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It's not a good platform for a handgun cartridge. I get the concept of wanting a carbine. They just don't make carbines anymore. Just get a M4 clone if you want a carbine. This is a waste of money. Buy a purpose-built platform like a Beretta Cx4 if you want a pistol caliber carbine for some insane reason. It's cheaper just to shoot 7.62x39 if you want an AK
i think there was a weird beretta with a helical mag twenty years ago or so. it was very spaceship looking and was reportedly not very reliable. but this thing definitely looks good.
when the V2 comes around id like to see mlok slots on the 12, 3, and 9 positions for more mounting possibilities. With tapering to meet the retaining plate for a better fit and look!
@@gypsyhydra6801 really depends on quality of ammo and how fast you fire it. I personally just wouldn’t trust it unless you put a fostech echo binary in it. It has a built in OOB safety. Thats solves any issue completely, bit its pricey
Not American. Will likely never get my hands on something like this. Only own a Bizon for airsoft but damn this is mechanically interesting and just a neat product.
@@LilC1deep If he shows up to the Mexico-US border, Biden will personally give him a $2000 moneycard, free transportation to any major city, and free housing provided to them. Just for being illegal and hopefully illegally vote for Biden next election. The really sad part is I'm not even exaggerating...
@@jstanley806 thank god. I preordered the kit just now, I was afraid about having to drill out rivets but now that I know it's just unscrewing stuff I'm comfortable doing that lol
Very very cool! I may have to add another 9mm ak variant to the collection. I have a very early Pak9 from when they were first being imported years ago and nobody was making any other 9mm ak variants. I worked retail at the time and I distinctly remember all of my coworkers and friends making fun of my Pak9 until we went to the range. "It's heavy. It's ugly. It doesn't use curved magazines." blahblahblah. Not a few years later, PSA, CenturyArms, and KUSA all jumped on the bandwagon and listened to the market. I'm thankful they did, because now we have cool ideas like this coming out of the woodwork. Bizons are just cool looking at that is very hard to debate. Even people that don't like aks or non-box style magazines have to show some respect.
I doubt it. You can get +15 extensions for regular magazines and it's not as complicated or as expensive. I only seeing less educated people ordering these things.
@user-bc4uh9yn1w ya basically. Stupid people waste money on stupid stuff. Almost bet people buying something like this have no savings, retirement account or investments in anything. So yes, you can base intelligence off of how people choose to spend their money.
@@weezem Ppl ordering this aren't ordering them for practical reasons 7 -9 times out 10 . They are doing for a neat near clone of something that will never ever come to this country
Great looking fun wall hanger for me. It looks cool but could never see myself using but I will definitely be anticipating myself getting one at some point.
This would be way cooler if the handguard came with picatiny rails to mount optics and lights this would be an awesome home defense gun with the 50 round capacity that goes with it.
I actually asked magpul to make a bizon/helical magazine a while ago. Hopefully this is successful enough to get other companies to make them to and we can have a massive amount of these mags out there. Why? Because they're friggin cool. Nothing against this company, I hope they're beyond successful with this product, but I'd just like to see the market full of these like drum mags.
If you hold the bolt to the rear, then there is no need to relieve tension on the spring, which would keep the rounds in place. If you hold the bolt to the rear and spring tension is releases you can possibly lose rounds depending on how you orient the firearm.
Can you make a video demoing the process for the KP9? It looks more complicated with the drilling and knowing what rivet to drill and with what bit would be helpful even if it is only a mockup of how to do it.
I assume since there is no tension on the mag unless its in the gun that you can leave it loaded as long as you want with out worrying about wearing any of the springs out prematurely
There has to be a better solution to securing that forend lever than a partially removed set screw. It's gonna back out. That said, I still want one of these kits.
Can you guys do an in depth conversion on a kp9? I’m confused as to where the mag release will sit once the plastic mag well is removed. The mag release is currently riveted to the plastic mag well from factory
What about the PSA AK-V with the MOE front end? In the past to add a MOE front part you were to cut off that handguard retainer. You may want to look into that, because now your handguard will not tightly lock together.
I’ve been disappointed in my AKV since I got it and hopefully this will make me not hate it. I’d need to see a video of it running before I commit dollars to it however
Im kinda glad i didnt scrap my nak9. All the reciever to barrel centerlines the same datums between all 3 platforms? I have two of the 3. Considered 16" akv. Single stamp integral boi.
