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- I have thoughts about Amazon's Fallout show, let's have an Atomic cocktail and talk about it. Very special guest in this one!
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00:00 - I just watched Fallout
00:39 - The Atomic Cocktail
03:30 - Fallout show review
05:45 - The performances
07:33 - SPOILERS START NOW
10:31 - Ghouls
12:00 - The trick up their sleeves
13:57 - These things were missing
16:51 - Wrist mounted Pip Boy 2000
18:35 - END OF SPOILERS
18:36 - Tim Cain's Request
20:14 - Tim Cain's show review
20:41 - The "real" Atomic Cocktail
23:41 - Nuka Colas coming soon!
The Atomic Cocktail
Build in a shaker
1.5 oz. or 45 ml. Vodka
.75 oz. or 22 ml. Peach Schnapps
1 oz. or 30 ml. Simple Syrup
1 oz. or 30 ml. Mango Juice
.25 oz. or 7 ml. Blue Curaçao
Spritz of Absinthe
1 cursed caffeine pill
Add ice and shake
Garnish with a cherry
The "real" Atomic Cocktail:
Build in Mixing Glass
1.5 oz. or 45 ml. Vodka
1.5 oz. or 45 ml. Cognac
1 tsp Sherry
Add ice and stir
Strain into glass
Top with champagne
Garnish with an orange twist
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You Tim Cain links go to a 404 for me
You got Tim cain on your show wow
Regarding the Snake Oil salesman
What if he’s just got a very small quantity of FEV. Mix this with… other shit, and boom you have slow burn Ghoulification
@@AlyssMa7rin I think it’s the drug Hancock took to become a ghoul in 4, or the healing factor mutation in 76
@@jack040 Same here
Tim Cain himself has said the pipboy was always supposed to be wrist mounted, and in the second game during the trials you can’t use it because you are not “wearing” It, and I can’t imagine how mad fans would be if they changed one of the most iconic props so drastically.
It also outright says it in the manual of the first game
I would have lost my mind. I love the Pipboy
@@mr.magnum1867 And the second game.
“i know that four loko was banned, but like, this is just one loko” 😂
Un Lokito
god, i remember being in college and going on 4loko runs with my friends at 3AM
Wait 4 loco was banned?
@@cxfxcdudeIt still exists but they had to stop making it with caffeine in it
Having Tim Cain come on was such a fucking surprise and delight. Tim if you read comments (I kind of hope not), you're the fucking man.
"Vault-Tec Plan D Econo Savings Pack" is the best dark joke in the whole series and I absolutely love it.
Tastes like banana, apparently.
"So its meth but its weed" with the willem dafoe hands is hilarious
Beatniks loved their stimulants, just read a Jack Kerouac novel
Legit thought they were just a parody of mentos in an altoid tin this whole time. I remember all the other drugs had IRL equivalents already too so it wasn't like one was unaccounted for to be mentats either.
@@Gilthwixt1 I thought they were essentially just xtc polluted with a significant dose of amphetamines.
"What's a Mentat!?"
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
Piter!
Dune reference in Fallout is hilarious!
@@Sarafimm2 the tv show had heavy axlotl tanks dune reference as well.
I was looking for a reference to them! Bonus points for quoting that, BTW!
This. This is what I needed
in fairness, the show only stated that Vault-Tec was willing to drop the bombs if they had to, not that they definitively did. in New Vegas, Mr House even says that his "predictions" on when the bombs would fall was off by about 20 hours, meaning maybe Vault-Tec was planning to drop the bombs that day but someone beat them to the punch. something still went wrong, someone wasn't behind the wheel.
Canonically theres a lot of evidence they did. There was a theory that the motivation was Vault Tec was testing it all to go to space
It also makes some sense when you look at money as just a means to amassing authority, and if they wipe out everyone that isn't them it makes them the only authority around. It's still psychotic realpolitik nonsense, but Fallout has always been about satirizing that.
Also isn't it like a consistent thing where the bombs dropping wasn't just like... MAD going off in the games? I know in FO4 there's the bar where the people met to literally have a party leading up to the bombs dropping, which they knew about ahead of time, as an End of the World party.
it would make sense that even if they DID launch a single bomb, theyd have a way to stop it, just as a scare tactic to force more sales
About the Ghouls! In Fallout 4 you get a companion named Hancock who is a chem fiend. His whole purpose in life is to do as many drugs as possible. As you rank up affinity with Hancock you actually learn that he was a regular human who did a ton of drugs until one day some strange man sold him some chems he said would turn him to a ghoul! Hancock being Hancock knowingly took the chems and did that to himself! So not only did the bombs create the ghouls, some people have learned to manufacture a drug of some sort to Ghoulify others and I find the shows expanding on that fascinating!
Also the pre-war crime boss Nick Valentine was hunting down turned himself into a ghoul and hid away in his own personal bunker.
