Jim Cornette on Vince McMahon's Bad Gimmicks In 1996

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
  • From Episode 291 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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  • @MilMaska
    @MilMaska Рік тому +51

    "Dr. Issac Yankem ... Because I guesse. Vince had a bad dentist appointment that week" - Jim Cornette

  • @maitreyas.4902
    @maitreyas.4902 Рік тому +26

    "The Traveling Man" - always on vacation sending in vignettes.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому +2

      Reminds me of a YT video I saw with some guys doing promos as their would be personas..IF..they were real wrestlers some dude called “The Vacation” at the end of his promo he tossed his laptop into the tropical waters because fuck it he’ll buy another one he’s “The Vacation” 😂

    • @TimeBomb014X
      @TimeBomb014X Рік тому +2

      Jokes on Brian, Vince would have come out in speedos and wrestler as a slippy lazy wrewtler who gets beat, essentially Orange Cassidy if he was booked logically

    • @turkishjanitor3666
      @turkishjanitor3666 Рік тому +6

      (in Howard Finkel's voice) From Around The World, weighing in at 230 pounds, The Predator From Paris, The Milan Mauler, The Terrorist From Timbuktu, The Bali Brawler... "The Traveling Man", BRIAAAAAAN LAAAAAAAAST!

    • @plaidmoon5642
      @plaidmoon5642 Рік тому +1

      It's a good thing I wasn't drinking my water when Brian said that, because I would have done an epic spit take.

    • @Speedyreedy1218
      @Speedyreedy1218 Рік тому

      ​@@turkishjanitor3666 Does The Stalker Barry Windham do a run-in?

  • @Chaz4543
    @Chaz4543 Рік тому +24

    Yeah but back then he was at least throwing everything against the wall to see what would stick. After he beat WCW and the Attitude era ended you could clearly tell he stopped caring. In 1996 you could tell he was still heavily invested, good or bad.

  • @CraigCairney83
    @CraigCairney83 Рік тому +96

    Remember watching WWF Superstars in ‘96 and one minute you’d see Austin, then the next it would be the Goon and T.L Hopper. Truly a strange time. To think what the company would go on to become inside the space of two short years.

    • @ohiopigeon
      @ohiopigeon Рік тому +13

      and then how it would make a joke of the whole business of the next 20 years.

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 Рік тому +2

      @@ohiopigeon 😆😆😆😆😆

    • @sweetpetergeda
      @sweetpetergeda Рік тому

      Austin won't important in 1996 😅 don't try it

    • @sweetpetergeda
      @sweetpetergeda Рік тому

      ​@@ohiopigeon exactly 😅

    • @TeddyKGB12
      @TeddyKGB12 Рік тому +4

      ​@@sweetpetergeda can you try that comment again in English, please? I don't speak inbred rube. "Austin won't important in 1996"???? WTF does that even mean???

  • @parsons79
    @parsons79 Рік тому +55

    I remember when WWF had that call in show LiveWire, someone called in and asked why they were bringing in wrestlers and changing their names/gimmicks specifically Tom Brandi/Sal Sincere. I remember they cut that guy off quick lol

    • @markv1274
      @markv1274 Рік тому +4

      @@James-if3kc I remember that. Jim Ross on commentary then said, "I'm a _baaad_ man!"

    • @Speedyreedy1218
      @Speedyreedy1218 Рік тому +1

      Barry Windham didn't even get a new name. He became The Stalker.

    • @Speedyreedy1218
      @Speedyreedy1218 Рік тому +2

      @@James-if3kc The Stalker is a gimmick, not name.
      Isaac Yankem is a name. A dentist is the gimmick.

  • @ThymeKeeper
    @ThymeKeeper Рік тому +14

    The Cronkite thing is a common urban legend. According to Yachting Magazine, "Over the course of his life he owned several boats, including a Westsail 42, and Camper & Nicholsons 60, a Sunward 48, and a Hinckley 64 ketch, all named Wyntje, after the first woman to marry a Cronkite in the new world."

  • @whydoesthisexistpod
    @whydoesthisexistpod Рік тому +13

    A guy whos always on vacation and cant be bothered to show up for his matches might actually get heat

  • @DementedDistraction
    @DementedDistraction Рік тому +36

    Yeah...the choice to revive the LWO thing is puzzling to me.
    It was a niche gimmick from the floundering days of WCW, and even now they had to squeeze Eddie's 'VIVA LA RAZA!" at the start of the theme in order to get a cheap pop out of the crowd, so they're not even cheering for the stable, they're just happy to hear Eddie's voice.

    • @athleticfan33
      @athleticfan33 Рік тому +6

      At the end of the day, it was a parody in WCW. Ya, it started as angry Latinos who felt ignored, but it was a parody of the NWO (obviously). Now it's "serious", yet they have done nothing significant. I love all the members but it was lams to just throw the shirt on them.