Been lusting over the Bison since Peter G. Kokalis wrote about it in Soldier of Fortune magazine. Pretty sure the Russians made a version in 9mm Mak also.
This looks amazing, probably the easiest (and closest) way to get a Bizon. I had one quick question, though: There looks like there's a pretty sizeable gap between the KP receiver and the handguard. Will that be present on the final version?
I had dismissed the AK-9 variants and didn't think I wanted one up until this very moment.
Ditto!
Just saw my next firearm purchase!
@@RUBIZENnak 9 is 450$ almost as much as the mag lmao. I still ordered both 🤷♂️🤣
SAME!
It's not a good platform for a handgun cartridge. I get the concept of wanting a carbine. They just don't make carbines anymore. Just get a M4 clone if you want a carbine. This is a waste of money. Buy a purpose-built platform like a Beretta Cx4 if you want a pistol caliber carbine for some insane reason. It's cheaper just to shoot 7.62x39 if you want an AK
Maybe I do want a KP9
My thoughts
Couldn't have said it better lol
Good luck finding them since kalashnikov USA is MIA
Too late 😣
You really don't. KUSA's quality has been slipping back and forth. Hella not worth anymore. Get the AKV. : /
I have never heard of you guys prior to this, but holy shit this is one of the coolest things I have ever seen
i think there was a weird beretta with a helical mag twenty years ago or so. it was very spaceship looking and was reportedly not very reliable. but this thing definitely looks good.
It was the Callico
The Bizon was my favorite firearm in the game Siphonfilter
@Derpderpnik I hope
hell yeah! Childhood memories
That's a blast from the past
@DerpderpnikI want to say the .380 acp versions were 65
I have not heard that name in a long time
Just preordered the kit and a spare mag. Cannot wait for this to come in. I’ve been waiting for someone to do this for years
Where do you order it from?
Found it never mind
What’s the website? Trying to find it myself lol
Thanks for being a beta tester.
You live long enough to buy the bad guy!
You might wanna pitch this to Palmetto State Armory. They might be interested in making a pp19 bison copy
Would be awesome if PSA included these with their AKVs
Stuff and things out here making my dreams come true
Stuff and thangs can be dreamy!
*Heavy Slavic breathing* ♥️
I literally heard “Let’s get it on” by Marvin Gaye start playing in my head the moment I saw that thumbnail
Best comment! You win the coveted P.O.B.! (Pat on the back)
@@jonathank7394 lol
I now have to get TWO AKVs to have both a PP-19 build and a Bizon build 😂
they are technically both pp19 but one is the vityaz and one is the bizon
when the V2 comes around id like to see mlok slots on the 12, 3, and 9 positions for more mounting possibilities. With tapering to meet the retaining plate for a better fit and look!
I'd like to see small but soft silicone protrusions you can fiddle and play with on the front end, to make it more sexey.
Looks like a great wrist/ forearm exercise. And when you're done, you get the pew-pew! A reward!
so fucking cool, the bizon is such a weird gun
I don't own a 9mm ak but this makes me want one
I'm glad I got a psa akv now
Im so afraid of the Out of battery detonation issue. I want one too, but the akv needs that issue fixed
No problems with mine.
@Exandria How common is it? Ik PSA has issues but I also know that PSA has fixed most of the issues they have (or so they say I don't own one) .
@@gypsyhydra6801 really depends on quality of ammo and how fast you fire it.
I personally just wouldn’t trust it unless you put a fostech echo binary in it. It has a built in OOB safety.
Thats solves any issue completely, bit its pricey
I had 300 or 400 rounds, through it, i think i don't remember and I didn't have any problems for me
Not American. Will likely never get my hands on something like this. Only own a Bizon for airsoft but damn this is mechanically interesting and just a neat product.
Move to the US buddy. No better place in the world to live if your a gun enthusiast.
You gonna cover his expenses? Lmao
@@LilC1deep If he shows up to the Mexico-US border, Biden will personally give him a $2000 moneycard, free transportation to any major city, and free housing provided to them. Just for being illegal and hopefully illegally vote for Biden next election. The really sad part is I'm not even exaggerating...
Honestly he has a good chance of getting here... it's easier than you think....I live in Texas 🤣🤣
I just pulled my AKV apart to get it ready. My magwell was also held in by 2 screws under the barrel at the front of the receiver. So 3 screws total.
i was wondering the same thing. thank you
did you have to remove any rivets?
@@REBMX nope, just the 3 screws.
