"Fuck you gonna do? Tell everyone and possibly be shunned by all monster and human kind including your brother, possibly leading to me committing mass homicide and genocide due to you not being there to stop me until you're the only one left but i have over 200 hp and you can't do shit?"
@@potatoarcher3985 Well is it really gaslighting? It's not like Frisk is lying, all those people would be devastated... And Frisk also isn't lying about having a special power, heck if one human kid can beat 7 humans and a semi-God then I find it difficult Sans could do anything.
Hm didn't seem real to sans to me... I mean he is literally the one that judges Kris in the New Home church. Then he goes and kills 1 or more monsters (plus Asgore) and then escapes himself, only to go back and kill some "bad humans" like a punisher. The game says we are still a neutral murder if we kill Asgore and at least 1 main boss monster or minor enemy monster. Of course Sans should take them down for killing those humans. Or at the very least show the 7 bodies of the humans Kris Killed. Amazingly voice acted and edited comic dub... but the write of the dub was just trying to force that "the fuck you gonna do?" against Sans who threatens us on the regulars to not fuck up or go genocidal. (...But that maybe because I'd rather kill a murder than let them blackmail me to let it go. Hate Blackmail in any form)
Undertale neutral route is always intriguing to me. It has so much story potential from uplifting to scary. In fact I think it can be much scarier than genocide route because we know how things go in genocide but here’s someone new, unknown.
@@phanton4305 You can do absolutely ANY plot around ANY of neutral endings,its such free real estate for ideas,but sadly all those years people been concentrating on only two main endings and their variation,but now,in golden age of Undertale,we get some new unique ideas XD
To be fair, 8 other humans fell down there, as well as a myth about people not returning was a thing, there's probably quite a few people which know about the mountain.
I really like the personality of frisk here, most people do the pacifist frisk (As a morally perfect kid) or the genocide frisk (As a megalomaniac psychopath) but this comic made neutral frisk, someone who doesn't care doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, I feel it's fresh new take on the character
well to be fair we only know that frisk is happy with everyone being happy in the pacifist ending but the player does have an influence in frisk so you could say this is frisk-player but without the player there, a truly neutral being, yeah a very nice interpretation
@@jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650 That's what the game says But if we remove that from the equation, Frisk/Chara is just doomed to get dark, considering they can do whatever they want with the timeline and nobody would even remember, plus they died numerous times in the Underground, so they aren't afraid of deaths either So basically a truly neutral, *DETERMINED,* unstoppable being with no remorse
I'll be very honest. The Neutral endings feel more fulfilling to me than "Pacifist" ever could, because the unknown provides hope and faith. Hope and faith that Flowey eventually gains enough hearts to regain his form, and that Monsters acquire freedom on their own terms (or with my help, if a few humans suddenly just disappear).
It looked very innocent at first, but the end. It made a really dark turn. Remember that people that look nice, like Frisk, could not always be the nicest people.
the second i heard about the dead falling human i already was sus of frisk so i was only half surprised when it was revealed since i was half expecting it
Honestly this Frisk feels more like Chara, in the sense that this is literally what Chara had planned to do with Asriel. 1: Kill the bad humans for souls 2: Destroy the barrier with said souls *This is exactly what Frisk did here.*
It’s coincidental the writer wanted to show a neutral frisk who’s a dude that’s fine with killing people for the right reasons though I find weird that the monsters treat him like it’s basically just a pacifist run frisk I mean he had to kill a ton of people and possibly mettaton to be this fine with murder I feel like sans should’ve hated him and undyne should be dead or at least mention his killings to really differentiate it from the pacifist ending
@@guycrew3973 this frisk probably did a few resets where he killed some people but decided to try again without killing anybody, and that's why they're okay with murder
@@narrativeless404 that's not what the commenter implied, sans doesn't know about resets, sure, but he does know about the "special power" just not what it does, he knows frisk is threatening to use that special power, and he just doesn't wanna find out what it does
Love the fact that there aren't all the 6 souls we've seen until now, as if it really was pure luck that 6 different souls fell down before. Really a cool detail.
I feel like a neutral route is more realistic than the pacifist route. Imagine you knew nothing about Undertale, and you too fell down the underground filled to the brim with monsters. A goat monster telling you to speak or flee rather than do anything else. You’re bound to accidentally kill someone out of self-defense. I mean not gonna lie if I fell down some unknown place and people were attacking me I probably would’ve attacked them back instead of talking it out. Especially if it was a species I knew nothing about. The Genocide route seems sort of realistic too. If the underground has to deal with an unhinged person then that’s them. I mean if you were on your way to an accidental genocide route the only thing that would probably stop you is papyrus. And sans’s subtle threats.
Genocide requires you to actively try to grind monsters, not just "kill every monster you meet" But yes neutral is the most realistic, but that is WHY the game is designed for you to kill goat mom and forces you to get neutral before allowing pacifist.
@Xavier Rivera i mean You could flee but yeah i agree the most threatening monsters like the ones in the core or undyne wouldnt be spared out of fear and self defense But the ruins monsters are barely any danger and so is papyrus ( not because he is weak but because he Doesnt want to kill )
Nah, I doubt you'd accidentally kill something in self-defense. You need to have killing intent to injure a monster enough to kill it, right? So most people would probably just seriously hurt them but not kill them. Though maybe some people would think they need to flat out kill their aggressors
honestly, this is pretty realistic. frisk knows the monsters need human souls, and they know how to kill by now, probably LVd up a bit in the neutral route. so they decided to kill humans and give the holes to the monsters. not anyone, but murderers, rapists, abusers and other bad people. its honestly not that bad considering they helped millions by killing 7.
@@iliketosaytruecomments3326 Could be corrupt justice souls from their terrible deeds. I'm sure even those with a kindness soul can be terrible people by having a twisted mindset/morality. But it isn't like there's any clear tell like rot, decay, or color shifting for the souls that many other undertale creators indicate.
Honestly as a Frisk who didn't know about the pacifist route, this is the best they could make. Frisk is interesting here, incarning the necessary evil. Even blackmailing Sans even if Frisk doesn't want to do any harm to him. At least this isn't a full psycho frisk/chara pre-genocide route...it won't be right ? .....
Well if that's the case then why wouldn't frisk let themselves killed instead? That way less people would've died, in this it seems like frisk wants to live and do the right thing in his own way even sacrificing others but not themselves, a very selfish act even if you wanted to live by yourself, but in the end not THAT bad like you said, though still kinda wrong but ubderstandable even while being selfish i guess
well to be fair we only know that frisk is happy with everyone being happy in the pacifist ending but the player does have an influence in frisk so you could say this is frisk-player but without the player there, a truly neutral being, very interesting yeah
@@woomod2445 Nah Post-genocide would care about nobody, yet go specifically for a full-scale genocide on Humans Post-genocide is when Chara fully takes over after exiting the Underground no matter what Frisk does So this Frisk/Chara definitely not a stranger to killing, but they definitely didn't finish a genocide run at any point
In my opinion, this is the best possible ending for Undertale, even the most consistent: *Asgore is DEAD, the underground mourns his loss, but they are able to move on despite the consequences being irreversible. [14] humans died, but the king of monsters and many others as well, both sides share a loss. *Frisk is truly NEUTRAL, no extreme pacifism, or something childish and playful like a crazy murderer, here, we have someone truly neutral towards their actions, who saw a problem, and looked for a logic solution, even if they had get their hands dirty. Frisk is a murder, but at least they maintains decency. (Also, no shipping with Sans, fantasies, or anything weird, it really feels like Neutral Frisk) *In the end, it's not a very sweet conclusion, or too bitter, it's at the right point, the final reflection is fine, and that's it, it's a pretty good fanmade. Good job.
Only thing that could have made it better would be the Player existing. Otherwise the best take on mainchara I have ever seen. Good extrapolation of one who is not Frisk, but neither the other side.
I mean, we as Players controls Frisk's actions, and actually, You can't do a Pacifist route without a reset, so yeah, this is actually canon Frisk and also the player, without getting out of Character (?)
@@sharingrey2433 well to be fair we only know that frisk is happy with everyone being happy in the pacifist ending but the player does have an influence in frisk so you could say this is frisk-player but without the player there, a truly neutral being yeah
@@tarniabook3076 I know my joke comment is two years old, but it's actually pretty implied that Sans is only lazy because his knowledge of resets demotivates him. It's safe to assume that before he found out about resets that he wasn't lazy at all, or at least not nearly as much so, especially seeing that he has some kind of science background
Is it bad that I love this version of frisk the best? They give off the pure definition of determination, no matter what they've done. They had a goal and did what they thought of to help return the monsters to the surface as fast as possible. I think no matter what, this is the true neutral frisk that I see in game on frisks face
Toriel's reaction is even sadder when you remember none of her kids had even made it to teenage hood.. And the one who does ends up being a murderer. Poor Lady just can't get a break :(
The thing is. I honestly like this because, if I was in Frisk position. Being down there making connections, only for me being the only one to escape. I probably do the same, and to justify what I was doing. I'd make sure the people I found were killers, I'd tell myself it's to save them and that these were bad people. Who wouldn't kill bad people to save loved ones? So it's very realistic
@@hollowgab6531That's because you can't try again if you fail And Frisk died many times, so they don't care And Chara might be even encouraging the idea of killing Humans to give Monsters their souls
I feel bad for Sans. He can't tell anyone about Asriel, or what Frisk did, because that information is really shocking, and it can do even worse! Living every day with this burden is unbearable! I feel bad for him :"(
I think the main problem is that while Asgore felt horrible for the murders he had to commit to free his people, and truly lamented the loss of life, frisk just shrugged it off like it was nothing. I seriously doubt all seven of those people committed crimes that excused their murder, but frisk acts like its no big deal. Also, the way they blackmailed and manipulated sans isn't something a good person would do. It shows that frisk has definitely got some issues. Also also, the whole reason the monsters Needed 7 new souls was because frisk screwed up, and deprived the underground of its chance and its king. In self defense yes, but that makes their actions less heroism and more cleaning up there own mistake, and it speaks of a "I won't die for this cause, but I'll sacrifice others for it" mentality, and that mentality has been held by the most horrid people in history. That's why I personally sympathize with Asgore, but am suspicious of this Frisk. After all, if they could commit murder 7 times without regret, then what's to say they won't do it again the next time they feel it's neccesary?
Or better yet how Sans judges anyone and yet refuses to tell others about the resets... not only that but I'm pretty sure if someone were to kill his brother he'd be ready to go full bad time on them (of course Frisk still isn't entirely right for their actions but hey sometimes you gotta do the wrong thing for the right reason) oh and also would Frisk Lv have raised and if so how much do they have now?
