@@StoicHistorian The movie is too short in terms of time to contain all the moments of her life in all its diversity. That's why I prefer television series to film.
From the way the world is, Cleopatra's children are like the best kept secret. I prefer the subject of them to lay low than have Hollywood or Netflix impose their alternate history on people and appoint black actors to portray them.
Thank you!!! Before I did the research about him I had no idea about this Cleopatra! Although her story is far more interesting (and longer) than her half brothers
@@StoicHistorian Cleopatra is (in the west) arguably the most famous of the various rulers that have ruled Egypt only being really rivaled by Tutankhamen, Nefertiti and Ramses II for the top spot. I myself think she is interesting considering how she was always playing a complected game of politics with all the Roman faction, high stakes international politics at its finest. But I also kind of weep due to the fact that the history of Egypt more or less becomes entirely ignored after her (especially the current Arabic Islamic period but even the roman region of Egypt is rather overlooked). The region was still very important even after Cleopatra.
@@moufidkaderi5363 This is a summarized version of her history,but if you want a deeper dive this is obviously not it and he's not at fault. Ridiculous.
Do you think it's possible that the people worshipped Cleopatra Selene? I've heard references to Juba II and even Ptolemy potentially having had cults but Cleopatra Selene is never referenced as having one which would be odd if Juba did. Thoughts?
It would be hard to believe if she wasn’t worshipped as a living god to some extent, the Ptolemy’s were ,and her marriage to Juba would prove that even more.
@@StoicHistorian My thoughts exactly. We have more information on the cult of the Ptolemies than any other dynasty's cult in the Hellenistic world. Cleopatra Philopator's own cult lasted centuries after Her death. It'd be strange if Selene didn't follow in mom's footsteps
Hey love, very cooool. Just one thing- Can is not from a dog it's from Canarii tribe of Atlas and Sahara, from our lineage K'an (like old name of middle east), but there is a lot of cool info about the dogs. And even same naming.
@@StoicHistorian of the dog..maybe..there is a lot more layering than ppl realize. Canary was named after a tribe in the Atlas mountains called the " canarii" that fought fiercely against the roman empire. they also exist in the desert.. they founded it... la gomera is named after the ghomera tribe, who were also the ones who went into spain to conquer it..
Augustus ruined Kemet. Imagine if he didn't feel threatened by Ceasarion's existence. Ceasarion's line doesn't get interrupted, his sister's line allegedly returned in 200 CE but in this what if her descendants never leave Kemet. Maybe they still fall to the Eastern Roman Empire. Maybe they'd resist the Arabic conquest of 641 CE. Who knows really
Lol. Octavian was one of the smartest rulers in history. The Ptolemies were one of the most incestuous and homicidal families I've ever read about in history. Ancient Roman emperors are far less dramatic than this nutjob family.
Not a single word about amazigh berber tribe the origin and background of juba. Next time if you talk about berber history name it or don’t talk about it. Also numidia, you really think people know numidia is an ancient berber dynasty? I don’t think so. But still no single word about berbers
Research and making videos take time. History is vast and endless. Complaining to someone of not mentioning certain details when the video clearly revolves around Cleopatra Selene and her fate and not the tribes of North Africa, is something you should consider doing yourself. Have a good day and be nice next time.
Why did you not show Cleopatra and her children, namely her daughter as they truly were? With all the research you’ve done you well know Cleopatra was a black woman and her daughter was brown skinned as well. If you tell one lie how can anything else you say not be questioned. Also, it has never been proven that Cleopatra killed herself with a snake. Additionally, the only child killed was her eldest Son. All others were given to Octavia’s sister.
They were not black that is just Netflix’s incorrect take on history. She was Greek and Iranian, if you look at her genealogy it’s easy to see this as her ancestors mostly married their siblings. And we actually don’t know what happened to Ptolemy Philadelphus and Alexander Helios as they disappear from history
@@StoicHistorian They were African to be specific. People truly need to do the in depth research of all the prior history to get the facts correct about this story. Let's not forget this is in Africa. A very blended culture.
The children of Cleopatra is an interesting topic that does not get much attention. Great video.
Thank you, I wish we knew what happened to her two brothers
Agreed!
@@StoicHistorianfun fact Macbeth is a decedent of Cleopatra and mark Anthony and Juba
Thanks, great video. The story of Cleopatra's daughter would be very good for a television series.
That’s what I was thinking, maybe even a movie
@@StoicHistorian The movie is too short in terms of time to contain all the moments of her life in all its diversity. That's why I prefer television series to film.
@@Aristonika9999nothing significant is known about her so a movie will be difficult
Shi is Mary Madalena
From the way the world is, Cleopatra's children are like the best kept secret. I prefer the subject of them to lay low than have Hollywood or Netflix impose their alternate history on people and appoint black actors to portray them.
Great and informative video !
Thank you!!!!
Sweet! Just as good as your video about Caesarion! 👍
Thank you!!! Before I did the research about him I had no idea about this Cleopatra! Although her story is far more interesting (and longer) than her half brothers
@@StoicHistorian Cleopatra is (in the west) arguably the most famous of the various rulers that have ruled Egypt only being really rivaled by Tutankhamen, Nefertiti and Ramses II for the top spot. I myself think she is interesting considering how she was always playing a complected game of politics with all the Roman faction, high stakes international politics at its finest.
