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Don't you think its time to wrap this up,,your still babbling the same crap for nearly 2 months now,,don't you have any respect for his family, making money out of misery,,shoking
Do you mean “shocking” ?
There are other issues with your grammar BUT that final one was the straw that broke the camels back.
If you’re going to Police UA-cam at least learn the basics of grammar as once your intelligence is questionable then so is your viewpoint.
Thank you for contributing to engagement and assisting the reach of this video. Your time and effort, although full of fault, is appreciated.
Much love 😘
@@REALHARSH you've got my point,I'd rather have bad grammar than make money out of the dead,but each to their own,atleast you can treat yourself to a new cap
@@derekdodge_0078 this isn't just about jay it's about trying to stop people being able to brain wash our kids when they go away .it's awful that this has happend but because of this jay this may stop it being so easy for people to groom young lads and girls
@@REALHARSH Well, we all know who has made plenty of money out of the case don't we. Why do you think people think that they can watch you , for two months (obviously in order to know you have been bringing the content for that length of time) consider that they can watch you and then complain about the amount of content. Until the truth is given out for us to digest then you and others will call out the fakery and unsubstantiated rhetoric spewed out to silence the whole sorry case and put to bed what is still not asleep. ( Just saying)
Thank you Dodgy derek. You don't have skin in the game by any chance do you, please?
I have a son who just turned 18 and as Jay's life played out I was sick to my stomach as I could just imagine this being my son. My heart is aching for Jay and the case absolutely stinks. This could happen to anyone's son, wrong place wrong time, drugs or no drugs. I know from personal experience how easy it is for kids to get drugs and from primary school age for some. My son is autistic and doesn't sense danger, thinks he can handle anything, and you need to actually know him to take what he says the way he means it.
This, I feel in the pit of my stomach could've just as easily been him and I would be so thankful to have you guys on our side in those unthinkable circumstances.
There's no way he decided to walk! 18/19yr old guys would hardly walk to the bathroom. Lucy etc were going to bed..... so why would Jay decide to go for spins to Masca to go to bed... because he was either told they were going to party up there, with the good stuff OR he wasn't given a choice! The photos sent to me.m.o tarot, one has a lad taped up in the boot of a white car & that is definitely Jay & he's wearing the same t-shirt on Jay was wearing at the rave, before he took it off n tucked it in his trousers. The photo of the lad down in the rocks/cave definitely looks like Jay.
Please please please keep digging and pushing for Jay & all those before & yet to come because this isn't going to stop. I've always wanted to return to tenerife but I will never ever bless that island and its people with another euro of my hard earned cash.
God bless all you social media sleuths. You're the only ones who care.
M.M.O Tarot that was. Hate predictive text.
@@julie-annemyers2971 Hi Julie… what you said is so true. I saw that video of MMO Tarots and as you said it was definitely Jay. It’s a very sad case and there has been absolutely no police involvement from the Spanish or British cops whatsoever!! Not one word! it’s people like Harsh, Wax, Tarot and the public and others who have come up with all the clues. 🫶🏼
Very well said ❤
@@julie-annemyers2971what is mmo tarot?
Well said
So glad you're keeping this going Harsh 👏
Thank you Robyn!
Me too. Losers are winners who give up just before they succeed.
Keep up the good work Harsh!
I don't think Jay or his phone ever went into that landscape. Not until they were both placed there.
I think the phone went into the terrain the day he went missing,the last ping happened then.
By brad while on the phone to lucy
I would like to hear more from his dad and brother . Obviously it’s very hard for them but they seemed to be thinking there was mis communication at the very least . He didn’t believe most of the reports that were given .i doubt he’ll want this to put to bed . Thought are with the family at this sad Time . Rip jay 💙🩵💙
His own dad stated everything stinks
His poor dad was totally sidelined
His dad is the one I feel so sorry for. He searched n searched for his son, unlike others and he's just threw to the side and all sympathies sent towards his mum.
I pray God's comfort surround his daddy 😢
How come their opinions count and our opinions don't.this is a microcosom of what is happening to people's everyday life.we are being told,when we question, we are closed down.
True Judith
Isn't that a worry ,; making out high intelligent people are slammed for seeking and seeing the lies .
Thank-You Harsh for continuing to keep the facts from the fiction, you are appreciated 💜
It still does my nut in how it is classed as "inaccessible" because if it was "inaccessible" then Jay wouldn't have been able to access it let alone be found in it. This is just me having a moan about the accuracy of words used, because it's a bugbear of mine.
This annoys me too
Inaccessible by normal means. Falling headfirst into a ravine isn't the same as walking or climbing down into it.
I have taken this to mean that where he landed was inaccessible. Not the point which he fell from.