@@dychen5777 good sir, have you played the game? (not an attack) The reason he doesn't tell anyone about the resets is because it doesn't matter if he does, since it will all just RESET and everyone will forget, including him. And while he is definitely angry when you kill his brother, he never fights you unless you kill literally EVERYONE, for the same reasons he doesn't tell about the resets, because in the end it will all just reset anyway, so why should he bother? (Also, if anyone were to kill MY little brother who is has done nothing wrong and I had the power to kill them and they wouldnt just come back in a reset, I'd do so without hesitation too, so I'm a little confused on your point.) On the topic of frisk, I actually have a comment right above giving my reason as to why what she did was questionable no matter how you slice it.
the fact that frisk even blackmailed him to shut up by using his own question, "what will i do if i do have some sort of special power", she literally told him that even if he does say something she will shush him one way or another, until he gives up without harming him. That was literally the most passive agressive threat non threat ever sayed
I agree with frisk if i was in that situation i would've done the same but more quitly as possible and make their deaths quick and painless as possible
This is very much the definition of "Happy Ending" with a question mark at the end. Yes, the barrier is destroyed, monsterkind is free, and Frisk gets to reunite with everyone...but the price paid and the circumstances make one question if it was worth it and leaves Sans stuck in a lose-lose situation. Sure, he keeps his mouth shut everyone is happy...but he's letting a murderer with a very questionable form of morality run free doing whatever they want. Who's to say this version of Frisk won't be willing to kill even more for the sake of their goals? After all, they killed seven members of their own kind while barely batting an eye, so who knows what else they're capable of? Plus, Frisk SAYS what they did was justified...but all we got is their word to go on. No actual proof right now. And if he does reveal the truth, that's basically a whole other can of worms. Not only would that totally devastate everyone, it could lead to another war, or Frisk, as they implied, might just reset the whole timeline, making all this mean nothing. It especially hurts for Sans as Frisk was once somebody he considered a dear friend....and now he's got to live with the knowledge they're a killer for the rest of his days.
Thing is Frisk only did what needs to be done Even if Frisk can be considered as Murder,then only to a same degree as Asgore is,and even then,Frisk by the way didnt kill any human with specifically good traits like Kindness or Justice which justifies their actions even more So yeah,i like this Frisk because they arent crazed maniac,nor a truly pure-heartet person,they are just decent normal human being,with own goals in mind and wishes to fulfil but they arent going overboard to get what they want
Frisk helped millions of people to receive freedom by choosing to kill 7 humans, regardless of the harm done, its not like the monsters were any better, killing 6 humans and attempting to kill the 7th one is ok but the 7th kid doing the same thing and freeing the monsters suddenly makes it bad? Judging frisk in this position is kinda hypocritical. They successively did the same thing that the monsters tried to do
@@jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650They couldn't There's also Chara now, so pulling out a Pacifist Clover and giving away their soul just wouldn't work And even if Frisk can give away their soul when it's not down to 0 HP, that's not in character for them to do it
@@narrativeless404 never thought about it like that, i mean they would have to just let themselves killed for that, that sounds harsh, i stay the same, but i would understand the decision
well damn.. I thought about this scenario my self a few times after getting the best neutral ending as well. Frisk essentially did what Chara wanted to do, kill seven humans and let the monsters use their souls to free the monsters. Also great dubbing as always, keep up the good work!
The portrayal of Sans's character here is top notch. Everyone is portrayed nicely here, but Sans had a big role in this comic and it fits so well. Keeping quiet about all of the burdens of those around him, and quietly accepting all of the knowledge with a smile, a certain careless exterior until things get serious, the way he speaks to Frisk in a morally complex situation. It really feels like authentic Sans, down to the finest of details. Even the way he learns things, it's from a distance. The way he's standing outside the room when the final human passes and the way he's nothing more than a witness to Flowey becoming Asriel. Even the way Frisk and Flowey treat him fits so well for characters that understand him on a level that no one could naturally. The way Frisk knows Sans is creeping up on them before Sans reveals himself, and how there is no fear of him when he does it. Or the way Flowey picks Sans to see him break the barrier because he KNOWS Sans keeps quiet and has a lot of burdens he carries. It's a level of respect that really brings out their dynamic. They don't like each other due to a past, but they understand things about each other better than anyone else. It's endearing seeing Sans carry Flowey around, it just fits. Even down to the flaws in his character, the way he casts judgement. Frisk calling that out in the conversation between the two of them felt so powerful and gave me chills. I always thought Sans couldn't be blackmailed due to how observant and secretive he is, but this comic showed me that the people who REALLY understand him could do it so easily. This comic felt so canon for a storyline that's a bit out there. I loved every second of this!
“All the mercy in the world wouldn’t have opened that Barrier. You needed seven human souls. Someone had to do this.” “you can’t seriously be arguing that you did this out of necessity-” “Let me ask you something, Sans. Suppose I didn’t have any sort of ‘special power’. Suppose my battle with Undyne ended exactly like it had the first time around. When you all were done wiping my mangled corpse off the floor of Waterfall and delivering my soul in a jar to King Asgore, would you be giving him this same talk, asking how he could possibly live with being a murderer? Or if it was all really worth it?” “…” “As cruel and unfair as it sounds, no you wouldn’t. And not just because he was your king, either. It would hurt, but you’d accept it, because at the end of the day even you would have to admit that the freedom of the entire monster civilization was worth a whole lot more than one insignificant human life.” “…insignificant? was that all those humans you killed were to you? insignificant lives?” “I didn’t go kidnapping random people off the street, Sans. Those people had it coming- frankly, they won’t be missed. And like I said- you all needed human souls. I figured that if I could forgive all those monsters for killing me over and over when ultimately it was for a good cause, I could forgive myself for doing the same thing a few more times.” “buddy, if the lesson you took from your time among monsterkind was that murder is okay as long as you think the ends justifies the means, then something seriously got lost in the messaging.” “Yeah, well. Having your soul shattered 40-some times across the entire Underground kind of leaves that impression on a person.” “…” “Hey- if it makes you feel any better, it wasn’t like every single monster was out to get me. I know for sure Papyrus never killed me, even the couple of times he beat me. Captured me, sure, but he always showed mercy.” “yeah, that’s papyrus for you. not the type to ever give up on that old fashioned notion of doing the right thing. even if it meant having the barrier to deal with.” “…you know, if more people were as kind as you and your brother, I seriously doubt there ever would have been a Barrier in the first place."
I really like this take on Frisk. We don't know what kind of person they are, really, since we're controlling them 99% of the time. All we know is that they have an incredible amount of determination, and they're a lot like Chara, someone who also thought the ends justified the means. If you don't take them down the right path, this might be who they grow up to become
Dang that ending was messed up. Frisk at least could've felt a little bad about it but said it needed to be done. And man when they then pretty much blackmailed Sans into not telling anyone, man like I def like nice pacifist frisk better. Or neutral Frisk but more in a way like they would've killed those humans but still felt bad and said they needed to to free everyone and that Sans shouldn't tell anyone cause yeah it'd make things worse like they said in this but just in a less blackmail-y way. Still and amazing comic though and amazing dub, so good
@Ray Sharrow Frisk targeted all the bad people,and pretty much Sans really doesnt have any right to judge Frisk about their actions right now,lol Im honestly not sure if he even should care about other human's lives anyway,but at very least i can for sure say that he isnt that much leans to fanon
Just as Sans, I have no words. What can I say in this... ? The only thing Sans could do would break the whole chain of links in relations and events. We can only try to disregard the truth... But it will always pain our stomach knowing what it cost and how cold blooded Frisk even mentioned their actions...
Frisk did the same stuff that the monsters tried to do. Theres no reason to judge. And why snitch? They literally helped monsters to exit the underground, and the only thing you can think of doing is screwing the Saviors relationships over? Like, frisk is kinda right even through they were a bit manipulative over it. Toriel lost her entire family and the human children, and one day she finally reunites with frisk. If she were to find out, she would feel truly horrible. And papyrus's was close friends with frisk, he may forgive them if they did it for the monsters. But he was hesitant over the idea of undyne killing frisk, so it depends. You could argue that this action is actually good because then everyone would praise frisk by being bold and saving the underground, but thats another topic. Frisk isnt exactly cold blooded in this situation, after all, if they truly were cold blooded, why would they care enough about monsterkind to actually kill 7 humans for the sake of over 12000 people? They had good intentions and genuinely cared about monsterkind.
@@dylanzlol7293 This and that are not the question. The bad thing is, they murdered 7 humans. Humans aren't one dimensionnal, they could change, redeem themselves. Or litterally the opposite, they could snap and go completelly nuts. But saying that Frisk has the right to decide the fate over people who did dispicable act is trully immoral. Sans knows this. You cannot choose the fate of other people because of your own judgement. You can however try to stop them when they happen to threaten to destroy the whole world. Like heroes. or Sans. But beeing okay with someone who just murdered people who happened to do bad things just for having done those, for a greater purpose but not giving a crap about what they did, is absolutelly horrid. Those people could have turned themselves around. They could even achieve greater purposes too. But will never know, because a random child with a pocket knife manage to somehow end their fate and forget about them like bugs.
@@Tenshi04Akuma maybe not, like, the monsters were doing the same for freedom, and frisk helped them get that freedom. The thing is: frisk got like thousands of monsters to the surface by killing 7 humans, basically the trolley situation (that one with the rails and the people tied to the rails and stuff) Maybe frisk doesnt have the right to choose the fate of some criminals, but like, 7 humans would have been murdered to free the underground anyways, frisk chose to speed up the process. Its not like frisk killed some random guys without any particular reason. Immoral or not, frisk had good intentions, they wanted to help the underground, and they did.
@@dylanzlol7293 Uh-huh. That still d8esn't justify their actions as they clearly know here that they have the RESET ability. They knew they could do better and still did this. It creeps me out.
@@dylanzlol7293 Monsters would justify Frisk's actions, but Humans would declare another war, which will end with one-sided genocide from Frisk/Chara, until either Humans agree to stop that, or Frisk kills all of them, then either Monsters take over the Surface, or they RESET and try again
Frisk downloaded the Eren Yeager update into his programming, and we got this as a result. The ends justify the means, right? Right? Awesome dubbing as always. ❤️
Nah, not yet. It would be more fitting if after the monsters are freed from the Underground, humans don't accept them and fight against them (because of discrimination or whatever) and Frisk decided to pull out some human extermination stuff by, well, maybe feeding Flowey 7 human souls and tell him to destroy everything. By killing all the humans, monsters can take all the land and live happily.
@@angtamnguyen8390 still a bad ending, there isn't nearly as many monsters as there are humans, nuclear power plants would melt down, humans might also decide to launch their nuclear arsenals in a last ditch "if we can't have it, no one can" Scenario. No one would win realistically.
Eren, whispering into Frisk's ear: "Kill people and throw them down the hole so that monsters can have the souls needed to get out. And then get the lazy skeleton to kill all the Titans."
