It’s funny, I’m in the process of moving to Obsidian after using Notion for about two years. Notion is great and all, but once you upload anything to it, it’s no more yours. Obsidian + Syncthing will give me back control and Data Sovereignty above stupid comfort! ✊ Edit: typo.
Any of you ever had issues syncing between different device types? I moved away from Obsidian & Syncthing to Joplin because it keeped on having more and more issues syncing certain files. Maybe due to the filename not being allowed on certain platforms. Really enjoying using a combination of code-server (for code & scripts) and joplin for general notes and tables (luv me some tables that aren't in markdown). All my data is mine and can be accessed and seamlessly synced across all devices.
@@Clarence-Homelab I have three devices synced with folder vault, I do sometimes use them simultaneously, no issues for me. I do keep daily backups, just in case.
I really don't understand why people complain about Obsidian being complex. It is literally as simple as keeping notes in TXT files stored in your hard drive. It only becomes complex if you want to. When I first started, I spent weeks using it without messing with cross-links, community plugins, etc, just as a centralised note-taking app. I never used the graph view for more than curiosity. However you soon realise the potential of the tool and how to improve your way of working with it, and thus slowly progress towards more complexity in it. TLDR: Obsidian is as complex as you wish it to be. It adapts to you, not the other way around.
This is so true, but for some people, I think the temptation to fiddle with the plugins is too great, so I can understand the need to eliminate that temptation. It's like trying to eat healthy while your cupboard is full of boxes of 100 different kinds of cookies. Some people can ignore the cookies and eat broccoli instead, while others need to actually remove the cookies from their house to achieve their goal.
I use both of them together. Obsidian is perfect for my own private notes and my own personal projects, planning, and Zettlkasten connected permanent notes. Notion is perfect for project management, transient notes, its databases, things to “explore” as opposed to concrete stuff like book notes for example.
I have almost the same, but the only thing I struggle with is all those things to "explore" sometimes feel very connected to my other thoughts and notes that reside on Obsidian. If I found a new exciting topic while reading a book, usually book notes will go to Obsidian, and a note on exploring that topic further to Notion (obviously, without no connection). I know, I can re-design this part a bit, but both their places feel natural. Only the lack of connection feels unnatural. So, I'm leaning towards Obsidian with Dataview
Since I invested in learning Emacs and using org-mode for all my notes, tasks, and much more, I stopped having this need for hopping between apps. 🙂 As long as you stick with one product, you can be productive in any. Worst thing for productivity is being on the constant productivity hunt. Spending more time managing tasks than doing them. 🙂
I agree, a lot. Even the simple question of performance makes Obsidian an obvious choice : try to search among a vault of 1000 notes on the Notion cloud, latency punishment. And this hour after hour, day after day, impossible. On Obsidian, on a average machine, seach is instant gift. You can test and compare (but you have to load 1000 notes haha)
I'm looking at "Anytype" that has the local first approach as a Notion replacement. But it lacks a good approach to self-hosting the sync server. Currently you have to build out everything on your own. They do have plans to make self-hosting the sync server much easier soon.
As far as I know, the syncing is built into the program. I have four devices connected and never had to set up a sync server. You have the option of backing up to the cloud with Anytype's server,or you can keep the data all to yourself.
you can disable ai if you want, I don't use it at all own format is quite annoying, but there's api and you can actually export all of your content if you want, as well as import it back and for the last one -- you don't need plugins, with all the inbuilt tools notion is already almost perfect, in obsidian you'd spend enormous amount of time trying to set it up the way you want, while in notion all of these tools are highly intuitive and easy to use right away not to mention that the most plugins are quite buggy sometimes and relying on them with core functionalities such as calendars and databases for projects management is not a good idea, since one day the author can just stop updating the plugin -- and you're screwed
In six months ti a year, you’re going to be annoyed by anything that doesn’t use machine learning to interface at some level. We’ve been working in the stone age as far as how to interact with data for decades. Typing and hunting for options is inefficient. Digging through notes for something in the past without at least semantic search is just plain stupid.