I feel like ghoulification is just a combo of rads and chems that some people stumble into and others learned to synthesize.
@@TheBerzerkerlord you mean Eddie Winter? Nick Valentine was still a human, before the institute took his brain and placed it in a gen 1 synth, before being thrown away. Also he's a detective/pre-war police officer.
Hancock is a G and a real bro. One of my favorite followers
@arandomguy6067
They're not talking about Nick himself, they're talking about the crime boss he was after.
That intro though! HtD, HtD never changes!
Thaaaaaaankkkkk you!
@@howtodrink Great minds think alike.
I just made a similar intro (I love the burning paper look) in After Effects for a Fallout Theory video I'm editing right now.
As a southwestern denizen, I’d wager that given its color the nuka victory is prickly pear flavored. Which is to be fair, something you don’t see often out of the southwest because it frequently has a mild flavor in the same way a dragonfruit sometimes just tastes like plant water.
Dragonfruit sucks IMO. Tastes like nothing.
OOOH like a weird artificial jamaica or other agua fresca…
@@Sniperboy5551it is a very nice palate cleanser. Especially when it's cold
Prickly Pear is around in NV as well, it's a pretty good consumable in survival mode.,
I recently had a prickly pear flavoured beer (Schöefferhofer) and it was not for me.
Love it or lump it. The Pipboy is iconic. There was zero chance of them removing it.
There's always a chance, always a choice.
As far as I know, Pip-Boys have always meant to be on your wrist. I think Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky mention it during a live stream they did.
I don't know that the show was trying to specifically imply that ghouls come from that drug. My takeaway was just that that specific drug was such a messed up cocktail of garbage that it had the same effect as whatever messed up nuclear exposure typically turns people into ghouls.
I might just be an idiot and rationalizing something they didn't mean, but eh... it works for me at least.
In Fallout 4 during the Nuka World DLC there’s a ghoul who has a friend who was working on an inoculation against feralisation, which could be the reason they have vials to repress symptoms of feralisation. As for Dr. Chicken Fucker, I think that the cocktail of experimental drugs that are in his bag accidentally throw a large amount of rads that mix with the post-war irradiated genes in wastelanders to create a ghoul like experience.
I don't think they were saying that, I think it was harkening to the ghoul in fallout 4 who was turned by experimental drugs., and the fact that many perks in fallout games reference becoming ghoulike
I definitely agree that it wasn't intended to be an end-all, be-all explanation of ghoulification.
I'm in the camp that Maximus just THINKS he's turning into a Ghoul and doesn't know any better. FEV is one of the few things shown to have that kind of regenerative properties. I'm leaning that it's far more likely they didn't know what it was, but that he might show up later as a Supermutant.
@@Madman6884 Thaddeus, not Maximus, but yeah, possible. Edit: Oh wait, I misunderstood. Yes, definitely possible.
The only other person who could play The Ghoul is ironically Timothy Olyphant.
You're right; we should remake Justified in the Fallout universe.
I had the same thought!
I think he'd play it differently but would still probably nail it.
Well that's a cameo I want to see in season 2 now.
Exactly where my thinking went.
Tim Cain! His UA-cam channel is an absolute treasure trove for anyone interested in Fallout or just game development in general
Regarding your gripe about Vault-Tec being responsible for the bombs, to be fair that's not what the show said - just that they were talking about it. I even heard somewhere (can't remember who or where or if it's even canon) that an unknown *someone* beat them to it. Also, the reason they had the idea was that they would then essentially own the world (or at least America) after Reclamation Day. Made perfect sense to me.
Conspiracies are dumb
Odds are that's what the show is gonna do with how they are framing it. If that's the case, they now made Mr. House look dumb with how they involved him in it. Because if he knew when it was gonna happen, then how did he not get his upgrade on time and saved more of the surrounding area. Also, the whole point for Project Safehouse was to experiment for long term space travel for future planetary colonization. It wasn't "for profit," more for specifically self preservation. Because when the dang world ends, money ain't gonna be worth anything.
@@howtodrink Alright, fair enough, but I liked it.
It’s still ambiguous as to who dropped them, we just now know that Vault-Tec was also planning it. I’ve seen someone float the idea that the reason House was off by ~20 hours in his prediction could be that someone else jumped the gun in any of the possible aggressors.
The megaton bomb has the vault tec logo stamped on it
We gettin a fallout ramble? Hells yeah.
Oh I do a ramble
Must’ve been a damn good drink
On the Vault Tec thing, it's always implied that the Enclave was puppeteering Vault Tec and a few other companies like they were the highest levels of government and the military. I see it completely fitting that the Enclave had a plant (most likely Coop's wife) that pushed the idea of pulling the trigger. Plus in fallout 3 the Vault Tec logo is literally on the bomb in the center of Megaton.