8:39 - 8:50 GAVE ME CHILLS LITERAL CHILLS and don't even get me started on the blackmail, like DaMn Frisk is super cold hearted. It was like they had justified their actions and ran with it. It was to save their friends..it was..good in the end. The neutral route paints all the good in this a sickly color and I am soo interested in that. Plus the voice acting made it 10x better, I love the emotions portrayed and how sinister Frisk sounds and how helpless sans sounds. Top quality I did NOT deserve
Some things you mentioned here really resonate with me as a person. I've been going into psychology (both on the personal and socioeconomical level) and the Neutral route is the most realistic to what would likely happen in real life if your average joe fell into the underground. It's in human nature to fear what we do not understand - to a certain extent. By the events of Undertale it's implied a vast amount of time has expired since the "great war" of the intro flashback. Humans may have mostly forgotten about monsters and/or magic - think of if ancient mythos suddenly came to life one day IRL. Considering the monsters wished to murder humans for their souls, your average person would likely respond to such violence in kind: whether or not they would kill an individual is less likely, but considering that humans are depicted as physically superior, an accidental killing is likely, similar to tragic accidents in our world but easier to occur. ESPECIALLY when a person's life is at risk, murder in self-defense is something I could expect given the circumstance. Also, considering the differentiation in race and racial traits, it's easy for the average person to distance themselves from the violence. There are many examples in modern and pre-modern america but across the globe; rome and other historic factions destroying huge quantities of life. "They're not like me" would be an easy excuse to shelter the mind compared to the same scenario with humans instead of monsters. The Neutral route, out of them all, is shockingly realistic to what would happen in our world, and most of its facets have a real-world counterpart. Asgore's call to war over a lost child, Toriel's obsessive guardianship, and even Flowey's power grab in the end of the Pacifist route - at least in terms of mentality are aspects the people of our world experience each day. Assuming frisk is 100% a/the murderer in this comic, their actions aren't entire unjust: are 6-7 human lives worth the lives of an entire species? What a comic and game - to neglect the safety of convention and dare to ask, "why are we just, and what extent makes it unjust?"
The BEST Neutral route ending so far, I mean... Frisk isn't trying to be manipulative, she's honestly and genuinely thinking about the wellbeing of others. She killed those humans inorder to SAVE the people which gave HER a happy ending. You cannot justify murder, but you can understand their reasoning.
AUs like this are so much more imaginative than "make these characters switch places" or "make it edgy, rawr" or "give sans a different outfit and new powers".
Frisk says that all the people she killed were bad, but then why were there 2 souls with the Justice attribute... Maybe police officers who discovered her?
@@guycrew3973 first of all what does patient souls have to do with this thoose are very easily corupted for example being patient so you can rob a bank, bravery, being brave enough to commit crimes and intregity well that was probably just the normal intregity soul colected by the monsters
They're a slightly calmer version of Kira from Death Note: judging other humans to be criminals, but not lashing out at the one that calls them evil. That's the difference between this version of Frisk and Light Yagami.
This is an interesting concept because like, they can only judge Frisk in terms of them willing to kill their own kind. But really, a handful of them are guilty for either killing a human, or in some instances, far worse to their own kind. Either way, in this instance, the manner at which they were freed wasn't any less bloody.
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj Remnants of their clothes are found throughout the Underground. Asgore I believe killed at least one child, but due to his cowardice, left the rest for other monsters. A possible good way to tell how far a child got is where their clothes are left throughout the mountain's environments.
Regardless, the practice of hunting and killing humans was made a cultural law, and due to our obvious experiences in the Underground, carried out willingly for the most part, especially for it's law enforcement. It was even viewed as an honorable thing to do enough for Undyne to glorify the thought of it. This unfortunately included human children, who seem (according to lore so far) to be of equal power and has the same potential of destruction as a adult human, except a bit more unstable due to being so young and their abilities depending on their emotional state.
_Frisk, if they were a long lost relative of Light Yagami-_ Really tho, I feel like this is just a Frisk who was more similar to Chara than other takes. You don't climb a mountain where people go missing unless you have nothing to lose. And humans kinda suck sometimes. This Frisk had given up on humanity, just like Chara had... And unlike an in-game neutral ending, Frisk came up with a plan to free the monsters themselves, before Flowey could (unknowingly) set them on the path to True Pacifist. Their motivations were good, but they did something horrible because of it...Bittersweet... (Also, not enough people pointing this out, love the detail of Flowey only letting Sans look because he knows Sans will 1) understand what he's looking at and 2) keep his mouth shut, so Toriel doesn't have to know about her Flower Son in less than ideal circumstances.)
In a way, if toriel found out, although she would be shocked, she wouldnt be able to fully be mad at frisk without being a hypocrite. It was her idea in the first place to go to the surface to gather all the souls needed, and asgore said no. So technically frisk did what toriel wanted in the past? Correct me if im wrong
@@dychen5777 she says it when she scolds Asgore before the asriel fight for waiting for humans to fall instead of going to the surface to quicken the process of gathering souls.
Papyrus would quickly forgive frisk, undyne would be like "well, i DID try to kill you earlier, so cant judge you over it.", actually, everyone would praise frisk because they were bold enough to do this decision AND because they are monsterkind's savior. In fact, i dont think canon sans would even care. He would probably say "welp, can't say you're truly innocent, you did receive some exp after all. But hey, you did this for us, so i cant really blame ya. after all, even our close buddies were guilty of attempted murder, right? and, if your word is anything to go by, those guys may not have been kind either. anyhow, see ya later, i guess."
Interesting that asgore got every colour of soul just happening to drop down into the underground..... as seen in this comic, the souls are random. so it really intrigues me that 6 children of different coloured souls just happened to fall into the underground..... like, what are the chances?
If Sans were to tell people, I wish Frisk took an alternate path to not throw those humans. For once, Frisk could've just spoken with people on death trial and gotten them to sign their SOUL to be shipped underground. If not all agreed, eventually seven would. And how would the SOULs descend? Simple. Something with enough air resistance could've made it down without breaking, leaving the SOUL in a container at the flowerbed. I bet no one would've complained about that. People willingly dying, then their soul serving to break injustice made by humans who sealed the barrier. Not even that comedian would complain.
Pretty sure it wouldn't work I mean why would the humans put thier trust in Frisk in fact there was a horrortale comic with a theory that Frisk was put into an Asylum due to thier "Hallucinations" yet look how that went so it makes sense why it had to be secret
Indeed. Which is why I believe there must be a way to revive Chara's spirit. I just hope they won't have to become monsters (I know they return in Genocide, but I don't want to conclude the route, only to wake them up, and then have them carry over into the next loops, awake and with a new chance at life). I'll be very honest. The Neutral endings feel more fulfilling to me than "Pacifist" ever could, because the unknown provides hope and faith. Hope and faith that Flowey eventually gains enough hearts to regain his form, and that Monsters acquire freedom on their own terms (or with my help, if a few humans suddenly just disappear).
@@JabamiLainkinda funny now looking back my AU (no offense to popular AUs) they mainly are based in Genocide timelines as templates or GENOCIDE route version despite the AU can be open to alot of routes of the mc. So my AU is base in Neutral/Pacifist routes [base on my AU] Won’t spoil much since that AU draft of mine coincidently already manifest in Deltarune of my desire yet not close enough. So I continue and now my AU evolve into a Deltarune/Undertale AU Still mainly Undertale yet the vibe is a mix of both and the timeline lacks genocide so. My Sans , other undertale cast (which btw Sans isn’t they mc of my AU) yet one of my iconic draft illustrations. Supposedly nice you commented because my personal playthrough is both neutral and pacifist and NGL I love taking my time with the dialogue of NPCS besides main cast
I've been looking for a post genocide ending one I think. I don't what its called but it was an animation of the human going crazy on the surface world killing everything in sight.
There must be a way to revive Chara's spirit. I just hope they won't have to become the way you describe in your comment (I know they return in Genocide, but I don't want to conclude the route, only to wake them up, and then have them carry over into the next loops, awake and with a new chance at life). I'll be very honest. The Neutral endings feel more fulfilling to me than "Pacifist" ever could, because the unknown provides hope and faith. Hope and faith that Flowey eventually gains enough hearts to regain his form, and that Monsters acquire freedom on their own terms (or with my help, if a few humans suddenly just disappear).
I would have loved it if the souls took control of Flowey and went on to seek revenge on Frisk. Also, to answer to Frisk's question: he's no one. Hes someone who told you jokes. Hes someone who observed you. He's the best witness and judge of your character. Asshles always try to hide behind something greater, to disguise and alienate their own intentions for the rest of the world. To make it seem like you can't judge them and their flawed, hypocritical standing. But that's a lie. The simpler the answer, you are a murderer, the better it is to cut away the bs. So it was in ancient greece with the furies
By that logic then same goes for Asgore and same most likely goes for Undyne too Maybe Sans but we never know much about those lazybones anyway so cant assume really
Frisk killed 7 humans to save the monsters, they arent a complete asshole over doing this. They cared about the monsters enough to save them. Also, all of monsterkind tried to do the same thing anyways, judging frisk for having the balls to do the dirty job for the monsters but monsters get away with it? Hmm.
@@dylanzlol7293 I mean, Monsters did it out of desperation, they were not even evil. Besides the only two we know that canonically killed at least a human is Asgore and Toriel, cause you know, they were in war. Frisk's case is, they are trying to justify taking the lives by themselves cause those peoples were criminals. They could've took human souls from graveyards or hospitals If they really wanted to get it done.
This is so fascinating to me, Frisk obviously still cares about monsterkind and is sympathetic towards their (now former) plight. But they also seem very, detached and cold. To them the ends justify the means and furthermore I can imagine what the kind of power granted by their level of determination would do to a person.
1:21 funny how Frisk said the humans they killed where evil and some souls have justice and bravery souls (justice could be humans that killed for regevenge but the other ones are kinda off...)
There's probably already an anime about this exact concept, but seriously, if we ever get an official Undertale movie or series, I don't want it to be about the game, I want this. This could be an amazing thriller/whodunnit. 2 hours to 12/24 episodes of Sans trying to get Frisk to pay for their crimes without ruining everything? A UT series is like the lesser Half Life 3 of the Indie Game fandom.
0:55 He knew... And you too... And the soul colors: patience, bravery, perseverance, justice... Those can be considered evil virtues too (even justice, if it's blind and wielded by a ruthless principles's zealot)
I saw the first part of this comic dubbed but I didn't know it had more pages, this is amazing! You did a truly good job voicing it, the conversation between Frisk and Sans just gave me the chills.
True, but Frisk sorta has a point, true, what they did is literaly fucked up, no if, and, or buts about it. However, if the whole world finds out about these murders, things are just gonna get worse at the end of the day. Ofcourse I don’t aproove Frisk’s actions here in any way, nor am I defending there actions. However, those humen did not deserve this fate, criminals or not. Sure, there could be exceptions. But that would be a little complicated. Wait, now that I think about it, Did Frisk even knew what crimes those humen did exactly? Sure, they mentioned some had a criminal record, but what about those that didn’t. Then again, for all we know Frisk could had been lying. But Sans didn’t point it out.
@@flaremawile726 yeah you never know when a murderer lies or not since its very easy for them but I wunder dose frisk even have the power of reset in the underground?
@@sapphirebjoern5935 Well...they mentioned the special power, I supossed is the power of Reset...though, is questionable if they can only reset in hte underground.
