The production "Crocodiles" were the series SBB Ce 6/8 II and SBB Ce 6/8 III locomotives of the SBB, Swiss Federal Railways, built between 1919 and 1927. There were 33 class Ce 6/8 II and 18 class Ce 6/8 III, making a total (excluding the prototype) of 51 locomotives. These locomotives were developed for pulling heavy goods trains on the steep tracks of the Gotthardbahn from Lucerne to Chiasso, including the Gotthard Tunnel. The electric motors available at the time were large and had to be body-mounted above the plane of the axles, but flexibility was required to negotiate the tight curves on the Alpine routes and tunnels. An articulated design, with two powered nose units bridged with a pivoting center section containing cabs and the heavy transformer, met both requirements and gave excellent visibility from driving cabs mounted safely away from any collision. The two motors in each nose unit were geared to a jackshaft between the drive axles farthest from the cab, with side rods carrying the power to the drivers. These locomotives, sometimes called the "Swiss Crocodile" or "SBB Crocodile", were highly successful and served until the 1980s. The German model railway manufacturer Märklin published a book about their history in 1984. Several are still in operation as preserved historical locomotives.
Yes when worked on one of largest dairy units in Switzerland 1970/71 winter they Crocodials used to motor past on the Ostersmundigen Thun main line thru to Brig ... it was Stop and look ever time even when unloading Sugarbeet pulp off railway wagon in the Ostermundigen rail yards ... dam hard work lol
Until i saw the driver coming out of the door, i thought this was an amazing N-gauge model railway! Love the fact that all you can hear are the birds and the cow-bells.
They lift and lower the pantograph with air pressure. The wearing strips sometimes contain a pipe under pressure. If the wearing strip is breaking, air pressure lowers and the pantograph is lowering also to protect the wire ! I assume they had leakage in that system and had to pump up the reservoir to lift the pantograph again, until the electric pump had energy and started to deliver enough pressure to keep the pantopgraph up.
Das berühmte Krokodil an einer wunderschönen Örtlichkeit. Klasse! Schade wegen der Panne. Das hat der ganzen Sache aber keinen Abbruch getan. Daumen hoch! :) Grüße Mega
My theory is that the air in Switzerland is very clear, so the colours of distant things appear more crisp than usual, leading people (incl. myself) to believe they are looking at a model.
Explanation for understanding please - what were the men winding or pumping within the cab, and why was it at the opposite end to the pantograph that finally made it to the power wire?
It would have been a pump to manually raise the pantograph; from their lack of success I imagine there was an air leak preventing it from working until they fixed something. Linked below is an interesting document about pantographs which mentions a "Foot pump for manual raising". stemmann.com/documents/catalogues/st_railway_technology_systems.pdf
Why couldn't you have left the pantograph that was up, up? I understand that sometimes 2 are required for ice removal but what difference does it make?
Schönes Video! Tolle Maschine in wunderbarer Landschaft! :o) Muß der Pantograph von Hand hochgepumpt werden? Ich dachte, das geschieht per Federdruck- man sieht die Jungs im Innern da solche Fitnessübungen machen...?
Nein die funktionieren per Druckluft, und ohne Strom funktioniert der Kompressor nicht und wenn der Hauptluftbehälter auch zu wenig druck hat gibt es nur die Hilfspumpe
Ich nehme mal an, die mussten die Stromabfälle mit der Handpumpe aus der Stromabnehmerleitung herauspressen. Da setzen sich jeweils so rostige Elektronen und angesengte Neutronen fest, wodurch die Protonen ochsidieren =:-)
+Richard Gerlach Sigh. You beat me to it. I was going to comment on how hard it was for the poor man, no matter how hard he worked at it, to get it up.
The production "Crocodiles" were the series SBB Ce 6/8 II and SBB Ce 6/8 III locomotives of the SBB, Swiss Federal Railways, built between 1919 and 1927. There were 33 class Ce 6/8 II and 18 class Ce 6/8 III, making a total (excluding the prototype) of 51 locomotives. These locomotives were developed for pulling heavy goods trains on the steep tracks of the Gotthardbahn from Lucerne to Chiasso, including the Gotthard Tunnel.
The electric motors available at the time were large and had to be body-mounted above the plane of the axles, but flexibility was required to negotiate the tight curves on the Alpine routes and tunnels. An articulated design, with two powered nose units bridged with a pivoting center section containing cabs and the heavy transformer, met both requirements and gave excellent visibility from driving cabs mounted safely away from any collision. The two motors in each nose unit were geared to a jackshaft between the drive axles farthest from the cab, with side rods carrying the power to the drivers. These locomotives, sometimes called the "Swiss Crocodile" or "SBB Crocodile", were highly successful and served until the 1980s. The German model railway manufacturer Märklin published a book about their history in 1984. Several are still in operation as preserved historical locomotives.
Thanks for the detailed information. They really are a remarkable piece of engineering for the time.
@@SuperRede4u agreed
Yes when worked on one of largest dairy units in Switzerland 1970/71 winter they Crocodials used to motor past on the Ostersmundigen Thun main line thru to Brig ... it was Stop and look ever time even when unloading Sugarbeet pulp off railway wagon in the Ostermundigen rail yards ... dam hard work lol
Until i saw the driver coming out of the door, i thought this was an amazing N-gauge model railway! Love the fact that all you can hear are the birds and the cow-bells.
