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Astra 300 - A Pocket Pistol Bought Mostly By Germany
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The Astra 300 was introduced in 1923, copying the layout, mechanics, and handling of the Astra 400 military pistol in a much more convenient pocket size. It was made in both .32 ACP (7.65mm Browning) and .380 (9mm Kurz), with a magazine capacity of 7 and 6 rounds respectively. More than 150,000 were made in total, as the gun was quite popular with various military and security agencies in Spain. The majority of production, however, went to Germany between 1941 and 1944. They purchased 63,000 Astra 300s in .380 caliber and another 22,390 of then in .32 caliber. Most of the .380s did receive waffenamt markings (WaA251), although not all of them. Production ended in 1945, with the gun being replaced by the improved Model 3000 in 1946.
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In Spain there's not a huge gun culture (mostly fear). I love that there are channels like this that take the time and make the effort to research and teach us our own history
rokorokero even if you're not into firearms it's important to understand the effects your countries manufacturing and innovation had on the world.
Agreed, i don't even own any guns nor even support unnecessary conflict. Sadly there's times when some people just don't even want to understand others and aggressive intervention is the only way left.
I do however appreciate the engineering and technology of firearms, and now thanks to Ian i can appreciate their history too!
Yes, absolutely. I don't believe in this idea of firearms (or any other thing, in fact) as "killing machines". Sometimes they are, saldy, used for that, but so are hammers, cars, ropes... Even the human body. To me firearms are beautiful pieces of engineering and, usually, historical artifacts that tell us about how the world has come to be the way it is nowadays.
It's always sad to see how some people try to sweep under the carpet part of the history of a country out of shame, fear, political interest, ignorance...
In any case, fortunately, here's Ian to save the day
@@rokorokero I don't think its out of fear, but out of experience. Last time spanish people had easy access to hand guns we were shooting each other on the back of the head.
@@Rammarkostein El cainismo español
Sit down with a coffee, and a forgotten weapons video pops up.
10 happy minutes!
This is an integral part of my morning routine.
IKR! Gun Jesus is the reason to log on.
Now THIS is E P I C
Astra 300 AKA "el purito" (the cigarette).
Thrashgu I Shouldnt it be "cigar"?
Viacheslav Rakhmalov little cigar to be exact.
jose el empecinao Esa es, olvidé el diminutivo
"El Puro" era el modelo 400, esta al ser más pequeña le pusieron de sobrenombre "Purito"
@@joseelempecinao89 sea "pipa o purito,parecese que echar ,écha humo! jajj ,ok
I've still got one of these. I've got an Astra collection of sorts... A 400, a 600, the 300, and one that's a convertible 300 between .32 ACP and .380 ACP. Forget what they called that one... but they are pretty rare. Got several Astra revolvers and an Astra 900. Always felt Spanish guns and gun designs were under appreciated by the masses along with French designs and such. A fair bit of modern classic gun concepts and designs can easily be traced back to Spanish and/or French work.
This gun is also known in Spain as "purito" or little cigar . The larger 400 is know as "puro" (cigar)
Yeah true story and the favourite for the combat pilots
I love the old Astra pocket pistols
German soldier: “did you do this?”
Picasso: “ No, you did this.”
P.Piccaso painted "Gernika" but it a lie,because he make it about the death of a "matador" who was his friend,later "La 2ª República" buy the picture called Gernika (I dont know speak english,Im sorry)
Worth mentioning is the way the slide and frame are made from solid all forged and machined steel, just like the model 400 and 600. The time it must have taken to machine these parts is amazing by today's standards.
Had several WW2 era Astra pistols. They are excellent little guns.
I assume that the fact you no longer link directly to the RIA page is a necessary sop to the vague, unclear and arbitrary restrictions implemented by UA-cam, like the ones that temporarily deleted BotR's channel?
Probably the case, better to give UA-cam as little leverage as possible.
Correct.
I figured as much. Oh well. It is easy enough for us to find Rock Island’s page through our preferred search engine, if necessary.
Just became a patreon supporter, keep up the good work, Ian!
Good presentation by Ian, as always!
Thanks for another great video, Ian!
