AUDI S3 VS BMW M140I HEAD2HEAD REVIEW!!! // IS THE 140I REALLY BETTER?
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Owned both, and also a mk7.5 Golf R. The one thing nobody ever seems to comment on in these comparison videos is that they aren’t built for the same purpose.
S3 and Golf R are faster in the ‘real world’ in the UK, meaning they can cope with the weather, and are easier to chuck around tight back roads. They’re a car to be driven like a chav, and they’re unbeatable for doing so. If you want to spend around £20k to drive like an idiot, thrash around the estate and overtake people on a back road, get one of those.
The m140i is a motorway cruiser. The chassis isn’t capable of being thrown around like the golf, it’s basically a 116d with a big 3 litre engine dropped in. Handles like a boat and the open diff means you simply can’t keep up with a haldex S3/R coming out of bends.
If you drive the 140 like a chav, it’s get unstuck, has a really snappy rear and can’t put the power down when it’s wet.
If you understand that the 140 should be driven like a commuter car 90% of the time, you appreciate it far more. The gearbox is smoother than a dsg in 1st-3rd, the engine is smoother than the 2 litre and it feels far more premium due to the smoothness of the B58 and the available torque. The sound is far far better and it’s a much more expensive feeling car.
The m140, when driven like a 120d is great, almost perfect. Then when you want to overtake, it’s faster than 99% of cars on the road.
It’s the perfect autobahn hatch.
It will never, ever be as quick coming off a roundabout, or at the lights as an S3/R.
The Audi’s got far better build quality inside, followed by the BMW then the Golf. But the horrible sounding EA888 and jerky DSG in traffic, means it’s no nicer to drive than a 1.4 litre TFSI.
If you’re bothered about ego and “gapping” someone, get an R or S3.
If you enjoy driving (not just driving fast, but cruising at sensible speeds) and appreciate the refinement of a 6 cylinder, get the 140i and just accept that the lack of traction and heavy front end means it’s not a “chuckable” hot hatch in the same way a civic type r would be.
Journalists bang on about the “fun of it being rwd”, but it’s not an M car. It’s not set up to power slide or drift or put in quick lap times. It’s a comfortable, refined, straight line monster.
Kids buy S3s and Rs and drive like an idiot until they get used to the initial traction and acceleration, then get bored. Or, they buy m140 and sell it because an S3 beat them at the lights.
I didn’t like the first m135i that I bought because I expected it to be a quicker version of my fiesta ST. Now I realise it’s more of a smaller, entry level, motorway cruiser like a 5 series, but with a monster of an engine, I appreciate the m135/m140 far more.
Completely different cars built for completely different things.
yeah, but what u dont know is the m140i can become a b road beast/ track beast with suspesion mods chuck about 3-4k on suspesion mods and you will have a behemoth of a hot hatch but good description
@@Makten12yeah you’re right, stick an lsd, decent suspension set up, m4 control arms and some decent tyres and it’s a far better b road car, but we’re talking £4K before even declaring the mods on your insurance.
And even after that, spent a grand on a downpipe, tune and an intake and a S3 or R is still going to be faster, with £3k spare.
The ONLY thing the 140 has that makes it a fast b road car is the b58. No amount of power can make up for the traction advantage of haldex though
@@idontcare807 truth be told though both have their pros and cons to get a m140i to 450hp would cost way less then say trying to get the R/S3 to Stage 2 but yeah in the long run it might be a bit cheaper then m140i due to needing suspension mods if running serious power but all in all i wouldnt get rid of my m135i lci for a S3/Golf R 9 out of 10 times the amount of character and car you get for your money is just insane lol the sound the power the looks the interior (shadow edition 140i) is just superior apart maybe from a digi dash s3 cabin but yeah man you probably cant go wrong with either a s3 or a 140i but id put the 140i a pedestal above the s3 just due to the fact how easier it is to tune and how superior it sounds compared to the 4pot S3, good description again bro
@@Makten12I actually think the digi dash isn’t that good. I had it in my golf and it’s a gimmick, looks ok but you can’t customise the data you’re given and whilst the map looks good, it’s far easier to just use the infotainment screen.
The LCI dash in the 140 is perfect imo.
I’m not fussed about tuning and running the highest bhp figures personally. It’s more about useable power and I think anything beyond 400 is pointless if you don’t have the suspension mods and lsd in the m lites.
