@@FearlessTrailhawkI just started planning, but I’m thinking two videos. One trail guide, one overland guide. We will see, guess it depends on if anyone joins me.
@@coloradomallcrawlers Not sure why I didn't mention it sooner, we drove past what look like some pretty spectacular BLM camping sites along the ridge off Schnebly, next time I have the X out there I think I'll def be camping up there.
Nice trail! Quite cool seeing you and Jeremy wheeling at the same time 😄. Now I definitely see what you meant about the battery tray. More skids in my future. Thanks for the video!
We had a ton of fun around Crown King this past July. We did Desoto Mine trail, 6/10, and it was pretty hard w/o lockers. I’m in a 2nd gen tundra on 35’s w/ a 3” lift. Good memories, Ty
I’ve done this trail from the lake into town and from town to the lake and back many times. I have it down to just under 3 hours making stops with the group in side X sides. It’s not all that difficult really. In my Wrangler it’s like a full day experience and legit trail. Stock vehicles I wouldn’t bring with in the group. This video is well done showing the major obstacles. Many difficult routes were bypassed and some obstacles were left out. Nice job to the film crew and editing. I very much enjoyed it.
@@ryankuss we only bypassed two of the more gnarly sections...we did everything else. (One of them wasn't even listed on the Trails Offroad guide) If I'd been with my normal crew that i fully trust to spot me or help recover me...and not been 2,500 miles from home, I'd taken all the harder routes. But overall, yes, not a bad trail, just a long day in a full size vehicle. I look forward to doing it again some day!
@@JTube571 i've seen so many elitist wranglers claim you have to have 35s and double locked or 37s to do this trail. I don't know if thats because they are just terrible drivers and needed that themselves, but most rigs with 33s will get through just fine with decent spotting.
I love the off-road community! So cool and supportive! ❤ I'm from SoCal, most peeps here are toxic and just want to tear you down. I hate it. But the off-road community is so chill and supportive. I dig it. I just bought my first jeep. A renegade Latitude 4x4. I just put on some some Falken wildpeak A/T trails in 215 60 R17. In hindsight, i should have probably went 1 size higher with 225 65 R17. But i read about rubbing and am hesitant about going too big on mods since i want to upgrade to a cherokee trailhawk.. suggestions?
@@tdublove9558 I was perhaps a little excited when i saw the outline of both the FJ and X from a distance as i pulled up. I enjoy wheeling with the odd all vehicles that don't get much attention!
I know the guy that runs the Jeep dealership in Prescott. He said that one time the owner of the dealership took a stock Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk up the back trail to Crown King and did all the obstacles and it made it. They got some very minor damage to the body but then he just had it fixed at the dealership!
I know right? It was fun to surprise him with it thats for sure. Though one thing that trip really pressed home was the fact my suspension is way past done. I just ordered the full OME set (medium, cause I don't want much of a lift and would rather like to still enjoy the ride).
@@Messingwiththejohnsons From everything I was reading forums the medium will at least get me back to stock height, worst case it doesn't and I order just the springs and maybe an extra leaf after the fact. Either way it will be 100x better than the extremely tired stock suspension.
I am confused how Jeremy's xterra is going to be pushed harder than the FJ or Cherokee? Its a pro-4x with locking rear diff, skids, sliders, steel front and rear bumpers and 33 inch tires. I assume but don't know that it is lifted as well but even stock with 31s the ground clearance is roughly 9.5 inches. I own a similarly modified 2015 pro4x with arb front bumper, OME lift kit, hardcore offroad sliders, shrockworks skids and rear bumper, 33 inch open country AT along with airflow snorkel and rear breather diff relocate. Last year I ran the same blue and black trails in Vermont with a heavily modded Jeep Sahara (37s, trussed axles, gears, 3.5 inch lift). Not saying it is the case here but there are a lot of Jeep owners that believe that only Jeeps can handle difficult trails.