@@flaremawile726 well hopefully not I mean we see what Frisk is capeble of so yeah a genocide run is most likely or for all we know they already did a genecide run and has already seen everything what I am saying is Frisk peobebly sees them as Toys for them as a form of amusmend.
post-neutral where undyne becomes queen 80% of time ends as horror-tale after a certain period of time remember what happens after neutral - even assuming only asgore was taken out, the souls are still gone, and after that undyne can either - wait for a soul and go and hunt the rest, which will likely lead to death of monsters as humans main export has been and is death, and the story ends, or wait and over time become a tyrant of the underground going insane while waiting for souls that's my personal theory though
First, I think the reason why you never answer in the neutral run is because you're stuck in the barrier. Flowey destroys Asgore's soul, and he doesn't have one himself, so you literally don't have the power to cross the barrier on your own. Second, I think people forget this because of Goatmom's Mandela effect, but *Toriel* was the one who suggested using the first soul to cross through the barrier and kill 6 more humans. She literally chastised Asgore for NOT being more proactive in the Soul hunt. She's not nearly as kind nor pacifistic as people like to think of her. She only cares for humans that have specifically fallen under her care, as she presumably projects Chara and/or Asriel onto them. Third, Sans has totally killed people before. He explicitly notes that you'd be dead where you stood if he hadn't made a promise earlier on, and we know Sans can generally back up his threats. Sans also doesn't exactly chastise you for killing people unless you kill his brother specifically, and even then he'll let you go free unless you are in a full genocide run and start advancing on him specifically. So yes, the ends totally justify the means here. Killing 7 rando human beings is but a speck when compared to the eons of suffering that humanity as a whole has forced monsterkind to endure. Enjoy your freedom, Sans.
Loved this comic! Although, is it just me, or did the voice actor for Undyne change? On a different note, to those who think that frisk was in the right, or that sans is being a hypocrite, or that Asgore did the same thing, this is addressed to you.I think the main problem is that while Asgore felt horrible for the murders he had to commit to free his people, and truly lamented the loss of life, frisk just shrugged it off like it was nothing. I seriously doubt all seven of those people committed crimes that excused their murder, but frisk acts like its no big deal. Also, the way they blackmailed and manipulated sans isn't something a good person would do. It shows that frisk has definitely got some issues. Also also, the whole reason the monsters Needed 7 new souls was because frisk screwed up, and deprived the underground of its chance and its king. In self defense yes, but that makes their actions less heroism and more cleaning up there own mistake, and it speaks of a "I won't die for this cause, but I'll sacrifice others for it" mentality, and that mentality has been held by the most horrid people in history. That's why I personally sympathize with Asgore, but am suspicious of this Frisk. After all, if they could commit murder 7 times without regret, then what's to say they won't do it again the next time they feel it's necessary? (Also, another comment reminded me of this fact, there were probably far more morally except-able ways of getting souls to the monsters, like asking those who are dying if they would like to donate their souls, and probably other things that I'm to tired to think of. Might've taken longer, but i think the monsters could wait another year or 2 if it meant no more blood was being spilled)
Frisk wasn't blackmailing (frisk wasn't threatening to tell hidden information on sans) or manipulating (maybe a little but it looed more like calling his bluff, he wasn't going to tell it was only a threat and Frisk spelled ou twhy his threat was cheap), frisk was telling sans what would happen if he spilled the beans..frisk was trying to protect everyone else as they knew it'd hurt everyone if they knew; they killed to set everyone free..they are being good (they aren't evil or anything) just not the typical goody goody everyone would want. There's also a difference between asgore's murders and frisks! Asgore felt bad because they were innocent children being killed, Frisk killed bad people..it's harder to feel guilty when you're killing evil people for a good cause; Asgore only felt bad for what he was doing because they were innocent children, not because he was killing necessarily (and toriel only left him when he killed innocents, she was with him during the war, which also says something). Also, whilst it may not show I doubt Frisk has 0 guilt or remorse for what they did..they were just able to move past it easier.
@@testerwulf3357 This Frisk can't be taken seriously about killing criminals. Sure maybe the patience ones could be taken as someone that waits for the moment to commit a crime. Perseverance could mean someone that does bad things and keep doing it But we can see at least 2 justice + 1 brave soul which should be behind kindness in good.
@@creepymaster2746 justice can be corruption/vengeance (a good example of this is undertale yellow genocide route!), bravery is not necessarily an inherently 'good' trait (with the only inherently 'good' trait being kindness [even integrity souls can be morally questionable, it's more about sticking to one's own morals than necessarily 'doing the right thing'], but even then a kindness soul could be kind and delusional, causing them to maybe commit crimes while abusing substances, for example? idk-) and could actually be very similar to perseverance souls in the nature of motivations. i honestly always saw bravery souls as either impulsive, extroverted people or people who suffered through a lot in life but kept their heads up and remained fearless (but then again, the latter could also just end up become perseverance souls instead). but yeah, i see patience as the true criminal masterminds out of all 7 soul traits. determination souls can be ruthless if it's to get their goal (like we see with frisk in this comic), bravery souls have probably pulled the craziest mastermind plans, justice souls get the best revenge, kindness souls are usually just mentally ill and not bad on purpose (because c'mon, they're kindness souls!), integrity souls are like criminals/assassins with moral codes (these ones are more likely to be hitmen who don't go after children, for example), and perseverance souls are stubborn af, but maybe not quite as ruthless with their goals as determined ones. still, i think patience souls are the best criminal masterminds because it's usually a lack of patience that brings intelligent criminal masterminds down.
“I was always the clumsy one in my family” WTF,does that mean?!!,why is a Frisk who seemingly didn’t kill anyone(except maybe Asgore)so used to violence?Is Frisks family a bunch of assassins,criminals,murders?Was Frisk originally sent down to the underground to kill the monsters but became fond of them?Or is this a Frisk post a genocide run,who cant get a true pacifist ending and went with this as the best alternative?This comic has so many unanswered questions and I need answers!!!
According to Frisk all the people they killed were bad, so they felt no remorse killing the people. I feel like their reasoning was "these people are disgusting. They deserve to die"
FREAKIN YES THIS IS WHAT I CALL GOLDEN AGE OF UNDERTALE COMMUNITY ! And i like this Frisk,they are kind,and they do what they think is right,even if is someone will think its not justified Like... damn,this is just beginning,but im already in love with this comic,lol XD
This was amazing actually. I feel this would be way out of character for Frisk to do... But perfectly in character for spr_mainchara to do! In a timeline where there was never a second Anomaly (the player), mainchara would have had to do all that themselves. Even if I feel the Anomaly would have done that instead, this is an amazing take. That kind of up-front dialogue is something I don't think we would have ever seen in Deltarune hadn't released before. Very interesting comic, a real highlight. First one I read in months. On to the next one.
I still think that frisk was in the right here. Toriel literally suggested to asgore to come to the surface and kill 6 people for the better of monster kind, so it’s not that bad for frisk to do the same +1. Even better if she wasn’t lying about the criminal records that means she went out of her way to cause the least damage to the world she could while doing this.
That took a dark turn… couldn’t Frisk just made human friends and get them to help break the barrier? Love this twisted take tho, it’s super interesting
That’s true, but this is also the neutral route. That kinda sounds like something pacifist Frisk would do, you know? As mentioned in other comments, neutral Frisk see’s a problem and finds a solution even if it means doing something bad to solve it.
It’s the “fuck u gonna do “ approach frisk takes to sans that kills me
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"Fuck you gonna do? Tell everyone and possibly be shunned by all monster and human kind including your brother, possibly leading to me committing mass homicide and genocide due to you not being there to stop me until you're the only one left but i have over 200 hp and you can't do shit?"
That was gaslighting at its finest 🤣
@@potatoarcher3985 Well is it really gaslighting? It's not like Frisk is lying, all those people would be devastated... And Frisk also isn't lying about having a special power, heck if one human kid can beat 7 humans and a semi-God then I find it difficult Sans could do anything.
Hm didn't seem real to sans to me... I mean he is literally the one that judges Kris in the New Home church. Then he goes and kills 1 or more monsters (plus Asgore) and then escapes himself, only to go back and kill some "bad humans" like a punisher. The game says we are still a neutral murder if we kill Asgore and at least 1 main boss monster or minor enemy monster. Of course Sans should take them down for killing those humans. Or at the very least show the 7 bodies of the humans Kris Killed. Amazingly voice acted and edited comic dub... but the write of the dub was just trying to force that "the fuck you gonna do?" against Sans who threatens us on the regulars to not fuck up or go genocidal.
(...But that maybe because I'd rather kill a murder than let them blackmail me to let it go. Hate Blackmail in any form)
Undertale neutral route is always intriguing to me. It has so much story potential from uplifting to scary. In fact I think it can be much scarier than genocide route because we know how things go in genocide but here’s someone new, unknown.
Humans are instinctually afraid of unknown, so yes, it would be scarier since you don't know what to expect
@@phanton4305 You can do absolutely ANY plot around ANY of neutral endings,its such free real estate for ideas,but sadly all those years people been concentrating on only two main endings and their variation,but now,in golden age of Undertale,we get some new unique ideas XD
Agreed! All of the endings with the new leader of underground ore no leader
Like the Mettaton ore papy ending
@@staydetermined6717 So many possibilities,and now we have chance that people gonna realise it . ,.
Take Horrortale as an example.
It is set up after a neutral route where Undyne took over the underground.
"Somone's throwing dead human bodies through the hole you fell down" Well that made the list of suspects virtually non existent.
To be fair, 8 other humans fell down there, as well as a myth about people not returning was a thing, there's probably quite a few people which know about the mountain.
@@arciere5511 7 other humans and frisk not 8 other humans
Couldve just been a serial killer, a hole that no one comes back from is a pretty good place to hide a body
@@arciere5511 True but probably not exact hole/entrance.
Well, actually 9,
CHARA
The seven souls
And Frisk
I really like the personality of frisk here, most people do the pacifist frisk (As a morally perfect kid) or the genocide frisk (As a megalomaniac psychopath) but this comic made neutral frisk, someone who doesn't care doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, I feel it's fresh new take on the character
well to be fair we only know that frisk is happy with everyone being happy in the pacifist ending but the player does have an influence in frisk so you could say this is frisk-player but without the player there, a truly neutral being, yeah a very nice interpretation
@@jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650 That's what the game says
But if we remove that from the equation, Frisk/Chara is just doomed to get dark, considering they can do whatever they want with the timeline and nobody would even remember, plus they died numerous times in the Underground, so they aren't afraid of deaths either
So basically a truly neutral, *DETERMINED,* unstoppable being with no remorse
Pacifist: Lawful Good Frisk
Neutral: Chaotic Good Frisk
Genocide: Chaotic Evil Frisk
I'll be very honest. The Neutral endings feel more fulfilling to me than "Pacifist" ever could, because the unknown provides hope and faith. Hope and faith that Flowey eventually gains enough hearts to regain his form, and that Monsters acquire freedom on their own terms (or with my help, if a few humans suddenly just disappear).
I think neutral endings are Frisk being everything between lawful good and chaotic evil, not just chaotic good
@@Watchinglisteningandnoting
It looked very innocent at first, but the end. It made a really dark turn.
Remember that people that look nice, like Frisk, could not always be the nicest people.
And there me I was the chose one
@@anakinskywalker5664 DAMN BOIII
the second i heard about the dead falling human i already was sus of frisk so i was only half surprised when it was revealed since i was half expecting it
@@fastone5874 at cap
They don't really look nice they look neutral a bit like -_-
Honestly this Frisk feels more like Chara, in the sense that this is literally what Chara had planned to do with Asriel.
