The 1854/67 Wänzl rifle in caliber 14x33R
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The 1854/67 Wänzl rifle family firing a self contained cartridge was the first generally issued breach loading arm of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy pushed into service just after the defeat of 1866, converted from Lorenz muzzle loaders. That's the point when ammo making became industrialized. History, ballistics and shooting: all about a beautiful vintage arm.
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The old gunsmiths really were brilliant craftsmen.
My 1873 trapdoor is amazingly accurate. Hate to get hit with a 45-70
@@Riqrob
Despite these "trap door" breechloading conversion designs being picked because of their cheapness and simplicity, I like the trap door system a lot. The Trap Door Springfield is probably my favorite of the American single shot rifles of the late 1860s to 1880s. It's a great single shot system. ^This one looks very similar, so I'm sure it's just as good.
@@HighlanderNorth1it is the same thing on a different gun.
I didn't realize how similar this is to the American Springfield trapdoor.
Super interesting video.
Well duuh the trapdoor is 20 years younger
@@az12223 the original Lorenz rifle is. The Alan Convertion is younger by only about 6 years.
The patient for the Allin conversion is dated 1865.
Springfield trapdoor was from 1866 in 50/70G and 1873 com 45/70G- last produst model 1884!
As a owner of a trapdoor I'd have to agree with ya'. Would love to shoot one of these babies and see how they compare.
Great work, my friend. Such a parallel all over the world... It's interesting that so many countries did essentially the same thing in quickly converting their muzzleloaders, as a stopgap until smaller bore rifles became available. The diagrams at the end bear striking resemblance to those in the British manuals. Perfect balance between shooting, history and ballistics... Just excellent. Thank you.
Many thanks Rob! These rifles are a joy to research and shoot!
@@capandball Aren't they! :-)
@@britishmuzzleloaders Someday Rob needs to go visit Hungary! That would be a fantastic video.
@@eVVigilance One day!
I love this era of firearms. These modifications are so simple yet so complex. The same flintlock designs from the late 1700s were modernized into caplocks, then again into breach loaders. Note the cleaning rod is actually still a ramrod curved for ramming minie balls. It's like watching the rifles evolve, still with vestigial parts.
Well done. Articulate and simple explanation of everything. Always a pleasure to watch you in action!
Love this channel. So damn good.
Luis Santiago so damn true! :D
Luis Santiago, I agree this is up there with forgotten weapons and C&R Arsenal top notch content.
So damn agreed! XD
I know it’s awesome
It is good to see your channel again dear sir. I was impressed with this model of conversion in 14x33R. In America at Springfield Armory the second iteration of the Allin-designed breech loading mechanism which was a redesign of the model of 1865 which had used a rim-fire .58 caliber cartridge. The Springfield Armory would in turn produce the model of 1866 using a 50-70-450 center-fire cartridge. This being a .50 caliber bullet weighing 450 grains over a 70 grain charge of black powder in a copper case. This would be the predecessor to the Springfield model of 1873 in 45-70-405 center-fire we all know simply as the 45-70 Government.
Hello,We too have evaluated the Infanteriegewehr Lorenz system with its Kompressionsgeschoss, Wänzl-Jägerstutzen Model B and Wänzl-Infanteriegewehr with their respective bayonets on UA-cam and found them accurate and a pleasure to shoot. Also the Dreyse system and Podewils-Lindner.Your channels is always informative and entertaining and does not deserve the negative 'Thumbs Down.' Thank you for your work.G and L A-R-West FHBSA
Many thanks! I saw your videos! Good job!
At 20:26 to 20:38 I think you can see the effects of compressed air detonating, creating a small localized explosion. I'm not certain if there's flammable material on the bullet, such as unburnt powder or flammable grease left in the channel aiding in the combustion, but either way, as best as I can tell, this is what's happening:
20:26 The bullet penetrates the medium, causing air to be sucked into the cavity.