I'm still running the stock suspension, with 33" inch Milestars (285/75/16), with ExpOne front bumper, winch, Maxterra rear bumper with full size 33" spare tucked underneath, with Shrockworks sliders and full set of skids. With his Grand in offroad setting on the airbags he gets more clearance than I do, but I think wheel base was one of the factors, as well as tire placement, in terms of actually getting up the road. I've got the OME kit on order since after I got home it was extremely clear all the suspension was just done, esp when coming down Schnebly Hill the next day. All the extra lower sag with the front suspension caused the bolts on the front of the engine skid to get pulled out a smidge, bent, and almost sheared so I've got some figuring to do on how to re-attach the radiator and engine plates since all the threading is gone and I already had to re-tap them the week before this trip. Funny story, if they hadn't stopped making the Xterra, he probably would have ended up with one as well, we absolutely loved them when we got them as rentals a couple of times.
I just did the measurements, I've got 10.25 to the bottom of my rear diff, and not even 9.5 to the bottom of the front of where the engine/radiator skids attach.
@@hikingphotog thanks for the info! I will say that after having the ome lift for over a year I would probably have bought a different one. The lift is not much more than 1.25 inches. In a few years I will probably upgrade to something that is at least two inches or more.
I’ve been overlanding in a WK2 since Feb 2022 zero issues other than my current Trailhawk needs struts on the airbags but I got it with 88K on the Clock so it’s over do. I’ve been everywhere in Oregon, as far East as Michigan, as far North as BC, and as far South as Baja. But I am very curious about downsizing to a face lift KL Cherokee Trailhawk for better fuel economy.
@@TheOffroadCamper My KL has touched beach rocks in Maine and beach sand in SoCal. One day I'll get the grand back out to Cali, but i've only had it a year. Might do a north east trip next year once my finances recover.
Darn, not first :( You would have made that ledge if we told you to turn passenger right when you got on top (didn't realize it was going to slide you to the side as bad as it did). I still wish I had tried it but I just came along to help make sure you weren't stuck and stranded out there, esp since we didn't see a soul the whole 7 hours we spent on that road.
@@hikingphotog i think part of it was the ledge at my front passenger kinda held me up and stopped my momentum. Either way i know its possible now, and i was super excited to see those hundreds of stickers on the back of the truck!
Question: did you deflate tires a little before starting that trail? If yes what psi did you set it at? My Jeep Cherokee tires are at 35 psi. It has 2 inches lift kit installed. Thank you
@@davidperlman5604 i use a set of deflators. I always air down to atleast 18 any time i'm offroad. Its easier on all the components...and your kidneys. (Both deflators and air pumps linked in description) Something like for years ago i made a video showing my airdown/up setup. (I'm at work atm and hard to go back and link that vid here) I wouldn't do most of the trails i do without rock sliders that stick out.
@@Wiz-kidddd But has it? Recently? Erosion has made a couple of those obstacles a little taller than they used to be. But I'd love to watch a stock XJ conquer this trail, you should video it and i'm sure it'd get lots of views!
What amazing timing… I just started planning a trip to Arizona for October. This one was on my list.
@@coloradomallcrawlers I'm kinda jealous, they were fun trails, but i was over Schnebly after a hundred feet of that bumpy downhill!
@@FearlessTrailhawkI just started planning, but I’m thinking two videos. One trail guide, one overland guide. We will see, guess it depends on if anyone joins me.
@@coloradomallcrawlers Not sure why I didn't mention it sooner, we drove past what look like some pretty spectacular BLM camping sites along the ridge off Schnebly, next time I have the X out there I think I'll def be camping up there.
You're the kind of guys i wanna go off roading with! Everyone is all about success! I dig it!
Yes, its always better to offroad with people who want to see you succeed...as opposed to just wanting to watch you crash and burn!
When I first got my Bronco Sport I thought I was going to be able to do this trail. That seems funny now.
@@AdroneZ1480 Yeah, that would have been a bad idea. And an expensive recovery!
The GC should have gone on the same line as the Xterra 16:20. I am impressed though. The backway to CK is the best BOH for Arizona. Congrats.
The goal was to do the ledge...not the bypass...lol. And i would have had made it up 100% under my own power had i turned passenger 2 feet sooner.
Nice trail! Quite cool seeing you and Jeremy wheeling at the same time 😄. Now I definitely see what you meant about the battery tray. More skids in my future. Thanks for the video!
So cool to see you and your brother hanging out together.
@@WK2OffGrid It was an amazing surprise for sure! He hung out for 3 trail days on this trip and we definitely had a good time!