    • @maxpayne7312
      @maxpayne7312 Рік тому +2

      @@athleticfan33 I wonder if it’s because they aren’t getting the same reaction they got while in NXT so they just came up with the idea to revive the LWO
      And they’re probably trying to cater to their Latin audience

    • @athleticfan33
      @athleticfan33 Рік тому +2

      @@maxpayne7312 Probably. Why not throw Los Lotharios in as well? They're doing less than nothing atm.

    • @athleticfan33
      @athleticfan33 Рік тому +2

      @@James-if3kc Hard to argue with all that.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому

      ..ok, but when was the last real cheer not from tape in WWE? Its a snoozefest

  • @brycemcneil4404
    @brycemcneil4404 Рік тому +11

    0:20 "It *doesn’t* happen more often than it does that way." Very well put. Honestly if Ted didn’t bail for WCW, who knows how long it would have taken for Austin to overcome Vince's blinders on the best way to use him.

  • @henrygvidonas9573
    @henrygvidonas9573 Рік тому +9

    "The Goon" was one of the absolute dumbest ideas ever. Why would anybody who isn't a complete idiot show up for a wrestling match with "skates" on his feet, barely able to walk properly (if they were real)? Might as well have a wrestler who walks on stilts or has roller skates on during a match. Or a baseball-themed wrestler who wears a catcher's mitt as a "weapon" for a chokeslam. It's mindboggling how asinine it is.
    It's like Vince McMahon had no understanding of how anything in the real world works.

    • @texpatriot8462
      @texpatriot8462 Рік тому +1

      Wild Bill Irwin was a good wrestler as well.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому +1

      ..the real world...like today where 5.0 midgets turn up to win pretend Fights against 300 pound enemies.

    • @derrickc3173
      @derrickc3173 4 місяці тому

      He was literally just playing around with these people like they were toys. Giving stupid gimmicks as if these people didn’t have bills to pay

  • @jeffnettleton3858
    @jeffnettleton3858 Рік тому +6

    Dibiase injured his neck in Japan, which led to the end of his in-ring career.

  • @PreacherJenkins
    @PreacherJenkins Рік тому +87

    As Vince has gotten older he has been boiled down to his true self, bad writing and gimmicks and loving and pushing muscular and/or giant men.

    • @joe_higachi
      @joe_higachi Рік тому +15

      Muscular men has been the draw since way before Vince

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 Рік тому +13

      Also, demeaning all the Black performers.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 Рік тому +2

      ​@@joe_higachi MIss the point often or always?

    • @joe_higachi
      @joe_higachi Рік тому +16

      @@yoholmes273 you’re the one bringing race into it. Is that the point you always make? 😂😅

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 Рік тому

      @joe_higachi Erroneous statement, you clown fool.
      Welcome to real life where Vince is known to be prejudiced and even go so far as dropping the N word live on RAW because he thought it was funny.

  • @RobVanDelay_WholeFnContest
    @RobVanDelay_WholeFnContest Рік тому +5

    I think Vince was more concerned with selling action figures than anything else

  • @danlord7717
    @danlord7717 Рік тому +12

    Slick was always taller than most of the guys he managed.

    • @chrischar9428
      @chrischar9428 Рік тому +2

      Weighed a buck 20

    • @mrg8581
      @mrg8581 Рік тому +7

      And had the best theme music. Jive soul bro.

    • @clivet3252
      @clivet3252 Рік тому

      You could tell Slick was tall, so he didn't make anyone look small. And Jim is right on DiBiase. Everyone knew he was a wrestler so it didn't matter that he was a big guy.

  • @vycanismajoris6871
    @vycanismajoris6871 Рік тому +10

    Maybe not in the 90's, cant remember, but seeing Terry Taylor, a legend, coming to the ring screaming cockadoodledoo with a red stripe on his head was the most embarrasing jawdropping moment at the time. Vince on drugs. Period.

    • @boscopappas234
      @boscopappas234 Рік тому +2

      If you think Terry Taylor is a legend now, fine, that’s your perspective. But he certainly was not yet a legend when they gave him the Red Rooster gimmick in 88-89. If they had not saddled him with that stupid gimmick he would have had the opportunity to make a name for himself in WWF. He almost certainly could have feuded with Rick Rude, Bret Hart, or Mr. Perfect for the IC belt.

    • @ItwasMenotU1234
      @ItwasMenotU1234 Рік тому +2

      It’s funny to hear Bruce try to defend the gimmick. Idk who it was but someone had a problem with Taylor’s ego because it was said that he felt he thought of himself as good as Flair. So Vince supposedly wanted him to be like a rooster, the cock of the walk or some shit. You have to UA-cam Bruce’s video on it to get a better understanding of the stupid idea behind it. He definitely could’ve been IC midcard type and not jobber guy.

    • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
      @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma Рік тому +1

      @@ItwasMenotU1234 For that Wrestling's Most series they did the 5 worst gimmicks and I think the Rooster was #2, and EVERYONE in the vid said Taylor was exactly the sort of guy that would get heat with the office for not knowing how to shut his damn mouth and get buried with a dumb gimmick. The vid is on YT, probably on the Kayfabe Commentaries channel.

    • @clivet3252
      @clivet3252 Рік тому

      @@ItwasMenotU1234 When he debuted he was a heel with a Flair style gimmick. It was only later that he turned face and made the rooster comb out of his hair and started acting like a rooster. I think there could be some truth in him not understanding the gimmick and taking it too literally, so they made him a comedy face.

    • @Speedyreedy1218
      @Speedyreedy1218 Рік тому +1

      ​@@boscopappas234 Don't forget Windham being The Stalker.

  • @Halbared
    @Halbared Рік тому +7

    and I mean that...seen-cerrrr-lee!
    Ron Simmons also got one of thee, Faarooq Asad and his ahem, 'gladiator' outfit from Fisherprice.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому +2

      Howard Finkle: “HIS OPPONENT..accompanied to the ring by Sunny…from Harlem GREECE! 🇬🇷 275lbs……….”

  • @jessepaiz6356
    @jessepaiz6356 Рік тому +7

    In 1992, grunge music came along and killed any cultural touchpoint Vince had with pop culture. That was 30 years ago. As much as we all hate Russo for his shit booking, he was able to successfully drag Vince McMahon into the 90s. Then somebody was able to drag him into the 2000s during the beginning of the ruthless aggression era. That was like 15 years ago. The WWE has been entirely out of touch for 15 years.

  • @ameliastencil6058
    @ameliastencil6058 Рік тому +4

    I'm one of the few that loved The Ringmaster

  • @Weezy232
    @Weezy232 Рік тому +2

    Just having a hall of famer in your corner doesn’t equate success. See Baron Corbin and JBL

  • @taylork7530
    @taylork7530 Рік тому +7

    Take out “in 1996” and this video turns into an Omnibus.

  • @CornPopodopolis
    @CornPopodopolis Рік тому +2

    Remember the Truth Commission and that big ass guy with the neck the size of a grown man waist. He didn't quite pan out I think he became one of the Oddities

  • @sugartbube
    @sugartbube Рік тому +2

    Just to think. Austin, The Rock and Kane careers could have died before it started

    • @cdmit27
      @cdmit27 Рік тому +2

      That's true for most anybody that's stepped in the ring

  • @bryskyline
    @bryskyline Рік тому +4

    Actually Irwin has made a bit of money off the Goon gimmick , in the last few years

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому +1

      Bugged out seein him in his Cowboy Bill Irwin shit in Dallas..way more dignified by comparison

  • @rl318
    @rl318 Рік тому +1

    Many of those gimmicks were terrible, but at that point, some of those wrestlers would not get over it. The Ringmaster was bad (allegedly, they wanted Benoit for that spot, but he went to WCW), but Austin knew enough to work that until he could find something else. And Mankind looked like a joke on paper when Foley left ECW, but he was able to get that over (working with Taker helped a lot), and he was able to turn that into doing whatever he wanted.

  • @thebudgetgamer
    @thebudgetgamer Рік тому +2

    This could be a whole series with every year represented

  • @getbn6547
    @getbn6547 Рік тому +7

    0:27 Censoring Jim is a crime punishable by being forced to watch the Brawl for All on repeat for a month

    • @henrygvidonas9573
      @henrygvidonas9573 Рік тому +2

      Are you going to reimburse them the ad revenue they would lose through demonetisation if they didn't "bleep" the "naughty words" in the first few minutes of a video?
      Yeah, didn't think so. This has been explained a million times. The full-length audio version is uncensored, you can get your F-word fix with that.

    • @MarsofAritia
      @MarsofAritia Рік тому

      @@henrygvidonas9573 i thought everyone uses an ad blocker these days. you'd be insane not to lol.

  • @tomh1593
    @tomh1593 Рік тому +2

    Some of the worst gimmicks ever were created by Vince.

  • @mrg8581
    @mrg8581 Рік тому +1

    I liked the Goon. For as ridiculous as that gimmick was.

  • @mikejejenich-pb5zx
    @mikejejenich-pb5zx Рік тому +1

    Not just 96. The red 🐔 rooster. Was ridiculous. The gobbly goober. Dink. 🤡 and doink. Dr issac. Yank em. 🦷. The list goes on and on 👋

  • @ashleyquintanar727
    @ashleyquintanar727 Рік тому

    Thank God for the Facebook group for these questions

  • @stu9856
    @stu9856 Рік тому

    Mason The Mutilator, The Ringmaster, Rocky with Ribbons & Fake Diesel/Isaac Yankem. Great job Vince with these future Champs

  • @Paulthompson9942
    @Paulthompson9942 Рік тому

    I remember Slick being taller than almost all the boys, when he was with Gang and Bossman they were only an inch or two taller than him

  • @MrJjburgess11
    @MrJjburgess11 Рік тому

    I missed alot of those bad gimmicks in 96. I didn't have cable for a little over a year. Also missed the early nwo stuff. Had to hear about it through friends. Finally got cable back in the summer of 97. When wwe was really starting to pick up for the better.