@@jstanley806 thank god. I preordered the kit just now, I was afraid about having to drill out rivets but now that I know it's just unscrewing stuff I'm comfortable doing that lol
@@REBMX to be fair my KR-9 is riveted and just inserting a mag caused a rivet to come apart so I’m not too worried about that one.
Fantastic job. I hope the final can be as close to the original as possible. Hopefully more reliable as well
Didn't those Calico guns have a similar magazine idea? It really makes the gun look different, I like it.
It's a calico ak. . . Eh . Aka is fine.
@@ryderczarnecki-es2go is Calako now.
You are changing the game and I love it
Awesome! I've always wanted a bizon, this is the next best thing.
IM SO EXCITED. I HAVE BEEN WAITING ON THE EDGE OF MY SEAT FOR THIS FOR YEARS. GIMME
You mad man! Someone finally did it!
Your channel is the same name as a small video series I used to have up where I'd just ramble. Makes me nostalgic
I don’t even have a 9mm ak but I just bought your conversion. Lol looks like I’ve got another project
Very very cool! I may have to add another 9mm ak variant to the collection. I have a very early Pak9 from when they were first being imported years ago and nobody was making any other 9mm ak variants. I worked retail at the time and I distinctly remember all of my coworkers and friends making fun of my Pak9 until we went to the range. "It's heavy. It's ugly. It doesn't use curved magazines." blahblahblah.
Not a few years later, PSA, CenturyArms, and KUSA all jumped on the bandwagon and listened to the market. I'm thankful they did, because now we have cool ideas like this coming out of the woodwork. Bizons are just cool looking at that is very hard to debate. Even people that don't like aks or non-box style magazines have to show some respect.
Its crazy i was just wondering a few days ago if they ever made a civilian version of the bizon but couldn’t find one. Guess i am buying a Kp9
will you make handguard versions with m-lok added? might not be clone correct but it'd add some functionality. Great Job btw
Ordered and I do love your idea of leaving it loaded
This is gonna make millions 😍
I doubt it. You can get +15 extensions for regular magazines and it's not as complicated or as expensive. I only seeing less educated people ordering these things.
@user-bc4uh9yn1w I guess I should order one then due to autocorrect error and not proof reading. The point still stands.
@user-bc4uh9yn1w Yes, stupid people waste money on stupid things. You can look around and see for yourself.
@user-bc4uh9yn1w ya basically. Stupid people waste money on stupid stuff. Almost bet people buying something like this have no savings, retirement account or investments in anything. So yes, you can base intelligence off of how people choose to spend their money.
@@weezem Ppl ordering this aren't ordering them for practical reasons 7 -9 times out 10 . They are doing for a neat near clone of something that will never ever come to this country
You literally just made PSA more money... and me poorerer
At first I thought this said "poorever," which is a pretty good description of where PSAs deals land you, lol.
@stevep7346 right!?!?! Feel like Fry... "take my money"
Great looking fun wall hanger for me. It looks cool but could never see myself using but I will definitely be anticipating myself getting one at some point.
Weird flex, but ok.
I hope you guys expand to other ak, even if it’s 20 round. 7.62x39, heck bizon a Saiga 12!
Website is not working for the pre order i get "Non-existent changeset UUID"
This would be way cooler if the handguard came with picatiny rails to mount optics and lights this would be an awesome home defense gun with the 50 round capacity that goes with it.
I hope in the future this would have a speed loader available for this magazine
This... changes everything!
Oh I ordered mine tonight
This makes me want another akv just for this
I actually asked magpul to make a bizon/helical magazine a while ago. Hopefully this is successful enough to get other companies to make them to and we can have a massive amount of these mags out there.
Why? Because they're friggin cool.
Nothing against this company, I hope they're beyond successful with this product, but I'd just like to see the market full of these like drum mags.
if you hold the bolt to the rear do the rounds come pouring out?
If you hold the bolt to the rear, then there is no need to relieve tension on the spring, which would keep the rounds in place. If you hold the bolt to the rear and spring tension is releases you can possibly lose rounds depending on how you orient the firearm.
I would like to see it running.
How good does it feed?
How durable is the mag?
If you push the leaver down you could load one round at a time???
Can you make a video demoing the process for the KP9? It looks more complicated with the drilling and knowing what rivet to drill and with what bit would be helpful even if it is only a mockup of how to do it.
Never heard of this before and never really wanted a 9mm AK before. I do now.
If you guys make the magazine more closely resemble the original that would be awesome.