Thanks for these informations, Ian. Big hug from Spain.
Woohooo a forgotten weapons video! Great way to start the day
Indeed, what an "adorable" little pistol, neat!
Wait, you're not spef.
The Astra 300 & 600 pistols were not that rare in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s between thiefs, drug dealers and such; the 300 was common between old retired members of the Guardia Civil as was a small and light enough pistol in comparison with their Star B, or Star BM that later on became their service weapon replacing this much older ones, Some Star B and BM are still in service on the Guardia Civil and even, in small number, on the Policía Nacional.
During 1960’s up to the late 1980’s they were commonly found in gun shops In the eastern US, in some cases they were labeled as one of the “Saturday Night Specials” as an inexpensive alternative (as they weren’t a high status pocket pistol such as a Walther or Mauser or Colt) and far more common than something like an FN or other pistol) as not all Saturday Night Specials were cheap revolvers. In recent years, it seems as the supply of these and the Astra 400 have dried up. I wonder where they all are?
In peoples collections likely.
Andre Krumins, yeah, well maybe, but in the US, collections especially for somewhat odd handguns tend to have a LOT of change. In over 40 years of collecting and seeing how firearms change hands it’s just strange how thing come and go. For example! I’ve been looking for a real good Mauser HSC for over 25 years at a good price. Checking web auctions and watching gun shops in 4 states, they’ve been rare up until the last 18 months - now I’ve seen like 15-16 in the SE US, of course prices are pretty high.
I wonder how things like Forgotten Weapons prompt people to go get Grandpop’s old pistol he brought back from WWII and sell that old Astra?
I HAVE A ASTRA 300,FROM 1935,IN MY HOUSE IN TIJUANA,READING THAT WAS COMMON TO FIND IT IN AMERICA BACK THEN,I DOUBT IF MINE CAME FROM AMERICA OR WITH THE SPANISH REFUGEES DURING THE CIVIL WAR OR THE REGIME....I PAY IN 2001 AROUND 180 BUCKS,REALLY SMALL GOOD TO MAKE RUN THE THIEFS
On all Astra pistols with the design like the 400 you have here, if you cock the gun, then take the mag out and set the safety on, the barrel is in the perfect position to remove the slide and replace the slide. No need to hold the slide back on re-assembly and try and find the exact point where the barrel can be rotated back into the proper position for the slide to work and close the slide. And yes I am a Master Gunsmith and have been one for 52 years. Love your channel.
When disassembling and assembling you line up the mark on the right side of the frame with the mark on the right side of the slide. It make things a lot easier.
Little known fact, the original designer of the Astra 300 also worked on the Spud Gun.
I mean they do look rather similar.
The 380 version looks like the red toy spud guns you see in toy shops haha
Matthew WH not sure, I’m in Australia, pretty sure you can still buy them here.
My exact first though
If you look alongside the right side of the frame and slide you will find two small vertical notches. It just so happens when these notches are lined up the slide will be in the perfect position to rotate the barrel.
Yeah, I have an Astra 300 my father brought back from WWII. He also brought back 2 Lugers but traded them off in the New York Harbor while still waiting to disembark because he wasn't comfortable with the "Hair Trigger" on the Lugers. BTW, the Astra features a clean breaking single action trigger with a weight at break of 11.0 lbs and that was just peachy for my father.
Like many others, I have one of the 300s in 7.65mm Browning. Not only is it reliable and well made, but is heavy enough to be deployed as brass knuckles or a club. As you said, after the war (2) the pistol was revised as the 3000 and I am fascinated by the Falcon (4000). But only in 7.65mm.
Good video as usual.
As always, a very well researched and informative video. However, in this particular instance, I must point out a historical inaccuracy: regarding the Spanish Civil War, the loyalists were, in fact, the Republicans, and not the Nationalists. Indeed, the war started precisely with a military uprising by some army units, which were reinforced by the Franco-led colonial units brought to continental Spain from Morocco (by no other than German-operated planes). Hope you don't mind my well-intended correction, Ian. Hope you keep up the excellent work.