And I cannot for the life of me piece together why, what, when, and where Chris's Jesus resurrection prophecy went, in relation to the cliff and Jay's final 'resting place'. And how he came to know where to look.
Yeah it just means where he ended up not where apparently fell from, funny how happened to fall in the most inaccessible area tho, just another co-incidence
I think we have to look at verifiable facts. Jay’s phone pinged for the last time. Whether Jay was with his phone or not we don’t know.
Something happened on the dance floor involving a stocky guy and Jay. Jay’s face showed an emotional reaction. His bag may have been taken or given to the man in the black t-shirt.
The police confirmed a scuffle outside the club. This may have involved Jay.
Ayub was previously imprisoned for County Lines activities in Wales. Ayub booked the AirBnB in a different name.
Everything else is hearsay really, but we have no reason to disbelieve the bar worker who gave Jay a bottle of water and said he looked unwell.
Two autopsies confirm that Jay died of injuries consistent with a fall or a plunge.
The word plunge has connotations of jumping on purpose.
Keep up the good work Harsh!
@@sarahguymer3438 his phone was still showing it’s live location at 1.50am the next day. So his phone DID NOT die
If people do not want public opinions, then don't put anything out into the public domain...kinda simple really
Amen to that
MWT Have you seen shaun attwood julia wandelt case he has ben highlighted in a big conservatory on trafficing childen hiding things to do with savil madddie mccan nicola B @REALHARSH
Not sleuths general public lol 😆
Fancy seeing you here!
Did you manage to see the full interview that Brad gave 10 days after jay went missing as it is clearly edited to fit an narrative by which ever news outlet shared it i feel watching it all that he was more caring and less compromised than he was made out to be it's shocking really then they have the audacity to criticise people for thinking something fishy @@REALHARSH
Good day, Harsh 😊
Im so with you on this 👍
My opinions are allowed just like all of us, whether they are different from each other.
Great video again ✌️💜
Absolutely mate !
@REALHARSH The walk/hike from that small beach to where Jay lay is much easier than what people originally thought. I see a video where they show you the trek. ✌️💜
@MissMoToYou yeah I watched the video the family put up climbing the rocks. They seemed to handle the terrain easily enough so 3 or 4 coked-up thugs im sure could manage a lightweight Jay no problem. I've thought this all along. I don't think I'll ever live another day without thinking of Jay & I feel so sorry for his poor dad. He has been the only one lost sweat and trod that land, out of all the friends n family brought out to support n help search...., looking for Jay & never once asked for a penny. Jay can rest knowing his dad did the very best he could to find him but he's been pushed into the shadows.
the mother unloaded the kidnap story to the press day one
Based on a text she received?
Yes 👍🏼
She received a text. At that point her number had been put on missing posters for anyone with information of his whereabouts to call her.
People can be sick and enjoy stirring things in such circumstances.
I'm old enough to remember the nutcase who totally derailed the Yorkshire Ripper case by sending the police an audio tape saying "I'm Jack" etc, which led to the man in charge of the case insisting that the serial killer had to have a Geordie accent.
Also, when interviewed his mother was asked what she'd say if anyone had got him, which is why responded to say that if he was being held they should let him go.
Maybe he was kidnapped at first. Kept in this tunel from Airbnb or boat. It's actually interesting who told Debbie this ? His friends said he was missing? Did she got phone call asking for money?Case is just not solved. People trying to put all the clues and links together to make bigger picture and get to the bottom what exactly happened to poor Jay 🧐
@@brownrabbit61 well that's the point we in 2024 and under no circumstances would the uk police let her say that from word go. but here comes Karen told the world everything don't blame the public/so called conspiracy people you made it there buissness the whole case stinks the audience ain't dumb
Put simply, the accounts of Ayub, Lucy, Brad and MWT, don’t align. To blame the ‘internet detectives’ for inventing conspiracy theories is like blaming the West for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
In what way don’t their accounts align? Genuine question
@@thewolf663 was Jay scared, or was he not scared? Did his phone have 1% charge or had he charged or? Did he lose a bag of drugs or was he not involved in that trade? Was Ayub his friend or Lucy’s? Then you have to ask why Lucy claims to have called the police (by calling 911! Not the correct number) when Jay disappeared but the call was actually made 12 hours later.
The west is to be blamed, lol..
@@nigelbond4056 911 was a bad slip up in Lucy’s story of lies!! She’d been watching too many American cop shows not even knowing her own emergency number!!!!
Please keep this going Harsh, we seem to be the only people to care. RIP Jay
Exactly harsh they say our theories but theres is all theories as no actual proof
100%
@@REALHARSH Not one cintilla.