The only problem with the b58 is that it’s best when pulling from around 40-120, so you’re in trouble too quickly with the cameras to be able to enjoy it.
I’m going to buy another 140i this year hopefully. Can’t wait to be out of the 2 litre dsg vw. Not very nice to drive
The difference is quite simple - one car you get driven in & the other car you have to drive… Two different cars for two different drivers.
It comes down to personal preference. Both capable cars.
I love your content bro keep it up
And I am a huge fan of Audi can you review the new s3
HERITIER here from Johannesburg South Africa🇿🇦
A build series on your m140i would be awesome. I vote Birds suspension kit
Deffo one of the first mods i’m planning on doing!
Had golf R 7 and 7.5 and most recently a cupra formentor all using similar engine drives parts to the s3 and didn’t love them as much as I now love my 2018 black shadow edition m140i only 38k- which was decided on a wim by your living with an m140i episode - great comparison mate keep up the great videos 👍
can you do a review between bmw m3 ane rs3 if you can :). Very nice videos I very much enjoj them
you should have mirror tilt feature with reversing.
I agree build series would be great.
To sort that suspension bounce get the powerflex inserts, its night and day with how it makes the car handle
Happy holidays ❤
Is the 30-70 list available somewhere?
do you mind doing a 2018 mercades cls 350
I’m a bmw fan but I have no experience with powerful cars on the road. Something like an S3 would be much safer and as you say in the video- more enjoyable. However I’d still want something with which I can get close to the limit of grip with and play with, and as good as the audi is, I’d never get that because of the AWD. And so I wouldn’t really get to learn more about car control, well, as much as you can on the road. What should I get??
C43 coupe next?
You think a B58 is a torque monster, you need to try a N57 335d...
I love mine!
Agree. Keeping my 140. It's my daily. Kw Suspension is excellent.
Better than a s3 as good as a rs3
how much was ur kw suspension
Worth the money though. One of the best mods. That and the exhaust (custom downpipe + midpipe + Mperfomance backbox 😍)
Switching to PS5 tyres on an M140i transforms the grip, its on another level
I've had manual M240i for nearly 3 years
It's been worked on quite a lot, fully adjustable bilstein coilovers
Spacers
Ebc brakes
Eagle F1 asymmetric 6s
Custom Dyno stage 2+ tune with a sports cat and mst intake as well as a load of carbon cosmetic goodies
The car is now monstrously fast, with the uprated suspension and tyres I can't even get wheelspin in 1st gear in summer (in a straight line)
However I'm not sure how I feel about that, the reason the car is so fun is because it's got way too much power to put down, but by making it more capable I've made it a bit more Audi like
Just some food for thought
What clutch did u use? stock on stage 2+ ?
@@hettmannsperger42 stock clutch, although I don't think the car particularly likes it
may i ask whats the average mpg for the m140i and s3 for town driving?
I've had both and they're basically the same for me. I'd say traffic on the day, weather etc. plays a bigger factor in economy.
I’m itching to change my car (330D E91) A bit dated and I’ve had it for 4 years. I really fancy an M140i but, I’m 43 and they’ve become the modern day Saxo, owned by kids who don’t shave! Or, the more grown up RS3 but, you need a fuel tanker to run it or, deep pockets.
Get an m2 or m2 comp
Where would you put a tts in this since they handle better than a s3 ?
Audis don't handle, they grip. There's a difference. I'm with Clarkson on this...fast Audis are all a bit meh.
The m140i was built to fight the rs3 at its time of release unfortunately within a year both amg and rs dropped 400+ hp upgrades on their hot hatches which left the 140 slightly behind however the power difference is noticable compared to the s3/a35, remove the launch control and theres not much in the 0-60 which lets be honest in the uk you aint lining up and launching a car from the lights, and on the roll in the damp the 140 is slightly quicker than an R/cupra/s3, add in a dry day and it will walk them, having had an cupra for 3 years the 140 was an absolute upgrade and Ive driven s3s quite a bit and they feel lackluster when accelerating (maybe due to torque?)
the M140i was not made to rival the rs3 or the a45. That was the M2
@@hydraz1443 What a stupid comment, that's like saying the m3 is not made to compete with the rs5 because that's the m4. Or that the m5 isn't made to compete with the rs6 because that's the m6. All these cars share the same engine between each other. 1 series and 2 series have the same specifications till u go to m power where the 1M costs stupidely much
@@hydraz1443 back when it was first released it had 50hp over the S3 and R putting it almost on par with the 45 and rs3 but yeah you are probably right regarding the M2
It was an absolute travesty that we never got the M140i XDrive in the UK down to technical issues. That’s the car I would have bought! The closest we get is that freaky looking M240i XDrive now and that’s just not grown on me at all despite its amazing capabilities.