1: Kill the bad humans for souls
2: Destroy the barrier with said souls
*This is exactly what Frisk did here.*
Exactly
Chara planned a massacre in the human village, didn't care about who was good or evil
Because in their eyes every human is evil
It’s coincidental the writer wanted to show a neutral frisk who’s a dude that’s fine with killing people for the right reasons though I find weird that the monsters treat him like it’s basically just a pacifist run frisk I mean he had to kill a ton of people and possibly mettaton to be this fine with murder I feel like sans should’ve hated him and undyne should be dead or at least mention his killings to really differentiate it from the pacifist ending
@@guycrew3973 this frisk probably did a few resets where he killed some people but decided to try again without killing anybody, and that's why they're okay with murder
I feel like I understand why Flowey didn’t want anyone to see him break the barrier, he doesn’t want her to feel upset for seeing who he really is.
I wonder if in any Neutral route, they can reclaim who they used to be.
Took me a while to realize that Frisk threatened that they would reset if Sans told anyone.
Damn that is cold.
Not exactly like that, as Sans isn't exactly aware of it. He just knows something isn't right
@@narrativeless404 that's not what the commenter implied, sans doesn't know about resets, sure, but he does know about the "special power" just not what it does, he knows frisk is threatening to use that special power, and he just doesn't wanna find out what it does
@@Midtier_Fortune He knows how many times he has killed you on the genocide route, so he knows exactly what it does
@@balleraash and let me guess you think he knows about every reset too?
@@Midtier_Fortune There's a high chance that this is the case
Love the fact that there aren't all the 6 souls we've seen until now, as if it really was pure luck that 6 different souls fell down before. Really a cool detail.
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I feel like a neutral route is more realistic than the pacifist route. Imagine you knew nothing about Undertale, and you too fell down the underground filled to the brim with monsters. A goat monster telling you to speak or flee rather than do anything else. You’re bound to accidentally kill someone out of self-defense. I mean not gonna lie if I fell down some unknown place and people were attacking me I probably would’ve attacked them back instead of talking it out. Especially if it was a species I knew nothing about. The Genocide route seems sort of realistic too. If the underground has to deal with an unhinged person then that’s them. I mean if you were on your way to an accidental genocide route the only thing that would probably stop you is papyrus. And sans’s subtle threats.
Genocide requires you to actively try to grind monsters, not just "kill every monster you meet"
But yes neutral is the most realistic, but that is WHY the game is designed for you to kill goat mom and forces you to get neutral before allowing pacifist.
@Xavier Rivera i mean You could flee but yeah i agree the most threatening monsters like the ones in the core or undyne wouldnt be spared out of fear and self defense
But the ruins monsters are barely any danger and so is papyrus ( not because he is weak but because he Doesnt want to kill )
"subtle"
Nah, I doubt you'd accidentally kill something in self-defense. You need to have killing intent to injure a monster enough to kill it, right? So most people would probably just seriously hurt them but not kill them. Though maybe some people would think they need to flat out kill their aggressors
@@alemoncitrus8285 Ya, which is why you can spare weakened monsters! (Besides Boss Monster)
honestly, this is pretty realistic. frisk knows the monsters need human souls, and they know how to kill by now, probably LVd up a bit in the neutral route. so they decided to kill humans and give the holes to the monsters. not anyone, but murderers, rapists, abusers and other bad people.
its honestly not that bad considering they helped millions by killing 7.
Probably
If thats true THEN WHY ARE THERE JUSTICE SOULS IN THERE
@@iliketosaytruecomments3326 Could be corrupt justice souls from their terrible deeds. I'm sure even those with a kindness soul can be terrible people by having a twisted mindset/morality. But it isn't like there's any clear tell like rot, decay, or color shifting for the souls that many other undertale creators indicate.
everything depends on the situation
Is about making the best choice after all
@@iliketosaytruecomments3326 "Justice" in name alone? Like corrupt cops.,
I find it funny that frisk says: “who are you to judge me?” When that is literally sans’s job
Honestly as a Frisk who didn't know about the pacifist route, this is the best they could make.
Frisk is interesting here, incarning the necessary evil.
Even blackmailing Sans even if Frisk doesn't want to do any harm to him.
At least this isn't a full psycho frisk/chara pre-genocide route...it won't be right ? .....
It might be chara post genocide, they certainly care far more about monsters than humans, and call toriel mom very quickly.
@@woomod2445 Frisk can be like that too tho
And we cant know if its post genocide because we can know about it only in pacifist route
Well if that's the case then why wouldn't frisk let themselves killed instead? That way less people would've died, in this it seems like frisk wants to live and do the right thing in his own way even sacrificing others but not themselves, a very selfish act even if you wanted to live by yourself, but in the end not THAT bad like you said, though still kinda wrong but ubderstandable even while being selfish i guess
well to be fair we only know that frisk is happy with everyone being happy in the pacifist ending but the player does have an influence in frisk so you could say this is frisk-player but without the player there, a truly neutral being, very interesting yeah
@@woomod2445 Nah
Post-genocide would care about nobody, yet go specifically for a full-scale genocide on Humans
Post-genocide is when Chara fully takes over after exiting the Underground no matter what Frisk does
So this Frisk/Chara definitely not a stranger to killing, but they definitely didn't finish a genocide run at any point
In my opinion, this is the best possible ending for Undertale, even the most consistent:
*Asgore is DEAD, the underground mourns his loss, but they are able to move on despite the consequences being irreversible. [14] humans died, but the king of monsters and many others as well, both sides share a loss.
*Frisk is truly NEUTRAL, no extreme pacifism, or something childish and playful like a crazy murderer, here, we have someone truly neutral towards their actions, who saw a problem, and looked for a logic solution, even if they had get their hands dirty. Frisk is a murder, but at least they maintains decency. (Also, no shipping with Sans, fantasies, or anything weird, it really feels like Neutral Frisk)
*In the end, it's not a very sweet conclusion, or too bitter, it's at the right point, the final reflection is fine, and that's it, it's a pretty good fanmade.
Good job.
I thought it was 14 counting chara
@@grassyummyyum Oh...right, my Bad, sry xd
Only thing that could have made it better would be the Player existing. Otherwise the best take on mainchara I have ever seen. Good extrapolation of one who is not Frisk, but neither the other side.
I mean, we as Players controls Frisk's actions, and actually, You can't do a Pacifist route without a reset, so yeah, this is actually canon Frisk and also the player, without getting out of Character (?)
@@sharingrey2433 well to be fair we only know that frisk is happy with everyone being happy in the pacifist ending but the player does have an influence in frisk so you could say this is frisk-player but without the player there, a truly neutral being yeah
"And who are you to judge me, Sans?"
"i have a fucking ph.d."
Impossible. Sans is too lazy to get higher education. I bet he doesn't even have a high school diploma.
@@tarniabook3076 I know my joke comment is two years old, but it's actually pretty implied that Sans is only lazy because his knowledge of resets demotivates him. It's safe to assume that before he found out about resets that he wasn't lazy at all, or at least not nearly as much so, especially seeing that he has some kind of science background
@@cultofmel Oh, that makes a lot of sense, actually. Yes.
Is it bad that I love this version of frisk the best? They give off the pure definition of determination, no matter what they've done. They had a goal and did what they thought of to help return the monsters to the surface as fast as possible. I think no matter what, this is the true neutral frisk that I see in game on frisks face
Ye
True
For real
Toriel's reaction is even sadder when you remember none of her kids had even made it to teenage hood.. And the one who does ends up being a murderer. Poor Lady just can't get a break :(
At least she doesn’t know
The thing is. I honestly like this because, if I was in Frisk position. Being down there making connections, only for me being the only one to escape. I probably do the same, and to justify what I was doing. I'd make sure the people I found were killers, I'd tell myself it's to save them and that these were bad people.
Who wouldn't kill bad people to save loved ones? So it's very realistic
I dont have the guts
So im good haha
I would jump back, screw the real human world.
Light Yagami death note move and justification
@@hollowgab6531That's because you can't try again if you fail
And Frisk died many times, so they don't care
And Chara might be even encouraging the idea of killing Humans to give Monsters their souls
I feel bad for Sans. He can't tell anyone about Asriel, or what Frisk did, because that information is really shocking, and it can do even worse!
Living every day with this burden is unbearable! I feel bad for him :"(
This turned out exactly as I'd expected, and it was glorious.
Took the words from my mouth
Same
mhmmm
this entire video i was thinking "i think frisk killed those mfs." and then when i found out i was right, i was like "I FCKING KNEW IT."
Kinda fucked up that Sans tried to judge Frisk for something that monsters did to all the first 6 human souls that fell in :/
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based frisk
I think the main problem is that while Asgore felt horrible for the murders he had to commit to free his people, and truly lamented the loss of life, frisk just shrugged it off like it was nothing. I seriously doubt all seven of those people committed crimes that excused their murder, but frisk acts like its no big deal. Also, the way they blackmailed and manipulated sans isn't something a good person would do. It shows that frisk has definitely got some issues. Also also, the whole reason the monsters Needed 7 new souls was because frisk screwed up, and deprived the underground of its chance and its king. In self defense yes, but that makes their actions less heroism and more cleaning up there own mistake, and it speaks of a "I won't die for this cause, but I'll sacrifice others for it" mentality, and that mentality has been held by the most horrid people in history. That's why I personally sympathize with Asgore, but am suspicious of this Frisk. After all, if they could commit murder 7 times without regret, then what's to say they won't do it again the next time they feel it's neccesary?
Or better yet how Sans judges anyone and yet refuses to tell others about the resets... not only that but I'm pretty sure if someone were to kill his brother he'd be ready to go full bad time on them (of course Frisk still isn't entirely right for their actions but hey sometimes you gotta do the wrong thing for the right reason) oh and also would Frisk Lv have raised and if so how much do they have now?
@@dychen5777 good sir, have you played the game? (not an attack) The reason he doesn't tell anyone about the resets is because it doesn't matter if he does, since it will all just RESET and everyone will forget, including him. And while he is definitely angry when you kill his brother, he never fights you unless you kill literally EVERYONE, for the same reasons he doesn't tell about the resets, because in the end it will all just reset anyway, so why should he bother? (Also, if anyone were to kill MY little brother who is has done nothing wrong and I had the power to kill them and they wouldnt just come back in a reset, I'd do so without hesitation too, so I'm a little confused on your point.)
On the topic of frisk, I actually have a comment right above giving my reason as to why what she did was questionable no matter how you slice it.
the fact that frisk even blackmailed him to shut up by using his own question, "what will i do if i do have some sort of special power", she literally told him that even if he does say something she will shush him one way or another, until he gives up without harming him. That was literally the most passive agressive threat non threat ever sayed
Sans: I'm gonna tell on you
Frisk: Nuh uh
I agree with frisk if i was in that situation i would've done the same but more quitly as possible and make their deaths quick and painless as possible
i would only focus on quick and easy to hide deaths
@@fastone5874 Or try kill those who have nothing to lose anyway(Im neutral evil guy)
@Xavier Rivera If pierce brain or heart death should be pretty fast probably,which means somewhat less pain
If Frisk still has the power of reset, they could choose to give each evil human the same chance he gave the "evil" monsters.
@@arthurjeremypearson ture, but she wouldn't be able to get the souls
This is very much the definition of "Happy Ending" with a question mark at the end. Yes, the barrier is destroyed, monsterkind is free, and Frisk gets to reunite with everyone...but the price paid and the circumstances make one question if it was worth it and leaves Sans stuck in a lose-lose situation.