Investigators use intelligence and evidence to crack the case. All this YT channels,comments contribute to intelligence. Public wants to know what happened to that kid on holydays. Any rumours create story. Hopefully truth will came out
Ur the highlight of my day, please keep doing these videos something definitely doesn't add up. Even if its something innocent that turned bad ..... Maybe no laws were broken and something happened and they freaked out.... Either way thankyou for not giving up ❤
Thank you Jodie
THANK YOU ......GOD BLESS
What everyone seems to have let go, IS the Supposed STOP for a drink along the way back to the AirB&B while Rocky was sleeping. Jay was either turned over there, OR someone else got into the car. They stopped for a drop off or a pick up
Yes, I think the stop has been totally played down. What time does this place actually open? What time was the stop made? Were the staff questioned if Jay stayed in the car, if he went into the café what mood was he in, how many people were with him, etc. And if they bought drinks he would not have been as dehydrated as has been said.
@@suerowe53. Ayub said it was on the way to Masca so it was supposedly 5.00 am and there were no places open at that time.
@@suerowe53 Yes, the drop off or pick up point. drop off or pick up point while Rocky was sleeping in the car . I do not think so.
More like a stop at the Coffee Shop the famous under the wire coffee shop
Harsh, keep on digging! This poor young lad deserves his story told and not a bed of lies 😢.. my heart goes to all the family and my hurt breaks for J.
R.I.P Jay ❤
You are doing a great sensible job on this Harsh, keep going...drop a water melon from 10ft no water completely obliterated- it is the same with your head- 500ft nothing left, Have you seen the video of Rocky driving Jay? alias Jerome Clayton colleague of Arub & spent time in jail -9 yrs part of the Wales drug bust. Those 2 also run several companies from North London- Transport & ITC companies - both list as "Drivers & Driver Mates". 'Not relevent to this case" rubbish!!!Thank you Harsh for pushing the Jack O'Sullivan case- they have now access after being denied to the mob data & I have also sent them data on our work..lets hope & pray Jack is soon re-united with his desperate family. Take care everyone, challenging World Hugsxxx
Chris Tenerife went on live with luggy recently and said he told the Garcia police that if they don’t get him, he will go in a boat and get him. (He totally let that slip)
A BOAT.
Then a couple days later Chris made his own live, making up some story about how the gardia were going to use a boat to get to the beach or whatever.
A load of bullshit
Woah!
Chris always messes up .. I’ve noticed that. I get a bad vibe from him.
@KikiSushiii I think Jay was taken on the harbour masters boat out to sea. I’ve got my doubts that it was Jays body in the mountains because
A) the Guardia just happened to ‘find’ him after a month on the day the Dutch were starting their search and
B) the Guardia warned the family off viewing the body
There was also night vision of people running around a boat on the dock with something that was taken onboard. The boat was taken out to sea and the transponder was turned off. It was all very dodgy
Right. I don’t believe that Jay made it to such an “inaccessible” spot. When clearly it is accessible by the rescue team and normal hikers. No way a 19 year old after a techno rave, absolute smashed with lock jaw would attempt to go walk home like Christopher Columbus.
After raving at 18 years old in the city center I don’t even want to walk to the bus stop. Take a taxi home
@@Royalty12345 I'm not convinced that the two boats are one. I think they're separate boats and not one boat. The Maruba was a catamaran and the marina was not suitable.
Great keeping this fire stoked Harsh 👏👏👏👏 Is it me, or can somebody tell me if Jay's phone was found ?? yes or no ? - as that will have all the timing data on it from that Monday morning - the last time it was used right ? even if has been wiped i assume it can be restored !!! any phone hacker ir MI6 agent will know how to do that am sure right ?? - i mean we put a man on the moon apparently in 1969 yet we can't solve this land based information riddle 55 years later ??????????????????
Yes, it has been referred to as being 'wiped' so how could it be wiped if it hasn't been found? Strange.
Yes data can be recovered from any device, unless it has been wiped/scrambled using a very strong magnet, when you delete or factory reset a device or format a drive all it does is mark the storage space as available to use, when new data is added it overwrites the pre-existing data, which makes it harder to recover the overwritten data but not impossible, I heard Jay's phone had been wiped, which is super weird, but you could easily find out when this happened and the old data would definitely be recoverable.
@@suerowe53 ok thanks Sue - yeah good point how convininet
but it can be un wiped am sure
@@67geetar thanks buddy - yeah great point.
Thanks for another top quality analysis Harsh 🌟
This is worth a look … ‘Was Jay Slater setup by Tom Hilton? Part 4 is Lucy Law involved’ … Top Level channel
Considering how mainstream media puts down social media regularly when it comes to these cases, I believe it's more about the competition they feel for views than anything else. Don't get me wrong, some creators, as you mentioned, are off the wall and spread misinformation. However, many do a lot of good. MANY do better than the mainstream (A LOT better) and they do not like it! Period.