Alexandre Velhinho Was going to make the same comment. Ian, I love you and your work a lot, but as a Spaniard I almost hissed. If you had said that in public in Spain, you would start a riot.
It was also somewhat disappointing that Ian kind of skipped over the part that makes the bombing of Guernica even more noteworthy; that it was done on behalf of Franco by Hitler and Mussolini.
Counter-correction! The italians also helped transport the troops in Morocco to the peninsula, but the bulk of the Army was actually transported by sea; the so-called "Convoy de la Victoria" (the Convoy of Victory).
Los "republicanos", golpistas y comunistas revolucionarios JAMAS pueden ser, por definición, ni leales ni nacionales. Cae por su propio peso. Son siervos de la internacional comunista y demás engendros de la alta banca internacional con sede en Nueva York.Son todos revolucionarios y destructores de naciones. Los nacionales SI que eran leales a la nación, como su propio nombre indica. Y ganaron la guerra con todo en contra precisamente, porque la mayoría de españoles captaron rápidamente quiénes eran los verdaderos "loyalists" La guerra empezó cuando la situación de caos, crímenes, traición, golpes, revoluciones frustradas, asesinatos, quema de iglesias y conventos, terror , checas y otras cortesías de los "demócratas" se hizo insostenible y los españoles reaccionaron. Técnicamente la guerra no fue realmente una guerra civil, sino una cruzada (así la consideró la Iglesia Católica oficialmente) Y no podía ser una guerra civil desde el momento en que un bando no lucha por España sino por otra cosa. Pero el cáncer jamás se ha ido de casa... ni de España ni del resto de países. Alerta...
Marina Pino Los republicanos eran fervientemente anticomunistas. Tanto es así que se esforzaron en aplastar las colectividades construídas por los anarquistas. Su alianza con la URSS era puramente circunstancial.
En realidad, yo diría que fueron más bien los "nacionales" los destructores de naciones: arrasaron con cualquier identidad nacional que no fuese la española; la gallega, la catalana, la asturleonesa, la portuguesa en Olivença, etc.
La guerra empezó porque las élites eclesiástico-militares y burguesas no querían un gobierno de izquierdas. El golpe se preparó con motivo de las elecciones del 36, en caso de que la derecha las perdiese (aunque hubo otros intentos antes). Y no estuvo apoyado por la mayoría de los españoles, todo lo contrario; fueron los civiles los que frenaron el alzamiento en la mayoría de la península, mientras que de parte de los sublevados prácticamente los únicos civiles en sumarse fueron los carlistas, que eran más bien paramilitares. Allí donde triunfó el golpe lo hizo por represión militar, no por aclamación popular, y siempre con resistencia (los maquis en Galicia, por ejemplo), resistencia que por cierto se extendió de una forma u otra a lo largo de toda la dictadura, muestra de la oposición popular al franquismo.
Nice little pistol - thanks Ian
EAsy way to reassemble and get it aligned, there are two hash marks on the right hand side on the frame and slide, if you line those up and twist the barrel while doing so, it slides right back together easy.
The best way to make something fancy is to give it a high number!
Grandpa owned one in 7,65.
It looks like the notches on the side of the frame are there to help you put the slide at the right position to reattach the barrel.
it looks like it has a cut out mark on the frame and the slide to help you line it up for assemble/ dissemble wasn't sure if you noticed Ian :)
To make the disassembly easier.. you have to mach the lines between the frame and the slide.. You can find that on the right side of the pistol
I had the chance to hold one of these and to buy it. I missed out on buying
it, but it’s pretty cool
Movie trivia, In the pilot of "Firefly" the bad guy shot Kaylee with an Astra. Man, I'm such a geek.
Great video 🙂
I've got an old Astra model 1924, fun little gun
my father used to own one for 50 years until he passed away
You'll probably never see this comment Ian, but if you do I want to mention that this is the only video of yours that I have seen where you describe one of the cartridges that this gun and others fire as 9mm kurz instead of .380. Many years ago I owned an H&K pistol in 9mm kurz. Thanks! Great video. It was very interesting to learn of the Wehrmacht connection to this pistol.
saw one of these for sale with german markings needed new springs and a cleaning but i wish i had picked it up for the 500 they were asking..