Sure, he keeps his mouth shut everyone is happy...but he's letting a murderer with a very questionable form of morality run free doing whatever they want. Who's to say this version of Frisk won't be willing to kill even more for the sake of their goals? After all, they killed seven members of their own kind while barely batting an eye, so who knows what else they're capable of? Plus, Frisk SAYS what they did was justified...but all we got is their word to go on. No actual proof right now.
And if he does reveal the truth, that's basically a whole other can of worms. Not only would that totally devastate everyone, it could lead to another war, or Frisk, as they implied, might just reset the whole timeline, making all this mean nothing.
It especially hurts for Sans as Frisk was once somebody he considered a dear friend....and now he's got to live with the knowledge they're a killer for the rest of his days.
Thing is
Frisk only did what needs to be done
Even if Frisk can be considered as Murder,then only to a same degree as Asgore is,and even then,Frisk by the way didnt kill any human with specifically good traits like Kindness or Justice which justifies their actions even more
So yeah,i like this Frisk because they arent crazed maniac,nor a truly pure-heartet person,they are just decent normal human being,with own goals in mind and wishes to fulfil but they arent going overboard to get what they want
Frisk helped millions of people to receive freedom by choosing to kill 7 humans, regardless of the harm done, its not like the monsters were any better, killing 6 humans and attempting to kill the 7th one is ok but the 7th kid doing the same thing and freeing the monsters suddenly makes it bad? Judging frisk in this position is kinda hypocritical. They successively did the same thing that the monsters tried to do
@@jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650 Welp,yeah,pretty much reasonable opinion
@@jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650They couldn't
There's also Chara now, so pulling out a Pacifist Clover and giving away their soul just wouldn't work
And even if Frisk can give away their soul when it's not down to 0 HP, that's not in character for them to do it
@@narrativeless404 never thought about it like that, i mean they would have to just let themselves killed for that, that sounds harsh, i stay the same, but i would understand the decision
Frisk: making the mother of all omeletts here, sans. Can't fret over every egg.
well damn.. I thought about this scenario my self a few times after getting the best neutral ending as well. Frisk essentially did what Chara wanted to do, kill seven humans and let the monsters use their souls to free the monsters.
Also great dubbing as always, keep up the good work!
The portrayal of Sans's character here is top notch. Everyone is portrayed nicely here, but Sans had a big role in this comic and it fits so well. Keeping quiet about all of the burdens of those around him, and quietly accepting all of the knowledge with a smile, a certain careless exterior until things get serious, the way he speaks to Frisk in a morally complex situation. It really feels like authentic Sans, down to the finest of details. Even the way he learns things, it's from a distance. The way he's standing outside the room when the final human passes and the way he's nothing more than a witness to Flowey becoming Asriel. Even the way Frisk and Flowey treat him fits so well for characters that understand him on a level that no one could naturally. The way Frisk knows Sans is creeping up on them before Sans reveals himself, and how there is no fear of him when he does it. Or the way Flowey picks Sans to see him break the barrier because he KNOWS Sans keeps quiet and has a lot of burdens he carries. It's a level of respect that really brings out their dynamic. They don't like each other due to a past, but they understand things about each other better than anyone else. It's endearing seeing Sans carry Flowey around, it just fits. Even down to the flaws in his character, the way he casts judgement. Frisk calling that out in the conversation between the two of them felt so powerful and gave me chills. I always thought Sans couldn't be blackmailed due to how observant and secretive he is, but this comic showed me that the people who REALLY understand him could do it so easily. This comic felt so canon for a storyline that's a bit out there. I loved every second of this!
A masterpiece that made me feel like I did when I first discovered Undertale. This feels like 2016 content with its writing.
“All the mercy in the world wouldn’t have opened that Barrier. You needed seven human souls. Someone had to do this.”
“you can’t seriously be arguing that you did this out of necessity-”
“Let me ask you something, Sans. Suppose I didn’t have any sort of ‘special power’. Suppose my battle with Undyne ended exactly like it had the first time around. When you all were done wiping my mangled corpse off the floor of Waterfall and delivering my soul in a jar to King Asgore, would you be giving him this same talk, asking how he could possibly live with being a murderer? Or if it was all really worth it?”
“…”
“As cruel and unfair as it sounds, no you wouldn’t. And not just because he was your king, either. It would hurt, but you’d accept it, because at the end of the day even you would have to admit that the freedom of the entire monster civilization was worth a whole lot more than one insignificant human life.”
“…insignificant? was that all those humans you killed were to you? insignificant lives?”
“I didn’t go kidnapping random people off the street, Sans. Those people had it coming- frankly, they won’t be missed. And like I said- you all needed human souls. I figured that if I could forgive all those monsters for killing me over and over when ultimately it was for a good cause, I could forgive myself for doing the same thing a few more times.”
“buddy, if the lesson you took from your time among monsterkind was that murder is okay as long as you think the ends justifies the means, then something seriously got lost in the messaging.”
“Yeah, well. Having your soul shattered 40-some times across the entire Underground kind of leaves that impression on a person.”
“…”
“Hey- if it makes you feel any better, it wasn’t like every single monster was out to get me. I know for sure Papyrus never killed me, even the couple of times he beat me. Captured me, sure, but he always showed mercy.”
“yeah, that’s papyrus for you. not the type to ever give up on that old fashioned notion of doing the right thing. even if it meant having the barrier to deal with.”
“…you know, if more people were as kind as you and your brother, I seriously doubt there ever would have been a Barrier in the first place."
Damn 🍿
I really like this take on Frisk. We don't know what kind of person they are, really, since we're controlling them 99% of the time. All we know is that they have an incredible amount of determination, and they're a lot like Chara, someone who also thought the ends justified the means. If you don't take them down the right path, this might be who they grow up to become
Frisk isn't just a lot like Chara, they are both in it as well: Frisk is the soul, Chara is soulless DT parasite
Dang that ending was messed up. Frisk at least could've felt a little bad about it but said it needed to be done. And man when they then pretty much blackmailed Sans into not telling anyone, man like I def like nice pacifist frisk better. Or neutral Frisk but more in a way like they would've killed those humans but still felt bad and said they needed to to free everyone and that Sans shouldn't tell anyone cause yeah it'd make things worse like they said in this but just in a less blackmail-y way. Still and amazing comic though and amazing dub, so good
I don't think she black mailed sans. I think she threatened or intimidated sans.
This was one messed up comic, the moment I saw that bodies were being dumped into the underground I already had my suspicions.
@@Rubyshc bro same
@Ray Sharrow Frisk targeted all the bad people,and pretty much Sans really doesnt have any right to judge Frisk about their actions right now,lol
Im honestly not sure if he even should care about other human's lives anyway,but at very least i can for sure say that he isnt that much leans to fanon
I had a stroke reading this
Just as Sans, I have no words.
What can I say in this... ?
The only thing Sans could do would break the whole chain of links in relations and events.
We can only try to disregard the truth... But it will always pain our stomach knowing what it cost and how cold blooded Frisk even mentioned their actions...
Frisk did the same stuff that the monsters tried to do. Theres no reason to judge. And why snitch? They literally helped monsters to exit the underground, and the only thing you can think of doing is screwing the Saviors relationships over? Like, frisk is kinda right even through they were a bit manipulative over it. Toriel lost her entire family and the human children, and one day she finally reunites with frisk. If she were to find out, she would feel truly horrible. And papyrus's was close friends with frisk, he may forgive them if they did it for the monsters. But he was hesitant over the idea of undyne killing frisk, so it depends. You could argue that this action is actually good because then everyone would praise frisk by being bold and saving the underground, but thats another topic.
Frisk isnt exactly cold blooded in this situation, after all, if they truly were cold blooded, why would they care enough about monsterkind to actually kill 7 humans for the sake of over 12000 people? They had good intentions and genuinely cared about monsterkind.
@@dylanzlol7293
This and that are not the question.
The bad thing is, they murdered 7 humans.
Humans aren't one dimensionnal, they could change, redeem themselves.
Or litterally the opposite, they could snap and go completelly nuts.
But saying that Frisk has the right to decide the fate over people who did dispicable act is trully immoral.
Sans knows this.
You cannot choose the fate of other people because of your own judgement.
You can however try to stop them when they happen to threaten to destroy the whole world.
Like heroes.
or Sans.
But beeing okay with someone who just murdered people who happened to do bad things just for having done those, for a greater purpose but not giving a crap about what they did, is absolutelly horrid.
Those people could have turned themselves around.
They could even achieve greater purposes too.
But will never know, because a random child with a pocket knife manage to somehow end their fate and forget about them like bugs.
@@Tenshi04Akuma maybe not, like, the monsters were doing the same for freedom, and frisk helped them get that freedom. The thing is: frisk got like thousands of monsters to the surface by killing 7 humans, basically the trolley situation (that one with the rails and the people tied to the rails and stuff)
Maybe frisk doesnt have the right to choose the fate of some criminals, but like, 7 humans would have been murdered to free the underground anyways, frisk chose to speed up the process. Its not like frisk killed some random guys without any particular reason. Immoral or not, frisk had good intentions, they wanted to help the underground, and they did.
@@dylanzlol7293 Uh-huh. That still d8esn't justify their actions as they clearly know here that they have the RESET ability. They knew they could do better and still did this. It creeps me out.
@@dylanzlol7293 Monsters would justify Frisk's actions, but Humans would declare another war, which will end with one-sided genocide from Frisk/Chara, until either Humans agree to stop that, or Frisk kills all of them, then either Monsters take over the Surface, or they RESET and try again
Neutral lawful: Frisk plays Foundation and coordinates with the government to hand him death row inmates
Even 1 year later “Because you have the heaviest mouth.” is such a solid line. Like HOLY hell, that still gives me chills.
Frisk downloaded the Eren Yeager update into his programming, and we got this as a result. The ends justify the means, right? Right?
Awesome dubbing as always. ❤️
Nah, not yet. It would be more fitting if after the monsters are freed from the Underground, humans don't accept them and fight against them (because of discrimination or whatever) and Frisk decided to pull out some human extermination stuff by, well, maybe feeding Flowey 7 human souls and tell him to destroy everything.
By killing all the humans, monsters can take all the land and live happily.
@@angtamnguyen8390 still a bad ending, there isn't nearly as many monsters as there are humans, nuclear power plants would melt down, humans might also decide to launch their nuclear arsenals in a last ditch "if we can't have it, no one can" Scenario. No one would win realistically.
Eren, whispering into Frisk's ear: "Kill people and throw them down the hole so that monsters can have the souls needed to get out. And then get the lazy skeleton to kill all the Titans."
@@anexplosion5436 good luck getting sans to do that lol.
@@yeetneet5334 Well considering how the Titans work... they'd probably have a Level Of ViolEnce far above 20.
8:39 - 8:50 GAVE ME CHILLS LITERAL CHILLS and don't even get me started on the blackmail, like DaMn Frisk is super cold hearted. It was like they had justified their actions and ran with it. It was to save their friends..it was..good in the end. The neutral route paints all the good in this a sickly color and I am soo interested in that. Plus the voice acting made it 10x better, I love the emotions portrayed and how sinister Frisk sounds and how helpless sans sounds. Top quality I did NOT deserve
Some things you mentioned here really resonate with me as a person.