I assume since there is no tension on the mag unless its in the gun that you can leave it loaded as long as you want with out worrying about wearing any of the springs out prematurely
The vibe is real@
Calico is smiling down on you from Heaven...
There has to be a better solution to securing that forend lever than a partially removed set screw. It's gonna back out.
That said, I still want one of these kits.
I have to buy a kp9 soon now that I've found out about this. Holy crap is that beautiful.
This is cool as hell
Any plans on making a conversion kit for Other caliber AK,s like the PSA Krinkov ????
I don’t own a 9mm Ak but I will soon. Always wanted a Bizon.
Can you guys do an in depth conversion on a kp9?
I’m confused as to where the mag release will sit once the plastic mag well is removed. The mag release is currently riveted to the plastic mag well from factory
I know it is stupid, but part of me really wants you to make a bullpup kit that works with these mags. It would be ridiculously cool.
The trigger would have to be right under the muzzle if they did that
@@obsmechanic4940 Where there is a will there is a way.
@@obsmechanic4940orit could be extra low and you sorta roll the mags in lol
You have completed my dreams
Closer to the Calico than I thought.
When an AK is just too reliable and not barrel heavy enough for you, the Calico dumpster fire conversion is the only way to go.
Lol
Why not make the slots M-Lok on the handgaurd?
Not Bizon clone correct.
Your product looks much better made than the ak itself.
Now create a 3D printed sleeve to put over the mouth so we can stack ammo and load quicker
What about the PSA AK-V with the MOE front end? In the past to add a MOE front part you were to cut off that handguard retainer.
You may want to look into that, because now your handguard will not tightly lock together.
Hey will!! Haven’t seen you since LSS!! I could really go for this!!
Can you still use standard box mag after converting?
I'd love something like this for the ruger pc9 :) or any AR9 chassis
Someone finally did it!!! I applaud you all. This is outstanding!
Would be cool if it worked with my Vityaz but not going to remove my zenetico for this or do major cosmetics to a firearm when a mag works.
Brandon hererras gotta see this
This is so, so damn cool.
Calico meets ak! 😮
You make America great again
I’ve been disappointed in my AKV since I got it and hopefully this will make me not hate it. I’d need to see a video of it running before I commit dollars to it however
Im kinda glad i didnt scrap my nak9.
All the reciever to barrel centerlines the same datums between all 3 platforms? I have two of the 3. Considered 16" akv. Single stamp integral boi.
Ok, tell me more.
That is the sexiest thing I have ever seen.
Kinda feels like the old Saiga12 forum around here.
Been lusting over the Bison since Peter G. Kokalis wrote about it in Soldier of Fortune magazine. Pretty sure the Russians made a version in 9mm Mak also.
Just posted this on Reddit haha set a wild fire 🔥, I need one to try out for the boys !
that's a vibe
Does this work with a pak9?
New updated version of the Callico. Remake of an older idea.
This looks amazing, probably the easiest (and closest) way to get a Bizon. I had one quick question, though:
There looks like there's a pretty sizeable gap between the KP receiver and the handguard. Will that be present on the final version?
Damn. Sold my kp9 a few months ago
I need to buy a Nak 9 now.
Im assuming this will work with a psa KP9, IF SO I SHALL BUY
damn I wish this was available for the Nak9
Will this work on the wasr-m? The Nap-9 is just a shorter barrel/ a Draco.
That's awesome. I want one for my akv9.
Are you going to show a test fire video?
SOOO SICK!! How long are pre order times rn?
YOOOOO will this work with a PSA 9mm ak?
They sell a kit for the PSA AKV
@@aamry fire thank you sir
🤔 interesting but why would I want this instead of a regular magazine?
Y'all gonna drop a top folding stock to go with this?
I have a question, if you use the draco 9s kit will it still be able to use the Scorpion mags?
Heard about you guys first on PSR for the she shocker and was ok that's cool but this is omg I want it now. Gimme gimme!!!
Does the handguard need to be installed for that magazine to work?
Sooooo when do you make one for a full size AKM? Would it be ungodly heavy? Yes. However its cool
I'd like more info on that front grip on that 3rd up at on tje left
Drum mags are always,..oh its too hard to carry extra mags or they are ftagile.
This would be easy to make long rectangular mag pouches for
Have you guys ever ran one of these on a post sample?
just bought a draco s and now I need another, damn man lmao
I have a pak 9, which is a shorter nak 9. Any chance you would make a kit for that?
WHAT!? Amazing.