I remember the astra being advertised in magazines in the early 60’s. I want to say they were asking $20 each. Wish I’d bought one then.
Nice simple well designed pistol.
Nice. As far as i know, most of these (and probably other small pistols) went to the Luftwaffe. Maybe they thought they needed smaller guns in the cramped confines of a fighter cockpit. The Germans seemed enamored of small pistols, possibly because every party official who had a uniform was entitled to wear a pistol. I think they had FN 1922's and others made for them in occupied Belgium as well, along with Hi-Powers of course (and Polish VIS 35's and other things in other places). Great video as always. Thank you
The little cigar!El Purito
Kinda reminds me of a P7, nice and low profile near indexfinger.
For some reason I'm reminded of the .475 wildey magnum, except mated with a 1911
Hello Ian, thanks for your good content. Could you make a Video about the east german SSG-82 Rifle in 5.45x39 or the Wieger StG-940 in 5.56x45? It would be interesting to hear your opinion about these rifles since they are not that old.
When pronouncing Guernica, just ignore de u!
güernica xD
haha my first thought when Ian pronounced it. In my american high school years I always heard it pronounced without the u.
Para ser inglés no lo hace nada mal...
Guernica o Güernica?
what is the correct pronunciation?
Internet does not help.
Guernica (en vasco sería Guernika)...Ian la pronuncia con diéresis o sea usando la ü...
I want a 400/300 to go with my 1916 mauser, I am now devoted to getting a Civil Gaurda circa 1929~32 loadout complete
Thrawnmulus Guardia Civil
mogaman28 my dang
6:15 "You can go ahead and take that apart if you want to..." I was half expecting to hear, "but I won't because they're a royal PITA to get back together if you do!" ;)
It's like the Colt 1903, but you can make much of it on a lathe. Neat
Finally. A firearm I've owned.
it's a neat little gun! I used mine to shoot a squirrel at 40 yards witht he irons when hunting, fun and reliable too!
You should seek out and try the Norwegian M67 mauser!. A fun refitted rifle for civilian marksmanship made in 1967 and forward. It's very nice and accurate!.
There's a good condition one at the gun store down the street 4" barrel in 380 for $500. Is that a good price? Don't really know much about Astras
La Astra 300 no tenía impreso el calibre, por que el mismo arma podía disparar (con sólo cambiar el cañón) balas de 9 mm corto y del 7,65 mm.
En realidad no se fabricaban dos pistolas para cada calibre, simplemente se las ponía un cañón u otro en la fabrica y ese es el motivo por el que no aparecen las letras que indican sú calibre.
Y otra cosa, hasta donde yo sé en 1932, todavía ponían el modelo del arma, ya que yo tuve hace años una con la letra "E" que corresponde a 1932 y si lo llevaba.
Un saludo y estupendo canal.
@forgotten weapons do you knlw how much this one went for? I actually have one exactly like it. Fantastic condition
Will you ever do a review on the astra 4000?
May I suggest a feature about the Astra 800 Condor and the Astra 4000 Falcon?
That puppy is neat! I'd carry that .380. Makes me want to find a 3000.
Pointy Shooty Little Cutie
Very cool! It looks the same as my model 600 only in a smaller size. (Anyone know where to find good checkered WOOD grips for a model 600?)
How reliable are the Astra 300s? The Styling on it makes it look very cool. I just wonder if the mechanics are so good.
Hola, tengo entendido que les gustaban mucho a los pilotos de caza alemanes por su pequeño tamaño.
4:09
WHOOSH
I have one astra 300 from the 1st models wich I found about 20 years ago refurbishing a house. It's fully working and I have it stored in a safe in Spain as actually I live abroad. It has some engraving as 1923, fabricada en Guernica..so I assume that it's one of the early models (right now I can't check the serial number). How I could check the actual value of the gun? I also have the original leather sleeve
Hi. I am really interested in both items. If you give me a way to contact you we can talk more.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever had an "oh, crap" moment when handling a unique or rare firearm? Not necessarily broken anything but maybe thought you did. Just thought it would be an interesting story.