It is an N-gauge model. Aren't the people in motion just adorable?
I thought this was Railway Modelling at its best - then saw it was REAL. What fabulous scenery!
They lift and lower the pantograph with air pressure. The wearing strips sometimes contain a pipe under pressure. If the wearing strip is breaking, air pressure lowers and the pantograph is lowering also to protect the wire ! I assume they had leakage in that system and had to pump up the reservoir to lift the pantograph again, until the electric pump had energy and started to deliver enough pressure to keep the pantopgraph up.
muctop well explained old days chap thanks.
incredible, amazing, beautiful! 1000 dank für's zeigen.
Nice video, beautiful loc and scenery. Thanks for posting.
Immaculate locomotive.Shame they had trouble with their pantographs.Stunning scenery!
Wunderschön! Danke für's Teilen!
The zoom on that lens though!!
Yeah
Excellent Video, Thank You ! Saved to Favorites !
I have a small, Triang 040 from the sixties which appears to borrow the steeple cab, colour and Pantograph from this impressive beast.
amazing video! This loco is beautiful.
Das berühmte Krokodil an einer wunderschönen Örtlichkeit. Klasse!
Schade wegen der Panne. Das hat der ganzen Sache aber keinen Abbruch getan.
Daumen hoch! :)
Grüße
Mega
K
The most beautiful country in the world.
So very nice video. ¡Gracias!
My theory is that the air in Switzerland is very clear, so the colours of distant things appear more crisp than usual, leading people (incl. myself) to believe they are looking at a model.
What a Beautiful location.
Belle video superpes paysages et belle crocodile.Dommage que la Suisse soit si chère.C'est un pays que j'adore.
Da wird der Fahrdienstleiter aber ins Schwitzen gekommen sein! Die Güterzüge sind wohl irgendwo gestapelt worden
Trotz Machinen Lärm
Man kann die Vögel richtig hören
Das liebe ich.
Ich wohne gerade neben ein Wald.Und auch in drr Schweiz.
Hai...
Hello, Nice Video! Which camcorder are you using?
👍👍👍 Excellent!!!!👍👍👍 Great caught!!!!!👍👍👍
If Wes Anderson was a trainspotter, this is what his meets would look like
Explanation for understanding please - what were the men winding or pumping within the cab, and why was it at the opposite end to the pantograph that finally made it to the power wire?
It would have been a pump to manually raise the pantograph; from their lack of success I imagine there was an air leak preventing it from working until they fixed something. Linked below is an interesting document about pantographs which mentions a "Foot pump for manual raising". stemmann.com/documents/catalogues/st_railway_technology_systems.pdf
Why couldn't you have left the pantograph that was up, up?
I understand that sometimes 2 are required for ice removal but what difference does it make?
How come it was following the passenger trains?
Call me crazy, but Switzerland looks like a model train layout. The krokodils are about my favorite locomotives.
Иволга щебечет...скорей бы весна !! Сегодня 11.01.
muito,lindo,e,adoravel
Very nice, thanks for sharing!
It just dropped its consist so it has to chase after it
felicitaciones por buen video
stunning loco
Krokodil Ce 6/8 II 14253 - RIP 2023
Spettacolare!
Schönes Video! Tolle Maschine in wunderbarer Landschaft! :o)
Muß der Pantograph von Hand hochgepumpt werden? Ich dachte, das geschieht per Federdruck- man sieht die Jungs im Innern da solche Fitnessübungen machen...?
Nein die funktionieren per Druckluft, und ohne Strom funktioniert der Kompressor nicht und wenn der Hauptluftbehälter auch zu wenig druck hat gibt es nur die Hilfspumpe
Yes, let's raise the pantograph with the main breaker engaged. Works everytime!
Beautyful pleace.
I have this in a LGB.
EIN HERRLICHES TEIL
beautiful
The train is like hoew the fuck did yea forgot me ........wait i commin
🙋
Amazing
Nice.👌👌👌👌👌
Thsst is an old electric locomotive
Jesus some fucking lens on that camera, seriously impressive.
wait these actually exist
Модель цього потяга є
Schade wegen der Panne war trotzdem TollYves Mollard Eisenbahnfan aus Sarnen Obwalden
珍しい機関車ですね(⌒‐⌒)日本では先ずは見ないですね(*_*)
я в России тоже
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Ich nehme mal an, die mussten die Stromabfälle mit der Handpumpe aus der Stromabnehmerleitung herauspressen. Da setzen sich jeweils so rostige Elektronen und angesengte Neutronen fest, wodurch die Protonen ochsidieren =:-)
Beast!
Warndreieck, Warnblinkanlage ;-) nein Spass, Gott sei Dank haben sie es wieder flott bekommen
Nice video
Shouldn’t a crocodile be green ;-)
La loco qui essaye de ratrapper sa rame de wagon
Where's my Viagra pills!
+Richard Gerlach Sigh. You beat me to it. I was going to comment on how hard it was for the poor man, no matter how hard he worked at it, to get it up.
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@@HeartlandTuber 🤣
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GG1 locomotive
Bolsonaro
コレ日本の電気機関車ぢゃねーの？