The Moroccan story was closest to the truth
Here here
You're sooo funny! 'Mark William Thomas'...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lucy liar said he hadn't got his phone
And as I've always said, we have only ever had three people's stories to any of these events - Lucy, Brad & Ayub...they got their heads together and (tried but did a bad job) of creating a narrative of how and when anything happened to Jay.
So far it has been spectaculated without substantiation that Jay Slater stole a Rolex, stole an AP, stole a bag of coke, stole a bag of pills, lost a bag of coke, lost a bag of pills, stole two knives from the Air BnB, hid in tunnels and lived off prickly pear, got on a 14 foot yacht called Maruba, Tom Hilton was Lucy's boyfriend, Tom Hilton's father met Qassim in prison and plotted revenge for the attack on Tom Hilton in August 2021, Jay was stabbed on the beach.
Yes we have seen him on the beach, unable to walk properly. Also you can hear Lucy shouting O GOD JAY WHAT HAVE I DONE that's definitely Lucy's voice. She is in the thick of it & is still travelling to other countries selling drugs & enjoying life why Jay is dead thanks to her
If true that would piss bad guys off.
@@NetPoole-fb9nf I have seen it. It is definitely not Lucy's voice. The woman on the video has a Southern accent. She definitely does not have a broad Lancashire accent like Lucy's.
Yep.and its been checked.apparently it was from 9 years agoand a scottish accent@FontaineDerby
The watch theory just ask urself who the hell takes and ap to a rave? He clearly in the video hands over his black bag to the guy in the black and clearly looks scared, everyone including Brad and Brandon where looking over at the situation, this most likely is the cause of his murder
It probably been part of the set up the watch could’ve been in the bag for him to sell it after the rave🤷♂️ …. Who knows anymore this case has completely blown up and nothing seems to make any sense
Do we know for certain the video you mentioned is from the last night at the rave
@@saraward6867Jay was wearing the grey tshirt with green stripes on last day of Rave.
@@johnnyoldskool6504 who sells/wears a rolex/ap at a rave for mostly under 25s? This is a false trail and was never proved, but the bag on the other hand is clearly seen been given to another guy while everyone looked on the guy could very well been security. Rocky and Ayub most likely owed the gear and done Jay on the beach most likely around 1am, he was then driven to the mountains where they all covered it up and disposed of him and his phone(also wiped) then created this story that he simply walked off and walked directly off a ledge into a ravine
This sounds more realistic as Jay wasn't in fit state to go party any where plus he had been asked to leave the Nightclub after an incident then there was more trouble outside caught on Camera of some kind. Did JAY get out en route at the Cannabis Cafe? Somebody knows but maybe too scared to say.
Good morning Harsh from Canada. Looking good.
Hello there!
At the end of the day they put what they did into the public domain because they wanted money for the go fund me. Therefore I feel the people that donated especially, have the right to question where the money went and what it was spent on particularly during the time of jay slater being "missing". Which means asking questions about that time that don't sit well. Questioning How it was all handled and questioning wether what we are being told is truth or: are we all being duped. 🤷♀️
Duped!
Chris Tenerife said and showed us it’s impossible to get to where Jay was and he must of had a hard time getting there but if you go from the small beach Juan Lopez beach and walk up a bit it’s so easily reached. Chris Tenerife IMO is just full of S.. he didn’t show us the other way did he!! 🤔
how did he get to the beach.
@@brubeck1 he didn’t go from the beach. He went another direction.. he showed us the worst place to walk. From the beach is much more easier
13:47 yes, like the Candour Productions exclusive....which after doing research, I believe will be a TV documentary on Channel 5 in the series called Cause of Death
I pray the family get justice and demand all the answers cause if they cnt give me answers the. I would keep shouting everyday till I did we need to keep shouting and annoying people to get the polive to do there job properly I cannot belive how they have handled this case when it sink right from her 1st interview red flags every were God help the world if this is how easy it is bump people of disgusting rip jay 🙏 😢
And not only do I know my phone is nearly dead but to be heading in the exact opposite direction just does not make any sense unless you are being chased and or you are hiding
Well this inaccessible place wasn’t inaccessible by boat, just sayin …
How true I don't know but a family took a boat to masca beach and actually climbed where j was found .
And there is also a hiking trail that leads to the beach .everyone is going by the fact jay was up b and b but he wasn't I'm sure he was hurt on beach then got taken by boat the rest was staged .