I have managed to get by without either, Christian. But from what you say it seems like usability and collaboration is easier with Notion while Obsidian has greater scope for linking ideas, facts and phenomena together although a slower learning curve.
I switchet to Notion from Trilium over 6 months ago and I don't regret. It's built "database-view" provides so many possibilities incl. custom calculation formulas etc., which merges both worlds - syntax based editor e.g. trilium/obisidian and excel like tools.
I really like Notion, but it felt like moving to Obsidian was a better decision for me to keep my IT-related notes in a Zettlkasten-like repo. I also like owning my notes, so sharing them with Notion didn't feel right.
hard to say notion can "replace everything" when it turns out - you can't do basic spreadsheet functionality with it - e.g. references some value (e.g. a currency conversion rate) from another "DB" into a monthly tracker of savings - requires a series of 4 or 5 convoluted steps, whereas in excel it's literally like 1 click or - when you can't make the key of the db as a date (?!!) and it's always a string
Nice video, I'm also in the process of evaluating Notion for my personal notes. At the moment it's a mess with notes in Apple Notes, OneNote, Notion, Obsidian and Bear. I would like to consolidate them all in Notion. What is a bit worrisome for me is the fact that the content is somewhere "in the cloud" and in a proprietary format (remember Evernote?). However, for the features it has, it might be worth the risk. I am definitely interested in a deep-dive on how exactly you're using Notion. I'm always looking for tips and tricks ;-).
For me, the lack of offline functionality was the reason I switched away from Notion. I really liked the tool (and still use it as my headless CMS for my website) but the fact that I can't access my notes nor write new ones if I don't have access to internet or the service is down was just too much.
Any experience with backups? For example, if you lose access to your account tomorrow, will you have your files available in a reasonable format to continue where you left off?
it's pretty decent, you can get a markdown export where also the media is linked correctly. But obvisouly all the functionality that makes notion so good is lost at that moment
My brain literally explodes because i dont know what to use. Obsidian, Appflowy, Anytype or Notion. I watched Obsidian linking your thinking and it was really complicated. Appflowy seems Like being in a pretty early stage (someone told me that), so i guess not that many Features as Notion. And Notion has no local files and people say its slow, which would bother me... Now you said Anytype, may ask what you cant do that Notion has and what it can do that Notion doesnt have?
@@xKipura I haven't used Notion in awhile so I'm probably not the best source of info. Honestly Notion probably has more features and I'm a victim of "the new shiny". The main reason that Anytype hooked me was the ability for local syncing. Not needing an external service to make it work. The idea that only I controlled my data was cool. Unlimited notes, because as long as you have HD space, you can store it. Their FAQ covers all this pretty well. Oh, and it's open source!
@@xKipura it has local mode with local sync, can link local files and has a slightly different approach than notion. but talking about cons, it lacks many features such as formulas, recurring objects, nice calendar view and grid view hierarchies
One good point of obsidian is you have the files local, so you can share the files you want with your editor (not with obsidian but other methods) and not the whole vault with your private notes
Thank you for this. I just want to take notes, plan, schedule to master topics. Versus create "new creative" ideas. I'm a Python Programmer and AI/Data Engineer. I just need to learn something, e.g. different types of AI Agents, which one is best for each use case, and how to build them in Python or using other no code tools.
It's much easier to look for a quick tour into is main possibilities while trying to understand it. It's really powerful tool and asks a lot of time, but result can be quite impressive. Public plugins can take it to even next level as well.
I moved to Notion too as it's so much easier to use, but the long term promised and still not delivered offline mode simply sucks. Might move again once my 1y subscription is over if they don't deliver the promised feature until then.