Why did we never get an xdrive m140i😢
@@ahyaan2552 Apparently it wouldn’t fit in right hand drive configuration with the bigger 3.0 B58.
@@Buck3366 It has recently done though in the UK. You can find the first UK M140i XDRIVE now avaialbe for mod
@@Buck3366 i wonder if it would be possible to chuck a b58 into them 120d xdrivea
I would've as well. Same we don't get it in the SA. I've driven the new M240i. It's really nice however you can feel the weight and the price tag is pretty hefty here. Bang for smiles is better on the 140.
Could you compare the s3 vs a35 cause they are very similar to each other
Bought the misses an M140i 5 weeks ago, she loves it coming from a MK7 GTi, so much faster and more fun, done a few mods like OPF delete and Resonator it now sounds like it should, I have owned M2 Comp and M4 Comp and the M140i is much cheaper and as much fun
Financed it *
@@Thuds593 financed what?
@@TheJaceyBoy the car it’s only a lease you don’t own it
@@Thuds593 what are you on about?
@@TheJaceyBoy lmao
I wish people would get the figs right the m140i is 0to 60 in 4.2 seconds and I don’t think a stock block has been dyno d less than 350 hp
Yeah it is...and also better looking
Those nervous giggles whilst skating around for traction cracked me up , I’m always at it 😆I’ve had 2 of these now , bang for buck and drivability hands down prefer the 140, also had an s3 personally too but too boring for me . Suppose it comes down to driver preference both are flying machines on the road (especially if you know what your doing ) and will upset many other more powerful cars out there . Quality video and content . 👍🏻
Where does that, ‘like a freight train’ expression come from? They are one of the slowest accelerating things I can think of.
One of the slowest braking too.
It relates to unending acceleration. Basically means it feels like you could tow the moon and keep accelerating.
Im in the middle of a dilemma… my mate is selling his 2015 S3 stage 2 with mods. Its meticulously taken care of, mint condition, only been in a garage, he has multiple cars to its hasnt been driven much 88k kms.
Or a 2017 M240i with the M-performance pack with 69k kms from a BMW dealership. Single owner, mint condition as well, full dealer service history and its stock.
The S3 is 2/3 the price of the M240i but he is also offering it to me for a very good deal.
I wont be daily driving either as I have another little car for that.
Cant decide between the 2.
I am more in favor of the M240i but unsure of its reliability
The issue I have is that my insurance wants 2.3K for a m140 with 3 years NCD where as S3 is 1K and S4 is 1.2K so audi seems to be cheaper
I have so much fun in my m140i, it's nuts😂😂😂😂
Does the golf r handle better than s3?
They feel the same to me.
💪💪
The S3 is nice enough but is a generic 4 cylinder turbo. It just doesn't feel special like the 6 cylinder M140i.
I've never driven an RS3 or M140i, but I struggle to see how you can compare them both. Pretty much everybody says the same thing that in completely stock form the M140i handling is utterly pants. Interior is definitely not on the same level, and they make less power stock for stock. Can someone tell me in what way they're comparable ?
Driving experience rear wheel drive is really that’s special I struggled to understand the fascination with bmw when I first got into car but generally BMW builds cars for the driver where as Audi in this case builds car that have great performance and quality but are as fun or exciting to drive
And the price ofc Rs3 is over 10 k more
I’ve driven both Rs3 stage 1 and I own a m140 stage 2+, and you can’t really compare them because there totally different cars in my opinion. Yes there both hatchbacks but drive so different,the rs3 is the all round better car and gives you so much confidence but then is very dull experience. I think it depends what you want from a car, on the other hand the m140 is not the best at everything but is so much fun and makes you a better driver for sure, very aggressive it’s all down to personal preference. To be fair b roads rs3 is quicker but on a rolling race my m140 beats it every time , but then again if the rs3 was stage 2+ it would be faster for sure.