Regarding the satellite, I don't think they're replacing China as the main rival to the US. In many games you come across soviet messages and old military assets that were spying, just not to the extent or threat of China. So it would make sense that a Soviet spy satellite crashed
No its not though. imma need you to got replay the game bubba. cause its not the vault tec logo.
@@kronostvxyou need to go outside bubba.
It's not the Vault Tec logo on the bomb in Megaton
Nice to see Tim Cain on the show
They didn't retcon ghouls, chances are it's FEV he had. Small amounts may cause ghoulification (Harold) and large amounts like giant vats or constant exposure to it, result in Super Mutants, the Master, etc...
Yes I assumed it was FEV related
Harold wasn't a ghoul, he just kinda looked like one.
But they did retconn that ghouls need to take some drug/radaway to not become feral and also the fact that they are much harder to kill. They retconn even their own lore from Fallout 4. A kid survived the blast in a fridge, became a ghoul and then didn't become feral for more than 200, but ghouls from show can't stand more than a couple of days (Cooper) without it.
Unless they will directly state that there exist two types of ghouls.
Also come on, a chicken diddler being in possesion of FEV, its good he didn't came up with GECK in his lower left jacket pocket and platinium chip in the right one.
@@themaniomarian We'll never know what he has/had.
There was a pre war outbreak of an early version of FEV called the new plague - references to it occur in the older games and in the point lookout DLC and some terminals in Hoover Dam. New plague + Fev can be assumed to be responsible for many of the shenanigans in the wastes.
Totally, I fully expect it's FEV, but Lucy obviously has no idea what a Super Mutant is, and Maximus and Thaddeus didn't recognize it for what it was yet since it was so early in the process.
The show’s 2077 “feels like” to me what we see at the start of Fallout 4, where we see “well to do” families and how they live. So they definitely leaned into more of the Bethesda games (T-60 armor design, etc.).
I feel like the serum that turns the BoS squire into a ghoul isn't necessarily the only method of "ghoulification". I feel like FEV being introduced pre-war, in some MK Ultra adjacent conspiracy, or a super-soldier experiment at Mariposa all remain as possible ways for a person to become a ghoul, not just chicken fucker's tonic. Who knows, maybe the loser just got his hands on FEV and started shooting people up for the hell of it.
FEV was developed Pre-War as a defense against future plagues. One of the bombs landed directly on the facility, scattering an irradiated form of FEV across the planet as part of the nuclear winter, which caused minor mutations in humans, and was likely the cause of the irradiated creatures like Yao-Guai, Radscorpions, and the like. (And the exposure of those on the surface also made them unable to be turned into Super Mutants, which is why the Master was after Vault Dwellers for his army.)
@@Janoha17 It's not that surface dwellers couldn't be turned, it's that they were largely inferior due to resulting mutants being on the dumber side. Those that had large radiation exposure were even dumber.
The rest, though, dead on.
Will add, however, that for the case of ghouls (for the original comment) it is prompted primarily by radiation. Hancock's account implies there's another way that makes the body respond this way, but given that he looks like other ghouls it's likely the drug he got was extremely irradiated.
IIRC Ghouls being caused by radiation has been founded in Fallout lore for awhile now, and I think they were trying to imply in the show that guy was just a peddler that made some fool drink radiated sludge. And as far as who dropped the bomb first it was never founded in the lore as to who did first but it had been a fan theory for awhile now that Vault Tek did it.
Yeah, the bombs dropping didnt matter in the end, its just trying to survive in wastes
Cant blame people that are either frozen, ghouled, or long dead
Ghouls are created by radiation exposure, but it's not the actual parent cause. Decayed FEV got released into the atmosphere, which is largely why everything is mutated to an extent. It's not pure like the stuff from facilities, but it still has enough mutation-inducing ability to prompt changes in creatures. Humans seem unaffected, but it's still done something to DNA that causes changes in response to certain stuff, in this case being radiation.
@@DracoSafarius im pretty sure this guy has been deleting comments cuz I keep being notified when someone comments on this and I have no idea why besides that I may have commented on this before
@@DracoSafariusthis is actually somewhat debated, the fallout Bible consistently swaps between “FEV did everything” and “Radiation did everything”. The last has Avellone, who wrote most of the Bible, say it’s radiation that causes most of it, with FEV being reserved as an explanation for the more “out there” mutations. I know Tim also wanted everything to be radiation, he has an entire video about it. Of course given the fallout bibles dubious canonicity and the fact the topic isn’t even brought up that much in game, it’s been a cause of tons of debates, it’s definitely an interesting topic.
I don't believe Vault Tec dropped the bombs, I believe they just mentioned it at a possible contingency in case things DIDN'T happen. I don't think Betty would initiate the drop of the bombs without knowing exactly where her daughter was in an effort to secure her safety.