I've been going into psychology (both on the personal and socioeconomical level) and the Neutral route is the most realistic to what would likely happen in real life if your average joe fell into the underground.
It's in human nature to fear what we do not understand - to a certain extent. By the events of Undertale it's implied a vast amount of time has expired since the "great war" of the intro flashback. Humans may have mostly forgotten about monsters and/or magic - think of if ancient mythos suddenly came to life one day IRL. Considering the monsters wished to murder humans for their souls, your average person would likely respond to such violence in kind: whether or not they would kill an individual is less likely, but considering that humans are depicted as physically superior, an accidental killing is likely, similar to tragic accidents in our world but easier to occur. ESPECIALLY when a person's life is at risk, murder in self-defense is something I could expect given the circumstance. Also, considering the differentiation in race and racial traits, it's easy for the average person to distance themselves from the violence. There are many examples in modern and pre-modern america but across the globe; rome and other historic factions destroying huge quantities of life. "They're not like me" would be an easy excuse to shelter the mind compared to the same scenario with humans instead of monsters.
The Neutral route, out of them all, is shockingly realistic to what would happen in our world, and most of its facets have a real-world counterpart. Asgore's call to war over a lost child, Toriel's obsessive guardianship, and even Flowey's power grab in the end of the Pacifist route - at least in terms of mentality are aspects the people of our world experience each day. Assuming frisk is 100% a/the murderer in this comic, their actions aren't entire unjust: are 6-7 human lives worth the lives of an entire species?
What a comic and game - to neglect the safety of convention and dare to ask, "why are we just, and what extent makes it unjust?"
The BEST Neutral route ending so far, I mean...
Frisk isn't trying to be manipulative, she's honestly and genuinely thinking about the wellbeing of others. She killed those humans inorder to SAVE the people which gave HER a happy ending. You cannot justify murder, but you can understand their reasoning.
"And who are you to judge me, sans?"
His job is literally to judge people.
AUs like this are so much more imaginative than "make these characters switch places" or "make it edgy, rawr" or "give sans a different outfit and new powers".
This isn’t an AU
@@ZinsGameplay15001 im counting fan alternate timelines as AUs.
@@OmegaChase1002 oh.
Frisk says that all the people she killed were bad, but then why were there 2 souls with the Justice attribute... Maybe police officers who discovered her?
Justice is very easy to corrupt, very easy to twist into revenge and retribution.
@@morgan4574alright then explain the three patient souls and bravery and integrity also for all we know souls can’t be tainted like that
@@guycrew3973 first of all what does patient souls have to do with this thoose are very easily corupted for example being patient so you can rob a bank, bravery, being brave enough to commit crimes and intregity well that was probably just the normal intregity soul colected by the monsters
bravery and patience can easily be used for evil, brave against the forces of good and patience to get the kill
They say yellow is the color is justi--
They're a slightly calmer version of Kira from Death Note: judging other humans to be criminals, but not lashing out at the one that calls them evil. That's the difference between this version of Frisk and Light Yagami.
This is an interesting concept because like, they can only judge Frisk in terms of them willing to kill their own kind. But really, a handful of them are guilty for either killing a human, or in some instances, far worse to their own kind. Either way, in this instance, the manner at which they were freed wasn't any less bloody.
Only asgore killed the humans
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj Except all those times we died to other monsters
@@danielgonzalez-vm5lj Remnants of their clothes are found throughout the Underground. Asgore I believe killed at least one child, but due to his cowardice, left the rest for other monsters. A possible good way to tell how far a child got is where their clothes are left throughout the mountain's environments.
Regardless, the practice of hunting and killing humans was made a cultural law, and due to our obvious experiences in the Underground, carried out willingly for the most part, especially for it's law enforcement. It was even viewed as an honorable thing to do enough for Undyne to glorify the thought of it.
This unfortunately included human children, who seem (according to lore so far) to be of equal power and has the same potential of destruction as a adult human, except a bit more unstable due to being so young and their abilities depending on their emotional state.
"who are you to judge me, sans?"
...a judge
_Frisk, if they were a long lost relative of Light Yagami-_
Really tho, I feel like this is just a Frisk who was more similar to Chara than other takes. You don't climb a mountain where people go missing unless you have nothing to lose. And humans kinda suck sometimes.
This Frisk had given up on humanity, just like Chara had... And unlike an in-game neutral ending, Frisk came up with a plan to free the monsters themselves, before Flowey could (unknowingly) set them on the path to True Pacifist.
Their motivations were good, but they did something horrible because of it...Bittersweet...
(Also, not enough people pointing this out, love the detail of Flowey only letting Sans look because he knows Sans will 1) understand what he's looking at and 2) keep his mouth shut, so Toriel doesn't have to know about her Flower Son in less than ideal circumstances.)
frisk does act like light in this holy shit lmao
In a way, if toriel found out, although she would be shocked, she wouldnt be able to fully be mad at frisk without being a hypocrite. It was her idea in the first place to go to the surface to gather all the souls needed, and asgore said no. So technically frisk did what toriel wanted in the past? Correct me if im wrong
Pretty sure Toriel was against killing humans... soo yea not sure where you got that information from
@@dychen5777 she says it when she scolds Asgore before the asriel fight for waiting for humans to fall instead of going to the surface to quicken the process of gathering souls.
Papyrus would quickly forgive frisk, undyne would be like "well, i DID try to kill you earlier, so cant judge you over it.", actually, everyone would praise frisk because they were bold enough to do this decision AND because they are monsterkind's savior. In fact, i dont think canon sans would even care. He would probably say "welp, can't say you're truly innocent, you did receive some exp after all. But hey, you did this for us, so i cant really blame ya. after all, even our close buddies were guilty of attempted murder, right? and, if your word is anything to go by, those guys may not have been kind either. anyhow, see ya later, i guess."
“that damn kid”
FRISK WHAT THE HELL? IK I WANT TO FREE THEM TOO, BUT NOT THAT WAY?!
Sans: “A-“
Flowey and Frisk: “Shut your mouth you mediocre comedian.”
Sans: “Mediocre…?”
Damn, that's deep. Very nice voice-acting!!
Frisk being like Zero from Code Geass... Magnificent.
Damn frisk thought of EVERYTHING. I don’t even wanna know how many times they reset to know that much about sans.
Interesting that asgore got every colour of soul just happening to drop down into the underground.....
as seen in this comic, the souls are random. so it really intrigues me that 6 children of different coloured souls just happened to fall into the underground..... like, what are the chances?
Gotta catch ‘em all
If Sans were to tell people, I wish Frisk took an alternate path to not throw those humans.
For once, Frisk could've just spoken with people on death trial and gotten them to sign their SOUL to be shipped underground. If not all agreed, eventually seven would.
And how would the SOULs descend? Simple.
Something with enough air resistance could've made it down without breaking, leaving the SOUL in a container at the flowerbed.
I bet no one would've complained about that.
People willingly dying, then their soul serving to break injustice made by humans who sealed the barrier.
Not even that comedian would complain.
genius
Pretty sure it wouldn't work I mean why would the humans put thier trust in Frisk in fact there was a horrortale comic with a theory that Frisk was put into an Asylum due to thier "Hallucinations" yet look how that went so it makes sense why it had to be secret
Couldn't frisk just ask for the souls of people already dying? Bruhh
@NoMercy Megalo comic name please?
@@sleekyissleepy it is axetale
I genuinely hope there is more to this comic as in my mind a further story can be told by asking a few questions about many things.
Neutral has the MOST VARIED ENDINGS or options as it’s an in betweener and open ended even than genocide and pacifist now looking back
Indeed. Which is why I believe there must be a way to revive Chara's spirit. I just hope they won't have to become monsters (I know they return in Genocide, but I don't want to conclude the route, only to wake them up, and then have them carry over into the next loops, awake and with a new chance at life).
I'll be very honest. The Neutral endings feel more fulfilling to me than "Pacifist" ever could, because the unknown provides hope and faith. Hope and faith that Flowey eventually gains enough hearts to regain his form, and that Monsters acquire freedom on their own terms (or with my help, if a few humans suddenly just disappear).
@@JabamiLainkinda funny now looking back my AU (no offense to popular AUs) they mainly are based in Genocide timelines as templates or GENOCIDE route version despite the AU can be open to alot of routes of the mc. So my AU is base in Neutral/Pacifist routes [base on my AU]
Won’t spoil much since that AU draft of mine coincidently already manifest in Deltarune of my desire yet not close enough. So I continue and now my AU evolve into a Deltarune/Undertale AU
Still mainly Undertale yet the vibe is a mix of both and the timeline lacks genocide so. My Sans , other undertale cast (which btw Sans isn’t they mc of my AU) yet one of my iconic draft illustrations.
Supposedly nice you commented because my personal playthrough is both neutral and pacifist and NGL I love taking my time with the dialogue of NPCS besides main cast
I'm honestly surprised and happy the undertale fandoms still going
...Yikes. This is horribly disturbing.
I love it.
This makes frisk seem like the player who would do anything to find the other endings
when the patience human died i was SHOCKED
10:23 A whole ass SWAT TEAM comes out of the forest. “And you’ll be celebrating this new beginning as a prisoner in a maximum-security prison.
I've been looking for a post genocide ending one I think. I don't what its called but it was an animation of the human going crazy on the surface world killing everything in sight.
There must be a way to revive Chara's spirit. I just hope they won't have to become the way you describe in your comment (I know they return in Genocide, but I don't want to conclude the route, only to wake them up, and then have them carry over into the next loops, awake and with a new chance at life).
I'll be very honest. The Neutral endings feel more fulfilling to me than "Pacifist" ever could, because the unknown provides hope and faith. Hope and faith that Flowey eventually gains enough hearts to regain his form, and that Monsters acquire freedom on their own terms (or with my help, if a few humans suddenly just disappear).
*sans just sitting there keeping the secrets of not one by **_two_** murderers*
I would have loved it if the souls took control of Flowey and went on to seek revenge on Frisk.
Also, to answer to Frisk's question: he's no one. Hes someone who told you jokes. Hes someone who observed you. He's the best witness and judge of your character.
Asshles always try to hide behind something greater, to disguise and alienate their own intentions for the rest of the world. To make it seem like you can't judge them and their flawed, hypocritical standing. But that's a lie. The simpler the answer, you are a murderer, the better it is to cut away the bs. So it was in ancient greece with the furies
By that logic then same goes for Asgore and same most likely goes for Undyne too
Maybe Sans but we never know much about those lazybones anyway so cant assume really
Frisk killed 7 humans to save the monsters, they arent a complete asshole over doing this. They cared about the monsters enough to save them. Also, all of monsterkind tried to do the same thing anyways, judging frisk for having the balls to do the dirty job for the monsters but monsters get away with it? Hmm.
@@dylanzlol7293 I mean, Monsters did it out of desperation, they were not even evil.
Besides the only two we know that canonically killed at least a human is Asgore and Toriel, cause you know, they were in war.
Frisk's case is, they are trying to justify taking the lives by themselves cause those peoples were criminals.
They could've took human souls from graveyards or hospitals If they really wanted to get it done.