But I also kind of weep due to the fact that the history of Egypt more or less becomes entirely ignored after her (especially the current Arabic Islamic period but even the roman region of Egypt is rather overlooked). The region was still very important even after Cleopatra.
Doesn't her tomb still exist - a circular structure in Cherchell Algeria?
Yea it does
He don’t want to mention anything about algeria,morocco or tunesia. Also nothing about numidia history. Or berber dynasty and history of juba
@@moufidkaderi5363 This is a summarized version of her history,but if you want a deeper dive this is obviously not it and he's not at fault. Ridiculous.
@@moufidkaderi5363@moufidkaderi5363 There's only one a solution to your complaint: do the research and make videos of North African history yourself!
Alexander Helios....I still wonder what happened to him. We know so much about the others. Him, not much.
Do you think it's possible that the people worshipped Cleopatra Selene? I've heard references to Juba II and even Ptolemy potentially having had cults but Cleopatra Selene is never referenced as having one which would be odd if Juba did. Thoughts?
It would be hard to believe if she wasn’t worshipped as a living god to some extent, the Ptolemy’s were ,and her marriage to Juba would prove that even more.
@@StoicHistorian My thoughts exactly. We have more information on the cult of the Ptolemies than any other dynasty's cult in the Hellenistic world. Cleopatra Philopator's own cult lasted centuries after Her death. It'd be strange if Selene didn't follow in mom's footsteps
Having fraternal twin children, one male the other female was considered "something devine" back then by many.
Cleópatra Selene and Maria Madalena casada com Jesus Cristo
Take a good look at her face, her nose, her cheeks her chin on any of her statues.... Then look at the Statue of Liberty..... Notice anything?
It is said that Caesar and Cleopatra had another child, a daughter that she was pregnant with when Caesar was murdered. What do we know about her?
Is there an article, source or site you can provide about this topic? Very intriguing. Never heard of it until now.
very beautyfull as interesting.
The Ides of March is actually March 15, not the 14th.
Shit my bad
@@StoicHistorian It's only a day! Let's assume it was a typo ... 🙂
As intelligent as her mother before her.
Hey love, very cooool.
Just one thing-
Can is not from a dog it's from Canarii tribe of Atlas and Sahara, from our lineage K'an (like old name of middle east),
but there is a lot of cool info about the dogs. And even same naming.
So the can is just a coincidence
@@StoicHistorian of the dog..maybe..there is a lot more layering than ppl realize.
Canary was named after a tribe in the Atlas mountains called the " canarii" that fought fiercely against the roman empire.
they also exist in the desert..
they founded it...
la gomera is named after the ghomera tribe, who were also the ones who went into spain to conquer it..
@@StoicHistorian Tebicena for Gran Canaria has a parallel in Sidi Ifni: (morocco) tabelbuft, 'little fat dog'
@@incogb6696 wow quite the coincidence, thank you I really appreciate you explaining that, wish I could go back and change it
@@StoicHistorian No worries! Like I said there is overlap so it could be sprinkled in there somehow.
Octavian was a wesal coward in the grip of fear no valor to uphold
sure man sure .... prrejection from lib labs always have no facts, Chetisha
You said it
Augustus ruined Kemet. Imagine if he didn't feel threatened by Ceasarion's existence. Ceasarion's line doesn't get interrupted, his sister's line allegedly returned in 200 CE but in this what if her descendants never leave Kemet. Maybe they still fall to the Eastern Roman Empire. Maybe they'd resist the Arabic conquest of 641 CE. Who knows really
Lol. Octavian was one of the smartest rulers in history. The Ptolemies were one of the most incestuous and homicidal families I've ever read about in history. Ancient Roman emperors are far less dramatic than this nutjob family.
😁
So much misinformation
Not a single word about amazigh berber tribe the origin and background of juba. Next time if you talk about berber history name it or don’t talk about it. Also numidia, you really think people know numidia is an ancient berber dynasty? I don’t think so. But still no single word about berbers
My apologies, juba and his ancestors are a whole story in itself, I agree with you though, their history is rich and deep
Juba is not important to Canary Islands.
Research and making videos take time. History is vast and endless. Complaining to someone of not mentioning certain details when the video clearly revolves around Cleopatra Selene and her fate and not the tribes of North Africa, is something you should consider doing yourself. Have a good day and be nice next time.
Why did you not show Cleopatra and her children, namely her daughter as they truly were? With all the research you’ve done you well know Cleopatra was a black woman and her daughter was brown skinned as well. If you tell one lie how can anything else you say not be questioned.
Also, it has never been proven that Cleopatra killed herself with a snake. Additionally, the only child killed was her eldest Son. All others were given to Octavia’s sister.
They were not black that is just Netflix’s incorrect take on history. She was Greek and Iranian, if you look at her genealogy it’s easy to see this as her ancestors mostly married their siblings. And we actually don’t know what happened to Ptolemy Philadelphus and Alexander Helios as they disappear from history
@@StoicHistorian They were African to be specific. People truly need to do the in depth research of all the prior history to get the facts correct about this story. Let's not forget this is in Africa. A very blended culture.
Get the mud out of your mind. Cleopatra was never black.
Cleopatra Selene was the daughter of a Greek woman and a Roman man. No blacks in this equation.
Cleopatra was not black.
CleppatraSelene is Mary Magdalena!
Cesarion is Jesus!