The caffeine pill as a meth substitute is golden😂
I actually over caffeinate as a way to focus my ADHD so I don't have to get Adderall. Even with a prescription it's a pain in the ass on drug tests while in the military. So caffeine over meth for my mentats makes sense.
I saw that last little tasting note for the Atomic Cocktail. You literally cannot make me stop save scumming, and I never will. It's way too much fun.
Great video, as always. Love your stuff!
16:51 You can't remove the Pip-Boy 3000 due to biometric locks. Not sure if they go over it in the show but it's mentioned in Fallout 3 during the Lone Wanderer's 10th birthday
So once you put it on you can never wipe with you right arm again. Even more reason for you to hate it.
Never thought a How to Drink episode would make me think back to the wonderful, oppressive ambience of the Fallout 2 soundtrack.
I understand your perspective with Vaul Tec. Though just because they're floating the idea, it doesn't guarantee that they were the ones who pulled the trigger in the end. The showrunners could be playing with us here. But if you're more frustrated at the motivation in and of itself, one could posit that with their insider knowledge, Vault Tec saw nuclear fallout as a statistical inevitability, and that by speeding up that process just a tad, they could outmaneuver both America and China to become the prime architects and leaders of the new world. A kind of self-serving fatalism. Though I think the irony is that even they were too late, and it is still possible that we'll never know who let the bombs fly. Drink looks tasty btw
Man, its so fun to listen to you ramble about something youre passionate about. I was always kind of hoping you would combine the media reviews from the second channel with your show, it feels so natural and works really well! :)
Gonna get super nerdy here. The thing about the pip boy is that it was always intended to be wrist mounted. That literally goes all the way back to the manual for the original Fallout (which is all written in-universe). In the pip boy section it say "The RobCo PIPBoy 2000 (hereafter called the PIPBoy), is a handy device that you wear on your wrist." It actually bugs the crap out of me when people think the pip boy 2000 is basically a tablet that you hold in your hand, because that's never been the case and is actually lore inaccurate. That idea just seems to be this weird Mandela Effect that some OG Fallout fans have developed. Not singling you out or anything, just speaking in general.
I’ve spoken to people actually involved in development of the game. It seems whoever wrote the survival guide felt it was wrist mounted, as far as I’ve heard that was far from universal.
Just wrote similar comment about the manual...
I also always thought it WASN'T wrist mounted! TERRIBLE idea!
Then again who said it was supposed to be a good idea? User-friendly product?
@@howtodrink Who would have thought I'd find that piece of info here...XD Thanks! Very interesting!
Honestly these are my favorite episodes. Just talking about something you're interested in with an on theme beverage.
"it's just one loco, it's ok" is a great line
omg I love Tim Cain's game dev advice channel.
"I have a drinking channel but I really just wanna talk about fallout" I'm here for it.
She SUGGESTED they do so. It doesn't mean they did. Oxhorn recently did a deep dive video discussing this, AND one from FONV that also talked about various theories about who hit the red button.
Also, the immortality drug is more likely to be FEV.
Or the healing factor from 76
@@roan9914huh yeah it could be a mutation serum
Or it could have been a sample of the drug that family in 4 was extracting from their father who had that crown
@@davidmathieson8661its not, it's just a retcon
@@leonrussell9607 I don't understand how you, or Greg, can legitimately think that one scene of some Wild Wasteland encounter with a weird, probably FEV serum peddling, crazy dude was somehow implying that that's how ALL ghouls are created, or even how a significant portion of them were created for that matter.
We don't even know if it's ACTUALLY turning him into a ghoul, or if that's just the only thing Maximus knew to compare it to. We're talking about a character who doesn't even know what ejaculation is.
I always love your fallout drinks! Had to watch this episode immediately!
I it's never stated by the Doctor that Thadeus was a Ghoul, Maximum just assume that's why. BUT people are having a pretty good theory that Thadeus was given F.E.V. and that's why he heals so unnaturally fast.
greg talking about anything scifi or nerdy at all is my favorite
are we headed toward a world where Greg is the first person to be canonized in both D&D and Fallout?
I was a little bummed about the lack of creatures. Also! There was a cameo…of Todd Howard. He’s one of the ghouls that thanks Lucy for letting them out. A bit telling that they had him cameo but not one of the classic actors like you suggested. A bit of a bummer too.
I think they blew their creature budget on the gulper. There will probably be more next season. And Johnathan Nolan mentioned that they deliberately stayed away from some things (like a Perlman cameo) to save some bullets for later seasons.
People hate Todd Howard these days 😂
Lol didn't know it was him 😆
@@Sniperboy5551 I should be clear that I do not hate him, I think he has a different vision of what fallout should be than me, but he’s the one with the keys 🙂 I still like f3 and 4
@@Sniperboy5551 Starfield was worse than Fallout 4 in terms of gameplay and the narrative improvements weren't really enough to impress anyone.