  • @krahniumblue5150
    @krahniumblue5150 Рік тому +1

    It would've been nice if the lwo returned in 2005 when four of the original members were on Smackdown.
    But kudos to Rey and Zelina if they can make it work in 2023.

    • @Speedyreedy1218
      @Speedyreedy1218 Рік тому

      What's the gimmick? I get they're Latin. But What's the point of the stable?

  • @jamiewalsh9184
    @jamiewalsh9184 Рік тому +10

    Jim and Brian can 100% make a 10 hour video on all the horrible WWE gimmicks through the years

  • @benespinosa6725
    @benespinosa6725 Рік тому +3

    Lol The Stalker Gimmick that they Gave Barry Windham in 1996 sucked T.L Hopper was terrible remember when he steve Austin and Brian Pillman were all Backstage watching bret hart accept stone cold's challenge for the match at Survivor Series 1996 best part of that was Brian Pillman clapping in excitement and Austin's face was priceless lol

  • @patrickpavone6294
    @patrickpavone6294 Рік тому +6

    Freddy Joe Floyd
    TL Hopper
    Salvatore Sincere
    Alex The Pug Porteau
    Who?
    The Goon
    The Stalker Barry Windham

    • @Halbared
      @Halbared Рік тому +5

      Good list; also, Faarooq Asad in his dayglo romper suit with fully detachable styrofoam helmet.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому

      @@Halbaredstill looked better than Hogans Helmet 😂

    • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
      @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma Рік тому +3

      Tekkno Team 2000, Man Mountain Rock, Abe "Knuckleball" Schwartz, Avatar, Xanta Klaus, Mantaur...

    • @patrickpavone6294
      @patrickpavone6294 Рік тому

      Phantasmo has entered the chat.

    • @Halbared
      @Halbared Рік тому

      @@patrickpavone6294 WOw, I'd forgotten Phantasmo.

  • @bigron8896
    @bigron8896 Рік тому +1

    Love the show. Minor caveat. Mr Cornette is an expert in wrestling, and I don't know anything about wrestling in comparison. I know some things about money. With all due respect to Mr. Cornette, he's 100% wrong on LWO. I live in a neighborhood in NYC where I've seen about a half-dozen of those shirts whenever I walk outside. They're $$$. So I checked. LWO is top selling t-shirt for the 3rd week this month.

  • @LongLiveRockAnRoll
    @LongLiveRockAnRoll Рік тому +2

    Vince always loved cartoon gimmicks and over the top roided guys because it's what worked for him in the 80s. He held out with that until WCW had been kicking his ass for quite a while.

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 Рік тому +1

      The Attitude Era was still filled from top to bottom with cartoon gimmicks. It was just handled better.

  • @SirCrazyPretzel
    @SirCrazyPretzel Рік тому

    As bad as some of the gimmicks of the 1990s were, I'd still take that product over the modern day "they went 2 minutes and then went to the break" formula over and over again

  • @tommyfraz.
    @tommyfraz. Рік тому +1

    I’m surprised that they didn’t make the “Ringmaster” an actual master ring maker. He could have had these
    Giant rings he’d hide, and hit his opponents with 😂

    • @SpiralPoliFemboy
      @SpiralPoliFemboy Рік тому +1

      Here's a hot take. The ringmaster gimmick would've worked better on Dean Malenko. Should've saved the gimmick for 4 years later. Would've probably lead to Malenko getting the Upper Mid Card run he deserved in WWE. He was the best worker in the world and very believable as well as entertaining in ring. He cut good promos when he just kept it short and off the cuff rather than scripted.

    • @mc12358
      @mc12358 Рік тому

      Or have the Ringmaster be a frustrated heel wrestler who can't win any matches. Finally he snaps, and starts dismantling the ring in the middle of his matches whenever his opponent starts gaining the upper hand.

    • @SpiralPoliFemboy
      @SpiralPoliFemboy Рік тому +1

      @@mc12358 Russo is that you? (JK)

    • @mc12358
      @mc12358 Рік тому

      @@SpiralPoliFemboy Bro, not even close, bro 😀

  • @jamesgroover4643
    @jamesgroover4643 Рік тому +2

    The gimmicks: you're a.... plumber..,.garbage man....barber.,..poet laureate/genius... goon... prison guard....model... Widowmaker...you know, after Raw and Smackdown nowadays...it wasn't so bad!!