20:28 The entry cavity closes, and the silicon medium seals, preventing air from escaping the cavity. The exit cavity also begins to return to its original shape, compressing the air in the cavity.
20:30 The compressed air, due to heat and pressure, detonates, burning the oxygen in the shrinking cavity, causing an explosion.
20:31 The energy from the expanding explosion causes a bubble to form.
20:34 The bubble begins to collapse.
20:37 This collapse causes a compression that leads to another explosion.
20:38 Another bubble forms from the second detonation.
Yes, that is the "dieseling effect". I have read different ideas what is the flammable component in the compressed mixture.
this channel is a gold mine.
Something about learning about these older guns is just so Damon interesting and entertaining. And this guy is perfect to teach it
I love your style, not to much, or to little, just what matters. One would not know without putting in time at the range!
Thank you for taking your time for all your information.
I really enjoy your channel and the wonderful information you tell us. Always, a great story and journey in time. Also, I mostly love your smile of satisfaction when you fire that last round.
Outstanding, thank you for posting. I am lucky enough to own a Wänzl, fascinating rifles.
Your channel is fantastic. this is up there with forgotten weapons and C&R Arsenal top notch content. Thank you
Love the history cause most of my family is from Prussia and I credit you for getting me into muzzle loading now I have a flintlock Kentucky rifle made by traditions and a 54 cal missippi rifle from ero arms wich is outa business
Welcome to the sport! :-D
erlycuyler thank you I find it more fun to shoot blackpowder wepons more than modern day guns
The history that you provide along with the rifle is just awesome! great video as always!
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I don't know what it is about these 19th Century rifles (especially the "Needle" Rifle) but as someone who doesn't really have a tangible interest in firearms, your videos are amazing.
As always a great production and very educational unlike so many slash and burn videos popular today. Keep up the winning combination.
Once again, the long wait for another capandball video was entirely worth it. Someday I hope you can do a Podewils-Linder.
That's in the plans
You are so smart sir, love your history lessons. I really enjoy your talks on tactics and Austrian and Prussian War history. More of these please! I feel there is not enough videos out here on the subject and I would love if someone could point me in a good direction to any channels or anything like that!
I have never know that the rimfire cartridges were reloadable! Now I can look at the firearm history from completely new angle.
Great video. It has a combination of some of my favorite things: military history and history in general and guns/shooting. The information was detailed and knowledgeable as always. Definitely one of my favorite channels.
Excellent video! I always enjoy your history lessons, keep up the really good work!
Great video. I love old ball and cap guns as well as old military guns.
Excellent demonstration as always.
I have watched several of your videos. I have enjoyed them and subscribed to your channel. Thank you so much.
Excellent, thank you. This locking system seems much sturdier than the Trapdoor cam. The Berdan conversion, I think, used an inline striker, which also acted as the locking bolt.
The quality of your videos is amazing! Love your work!!!
Superb video, love the silicone gel, that was impressive. Great history lesson. 👍👍
A Lorenz rifle that turn into breech loading and better than the Prussian needle guns. Feels like Austria knows how to manufacture guns
2 years too late however
@@MrSven3000 True
it's so crazy that this gun is more accurate than my M95/30. Just amazing.
your videos have really given me a new appreciation for these kinds of rifles
So nice to see that piece and just how well she does. Excellent video, thank you.
Dude that's so freaking cool love this channel
Love these videos. I'm extremely happy that you've been able to get your hands on these rifles and keep them in such amazing shooting condition. Keep up the good work my brother.
I'm unsure if anyone else has said so... but one of the primary reasons bayonets were later mounted under the bore rather than to the side was the escaping gas at the muzzle would hit the bayonet and cause an impact shift when a bayonet was fixed.
It may have been hitting slightly to the left as the sights were regulated/adjusted with a bayonet fitted.
A gun both elegant and fast. And as always, great content.
Very nice, thank you. I've got one of these at home, alas in non-shooting condition - for now. But we'll see what can be done about that at some point.