Loved the episode, Tim was a wonderful surprise! I'm very in line with your assessment of the show as a fan of the games.
You know, I knew Tim Cain was a fan of yours, and when I saw this, I thought "I wonder if Tim Cain's going to make an appearance". Very cool that he did!
I don't think the show actually confirmed the bombs were Vault-Tec. But I think it did show that their aspirations had moved beyond just cashing in on selling vault space, and instead into how they could steer the future of the human race. Went from simple capitalism to megalomania.
Edit: NUKA COLA EPISODE
The megalomania does fit the scene, however. Can see what is almost certainly Enclave members overseeing the meeting, and this could be before Vault Tec was kicked out of Enclave plans for salvation which prompted Vault 0.
Enjoyed the low angle. Felt conversational.
A wise man learns production tips from wherever they appear 😂🙏
4:20 Omg as a music composition student myself, to say I adore Mark Morgan's composition in the original 2 fallout games is a MASSIVE understatement.
We get drinks AND a whole-ass review?! Hell yeah, need more of these type of videos in my life
I don't think Vault Tec actually dropped the bomb, lest you assume she was perfectly okay with setting off nuclear armageddon before getting her daughter to a vault.
agreed. I wonder if china does it because a leak happened
That doesn't help make their plan any more sensible, I just don't think the show out and out confirmed who actually dropped the bomb.
One theory I’ve seen floating around is that they wanted to drop a single bomb and basically kick it off, but someone else did it first. The idea is taken from a line Mr House says in FNV about the miscalculating the end of the world by 20 hours.
@@onekeithtomany It very likely is meant to mislead and connects to something you can learn in New Vegas, a particular character will tell you the bombs went off 'early' by some 20 hours compared to what was expected/predicted. So it might have been that Vault Tech was posturing they were 'prepared' to drop their bombs, thinking it would mean prolonging the pre-nuclear panic, but in reality if the Chinese learned this they would have decided a pre-emptive strike was the only option
The chicken guy isn’t the only source of ghouls. It is canon that radiation causes ghouls. And just because Maximus said he thinks he’s a ghoul doesn’t mean he is.
Crazy that this is a UA-cam channel about themed alcoholic drinks and you've had the single most succinct and interesting review and discourse I've seen about the show and a knowledge of anything before FO3... and I follow so many fallout specific channels. Greg, you're fucking awesome. Thank you for making this.
Excellent intro! I was pleasantly surprised. Love it.
Drinking the original Atomic Cocktail almost makes you wish for a Nuclear Winter..
Counter point for Vault-Tec's "Big Plan" [SPOILERS]:
Vault-Tec deciding to drop the bomb themselves actually makes perfect sense to me when you really consider the world of the 2070's.
You have to remember that around that time there was basically an international incident the equivalent of the Cuban Missle Crisis occurring pretty much every week. The thought of Nuclear War was not a fantasy, it was a reality. Nuclear technology was already being actively deployed on the battlefield in smaller yields, and tensions with warring nations only got more intense over time.
The end of the world, to the people that were really smart enough to see the full picture, was simply inevitable. The idea of mutually assured destruction had already deteriorated, and what little philosophical safety net our politicians had in real life that prevented them from pressing the big red button was already fast unravelling throughout the 2070's in Fallout's timeline.
If you're a massive tech company like Vault-Tec or RobCo and you know the end of the world as we know it is close to 100% inevitable, priorities will shift from short term profits to long term legacy. If continued existence in the world that we know is no longer possible, then the only logical conclusion would be to preserve the company for a world where it is.
The entirety of Vault-Tec's management was frozen inside Vault 31. Every board member, every major shareholder, every floor manager.. that's a lot of important people with a lot of important jobs to suddenly put on ice overnight, and logistically speaking, its a very real possibility not everyone (if anyone) would be able to make it to the vault before the bombs fall. You'd need a lot of notice to move and freeze that many people, and a lot of notice is not something you get with Nuclear War.
If, then, the goal is to give Vault-Tec management the highest possibility of success of survival.. and the world is going to end anyway... does it really matter who drops the first bomb?
From a cold, corporate perspective, facing certain annihilation.. I could see being the first to drop the bomb as being an acceptable, calculated risk necessary for the preservation of the company.
That said though, I'm not entirely convinced Vault-Tec actually DID drop the bomb in the show... don't forget the person who suggested dropping the bomb in the first place was Cooper Howard's wife, and the first bombs fell while Cooper was performing at a birthday party.
I'm sure its possible that shortly after Cooper discovers his wife's plan with Vault-Tec that they divorced or separated, but Cooper's daughter was also with him at the party, and even after a nasty divorce I find it VERY unlikely his wife would allow her daughter outside a vault when the bombs fall, unless she was also cut off by Vault-Tec for some reason, like some kind of corporate double cross.