    • @adamandanna
      @adamandanna Рік тому +1

      @@James-if3kc as shawn michaels said these are not gimmicks they are occupations. got to love the late 90;s funny stuff

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому

      Totally...I'd take any gimmick over the pretend wrestlers out of mammas basement today. Only gimmicks I never felt at all where red rooster and blue blazer

  • @SpaceGhost92
    @SpaceGhost92 Рік тому +1

    Shawn Michaels gets shit on for his title run but just take a look at who he had to work with. Laughable

    • @Speedyreedy1218
      @Speedyreedy1218 Рік тому

      Mankind, Diesel, HHH, Sid, Vader, Bret, Bulldog
      He had some good matches in 96 with those opponents.

  • @mikejejenich-pb5zx
    @mikejejenich-pb5zx Рік тому +1

    The goon 🥅 🏒. The repo man. 🚙 🚘. 🤣👋

  • @AAAA-lt9hq
    @AAAA-lt9hq 4 місяці тому

    1993-7 was a dark time for the WWF.
    Top stars had left for WCW. There was a lack of new ideas.
    Mostly, kayfabe was definitely dead due to the 1994 steroid trial's exposing the business.
    The then-new Internet only allowed people to further speculate and focus on behind the scenes drama as opposed to what was going on in the ring.
    In this environment, nearly any gimmick would appear fake. Getting over, especially with cartoonish gimmicks from the past, then was going to be tough.
    All my respect to the men and women who did their best to make things work in a tough time for wrestling.
    What saved wrestling was Austin and Rock's success was in their ability to seem real in a medium everyone knew was staged.
    It worked because Rock and Austin were just playing exaggerated versions of their real-life selves.

  • @KenRising1996
    @KenRising1996 Рік тому +1

    1996 for the WWF was both a Blessed and Cursed year I'll admit it was better than 1995 WWF

    • @KenRising1996
      @KenRising1996 Рік тому

      @@James-if3kc More so Shawn Michaels eventhough he was a Asshole throughout 96

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому

      May just be growi g up but 1996 was just he year I started to not care anymore about wrestling

    • @KenRising1996
      @KenRising1996 Рік тому

      @herzkine well WCW did include the debut of new Cruiserweights, The NWO, Crow Sting and ECW was being brought more into the light

  • @DavidRagan3134
    @DavidRagan3134 7 місяців тому

    1:55: "One thing that old Sh*tstain used to say that I agreed with..." Why's no one mentioned Jim agreeing with Russo? 😂

  • @tomschoening2210
    @tomschoening2210 Рік тому

    Huntley and Brinkley

  • @joeriveracomedy
    @joeriveracomedy Рік тому

    Because there are no L.W.O. fans in Los Angeles or Puerto Rico. No high spanix or lacleanex there.

  • @cdmit27
    @cdmit27 Рік тому

    His thoughts on the new LWO were pretty much in line with mine. Don't see a point in it

  • @AshKetchum-br4lv
    @AshKetchum-br4lv Рік тому +1

    WWE is so bad and unwatchable. I mean come on, hiring writers with no knowledge of wrestling?

  • @TeefrmGA
    @TeefrmGA Рік тому

    Fortunately, I was out of the country in 1996 to 98. My mom would tell me how bad it was at the time.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому

      Yeah 96 ...when gimmicks started to die out..was bad indeed :D

    • @oceanshrugs9235
      @oceanshrugs9235 Рік тому

      97 had some bangers

  • @AlwaysOnDeck
    @AlwaysOnDeck Рік тому

    The LWO is sort-of a cash-in, because of Puerto Rico (and their upcoming Mexico show).

  • @Ryanonfire03
    @Ryanonfire03 Рік тому +2

    I assume if you tell Vince “I like being on vacation.” Then you come out being Waylon Mercy. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @turkishjanitor3666
      @turkishjanitor3666 Рік тому +4

      That's actually not a bad gimmick compared to the horrors Vince was unleashing upon the fans in mid 90s

    • @Ryanonfire03
      @Ryanonfire03 Рік тому

      @@turkishjanitor3666 not a terrible gimmick I guess although it went nowhere cause it didn’t make sense to the fans.
      I just ment white pants, flip flops, and Hawaiian button down shirts would become your look lol.