Detailed view would be useful , I’ve just done a video on Vikunja and now I’m thinking that I use that and obsidian could I not combine the two. Yeah it’s not self hosted notion but that has some benefits as well
Hi thanks. Yes thanks, I'm like you I look and run obsidian and have many times glanced at notion. please make a video where you show how you do it in Notion.
just use filesystem, sync thing and if you really want to visualize your notes process them files with awk and grep and visualize them with R. by the way the command find exists and also fuzzy finders
I'm having trouble finding an app that has the features I'm looking for. I'm looking for one that has an easy to use file list on the left and the order of the files I can put in any order I want, it has easy text formatting like Microsoft Word and it can hyperlink to local files. Notion's features look like they would be good to have when I get more experienced with it but is there any way to get it to hyperlink to local files? It's frustrating that less than 6 months ago this used to work and now apparently Microsoft has made it stop working and I can't find a way around that. I think I'd really like to use Notion but figuring out how to link to local files has been a barrier for me.
So as far as I'm concerned: Obsidian should bake-in the functionality of the top 10 or so extensions to make it a safer bet that there'll always be support and a ton of effort to fix bugs there. Notion should allow users to use their own cloud. I trust my Google Drive way more than any other cloud... Bottom line: will continue on my (so far very short) journey with Obsidian and hopefully in the future will give support/assistance in boosting stability of extensions I really care about...
Would like to see your way of notion usage. To be honest commercial license for obsidian is not a "must have" at all since all information is stored in place you decide 🤫 and only problem for group of ppl using it is to make proper synchronisation if they don't want to use payed version.
Brother i'd love to know your suggestion about building a small data center for a cloud computing service company running with Proxmox as a core system. Is it a good idea to run with proxmox as the core system? Thank you!
Hm, that's a good question, I'm going to give nextcloud another shot somewhere by end of this year and maybe see what capabilities it has compared to Notion.
Could you make a video describing how Notion can replace the “back link” feature of Obsidian? I am gravitating to Obsidian because of the visual relationship between files. Especially with the Canvas feature. I love mindmaps. Unless Notion has a similar feature.
Notion has backlinks in children pages, it can be toggled on or off. But the only way to get a relationship is if you manually create it linking the pages inside a list or similar.
Oh man Notion is just not great for a solo homelab user experience. I think for sure if you have a company of younger users, sure notion makes great sense. I care not about the beauty of what I make myself, its all about getting accurate notes down and done.
I'm editing this slightly because I poorly phrased my point. I had tried out Obsidian based on all the glowing reviews. I annoyed at the numerous plugin bugs and amount of plugins needed to configure it to my preferences. I also didn't need/want most of the extra features (like the note graph) since I just make simple notes and documentation. I decided to just use the dedicated drawio program for the rare diagram I might do. I switched to Joplin with the Joplin Enhanced plugin. Yes Joplin is worse by default, but that plugin makes it a complete experience. It makes it render MD in your typing space like Obsidan or Notion so you can get rid of the ridiculous split view. The other complaint people have with Joplin is that your documents are saved as a database. There's a built in backup plugin that can be switched to a generic MD format for storing all purpose versions of your files. For mild collaboration I can just share these. Fanboy's need to accept that I'm suggesting a valid opinion on an alternate option that works better for some people.
> I was annoyed by the extra features that I didn't need [...] This makes no sense to me. Even the file browser in Obsidian is implemented as a core plugin that you can disable. You can literally turn all of the features off except for the basic interface and turn on only the things you need. I have never before seen a more minimal base application.
@@daemonspring That's fair. I suppose it's more appropriate to say I was annoyed wading through and the extra features and figuring out what they do and how they work only to repeatedly realize I didn't want or need them. The biggest thing that soured me on the experience though was that after trying only recommended plugins, the UI corrupted and buttons and panel were in the wrong places, displaying incorrectly, and couldn't be closed or fixed without closing Obsidian and trying again. With Joplin and one added "Joplin Enhanced" plugin, I just had to toggle off the rendered MD and turn on dark mode, and I had almost exactly what I wanted. In this instance Obsidian is Photoshop when all I wanted was Paint.
