance cost, long term reliability questionable.
BMW parts are now only available at the dealer and in europe they pulled a lot of dealerships from bikeshops. So parts are not so easy to come by. Especially if the parts is not for the last type of bike. I have owned many bmw's and reliability has been bad, I stay away from it now. Luck seems to bee a factor....