Gorgeous, and I mean gorgeous rifle. Interesting cartridge as well I own a trap door and would love to shoot this baby.
Can you make a video about the Chassepot needle rifle? I hope it is the time to touch on it. And I think you have one.
I have one, so why not! :)
@@capandball Then I will hope your next episode of firearms is about the Chassepot! :D
Although I am late to the "party", I will write something.
Indeed an interesting video.
The Wänzl trapdoor is unusal, to not have a minor locking system. Allin, Albini- Braendlin, Terssen all have a minor lock.
I think also the Millbank - Amsler only have one lock, although that is the main lock, and it is not conected to the hammer but to the operating rod.
The tight fit between the trapdoor block and the reciever, can however provide it from open easily.
Extremely entertaining and informative video. Keep the good work!
In America the patient for the trap door rifle is held by Erskine S.Allin. Dated 1865. But I’m still not sure who did it first.
i realy enjoyed this very much and i thank you for your gentlemanly professional presentation,
Many thanks for your excellent presentation
Beautiful weapon, beautiful video very pro.Excellente channel..
I have one of these that I bought off eBay over 15 years ago in 6 separate auctions. It's missing only the extractor and locking plunger. Though cut down to carbine length, it is otherwise in excellent condition and I'm determined to shoot it one day...now to find the rimfire ammunition.
Very thorough and enjoyable presentation.
As always volley fire was desirable back then. Good shooting and demonstration of historical manuals
Did you listen to this video at all? Please do not compare European changed tactics with US ones.
Good shooting and great video production
Amazing, as usual. One can learn a lot watching you.
Many thanks, bro..!
Regards..!
Interesting rifle. Main problem trying to shoot one today is reloading for the rimfire cartridge most are chambered for. A bit of a pain, but it can be done.
thank you sir for uploading!
greets from germany!
I see in this rifle that there's no extractor like these Springfield trapdoor
I love these style breech loaders
Outstanding as usual! Many thanks.
This is great stuff. I'd hate to be on the receiving end of that round. Very nasty. Also this rifle is accurate at closer ranges. Your videos are always in good quality and informative.
This was a fantastic video
Excellent video as always.
Always Like Your Videos My Friend You Shoot a Lot Of Antique Firearms I Never See Anywhere Else But Museums 😀😊😀 Thank You 👍🏼
Please don't write like that, ever. Thank you.
I love your UA-cam channel and your the history that you talked about it is awesome thank you very much
That is one beautiful rifle.
AMAZING footage at 20:03! That was cool to see.
Very similar to the trapdoor.The Wanzl has advantages of the spring hold open of the breechblock, something that has always irritated me with my 50/70 and 45/70.The positive lockup is better also.The Springfield has spring ejection, which is better. Both are worthy attempts to create modern breechloaders from obsolete surplus muzzleloaders.
Very nice. It would be great to see a replicas built in a modern cartridge. Very nice indeed.
Brilliant, very informative, very well made. Thank you.
Another good gun channel ...
Amazing content!
Greeting from Brazil!
That's a nice rifle. I'd take that over a modern rifle for sure. Beautiful craftsmanship.
Very nice video as always :) thank you
I love your work. The reason for keeping the same trajectory, was so that you could continue to use the old sights. These conversions were possible because of their low cost.Just think of the change between 1842 and 1868 on range and rate of fire between smooth muskets and breach loading rifles.
sights - and training.
That was wildly fantastic. You are of course a very good teacher, a great subject, I can't ask for better. But I can ask for more. ;) I own a couple of pre turn of the century rifles. A 1888 Trapdoor Springfield, and a 1876-1880 Peabody Martini in .43 Spanish, and last reproductions of the Remington Rolling block and Sharps. Both in 45/70. So I somewhat understand the thoughts of that era on ballistics. I have become a bit infatuated with the .43 Spanish as an excellent round for the time frame. I believe it would be a very interesting video if you would pick the rifle of your choice and evaluate it as a military round and hunting capabilities. I would like to add I have been sub'ed to your channel for as long as I can remember and want to thank you for hours of excellent content. You can take credit for my deep interest in the era and weapons.