Jay got taxed of the bag in the nightclub, they - Jay, Lucy, Bradley - had to do a runner to Ayub's remote place (wasn't it said that that ab&b was only booked for two hours? For what reason does anyone do that?) to think about what they were going to do next as their 'bosses' were coming after Jay. All this happened much sooner that has been said, as is proved by the location screen shots. Jay either panicked and ran off into the night darkness hoping to hide, went off the road and too far down the path and fell or something worse happened when the 'bosses' arrived, especially as they would have known the terrain. IMO
If I was jay I think I'd shake your hand and say thank you for the fact that you kept ploughing for the truth especially for being spot on x
That’s a nice comment
Something that puzzles me is why the spanish police turned up in the middle of the night whilst it was still dark in huge numbers, then next morning go straight to the body. Ive heard nothing about an informant or someone coming across him accidentally, or maybe one cop just suddenly realised they hadn't looked over one particular cliff and bingo, there he was? How did they find him?
I reckon someone else found him and the the g.c came
I wish you would go back to the Rave. There is CLEAR video evidence now that proves that Jay took of his Man Bag, and passed it to a big guy in a Black T-Shirt. His face also went white as a sheet when he seen the bloke. I know you only deal with facts, so you need to look into this. This would explain the story of him losing the Bag. Still doesn't tell us what happened, but is very important in the run up to his demise.
Where can I see this video?
Who sent the footage in so early on? Anyone else? Plenty looking on and holding up phones. How do people purchase tickets for entrance to this festival?
Do you know all we really need to solve this case is a true and complete timeline from the time the pic of Jay was taken at the rave to the time his body was found where everyone was and what everyone was doing thats it in a nutshell. I am sure in UK the police would be searching this every minute of what everyone concerned was doing to find out the truth
Well said
I think the boat is involved. I think access to the beach via the boat is involved.. the watches etc are a messed up distraction.
I think there is a distinct possibility also. I also think Chris was involved in the placement of the body.
@@Arcticnickand @susanquick9881 yes I agree. Masca is a distraction. I have posted here a few times about the harbour masters boat. I think Jay was dumped at sea.
And supposedly a documentary coming out
Jeez! I cannot retain that notion. It doesn't quite sit comfortably, does it? Especially when they use it for some political opportunity like online censorship.
Jay wanted food and water there and then but was prepared to go into the masca and travel hours not being able to drink or eat...don't make sense
Why did his mother think he was kidnapped at first not lost in the hills ?
I believe that Lucy probably called her in the UK when it happened in panic and said something like that to her
Thank you for sharing and caring your acts of kindness. It's possible that the GoFundMe was set up because the nasty people had a guilty conscience about what had happened to Jay.
They can’t expect people to say nothing but donate £80k😂
12:12 well yeh, it was an 11 hour walk so you’d think he’d want a fully loaded phone to get directions wven😂
@REALHARSH I can't believe you swooshed that fly without skipping a beat! lmao!! You're one of a kind my dude
Lucy said he called her but in an interview she said he didn't have his phone. Which is it Lucy???
It is imo 99% certain that Lucy phoned Jay.
And Lucy took the screenshot we are shown which appears to show Jay's phone but on charge, with the call initiated at 01:30 AM, lasting for 8:50 secs.
@@Arcticnick Wax Unlimited’s last video went into this in depth. He showed the video of the woman who analysed the phones.
@@Royalty12345 Thank you.Wax is brilliant and likely where I got the information. I am glad you discovered it too.
Love your work. Love that you're asking questions. You're asking the same questions a lot of netizens are asking. If things make sense people can let it rest. But things don't make sense, therefore still speculation.
JUSTICE NOT TRUTH, THINK ABOUT IT THERES NO GAPS IN JUSTICE!
Some Creators are keeping this going, because there still money to be made from it. The conspiracy theories surrounding Jays death are beyond ridiculous. Why can't people see it was a tragic accident brought on by a combination of drugs & alcohol that put him in a place of danger as he tried to navigate his way back to his accommodation & friends, realising he should have stayed with them rather than pairing up with two guys he didn't know out in the sticks. He was offered a lift back to town if only he'd been patient..but he wanted to leave most likely still under the influence. Not being aware of the terrain ahead of him, he sadly lost his footing & fell 500ft to his demise. If you view the three dimensional map of the island, it comes as no surprise. There are still six other people missing & are yet to be discovered; it's desperately sad. It's time to put this whole thing to bed & let Jay rest in peace 🙏.
Had this been in the Americas, they would had blamed a dark skinned Puerto Rican guy!
They said Brandon had bruises, what if Jay had bruises too. Can bruises leave the body after 3 weeks?