We had a ton of fun around Crown King this past July. We did Desoto Mine trail, 6/10, and it was pretty hard w/o lockers. I’m in a 2nd gen tundra on 35’s w/ a 3” lift. Good memories, Ty
I’ve done this trail from the lake into town and from town to the lake and back many times. I have it down to just under 3 hours making stops with the group in side X sides. It’s not all that difficult really. In my Wrangler it’s like a full day experience and legit trail. Stock vehicles I wouldn’t bring with in the group. This video is well done showing the major obstacles. Many difficult routes were bypassed and some obstacles were left out. Nice job to the film crew and editing. I very much enjoyed it.
@@ryankuss we only bypassed two of the more gnarly sections...we did everything else. (One of them wasn't even listed on the Trails Offroad guide) If I'd been with my normal crew that i fully trust to spot me or help recover me...and not been 2,500 miles from home, I'd taken all the harder routes.
But overall, yes, not a bad trail, just a long day in a full size vehicle. I look forward to doing it again some day!
This gives me hope that my '06 Pathfinder with 3" of total lift and a front locker can get up this trail. Definitely been on my radar.
@@JTube571 i've seen so many elitist wranglers claim you have to have 35s and double locked or 37s to do this trail. I don't know if thats because they are just terrible drivers and needed that themselves, but most rigs with 33s will get through just fine with decent spotting.
i got a 2000 XTerra on 31's a few weeks ago. it has a small lift kit, makes it one of the most capable 4x4's around
@@gregoryshearsmith6774 Just needs good tires. He's been happy with his '14 X, it is a great road trip vehicle for sure!
Good job man!
@@GrandExploration Thanks, now i want to go back and do it better!
I love the off-road community! So cool and supportive! ❤ I'm from SoCal, most peeps here are toxic and just want to tear you down. I hate it. But the off-road community is so chill and supportive. I dig it. I just bought my first jeep. A renegade Latitude 4x4. I just put on some some Falken wildpeak A/T trails in 215 60 R17. In hindsight, i should have probably went 1 size higher with 225 65 R17. But i read about rubbing and am hesitant about going too big on mods since i want to upgrade to a cherokee trailhawk.. suggestions?
i took a stock tacoma long bed and i got it stuck once and my friend who is way more experienced in wheeling got it unstuck
Awesome scenery!
@@patrickbailey962 it really was! I was surprised for sure!
awesome job everyone, looks like a fun day.
@@cw50must It was indeed!
That FJ looks amazing in the wild 😍
@@tdublove9558 I was perhaps a little excited when i saw the outline of both the FJ and X from a distance as i pulled up. I enjoy wheeling with the odd all vehicles that don't get much attention!
I know the guy that runs the Jeep dealership in Prescott. He said that one time the owner of the dealership took a stock Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk up the back trail to Crown King and did all the obstacles and it made it. They got some very minor damage to the body but then he just had it fixed at the dealership!
I've done the back way in a 2015 Cherokee trailhawk stock
Looked like a fun trail
@@kevinblock2307 it was, i want to go back...but its 2,000 miles away!
Always enjoy your adventures. Aside from breakdowns which is better off road, the Grand or the Cherokee.?
@@JohnRocker340 each has its pros and cons. But after a year of wheeling it hasn't left me stranded out of state yet!
Great vid!🎉
Thanks!
It’s ok to have an Xterra help out😂😂.
I know right? It was fun to surprise him with it thats for sure. Though one thing that trip really pressed home was the fact my suspension is way past done. I just ordered the full OME set (medium, cause I don't want much of a lift and would rather like to still enjoy the ride).
@@Messingwiththejohnsons it is! I don't discriminate!
@@hikingphotog you have a lot of weight, skids, bumpers etc. Maybe HD might be better.
@@Messingwiththejohnsons From everything I was reading forums the medium will at least get me back to stock height, worst case it doesn't and I order just the springs and maybe an extra leaf after the fact. Either way it will be 100x better than the extremely tired stock suspension.