@@emmanuelakintayo1601 I agree, that's why I will always take BMW over the big 3. I love a drivers car myself. However, in this case, the M140i is definitely more suited toward brute straight line speed rather than handling. The fact that the RS3 is 10k more proves my point that they're not comparable.
@@ARDEN440i 100%
Had an M140i for 4 years, loved it. Spent thousands upgrading it, and in a straight line it was a missile.
Now own a standard OG M2. Wow, the steering, cornering, ride and handling, on another level.
My old M140i could have had 900bhp and it still wouldn't see which way my M2 went on a twisty road.
Would of been better if you used a pre opf S3 with 310hp
i know, couldn’t get one sadly ☹️
Ha ha as the owner of a Ford rs2000 in 1979 a “very fast Ford” which was a hoot to drive sideways everywhere but was 109bhp😂😂😂😂😂😂. Wonder what 30-70 would have been
M140i standard figure is actually 335bhp, not 340.
i quote horsepower not brake horsepower, two different things.
@@ParagonCarsLondon Yes I know, I work in the motor trade.
No worries.
BHP takes frictional losses in the engine into account, and as such is more accurate, and lower.
If you fancy driving my M140i which has Quaife, Birds suspension, XHP3, stage1 tune, before you start your project, let me know. A weapon is an understatement….😉
Maybe 👀..
I’ve got a 125i and it doesn’t go over speed bumps like a pogo stick 😂 I do like the M140i and the engine is master piece, but one wrong move especially in the wet and it’s 1-0 to the hedge 😂 why didn’t BMW give it better suspension??? Anyway love the channel and content, can’t wait for more videos next year 👍👍
Misconception. Good tyres and common sense and the car has been pretty good in the rain. It will behave like a hooligan if you want it to. Also the suspension is decent for road use within speed limits. Only when you're really pushing on then you don't have the confidence. I've only experienced the bouncy feeling when the road is uneven and you hit a bump or something at speed.
If you can't drive, PLEASE buy an RS3, S3, Golf R, etc, else you'll bin an M140. Simple as.
Think of the VAG range as offering stabilisers for those with low/no ability.
BMW didn't give it the suspension to deal with that b58 because no one would of bought the M2. Even on a wet day i drive my on the edge and yeah it moves around a little but the contraction control system is very good so it rubbish it's going to end up in a hedge
Just think back to the Chris Harris video on top gear driving the RS3 and M2 around a corner. There is only one winner.
M140, stage 2 bm3, xhp stage 3, HPFP, MMR intake, scorpion downpipe de-cat , full Remus exhaust, bilstein coil overs , wavetrac diff, poly bushes and some j hook discs and ferrodo pads to slow it down 😂 will destroy any s3 and most rs3 going stage 3 with pure 800 turbo 🎉
Bet that is a straight line missile.
I had an M140i for 4 years. Upgraded lots of parts, mine was only running 3455bhp/634nm but very quick.
Unfortunately, no matter how much money I spent on it, the fact was, it would still only be a modified 118i chassis.
Recently got an OG M2, completely standard, and wow. Slower in a straight line, but steering, damping, cornering, handling, on another level. Even a 900bhp M140i would not see which way I went on a twisty road.
It doesn’t make any sense what u said that BMW is cheaper and you would first invest in xHP even though u mentioned the gearbox is the best on the market 😂
Why not invest in a better suspension (KW or ST)?
Cool vid but these cars don’t compare at all
Fairly meaningless 30-70mph times if you’re starting from 2.5k revs. Kickdown is a more real world way to do these tests.
6:20 at least blur his plates 🤣
nah 🤣
140i together
I was racing a rs3 and it could not over take me what are you saying S3 is faster In what way it not in the same League simple when you drive an m140i you smile when driving a S3 nothing really to smile about
And in an m140i you will have lost control and crashed around a corner and for racing an rs3 and keeping up I think your full of bullshit
@@lexman8678 not when it stage 2+ 480hp 730nm with LSD, bilstein coilovers rear subframe inserts bushing. Underbody bracing spacers so no it's not ballshit
@@YhyujssAs much as I love the m140i, that argument is stupid, because you're admitting that to not die you have to spend loads of money on modifications
@@kyranthez927 the traction control system is very good so no your not going to die even in stock if you know how to drive a m140i. The one that crash them haven't got a clue how to drive a proper driver car they probably used to driving S3, golf r rs3 which a monkey can drive.