All I know is I can't wait for season 2 =P
Walton Goggins is fantastic. In terms of who else could do it, maybe Sam Rockwell could do it... maybe...
Timothy Oliphant, also of Justified, could probably have done it as well.
True, but Goggins is Goggins 🫡
@@Aencii Walton Goggins really sells how shady the Ghoul has become over time, though. I feel like Timothy Oliphant I think would've been *too* sympathetic in a way. It really would've played well in the prewar stuff, but I think he just would've been too dang relatable as the Ghoul through no fault of his own. I am HERE for a character that is basically Zombie Boyd Crowder though!
Love the format, it's like a mix between midnight local and htd.
The theory that vault-tec dropping the bombs has been a theory for a while. And the explanation is that they would be the saviors of mankind and (if everything went to plan) they would be able to monitor every vault experiment from thei main vault(fallout 2 i think).
Ghouls are usually made from instantaneous or slow exposure to radiation. The serum to make ghouls was also used in a previous game, and there have been instances where people intentionally ghoulify themselves to become immortal. I would not be surprised that a random quack doctor using a hyper radioactive serum mixed with some radaway or whatever that drug they needed to not go feral in the show.
Good drink, I also hope to see more laser weapons and more about the setting in Season 2.
No way! I was going to say Tim Cain has a review of the Fallout TV show that came out 3 days ago that this episode Greg probably hasn't seen based on how shooting schedules work. Then, we get a Tim Cain cameo!
The Desert Inn was also definitely the thematic inspiration for the Lucky 38, being owned by Howard Hughes and being his reclusive hideaway
Walton Goggins was amazing. Even the way he added that nasal lisp/whistle sells the look so much
Awesome video! I would love to see more adaptations of videogame cocktails!
Timothy Olyphant. It's the only person I can think of that could replace Goggins in this role. Darnn,, Justified was good...
i dont think the ghoul juice thing was intentionally ghoul juice. I figured he just gave him something with an insane amount of radiation since he's a snake oil salesmen
Some people think it might be some sort of FEV tincture as we haven't seen any mutants yet in the show
Feels like the healing factor serum from Fallout 76.
Yeah the healing factor from 76, or the drug Hancock took to become a ghoul in 4
@roan9914 there is Eddie winter from nick Valentine's quest too who specifically says he got it from a scientist freind
I took it as this as well. That the tonic he took had a ridiculous amount of radiation.
Love the special intro for this episode, it was a nice little treat! Glad you took this episode to nerd out a bit, always love your pop culture takes. Not too keen on the new angle you used, felt like you were looming over me too much
The show didn't explicitly say vault tec dropped the bomb, it heavily implied they had a hand in it.
I like this direction. Things your passionate about, the enthusiasm comes through. The low, intimate angle. And of course, the guest! Loved this episode.
I think that Vault-Tec dropping the bomb is less about making money than it is about the idea, which is sadly very present in today's society, that business leaders should be in charge of everything--that they are entitled to control everyone else. It makes a lot more sense when taken with the inclusion of vault 31, which is full of "junior executives" that are supposed to control the surface when it's safe for them to do so
15:14 Aye lmaooo Nate The Rake, getting leaves by the bags 😂😂😂😂
Your fallout episodes are some of my favorite and it's amazing Tim joined you. Excited for nuka cola, I think we've all been waiting on that episode since sunset sarsaparilla
to be fair moira is a special case,like what a prewar citizen is expected to be.
I could see Bruce Campbell as the Ghoul.
Too goofy sadly.
@@userJohnSmithShame. That would’ve been…groovy!
@@gamemasteranthony2756 Yeah. I just don't the rest of the show would have worked. He'd have been great but the moment he was off screen...
So happy to see Tim on the show! I love his channel ❤ this was fun to watch. I binged the whole show in 3 days 😅
i was not expect tim cain but what a cool guest!
But we kind of do know what makes ghouls, most ghouls are people from pre war times that didn't die, but were mutated by radiation after the bombs fell, you can find the Vault Tech representative from the opening of Fallout 4 during the game who is now a ghoul, and you turn Moira into a ghoul by accident if you choose to blowup megaton in Fallout 3. I think its more likely he has been turned into a Super mutant which were initially made on purpose using a drug that causes rapid evolution
I understood that the weird "Potion Seller" (you are not tough enough for his strongest potions) isn't the sole reason that ghouls exist more that he probably used ghouls and/or some weird radioactive thing in his potions and ghoulification is just a side effect.
As for the bombs, Vault-Tec being the people who pushed the button is just stupid, in the games it's most likely to be the chinese (pushed back to beijing) with the slight chance that USA f'd up. If anything V-T seems more reasonable to have tried a scare tactic that ultimately resulted in the superpowers nuking themselves.
Fallout 4 has shown with Hancock that there do exist certain drugs that can ghoulify someone on purpose as well.