  • @Rockhound6165
    @Rockhound6165 Рік тому +2

    Don't sit there and think WCW didn't have bad gimmicks. For every TL Hopper and Duke "The Dumpster" Drose I can give you The Yeti or Oz or Shockmaster. In short, they all have bad gimmicks. And let's not forget that even though Vince gave us the above bad gimmicks he did also come up with The Undertaker, Mankind, Kane. I can't think of a single WCW gimmick who turned into absolute legends.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому +7

      That’s pronounced YET-AYYY 😅
      And Rafter Sting was a good evolution

    • @Dragginfleye
      @Dragginfleye Рік тому +3

      Shockmaster is a legend in his own right at least🤣

    • @Rockhound6165
      @Rockhound6165 Рік тому

      @@tobiasfarragut292 he was an evolution of an existing character. Think when the Undertaker went to American Badass to Big Evil back to Undertaker. But Crow Sting wasn't cut out of whole cloth like the original Taker or Mankind and Kane. Speaking of Kane, poor Glen Jacobs was the WWF equivalent of Hector Guerrero with the bad gimmicks he was saddled with before becoming Kane.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому +1

      @@Rockhound6165 true about him being an existing character however the quote was about him not being able to find a WCW gimmick that became legendary..you don’t think crow sting was legendary in terms of WCW 89-01…he was their flagship for most of that time

    • @TheKevinNewsom
      @TheKevinNewsom Рік тому

      DDP and The Giant

  • @cwalser544
    @cwalser544 Рік тому +6

    I remember when wrestling didn't have gimmicks, they just had people who are interesting.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому

      I don't remember that , just learned afterwards, I am totally WWF born and raised..and it was great for a teenager back then, gimme the mr perfects , bossmen, and even IRS anytime over the boring that started after the screw job. Great times.

    • @quentinkaasa47
      @quentinkaasa47 Рік тому +1

      The wrestling business has had gimmicks for most of its history, going back to Gorgeous George and even earlier than him.

  • @LoneLeeGH
    @LoneLeeGH Рік тому

    Jim is so awesome

  • @invertedname3099
    @invertedname3099 Рік тому

    Supposedly the new LWO is a huge merch mover right this second

  • @robchuk4136
    @robchuk4136 Рік тому +2

    The gimmicks that worked were the ones that weren't 1:1 jobs, but of archetypes with a twist. A viewer could recognize a Goldust or a Mankind, but couldn't quite sum them up in one word. This gave those gimmicks freedom.

  • @Dan-ni7qv
    @Dan-ni7qv Рік тому

    Only in 1996? The more that I watched WWE, the more obvious it became that Vince really isn't a creative guy at all. In all of his 40 or whatever years of head as WEZ he made exactly TWO good gimmicks: Kane and Undertaker. That's it. Every other guy that was ever over was because they were already over elsewhere (Jericho, Hogan, Savage, Piper... literally everybody) and Vince just let them do their thing. All Vince knows is Donnybrook and Mighty Mouse. He's a dullard.

  • @TPRES_74
    @TPRES_74 Рік тому +1

    You like being on vacation. Well count yourself on a permanent one pal. A

    • @jC-kc4si
      @jC-kc4si Рік тому

      The RepoMan repossessed their careers

  • @alanwilliamson6421
    @alanwilliamson6421 Рік тому +8

    I hated Cornette as a child but he's amazing as himself, he's the opposite of hulk hogan

    • @ammagnolia
      @ammagnolia Рік тому +5

      Oddly enough me and my brothers loved him and we didn't understand why. And we'd ask our mom why.
      I always thought (me being a Christian where you gotta dress up on Sundays and everyone with a southern accent was a baptist preacher) Cornette was a preacher. And that's why he dressed and talked the way he did, why he called out Michaels for trying to sleep with Bulldogs wife, and that's why people hated him because he was trying to preach. So in my foolish mind I was like.... Well this guy's one of my guys. I'mma cheer him.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому

      @@ammagnoliaGreat perspective lol I had him as the pussy at the country club cheating in tennis matches with old lady’s and hustling grandpa on the golf course..the guy that would go to the bathroom when the check came

    • @DS-bu3hk
      @DS-bu3hk Рік тому +2

      Actually, most people who meet hogan say what a humble nice guy he is.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому

      @@DS-bu3hk but how much of it is real vs Bullshit??…Hogan is a bullshitter and fabricator nothing he says including pleasantries could be taken seriously imo

    • @danielburger1775
      @danielburger1775 Рік тому

      ​@@tobiasfarragut292 And YOU know that how?

  • @kingkazz316
    @kingkazz316 Рік тому +3

    People have been asking for the LWO reformation ever since the mysterio's said they wanted to bring it back in an interview where both Rey and Dominik were wearing LWO merch.

    • @robchuk4136
      @robchuk4136 Рік тому +2

      Since the LWO was never popular, one can only conclude the Mysterios were being facetious, and fans were 'wanting' it ironically.
      Basically the origin story of a meme.
      (And the dangers of following through on every impulse)

    • @Sky_Blaze
      @Sky_Blaze Рік тому

      ​​@@robchuk4136 exactly that shit int meant to be taken seriously it was a parody and now they want me to take it serious? No.

  • @xoynialedmcesoentill6034
    @xoynialedmcesoentill6034 Рік тому

    This must be the 3rd repeated content video in 2 days.