Keep on investigating harsh jay needs justice and it don’t seem like the family will bother 😢
The conversation in the club that went viral was debunked by a Scottish man who came forward & clarified it was a conversation between him and his friends. He just happened to be filming the crowd at that time and unknowingly caught Jay in the footage. The video of this man providing this context is on Tiktok.
It's unreal how his body was found there,after the world got evolved,wanted to know more,suddenly Jay was found,he was put there,nothing else makes sence
Good morning Harsh from Montana. Btw, you’re also looking amazing.
Seems lately there have been a few shady cases.
Several stories with missing details. If they don’t want others involved or opinions then don’t put anything out there.
We also seem to have to be more and more careful about what we say
Makes u laugh doesn't it condemned for theories but theories kept in in the public domain raising the funds double edge init m8
100% agree
Feel sorry for poor Jay, he did not get the direction he needed from his not so intelligent parents!
If someone fell off a cliff whilst alive, they would fall flexibly to break the fall, hence fractures to the forearms, abrasions to the palms to the hands etc. we don’t see that in cases of pushing someone off a cliff, it will tend to bounce off the cliffs due to unstable inertia.. where as someone who’s pushed it accelerates to terminal velocity much faster - hence you don’t have much bouncing around when falling - meaning you have much less external injury to the body. People don’t lay on a cliff edge.
If the body is found on the posterior, we know a push was most likely the situation because most people don’t back up from cliffs, it just doesn’t make sence to do that and finally… you can lift finger prints and or glove prints from fabric .. and from skin of a dead body if the fingers are still in a good state and they will deliver results for ages after a person has gone like weeks and weeks.
Done my research.. my cousin works in a mortuary.. I called and asked her opinion 😊
Quick to want the publics help, but just as quick to lash back public after the fact. Throughing blame in all the wrong directions.
Big question….. where is MWT now? Heard nothing for weeks..
@daverenegade8657…. Dave… it’s late here downunder so I’m not on the pace but who is MWW?
@@Royalty12345I wrote it wrong MWT= Mark Williams Thomas
People do care.Young lad went first time on holydays and never came back. Keep pressure until whistle-blowers and witness came forward.Somebody knows and seen something. Somebody maybe caught something on the phone. 🤞
Come on now, DDodge!! Enough already!!!!😡😠
If it was my son, missing in that situation, i would need definate proof it was his body.
The story that led to him apparently missing in the mountains.. just their stories ...full of lies ..who knows if he was ever there. No real proof.
"We have a positive ID," a court spokesperson said. "Fingerprinting confirms that the body belongs to Jay Slater and the death was due to multiple traumas compatible with a fall in the mountainous area."
Slater's fingerprints were on file because of his conviction in August 2023 for violent disorder.
Fingerprint expert Allen Bayle, author of the UK's standard police manual on dead hands says, "One of the last things to disappear when you die are your fingerprints. They're very durable."
For example, American Hans Galassi lost several fingers in a wakeboarding accident three months before someone been found in a trout - and identified as Galassi's from its fingerprints.
Source: BBC - Who What Why: How durable is a fingerprint?
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29 September 2012
Slater's body was not in the "hot sun". It was found at the bottom of shaded 600 foot deep ravine.
An inquest into Jay's death has been opened and adjourned at Preston Coroners' Court. The only evidence taken related to Jay's identity.
A date for the full inquest has not yet been set.
Source: Lancashire Post - Jay Slater inquest opens after Oswaldtwistle teen is laid to rest
By Emma Downey
Published 13th Aug 2024
Two post mortems by the Spanish and British isn't satisfactory to you?
You didn't get the result you wanted, and therefore won't accept their conclusions.
The parents would have given a better and more detailed explanation than the general public and it they have accepted the coroner's report, then you should to.
@DCDPM The Coroner's Report is not finished. You may be interested to know that an inquest into Jay's death has been opened and adjourned at Preston Coroners' Court. The only evidence taken related to Jay's identity.
A date for the full inquest has not yet been set.
Source: Lancashire Post - Jay Slater inquest opens after Oswaldtwistle teen is laid to rest
By Emma Downey
Published 13th Aug 2024
@@FontaineDerby funnily enough the coroner Adeley couldn't get fingerprints off a man found in a house in the UK on his last programme cause of death ??
@@DCDPM Personally No. I wouldn't accept that.
Keep on going Harsh 😁 there are still many people who don't believe the mainstream rhetoric. Or may I hasten to add ALL YT channels.
We need the better ones (yours included of course) to keep talking about this, because we are still thinking about this.
I’ll be out tomorrow harsh for your live I would like to know why Tenerife put out a song to days before he went missing it’s called lost in Tenerife jay slater it’s on UA-cam with the lyrics it’s so very very STRANGE
I did see that…. Quite strange yes
They didn't do that. The video was edited after he went missing.