He has some neat stuff !!
Excellent presentation, and superb gun zen.
First time I’ve come across your channel. Very excellent, Great video!
I really envy your access to all these neat old guns.
Beautifully done video, as always mate
Always on point !!! Great content
Excellent historical video,
Really GREAT video.
Thanks.
Absolutely brilliant, wonderful content beautifully presented.
best raifal and good handal man. I like raifal per govt parblam
excellent video
Premium Content, so very interesting! Awesome, thank you!
At 300 paces the hits to the body and the one to the jaw most likely were lethal wounds. If the round hit the External or Internal Carotid Artery the person would most likely bleed to death before the Bandsmen/ Corpsmen/ Medic could get to him. If by chance he did get medical attention the chance was still good of not surviving the wound. The other wound, a lung shot, would be lethal in most cases using 1860's medical knowledge . The third wound may be survivable if you can beat infection. Now with that said people have survived everyone of these wounds even without modern medicine. Great Videos!
Good video, informative and entertaining.
Where you been man?
writing book
@@capandball when can I buy it from Amazon?
@@ironstarofmordian7098 We'll see. I was finishing a manuscript about Napoleonic tactics for my University, finished a book in Hungarian about the Wänzl, and now I am working on an English book for Osprey about early military rifles. In the meantime an English book is edited about 17th century cavalry tactics and firearms. So quite a busy time.
@@capandball Neat, will you be announcing on your channel when your book for Osprey comes out? I am a big fan of their books & would like to purchase it.
@@capandball sounds like an odd book I picked up in German. All about the vetterli. Guess I get to translate. Don't underestimate international demand for your book. The more odd the gun, the more we need information to understand how they were made, how they work, production dates, ammunition types , etc
loved this video and European type of historic guns there close to the designs of the progression of our guns in America we took what was good form European designs what were good and tactics and you guys took what made our guns designs that worked for use and add to your own fantastic trap door style off rife much to our own spring filed musket conversions
Looks like this one works the same as the Trapdoor Springfield.
Exactly what I was thinking! I love these transition-era guns because it’s so neat to see how they kept ancient elements, like the shape of the stock or location of the side plate and lock, but then upgraded them with the first generation of metal cartridges. I own a trapdoor Springfield and still marvel at how they managed to take huge numbers of 1861 rifled-muskets and convert them into something modern.
@@catachandevilfang its the result of efficiency and necessity. Both the US and Austro-Hungary did this after large wars for both of them, and it made more sense to convert all those muzzleloading rifles to breech loading cartridge rifles.
It's not like they did that on purpose , or considered it advantageous .
Contemporary with the Big Army using the 1866 Springfield , two States armed their State Militias with Remington Rolling Blocks in the same chambering .
The Remington was better rifle in every respect except one
The Trapdoor was cheaper .
@@filianablanxart8305 Well, the Remington had a problem in the dust tests the Army ran. The Peabody was actually better than both of them. In the end the Trapdoor won out due to cost considerations.
Gorgeous rifle.
I heard that aload of these ended up with the Chinese Boxers.
Would love to have that confirmed.
First rifle I fired was a Trap door breech loading 45-70.. I was 9 years old.. That thing would punish my shoulder. As I could hardly hold it steady..
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I will look into that, Thank you.
Great video, sir.
Echt ein spannendes Thema... Schwarzpulver und Ballistik.... Von Vorderladern k kann man bei dem Gewehr ja nicht mehr reden...
Super interesting video.
Thanks for another awesome video. I really appreciate your research and investment in to the weapons and time to make the videos.
I SAT DOWN TO SMOKE SOME POT AND WATCH THIS AND I SPACED OUT SO HARD I FORGOT TO SMOKE...