I'm also not absolutely sure that the drug they're taking isn't just Jet, or a form of it. It's not like there are a whole lot of ghouls around, and the existence of a business centered around said drug implies that enough people are taking it that selling it would be profitable.
Potion Seller, I’m going into battle and I need your strongest potions
@@Nikki_Catnip not gonna lie, when I first read that I saw "Potion Seller, I'm going to Seattle" but in the context of Fallout that might be worse than a firefight lol
i think the thing i love with the pipboy is that its the idea from before "what if you had the computer on your arm, always with you" AMAZING :D
its one of the parody-things i love in fallout
Watching you nerd out with with one of your idols brought me a lot of joy. Tim Cain was a delight and I would totally try the first drink.
I like how there's so many sources for ghouls.
My headcannon is that constant radaway usage and exposure to nuclear powered devices like robco robots and cars and the like interacted to create the old world ghouls.
New ghouls are from radaway and low level radiation from where the bombs hit.
Having it be a drug works too though.
I'd push back on there not being many old world people around. Mr. House, Raul Tejada, Codsworth, Fawkes, Liberty Prime, Harold, The gangster guy who Nick really doesn't like (possibly the first ghoul), the ghoul who owns Cait, Nick Valantine himself kinda, all of vault 111's residents till whathisname steals the baby, and more I'm forgetting.
Sure they're not common, but every town seems to have one or two hanging around.
Yeah Coop's time looked nice, but there is no war in Hollywood (riff on there is no war in ba sing say).
Plus the news clips all showed bad stuff happening, but because it was a kid's party they kept changing the channel away. Later in the show they could've showed how bad it was getting though.
Greg is looking at Fallout 1 and 2 with nostalgia glasses. Definitely an age thing. And his generation. Most of us grew up on 3 and further, so the goofiness is something we come to expect of it to some degree.
To be fair, 1 had some goofiness and 2 was littered with it.
2 is one of the goofiest games in the franchise I have no clue what Greg here is smoking.
Hi Greg!
I'm really liking the new low and wide shot you've got happening. It suits your character well!
I recall reading Tim Cain, said that the original intention is that china saw us making FEV, a bioweapon. They asked the US to stop, the US said okay, but continued developing it behind closed doors so china nuked us. I like the idea that maybe vault-tec leaked to china that the us was still making bio weapons, and I hope the show does that. Doors still open for them to elaborate on the whole vault tec dropping the bombs. Besides, the meeting in the boardroom isnt just vaut tec, its all the major corpos, the oligarchy. The oligarchy and the Federal government (the Enclave) created the vaults for their own benefit so that (according to Tim Cain) they could develop space ships for the Enclave to escape to find a new planet to live on. The Vaults would give them the information they need for long term isolated space travel.
Vault Tec did not drop the bomb, they escalated behind the scenes to cause increased tensions, which is canon.
If I recall correctly fallout 4 touched on ghoul juice. Radiation did it yes for most but John Hancock said he became a ghoul from a concoction of extreme drugs
Love how much a fan you are!
This Tim Cain appearance is just fantastic.
Obligitory "oH? nO vIeWs?!? FeLl OfF!" comment for the algorithm to pick this video up. Love your vids dude 😊
Vault tech dropping the bomb does make sense. In the games, there are various bombs with the vault tech logo on them. And their end goal was never to sell vaults, they wanted to colonize a different planet. They used the vaults to perform experimentation on different populations to use the data to help them colonize space
My understanding is that “colonize space” was a defense dept directive, not a business decision. “Vault tec, we need you to build these bomb shelters, but also we don’t think earth is gonna be liveable long term so…”
No so much vault tec saying “you know where we can make money? Other planets! Places with no customers!”
@@howtodrink fair enough, I hadn't thought of it like that before
@@howtodrink I think Bethesda's been leaning way harder into the conspiracy angle for Fallout with things like Aliens and the Institute, so I figured that Vault-Tec was doing shadowy conspiracy things just...because? Vault-Tec doesn't make a lot of sense as a for-profit company; why have all the vaults doing experiments after the world's destroyed and nobody's left to collect the data? What product would they make from the Gary clone experiment?
I am more and more glad that I did not play FO4
@@howtodrink why not?
Fun fact: we built the Assaultron seen in the show (ep.2) and currently have 2 new versions we are running around cons at 😉 We celebrated by binging the series eating BlamCo Mac and Cheese from the cook book and drinking you Sierra Madre Martini!
We CAN pin down the end of Cooper’s timeline pre-ghoul as he’s there with his daughter the day the bombs fell. October 23, 2077.