@user-xv7cn2fu9r That song was really creepy. It freaked me out but I copied the words . See below…,
Jay Slater Lost in Tenerife Audio Song
Creator labelled as AI generated
Verse 1
Jay was dancing all night long
Lights and beats so loud and strong
Festival vibes carried away
Lucy said she’d show the way
Verse 2
Feet were moving one by one
When the music finally done
Tried to walk now feeling torn
Fourteen hours since the morn
CHORUS
Lost in Tenerife can’t get home
Desert sands where wind has blown
Cactus stuck me I’m alone
Lucy left me chilled to bone
Verse 3
Echoes in the night so clear
Whispers of the crowd I hear
Stars they guide me but I fall
Lucy’s gone she took it all
Lost in wilderness what a scene
Reality like a bad dream
Music fades but still it plays
Heartbeats lost in nights embrace
CHORUS
Lost in Tenerife can’t get home
Desert sands where wind has blown
Cactus stuck me I’m alone
Lucy left me chilled to bone
Lost in Tenerife can’t get home
Desert sands where wind has blown
Cactus stuck me I’m alone
Lucy left me chilled to bone
I think the room is split here; over two theories, One that Jay never even made it to the AirBnB; but was killed in Los Cristianos, (which possibly involves boats, Tom Hilton, Brandon, and Lucy) and the other that he wad taken back by Ayub, and Rocky, and he overheard them on the phone speaking to someone who was on their way there to Masca to punish him; which is why he suddenly left, scared; walked the wrong direction so as to not be seen; but they followed him, eventually, so he went off road..........
@andyfleming747 You are correct. There are two hypotheses. I believe the boat theory.
@@Royalty12345 Thank you, that is interesting; I think i agree with you. It would be really good to see how many people agree with which theory.
Brandon went to Tenerife 2 years ago for his birthday, and is a regular, apparently, so it would be interesting to know what contacts he made whilst over there. And still nothing from him, think he knows a lot more than he's letting on
Hi Harsh you look amazing as usual. But for social media Jay wouldn't have had the over the top funeral. I'm pleased that you are prepared to put yourself out there expressing those uncomfortable truths. Love from South Africa 💙💙
That was not an over the top funeral...
@@johorrocks8927
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How can anyone say give it a rest?? We need to keep talking about jay because he was set up and murdered. So keep talking don't let anyone forget jay. Hopefully those responsible will face punishment. JUSTICE FOR JAY. Many blessings Amanda 🙏🕊️🙏🕊️
Good points Harsh. Something happened on that last night, something to do with drugs, watches, money or Moroccan crims. We don’t know but his so-called mates do. They’re possibly keeping stum or giving out false statements because whatever happened may expose their own criminality.
I was listening to Luggy’s TikTok Q&A yesterday. Luggy is Chris Pennington’s mate. It was Luggy who was overheard at Jay’s funeral saying that the Guardia Civil had lied to the family. Apparently the Guardia Civil weren’t searching very effectively, half-hearted and looking in the wrong places. It was Luggy who told them if they didn’t search that ravine bottom then Chris P would roll up in a boat and find Jay himself. This, together with the fact that the Dutch team were about to arrive, spurred them on into searching the ravine bottom and finding Jay.
I don’t think he was murdered, not to say he wouldn’t have been if he had upset someone so badly they’d have chased and found him. Whatever happened on that last night could have spooked him into getting away from the area with Qassim and his mate. Afterwards I think he planned a route which led him away from the Air BnB and the road where he would have been a sitting duck. The hiking path down to the beach where he could have access to a boat back to his digs may have seemed sensible to him. It wasn’t because there’s nothing there at that beach, he didn’t know that. However he didn’t take the hiking path which is on the south side of the ravine which is dangerous enough. He got lost and took the path on the north side of the ravine which is far more dangerous. Whether he slipped and fell or passed out through dehydration and heat exhaustion we’ll never know. That’s where he was found, at the bottom of the ravine amongst the cactus and aloe vera.
It was no accident. And when his friends knew the location they could have got him in a taxi. Too many coincidences. Nothing makes sense. He was just a young boy.
I love your subtle remarks. You are the best.
Thank you! 😃
Uve given me a sore neck today from sitting here nodding along in total agreement with u!😂 X
Everything hinges on the apparent phone calls that Jay had with Lucy and Brad. This sets the scene for his so called 'wandering off ' . But maybe the calls were by someone else with Jays phone ,instructing them to tell everyone the fake narrative. I.E. Lucy knew by then that Jay had been disposed of ,so she now was told to start the fake story ,and started a gofundme as part of the process. Makes alot more sense than the official version of events.