The bmw,
I wants it,
Mi needs it,
My precious 😊
The s3 is the more serious and focussed bit of kit from factory. But, the 140i is the far better & more engaging platform even with its naff handling & suspension. However, spend 4k on the m140i with some suspension and a LSD and it runs rings around an S3
More serious? It is a 4 pot with Haldex... and it has 1 exhaust per cyclinder 😂
@@neil5242 yep someone who hasn’t driven a stock m135/40i talking
M140i have amazing B58 engines, and if it's an auto, amazing ZF8 box. But the car is just a 118i m sport underneath.
I had an M140i for 4 years, spent thousands on it.
No matter what you do, it will only improve it to a reasonable amount over a standard car, and it will never be a really good handling thing.
An S3 isn't exactly great either, numb, understeery, FWD haldex until the front wheel lose grip then the rears get brought into the game.
My OG M2 I have now, completely standard, absolutely runs rings around any M140i on a twisty road, no matter how much money the M140i has had spent on it diff, chassis mods, bracing, m3 arms, doesn't matter.
@@DjNikGnasherswith LSD and m4 arms and bushes with lowering kit the m140i would destroy og m2 the b58 is much better engine then n55, and on the straight the m2 would be a small dot on the rear mirror, the m2 competition now that’s a proper m2 with the s55 engine
@@lukeskywalker1666 Did you even read my post ?
I HAD AN M140i FOR 4 YEARS.
I spent thousands on it. My car did not have M3/M4 arms but all that does is allow you to run more camber so you get a better turn in, from the front wheels.
My car was running 455bhp/634nm, so I know how fast they are in a straight line, as I OWNED ONE FOR 4 YEARS you muppet.
Trying to tell me about a car I owned for 4 years, when you have never even owned one yourself you turnip.
Lowering kit does not do anything for handling on an M140i.
Standard M140i is SLOWER than a standard OG M2, 0-60 times 4.6 for an auto M140i, verses 4.2 for a DCT M2.
My tuned M140i would have pulled away from my current OG M2, but not small dot in the mirror, the difference isn't that great.
Also your bullshit about S55 being a proper M engine is comical, you know nothing about cars that is obvious.
The N55 in the OG M2 is not the same as the N55 in other BMW models, it has forged parts (crank, rods, pistons, etc), and other improvements, and it is a great engine in it's own right. Plus the M2C is heavier and in reality the difference is almost nothing, with some very famous car reviewers preferring the OG M2 to the M2C.
You don't know SHIT about cars, so I suggest you keep your childish mouth shut.
The s3 would’ve embarrassed the m140i on the 0-60
It’s the looks of the m140i that I just can’t stand. Looks so boring. So many about too.
S3’s just sound too shit compared to the 40is. If I ever moved away from my stage 2 m240i, it’d have to be an RS3 or maybe even an RS4
Audi S3 is a better car. Fact. I've owned both and the BMW 1 series shouldn't be classed as a BMW. They're a pile of crap,
Which 1 series did u have?
Yeh ea888 is better than the b58 😂😂😂😂 give over s3 is just another crappy 4 pot turbo
M140i is not on the same level as a45s and rs3s please stop😂
Tell that too the a45 I gapped the other week lol, and countless videos show how much faster it is. Rs3 is a competitor for sure, but the 140i on a rolling start would keep up no issues at all...
@@jamiekirkland8605 not stock for stock 381 in the a45 or 340 in a 140i don't get me wrong B58 is insanely good tuned but stock it's different gravy
M140I is faster than S3 for sure .0-60 in 4.6 seconds,more torque and power. And those tfsi engines in Audi's and vw are not even that reliable
Yeah till it rains
@@stephenpearson8720 in a roll race the BMW will show the S3 who's daddy!💪
Or until you hit a b road then that mint m140 suspension and 1 wheel drive comes into play😂
Not reliable because people don’t service them, rag them out on cold and don’t exclusively put in 99 Ron I’ve had mine for 20k + and never had a problem
I've had both, and the S3, although not as fun, is by far the better motor. The haldex spins up on the S3 occasionally, but cornering performance during poor weather conditions puts the S3 on top. The cockpit on the S3 is insane. BMW didn't even come close
No it wouldn't. The RS3 is the direct competitor regardless of cost. It costs more because it is a better car... fact. The 140i is a phenomenal car for the price and extremely quick and a great way to enter high performance on a budget.