Devin Overmeyer I would guess something like that PTRD-41 blooper video.
Ian, didn't you say in the Walther CCP video that you used to carry one of these?
In my cheap handgun collection I have a worn out Astra 3000.The modern commercial version of this handgun.
neat little pistol. i would carry it.
Do you know what this one ended up bringing at the auction?
Can someone explain what is the point of a grip safety when you have a normal safety? Is it just about drop safety? Were these early semi automatics somehow susceptible to shooting when dropped? That would explain it to me.
Yes, it's about drop safety. Also, in pocket pistols, it can save your balls. Literally.
+Joaquin Andreu. Damn u sir, i just felt a chill running up from my balls.
Do the Astra 600 next
No lock on the firing pin?
Hello.i have a question, du you now what the pistol kost?greetings Hari
Il Mercenario 1968, Sergei Kowalski's pistol.
I like that "cigarillo" pistol
I presently have an upgraded model of it, called as astraa 3000
Astra 300 LA CIGARRO - Astra 400-600 LA PURO. i LIKE YOUR VIDEO, TE BEST INFORMATION
More pocket pistols!
Jajajaja. ..''Just because they want to be complicated about it''... An very nice little pistol. I thought it will take a clock maker to brake it down...
I read "a ROCKET pistol". Oh well, that's something to look at still
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Can you show us the Astra 3000?
Is that a grip safety in the backstrap? Also, it appears to have witness marks to line up to rotate the barrel during dis/assembly.
It is, it works the same as the 400 and 600.
Thanks! It seems obvious, but the unexpected is part of what makes these older guns so interesting.
locking barell, like polisch PM63
To promounce correctly "Guernica" you should omit the "u" like "Gernica"
astranın her modeli güzel
Of course being once chambered in 9mm Largo (9x23) reminds us of the fictional James Bond character, Emille Largo, so called to imply he had a large chopper.
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Who hits dislike on one of Ian's videos? Legit question... Actively disliking Ian is like downvoting the sunrise. Or friendship and kittens.
I have a upgraded version of these astra 3000
Pew pew, my pistol of choice.
Is Astra still operating today or are they defunct?
They are gone.
Unfortunately, it died back in 1999, but in 2008 an italian entrepeneur called Massimo Garbarino revived the company under the name "Armas Astra S.A" and bought all of the old Astra's patents.
You are the best
You call it them being 'complicated about it', I call it being German about it. Tomatos, tomatos, am I right?😉😂
It's only complicated for non-Germans.
I’m disappointed that I read tomatoes both ways, but you’re right
You can actually tell it was made by the nationals, because the republicas marked it using the basque name for the town: GERNIKA, wheeras the nationals marked it with the spanish name: GUERNICA.
And a bit of history, I just visited Gernika and originally the objectives of the bombing where in fact the weapons factories and a bridge in the northern side (which could have been used by the republicans to flee into france), but instead colonel Richtoffen (commander of the air wing of the condor legion) decided to change the objective to target the population in order to demoralize the republicans, and also, precision is not the issue because the condor legion used the very precise junkers ju 87 ''Stuka'' to carry out the bombing.
Also keep it up love the videos,
Hope this reaches you well (given that this is an old video).
There were stukas involved in the bombing of Gernika. A handful of them.
The larger number were level bombers though. And those couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from inside unless used for area saturation bombing. Keeping in mind that the Kondor Legion used even Ju52s as bombers, accuracy is not an excuse - it was a real consideration, because those planes had taken part in bombing raids before aimed at pinpoint targets and they knew all too well that, other than the stukas (which again, were a handful only), those weren't easy to hit with level bombers.
IIRC nearly all, maybe all, of the German 300s went to the Luftwaffe.
They obviously wanted to capture the factory intact.
What German branch of service preferred the Astras?
So the M mark indicates made in 1929?
I cringed a little watching him try to align the slide in the right place and not noticing the obvious alignment mark on the side of the slide and grip.
Please bring back the direct links to RIA.
He can't. YT might take him down otherwise.
Can't; UA-cam rules.
busco cañón astra 300 9mm corto