  • @AdonisMediaProductions
    @AdonisMediaProductions Рік тому +1

    5:40 Brian is a genius! lol

  • @dantheman8152
    @dantheman8152 Рік тому +2

    Vince is a great promoter and businessman. But has he been great at creating characters 🤔

  • @swissbeats2k
    @swissbeats2k Рік тому

    1992=1996

  • @AB_223
    @AB_223 Рік тому +4

    So true. Thank God Russo joined that creative team and ushered in a new era! 😃

  • @kenshinhimura719
    @kenshinhimura719 Рік тому +1

    Duke the dumpster henry Godwin sparkplug bob holly

    • @Chaz4543
      @Chaz4543 Рік тому

      Yeah they sucked but you still remember them. Maybe because more people were watching WWE than, than during the PG era. You remember them more than people remember Heath Slater or Wade Barrett or Ted Dibiase Jr. As bad as this mid 90s WWE era was, more people still watched and cared and paid attention than the PG era.

  • @troystaunton254
    @troystaunton254 Рік тому

    Everyone including Jim likes to say shawn bret and diesel didn’t really draw as champions. Honestly when you look at the pathetic garbage Räpëy vince was putting on tv, I put it to you, those three drew every single dime that was spent on wwf in the mid 90s. Vince is the most accidental billionaire I’ve ever seen. He’s a billionaire inspire of his ideas.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому

      Agree but I hat spells ...there were no more gimmicks and from that time there was Bret and lame
      ...and in a way wrestling of today is just that..lame.

    • @teecakes
      @teecakes Рік тому

      1) you sound clueless. Shawn didn't draw in fact gates lost ticket sales when 'the boyhood dream became a reality' bc he was a smaller guy who used to be in a Tag Team and wasn't seen as big of a deal to, say, Hulk Hogan who yes had worse matches than HBK but was a bigger character.
      2) Of the 3 you named, only Bret drew any money for WWE as champion, esp when they went to Canada. But even he couldn't compare to Hogan or Andre or Yokozuna or any other larger than life main eventer in terms of drawing money
      3) I don't think you understand the concept of 'draw as champions'. A champion gets people into the building for a live event, makes the undercard guys (IC champ, tag champs, midcard wrestlers not in the main event, etc.) get seen by the people who are paying money to watch a promotion's live show. Hopefully they get over, but the people aren't paying money to see Spike Dudley fight Mean Street Posse, they paid money to see The Rock and Kurt Angle and Stone Cold-- getting to see Taka Michinoku wrestle Honky Tonk Man for the IC title in the opening match isn't 'drawing money' tho it might be a great match. HBK, Bret, and Diesel put on good matches but you can see as HBK turned heel to join DX it wasn't like he was drawing WWE any money as a babyface champ at all.

  • @pmfg11
    @pmfg11 Рік тому +3

    Amazing how the only period that McMahon had a clue was when Russo was writing the show, almost like Cornette is full of shit

  • @Notoriouswrestlingfan12314
    @Notoriouswrestlingfan12314 Рік тому +7

    It’s not till a bald Texas rattlesnake came in the picture and departure of greatest Canadian wrestler just made the best era of WWF/E within 2 years

    • @danielburger1775
      @danielburger1775 Рік тому

      Huh?

    • @danielburger1775
      @danielburger1775 Рік тому

      @@James-if3kc But Bret Hart isn't "ģreatest Canadian wrestler"...

    • @matthewl3002
      @matthewl3002 Рік тому +1

      @@James-if3kc probably a Jericho guy, who even with his constant dipshittery, a very strong argument can still be made for him. Maybe an Edgehead or Christian fan too.

    • @matthewl3002
      @matthewl3002 Рік тому

      @@James-if3kc a solid argument can be made that he’s better, largely centered around the fact that you didn’t need to push Chris Jericho to the edge to have him cut a good promo.

    • @matthewl3002
      @matthewl3002 Рік тому +1

      @@James-if3kc there’s also Edge too in the conversation for Canadian GOAT

  • @williammitchell4417
    @williammitchell4417 Рік тому +1

    James and Babydoll were just talking about Rocking Robin. Just think if Vince stuck to his guns about lady wrestling... Charlotte could end up throwing the Championship in the trash can on TNA or AEW?? "Well Vince I like to go on Vacation" worked for Iron Sheik!!

  • @herzkine
    @herzkine Рік тому +2

    Gimme the Goon anytime over those lame all the same wannabe wrestlers today.

  • @whitebathroomguy
    @whitebathroomguy Рік тому +3

    The gobbling gooker, Akeem the Dream, The Goon, The red rooster AkA the chicken Choker..😂😂😂

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому

      Akeem was racist and stupid ..but it still held more weight and he had more presence than pick out of a hat Duke The Dumpster Droese

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому

      It was back then, and I am German, might have a bad history but are a lot more laid back to questions of race...but even as a kid I thoughts..holy moly is that gimmick racist :D

  • @tammyforbes2101
    @tammyforbes2101 Рік тому +1

    Heck just the fact they made money and turned it into a billion dollar business shows they did something right!! Vince crammed it down your alls throats until you couldn’t live without it and paid to see it or paid to own a piece of it through merch or whatever!