You don’t know where all the other pre-war scenes are happening. Nolan and Joy *hate* telling people when things happen. But it’s all within 2-3 years of the bombs I think
Gotta correct an assumption here. Vault-tecs business was/is research. Its front was building vaults in order to trap more research specimen. Whether or not they dropped the nukes for in-game lore is unknown, but I could definitely see them doing it based on some of the vault overseer entries
Vault Tec is a defense contractor. That's always been the case, it's in all the printed material for Fo1 even. The government was the customer for the vaults. Part of their mandate is to do experiments on residents to determine the best methodology to build a colony ship to migrate the species off-world, because the earth won't be habitable for ever. That's all within the scope of their work for the government. The idea that "Vault Tec just DOES EXPERIMENTS" like Cave Johnson is some bethesda wackiness. The work these companies do would always be grounded in actually making money, and "Lets just do some science" wont' cut it.
@howtodrink I'm going with what Bethesda has been showing here, but they've setup vault-tec to do many projects that would lose money simply to get more test subjects and they were actively shown to be more about gaining power and becoming a shadow emote that controls everything. The part that is still never explained is whether they will exist, but to me, they still exist and have been doing the long con for power similar to the Enclave.
@@howtodrinkHow about Tim Cain's own videos, specifically "The True Purpose of Vaults" since you enjoy his company so much? Last I checked Cain never worked for Bethesda.
Tim Cain! I would have dropped to my knees saying. I'm not worthy! over and over again.
damn it I meant to use that clip and forgot
I really liked that you talked about 1 and 2
YOOOO when Tim Cain popped up I got frisson tingles hahaha that's amazing
One of the themes for Fallout as a whole series is "the old world is dead" but a theme that's also concurrent is people from that era, as well as their descendants, trying to bring back those old world ideals to create their "ideal" thriving societies. Every time you see someone come in to a position of power, they're following old war ideals. So the large amount of pre-war characters who are still alive is honestly not that bothersome to one of the themes of the franchise. It's very on brand for Vault-Tec as well as the government as a whole to have contingencies like that in place. Try to keep the old world as alive as possible.
I don't agree. I always felt the theme being: "Times change, world change, people die and people are born, but war never changes."
Bringing back people from before the war demolishes that.
You can now point fingers at evil people in power in Vault-Tec destroying the world, then coming back 200 years and nuking settlements yet again. Clear villain. Whole before all off that it was left unanswered who dropped the bomb. Was it USA, was it China? Maybe it was aliens?
No, it was Vault-Tec with support of many other corporations to make a "profit".
It is no longer about people not changing, it is about the same bad people doing bad things pre-war and then much, much later.
Vault Tec being behind it all is a concept I don't like but it was intended to be like that way before this show. Back in the old InterPlay days the games writters were going to do a Screenplay on a Fallout movie and that was the main plot, also Vault tec being Enclave (but that I'm not certain).
Got any info on this movie script? Because this comment is the first I've ever heard of any of this
@@howtodrink A UA-camr called TheEpicNate315 made an analysis video about the “Vault Tec started the war” theory a few years before the show.
He mentions this script in that video, and I think he details his sources.
@@howtodrinkIt’s on the Fallout Wiki called Fallout Film Treatment. You can read the PDF there. It’s not a script, more a story outline.
The quote in question:
Hero is tempted by semi-mutated women all trying to get their hands on his pristine bodily fluids, but Hero uses time alone, to continue his Pip-Boy chronicle and contemplate the trio's dire predicament. An ancient, self-proclaimed Historian approaches our Hero, wanting to know all the details of Vault 13. Turns out the Historian is writing the definitive book on WWIII. Vault 13 is the final chapter -- each vault was populated by upper-middle class families buying the equivalent of timeshare in the future. Our Hero asks how the war started and is shocked to learn that it wasn't China or
North Korea or India that fired the first strike. The first nuclear bomb was launched by the creator of the vaults, a zealot businessman who wanted to fulfill his own prophecy of world annihilation. That first bomb triggered a panicked chain reaction among other countries, leading to a four hour WWIII.
@@howtodrink It definitely was not back in the Interplay days, because Tim Cain originally planned to have China drop the bombs after discovering that the USA was developing FEV and being more horrified at the prospect of widespread FEV use than a nulearwinter
Woah, plot twist at the end 🔥
You are on the money about the show. You perfectly explained what I felt was lacking or my problems with it. Loved the Tim Cain cameo as well.
Again, the games have TONS of old-world organizations running things (The Enclave, The Institute, etc). I swear it seems like he's never played the games, or wasn't paying attention when he did.
Seriously. Every take is... Tone deaf.
1: Vault tech dropped the bomb in an unmade movie from the original game producers. 2: in the TV show, it never says they did drop it. It says they suggest they WE did. It could be we as in vault tech or we as in the USA.
3: Ghouls are not changed, they are expanded. They are still ambiguous.
There were almost no retcons.
Having Tim Caine in this made me smile.
complete aside to the rest of the episode (it's good!) I wanna tell you I love the close in, just kinda hanging out camera you had for the review section!