This is so fascinating to me, Frisk obviously still cares about monsterkind and is sympathetic towards their (now former) plight. But they also seem very, detached and cold. To them the ends justify the means and furthermore I can imagine what the kind of power granted by their level of determination would do to a person.
I've seen this comic dub like 2 years ago, glad to see it's finished
1:21 funny how Frisk said the humans they killed where evil and some souls have justice and bravery souls (justice could be humans that killed for regevenge but the other ones are kinda off...)
bravery means it was a coold blooded killer justice could have been a corrupt police who helped criminals
Or frisk was caught and killed him to cover it up
I love neutral Chara, this personality fit's her so well!
There's probably already an anime about this exact concept, but seriously, if we ever get an official Undertale movie or series, I don't want it to be about the game, I want this. This could be an amazing thriller/whodunnit. 2 hours to 12/24 episodes of Sans trying to get Frisk to pay for their crimes without ruining everything? A UT series is like the lesser Half Life 3 of the Indie Game fandom.
0:55
He knew...
And you too...
And the soul colors: patience, bravery, perseverance, justice...
Those can be considered evil virtues too (even justice, if it's blind and wielded by a ruthless principles's zealot)
I saw the first part of this comic dubbed but I didn't know it had more pages, this is amazing! You did a truly good job voicing it, the conversation between Frisk and Sans just gave me the chills.
I mean sans is the judge so he CAN and will judge you for your sins
True, but Frisk sorta has a point, true, what they did is literaly fucked up, no if, and, or buts about it. However, if the whole world finds out about these murders, things are just gonna get worse at the end of the day. Ofcourse I don’t aproove Frisk’s actions here in any way, nor am I defending there actions. However, those humen did not deserve this fate, criminals or not. Sure, there could be exceptions. But that would be a little complicated. Wait, now that I think about it, Did Frisk even knew what crimes those humen did exactly? Sure, they mentioned some had a criminal record, but what about those that didn’t. Then again, for all we know Frisk could had been lying. But Sans didn’t point it out.
@@flaremawile726 yeah you never know when a murderer lies or not since its very easy for them but I wunder dose frisk even have the power of reset in the underground?
@@sapphirebjoern5935 Well...they mentioned the special power, I supossed is the power of Reset...though, is questionable if they can only reset in hte underground.
@@flaremawile726 well hopefully not I mean we see what Frisk is capeble of so yeah a genocide run is most likely or for all we know they already did a genecide run and has already seen everything what I am saying is Frisk peobebly sees them as Toys for them as a form of amusmend.
@@sapphirebjoern5935 Perhaps
Oh my gosh you doing comic dubs of undertale comics is making me nostalgic
post-neutral where undyne becomes queen 80% of time ends as horror-tale after a certain period of time
remember what happens after neutral - even assuming only asgore was taken out, the souls are still gone, and after that undyne can either - wait for a soul and go and hunt the rest, which will likely lead to death of monsters as humans main export has been and is death, and the story ends, or wait and over time become a tyrant of the underground going insane while waiting for souls
that's my personal theory though
Finally A Neutral Post Ending
I hope this will get a reaction
alternate dialogue
Sans: I'm the literal judge and possible executioner
Watching Asriel break the barrier made me shiver for some reason
First, I think the reason why you never answer in the neutral run is because you're stuck in the barrier. Flowey destroys Asgore's soul, and he doesn't have one himself, so you literally don't have the power to cross the barrier on your own.
Second, I think people forget this because of Goatmom's Mandela effect, but *Toriel* was the one who suggested using the first soul to cross through the barrier and kill 6 more humans. She literally chastised Asgore for NOT being more proactive in the Soul hunt. She's not nearly as kind nor pacifistic as people like to think of her. She only cares for humans that have specifically fallen under her care, as she presumably projects Chara and/or Asriel onto them.
Third, Sans has totally killed people before. He explicitly notes that you'd be dead where you stood if he hadn't made a promise earlier on, and we know Sans can generally back up his threats. Sans also doesn't exactly chastise you for killing people unless you kill his brother specifically, and even then he'll let you go free unless you are in a full genocide run and start advancing on him specifically.
So yes, the ends totally justify the means here. Killing 7 rando human beings is but a speck when compared to the eons of suffering that humanity as a whole has forced monsterkind to endure. Enjoy your freedom, Sans.
If he killed before why does he only have 1hp?
I've read this comic maybe twice. It surprisingly has a good dark twist.
That manipulation at the end was just cruel…
Loved this comic! Although, is it just me, or did the voice actor for Undyne change?
On a different note, to those who think that frisk was in the right, or that sans is being a hypocrite, or that Asgore did the same thing, this is addressed to you.I think the main problem is that while Asgore felt horrible for the murders he had to commit to free his people, and truly lamented the loss of life, frisk just shrugged it off like it was nothing. I seriously doubt all seven of those people committed crimes that excused their murder, but frisk acts like its no big deal. Also, the way they blackmailed and manipulated sans isn't something a good person would do. It shows that frisk has definitely got some issues. Also also, the whole reason the monsters Needed 7 new souls was because frisk screwed up, and deprived the underground of its chance and its king. In self defense yes, but that makes their actions less heroism and more cleaning up there own mistake, and it speaks of a "I won't die for this cause, but I'll sacrifice others for it" mentality, and that mentality has been held by the most horrid people in history. That's why I personally sympathize with Asgore, but am suspicious of this Frisk. After all, if they could commit murder 7 times without regret, then what's to say they won't do it again the next time they feel it's necessary?
(Also, another comment reminded me of this fact, there were probably far more morally except-able ways of getting souls to the monsters, like asking those who are dying if they would like to donate their souls, and probably other things that I'm to tired to think of. Might've taken longer, but i think the monsters could wait another year or 2 if it meant no more blood was being spilled)
Also asgore said something stupid in anger......and it gave his people hope, and he is a king.
He can't take his words back the you or I can.
Frisk wasn't blackmailing (frisk wasn't threatening to tell hidden information on sans) or manipulating (maybe a little but it looed more like calling his bluff, he wasn't going to tell it was only a threat and Frisk spelled ou twhy his threat was cheap), frisk was telling sans what would happen if he spilled the beans..frisk was trying to protect everyone else as they knew it'd hurt everyone if they knew; they killed to set everyone free..they are being good (they aren't evil or anything) just not the typical goody goody everyone would want.
There's also a difference between asgore's murders and frisks! Asgore felt bad because they were innocent children being killed, Frisk killed bad people..it's harder to feel guilty when you're killing evil people for a good cause; Asgore only felt bad for what he was doing because they were innocent children, not because he was killing necessarily (and toriel only left him when he killed innocents, she was with him during the war, which also says something).
Also, whilst it may not show I doubt Frisk has 0 guilt or remorse for what they did..they were just able to move past it easier.
@@testerwulf3357 This Frisk can't be taken seriously about killing criminals.
Sure maybe the patience ones could be taken as someone that waits for the moment to commit a crime. Perseverance could mean someone that does bad things and keep doing it
But we can see at least 2 justice + 1 brave soul which should be behind kindness in good.
@@creepymaster2746 justice can be corruption/vengeance (a good example of this is undertale yellow genocide route!), bravery is not necessarily an inherently 'good' trait (with the only inherently 'good' trait being kindness [even integrity souls can be morally questionable, it's more about sticking to one's own morals than necessarily 'doing the right thing'], but even then a kindness soul could be kind and delusional, causing them to maybe commit crimes while abusing substances, for example? idk-) and could actually be very similar to perseverance souls in the nature of motivations. i honestly always saw bravery souls as either impulsive, extroverted people or people who suffered through a lot in life but kept their heads up and remained fearless (but then again, the latter could also just end up become perseverance souls instead).
but yeah, i see patience as the true criminal masterminds out of all 7 soul traits. determination souls can be ruthless if it's to get their goal (like we see with frisk in this comic), bravery souls have probably pulled the craziest mastermind plans, justice souls get the best revenge, kindness souls are usually just mentally ill and not bad on purpose (because c'mon, they're kindness souls!), integrity souls are like criminals/assassins with moral codes (these ones are more likely to be hitmen who don't go after children, for example), and perseverance souls are stubborn af, but maybe not quite as ruthless with their goals as determined ones. still, i think patience souls are the best criminal masterminds because it's usually a lack of patience that brings intelligent criminal masterminds down.
Also 2 of those humans had yellow souls
“I was always the clumsy one in my family”
WTF,does that mean?!!,why is a Frisk who seemingly didn’t kill anyone(except maybe Asgore)so used to violence?Is Frisks family a bunch of assassins,criminals,murders?Was Frisk originally sent down to the underground to kill the monsters but became fond of them?Or is this a Frisk post a genocide run,who cant get a true pacifist ending and went with this as the best alternative?This comic has so many unanswered questions and I need answers!!!
According to Frisk all the people they killed were bad, so they felt no remorse killing the people. I feel like their reasoning was "these people are disgusting. They deserve to die"
This was done really well! I love how much hard work you guys put into making your videos! I'm saying this as a friend you guys are amazing! 🤗
FREAKIN YES
THIS IS WHAT I CALL GOLDEN AGE OF UNDERTALE COMMUNITY !
And i like this Frisk,they are kind,and they do what they think is right,even if is someone will think its not justified
Like... damn,this is just beginning,but im already in love with this comic,lol XD
The neutral route in Undertale always had a special place in my heart because it was how I first played Undertale
Huh...who knew frisk was an expert blacmailer?
I love how asriel made another deal that was to kill humans and steal their souls....also the motief of sans keeping his mouth shut is amazing.
This was amazing actually. I feel this would be way out of character for Frisk to do... But perfectly in character for spr_mainchara to do! In a timeline where there was never a second Anomaly (the player), mainchara would have had to do all that themselves. Even if I feel the Anomaly would have done that instead, this is an amazing take. That kind of up-front dialogue is something I don't think we would have ever seen in Deltarune hadn't released before. Very interesting comic, a real highlight. First one I read in months. On to the next one.
1:45 calling it now, we dumped those bodies.
Why did I immediately think frisk was the one who threw the bodies under the mountain.
Edit: to my not so surprise, it actually is Frisk
I still think that frisk was in the right here. Toriel literally suggested to asgore to come to the surface and kill 6 people for the better of monster kind, so it’s not that bad for frisk to do the same +1. Even better if she wasn’t lying about the criminal records that means she went out of her way to cause the least damage to the world she could while doing this.
Ah yes - the classic "Doing bad things for the right purpose." I belive the term is Anti-hero, kinda.
And that is the reason why you don't have nice things frisk you keep killing people so stop doing that and stop gaslight sans
Less gas lighting and more black mailing
Murder annnnnndddddd blackmail dang Frisk now you godda history
I really love the idea of frisk having kill to save monsters! 💕💕💖
I was wondering which ending this was gonna be about. I would love a queen Alphys comic
Neutral Frisk is more terrifying than I expected
That took a dark turn… couldn’t Frisk just made human friends and get them to help break the barrier? Love this twisted take tho, it’s super interesting
That’s true, but this is also the neutral route. That kinda sounds like something pacifist Frisk would do, you know? As mentioned in other comments, neutral Frisk see’s a problem and finds a solution even if it means doing something bad to solve it.
9:40
*Clumsy calculating murderer achivement*
Toriel's kids keep being murderers.