  • @ElPerroBigoton
    @ElPerroBigoton Рік тому +1

    1:54 what was that? 🤯

  • @thebatmanwhoposts9600
    @thebatmanwhoposts9600 Рік тому

    The LWO have been the top merch sellers 3 weeks in a row just in case anyone was wondering.

    • @cdmit27
      @cdmit27 Рік тому +1

      That has more to do with nostalgia than the current version

    • @thebatmanwhoposts9600
      @thebatmanwhoposts9600 Рік тому +2

      @@cdmit27 nostalgia for what? The original LWO was literally only around for a month nobody has fond memories of it.

  • @GregHuffman1987
    @GregHuffman1987 Рік тому

    Shidd

  • @tylando313
    @tylando313 Рік тому

    There was bad WWF writing back then, there’s bad WWE writing now. The product can always improve and it will.

  • @tobiasfarragut292
    @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому +1

    Even if it was 95’……Mordecai 😐😑

    • @Rockhound6165
      @Rockhound6165 Рік тому

      Mordecai wasn't 1995. That was in 2004.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому

      @@Rockhound6165must’ve been a comeback b/c I first saw him on YT and the ropes were red white and blue and there was a legit jobber in ring already

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому

      @@Rockhound6165 wrong M I was thinking about Mantaur but confused it with Another legendary bad gimmick

  • @Shin-Blade
    @Shin-Blade Рік тому +4

    The New Generation era was the worst... 🤣

    • @Chaz4543
      @Chaz4543 Рік тому

      Nope. More people still watched and cared and paid attention to the WWE back than they did in the post Ruthless Aggression era which is like 2009 to today. New Generation era still had bonified stars and all timers like Bret, Shawn, Undertaker, Hall, Nash, etc. Who did the PG era have for all time stars ? Yokozuna isnt even a all time great but hes more memorable than any heel from the PG era.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому +1

      I quit right at that time, ng may have had those leftovers, but no one cared about them anymore...it's like if you said wrestling today is great, it still has Ric Flair :D

    • @cdmit27
      @cdmit27 Рік тому +2

      The more I look back on it the more I relate to Mr. Backlund losing his shit 🤣

    • @Shin-Blade
      @Shin-Blade Рік тому

      ​@@Chaz4543 Ruthless Aggression was actually better than Attitude Era but the New Generation Era was mostly filler material and bad characters. WCW was better than that and they took the old WWF guys! PG Era isn't the best but at least I can pick and choose what I enjoy.
      I don't bitch about everything like the average fan does. I find what I like and go from there...

    • @Speedyreedy1218
      @Speedyreedy1218 Рік тому +2

      ​@@James-if3kc No love for a certain Blueblood? 😁😁😁

  • @trevorgoodman4895
    @trevorgoodman4895 Рік тому +1

    Dean Douglas was a great gimmick that could have lasted longer if booked better. That's ok, The Franchise was even better.

    • @JWS1985
      @JWS1985 Рік тому

      It wasn't a bad gimmick, and I think it could've evolved into the WWF version of The Franchise eventually. He had that powerful booming voice and knew how to cut a promo.

    • @tobiasfarragut292
      @tobiasfarragut292 Рік тому

      @@JWS1985yeah but couldn’t lean on Bingo Hall cussing to draw the hate/ Heat he was perfect for ECW

    • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
      @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma Рік тому

      Shane Douglas is the shits.

    • @chrischar9428
      @chrischar9428 Рік тому

      Shoulda teamed with genius. Garbage gimmick

  • @jjbjjb273
    @jjbjjb273 Рік тому

    The nwo and stone cold save wrestling it would have gone under if not for the wrestling boom of the late 90s

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Рік тому

      But its still dead now, jim

    • @gridiron8870
      @gridiron8870 Рік тому

      @@herzkine how is it dead AEW is on Television and WWE is a billion dollar company

    • @matthewl3002
      @matthewl3002 Рік тому

      @@gridiron8870 because nobody gives a shit to watch it and they can’t make new fans. Only hold on to the ones they have.

    • @decepticonxhunter4850
      @decepticonxhunter4850 Рік тому

      @@matthewl3002 If WWE and AEW are on TV, somebody is watching them.

    • @matthewl3002
      @matthewl3002 Рік тому

      @@decepticonxhunter4850 but are they gaining viewers? No AEW’s lost 20% of its viewers in a year and WWE’s lost more than half of theirs in the last decade, it’s the same people.

  • @anthonysmith3442
    @anthonysmith3442 Рік тому

    Taylor Tyler the rooster, that truly sucked. Tyler was a great talent.