6:05 there is another screenshot of a ping that Jay (apparently) took. I have it saved. and sorry, but the whole ping screenshotS make more sense once you have the other one...imo anyways
The key part is what happened immediately after leaving that club. There would be cctv all over the place in that area and the beach. All the answers would be on these but there is clearly something to fear that’s in control on Tenerife. There is a webcam and speaker on that beach near the club, a live cam on 24/7, like there is on a lot of beaches in Europe.
Excellent point… Yes that must be where the video came from of Lucy calling out ‘Jay, Jay’ near or on the beach when he had obviously been beaten or worse. Somebody tried to say it was a video from 6 years ago of some kids but it was definitely Lucy.
It was checked.and said it was from 9 years.ago.@@Royalty12345
Evening Harsh.. it’s very rare to have caught you live. Well I’m assuming yr still live. Morning /evening everyone. ✌️
I’m still about mate, hope you’re well
The post mortem said death and head injury consistant with fall from cliff. Might I just point out another case where injuries leading to death were consistant with a car crash or falling from a multi storey fall, but was indeed murder. 10 month old baby Jacob crouch, murdered by his step father and mother. There is so many things that dont make sense in this case, everyone deserves justice , also nobody should ever get away with murder.
I just wondered about this watch ⌚ role x ,, could it be that's wat they called a high class drug and not a watch at all , it's just that we've heard no more about that ,,thankyou
I do want to FOIA everything and read it for myself…. Just because I want the investigation notes. But being from out of the country I doubt they will give it to me. 🤔
What if Jay was the first who stabbed someone? He had 2 kitchen knifes from his apartment, so he was expecting something to happen. The scuffle in front of the club, relocated to the beach. Jay was on the run and Lucy begged Ajub for help, car and bnb were rented in short time to hide Jay there. His friends followed up. And there the big bang happened Jay and his friends were beaten up und Jay seriously injured by a third party and Jay died. His body was hidden there for 2 weeks (lots of rooms in the basement or even connection to tunnels.) After 2 weeks the Guardia Civil called off the search for Jay. A professional clean up service was hired for the bnb. After that the forensic team searched the bnb 2 weeks after Jay went missing. Meanwhile Jays body was stored somewhere else and was placed a few days before they find him in the ravine.
The interest I think is we don't have answers to some basic questions such as why no phone data investigated and why Mark Thomas, Paul Arnott & Callum Fahim left the case and island abruptly, Chris Tenerife is still posting but it comes across as unscripted and poorly presented and he only comes up with excuses and no relevance, still lots of questions until something gives.
If my child decided to walk to their death, I want more answers than seem to be given for this case.
And your looking as amazing as ever Harsh 🩵🩵 .. thanks for keeping this case going. I think eventually you creators and commenters will crack this case! OR someone involved will crack. After all they are young and will have families of their own one day, settle down and feel that guilt. It’s just a matter of time 😊
Keep this going to find the answers,as to the negative comments,there's other channels,I'm from NZ, I'm interested
I don't think ballwinkle went back to bed but got in his car and pursued Jay hence he was panicking. Just a thought to this ridiculous ridiculous mess
It ok harsh your not the only 1 still going on about this case other you tubers are still on ❤it
So the beach video is over 5 years old, a simple search for the video shows where and when that video first was uploaded. People are so lazy that doing just a very basic search on a video or picture they are being shown is legitimate to the story they are being told. In most cases this just takes seconds to verify. Channels know and rely on the sad fact that most of the people who watch their content wont bother to check that what they are saying is a actual fact or even a possibility. I dont agree with Harsh about everything but what I do like is he will give you every side of a story or argument and as he says just "gives you the meat and potatoes", he is one of the few that does that anymore.
Many here would donate more bcs they trying to help and care. they're in shock whats happened and how there are so many questions about Jay disappearance. Public demands it.
Happy Saturday, Harsh family! 🇺🇸🫶🇬🇧
In my opinion the family got us all involved in this by asking for go fund me money. When your on the outside looking in you can see something doesn't add up. We just want justice for Jay
That’s so true
Someone speaking up friends of them ,made a comment about the night before ,it's because of that .
Thanks harsh
Yeah what happened the night before, I wonder
Thank you Harsh for working 7 days a week!😊❤
Unless I was scared and needed to get away, I wouldn’t care about low battery.
I’m sure that’s the same for everyone else, but apparently not Jay 🤷🏻♀️.
This kid (mobile phones are always charged before we leave any charging port), couldn’t care less about his phone, he was panicking and needed to get away. Soo how on Gods earth is this not being investigated.
Harsh should never bully disabled people
Why didn’t his friends not tell him to stay where he was, and that they would come and get him. It’s weird