I am confused how Jeremy's xterra is going to be pushed harder than the FJ or Cherokee? Its a pro-4x with locking rear diff, skids, sliders, steel front and rear bumpers and 33 inch tires. I assume but don't know that it is lifted as well but even stock with 31s the ground clearance is roughly 9.5 inches. I own a similarly modified 2015 pro4x with arb front bumper, OME lift kit, hardcore offroad sliders, shrockworks skids and rear bumper, 33 inch open country AT along with airflow snorkel and rear breather diff relocate. Last year I ran the same blue and black trails in Vermont with a heavily modded Jeep Sahara (37s, trussed axles, gears, 3.5 inch lift). Not saying it is the case here but there are a lot of Jeep owners that believe that only Jeeps can handle difficult trails.
I'm still running the stock suspension, with 33" inch Milestars (285/75/16), with ExpOne front bumper, winch, Maxterra rear bumper with full size 33" spare tucked underneath, with Shrockworks sliders and full set of skids. With his Grand in offroad setting on the airbags he gets more clearance than I do, but I think wheel base was one of the factors, as well as tire placement, in terms of actually getting up the road.
I've got the OME kit on order since after I got home it was extremely clear all the suspension was just done, esp when coming down Schnebly Hill the next day. All the extra lower sag with the front suspension caused the bolts on the front of the engine skid to get pulled out a smidge, bent, and almost sheared so I've got some figuring to do on how to re-attach the radiator and engine plates since all the threading is gone and I already had to re-tap them the week before this trip.
Funny story, if they hadn't stopped making the Xterra, he probably would have ended up with one as well, we absolutely loved them when we got them as rentals a couple of times.
I just did the measurements, I've got 10.25 to the bottom of my rear diff, and not even 9.5 to the bottom of the front of where the engine/radiator skids attach.
@@hikingphotog thanks for the info! I will say that after having the ome lift for over a year I would probably have bought a different one. The lift is not much more than 1.25 inches. In a few years I will probably upgrade to something that is at least two inches or more.
I’ve been overlanding in a WK2 since Feb 2022 zero issues other than my current Trailhawk needs struts on the airbags but I got it with 88K on the Clock so it’s over do. I’ve been everywhere in Oregon, as far East as Michigan, as far North as BC, and as far South as Baja. But I am very curious about downsizing to a face lift KL Cherokee Trailhawk for better fuel economy.
@@TheOffroadCamper My KL has touched beach rocks in Maine and beach sand in SoCal. One day I'll get the grand back out to Cali, but i've only had it a year. Might do a north east trip next year once my finances recover.
Darn, not first :( You would have made that ledge if we told you to turn passenger right when you got on top (didn't realize it was going to slide you to the side as bad as it did). I still wish I had tried it but I just came along to help make sure you weren't stuck and stranded out there, esp since we didn't see a soul the whole 7 hours we spent on that road.
@@hikingphotog i think part of it was the ledge at my front passenger kinda held me up and stopped my momentum. Either way i know its possible now, and i was super excited to see those hundreds of stickers on the back of the truck!
Question: did you deflate tires a little before starting that trail? If yes what psi did you set it at? My Jeep Cherokee tires are at 35 psi. It has 2 inches lift kit installed. Thank you
@@davidperlman5604 i use a set of deflators. I always air down to atleast 18 any time i'm offroad. Its easier on all the components...and your kidneys. (Both deflators and air pumps linked in description) Something like for years ago i made a video showing my airdown/up setup. (I'm at work atm and hard to go back and link that vid here) I wouldn't do most of the trails i do without rock sliders that stick out.
Thank you for your advice. I have air compressor and power inverter to hook up on battery for fast inflating tires when done with the certain trails.
Went up that trail in 2000 with a stock 99 Cherokee . Trail was much better condition.
@@raymondrichard547 24 years of use and weather make huge difference! Its a fun trail for sure!
@@FearlessTrailhawk So true!! I live in central AZ and every time it rains more than a inch the trails get washed out some where.
I love the places you take this thing but it hurts to see the body damage. nice job.
@@BorellaFamilyAdventures It wasn't so much body damage, just a little floor pan action. Its now covered by a proper skid plate.
My stock xj can still do it better even being 24 years old .
Banana! Those XJ's can do quite a lot.
@@Wiz-kidddd But has it? Recently? Erosion has made a couple of those obstacles a little taller than they used to be. But I'd love to watch a stock XJ conquer this trail, you should video it and i'm sure it'd get lots of views!
@@FearlessTrailhawk would be fun to send it really