Give your privacy away , i use Obsidian to keep alot of personal notes and info as well , but it all doesnt matter if i have to be online for that, i am out
I use obsidian for my finest and permanent notes (because its markdown, and my notes stays with me + search and graphs) I use notion for quick notes like a huge collector.... it collects random infos, some of these notes end up in obsidian aftet some polishing... also notion for todo list, habbit tracking, goal tracking.. notion sucks at searching notes I use physical notes for quick notes also, some of them will end up in notion or obsidian
I'm currently half way between the two. I started switching back to Obsidian recently because I hate scattering my data across different platforms. I want my NAS to be a single source of truth where everything is, but I just can't get Obsidian to be convenient on my Android Phone and iPad due to needing to use Icloud or Obsidian sync. Notion's app is far more convenient and I love the features, but I just wish I could store it locally and the lack of Linux app is so frustrating.
Obsidian is clearly not a project management app. Comparing these 2 tools make only sense in case of note taking. If you want real project management, nerver look at note taking apps like obsidian. They are not build for this. With notion you can do it. It is far away from perfect, but is able to do it.
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I'm still using Obsidian since it's just me using it and I don't really need to share the files with anyone. I did find that the best option for doing sync is to place the vault in a file sharing location (OneDrive, ICloud etc) This gives me the ability to sync across all of my devices with no additional cost involved.
You lost me at As a technical guy you got lost in the plugins! Sorry, I'm a "tech" hobbyist but even i make my own solutions. I have 3 community plugins: dataview, latex suite, iconize the rest are custom scripts I made for obsidian. Dataview counts for a lot idk why some ppl need so many plugins only confusing themselves. I have reminders for birthdays deadlines daily random quotes ivee gathered through the years. Obsidian is all I need bc it's so extensible
Moin Christian, beides tolle Tools aber zwischen deiner sehr suggestiven Rhetorik in diesem Video und den diversen jump-cuts, hast du mich gänzlich verloren.
Great video. It may have further solidified my new journey into Obsidian but that's ok. Its great to know about the alternatives and why they may or may not fit your needs.
I can understand your thinking. In my 20's, I would have been all over Obsidian....but now in my 40's - I just want it to get out of the way and let me do what I need to do, and Notion is better at that. My free time is limited and I'd rather spend it on things that interest me, instead of fighting with a writing / note taking tool, making it work the way I need it to. And....I'm rarely without internet these days so it's nice that my stuff is just there. Same thing goes with Linux distros. There's quite a few people who don't like Ubuntu because it's a bit heavier and pre-put together - to me, that's great - and cheaper than a Mac. Also loving WSL2 on Windows for desktop use where I'm not running Linux as the primary desktop.
Completely understand this move. There is no true alternative to Notion. Notion has its downsides, but it blows all the competition out of the water. And this is coming from big opensource and security enthusiast.
Hi Cristian! I believe that making separate videos for Notion would be great, and even twice as great if you describe there if there are any tools for data migration from Obsidian to Notion.
It’s funny, I’m in the process of moving to Obsidian after using Notion for about two years. Notion is great and all, but once you upload anything to it, it’s no more yours. Obsidian + Syncthing will give me back control and Data Sovereignty above stupid comfort! ✊ Edit: typo.
Yup, Obsidian with Synthing here, using it for a long time
plugins take some time to load in Obsidian, otherwise a solid option.
I get frustrated every time I try to name an Obsidian note with characters like slashes in the name.
Any of you ever had issues syncing between different device types? I moved away from Obsidian & Syncthing to Joplin because it keeped on having more and more issues syncing certain files. Maybe due to the filename not being allowed on certain platforms.
Really enjoying using a combination of code-server (for code & scripts) and joplin for general notes and tables (luv me some tables that aren't in markdown). All my data is mine and can be accessed and seamlessly synced across all devices.
@@Clarence-Homelab I have three devices synced with folder vault, I do sometimes use them simultaneously, no issues for me.
I do keep daily backups, just in case.
I use the same combination of Obsidian + Syncthing and it works like a charm on all devices I use (Windows, Linux and Android)
I really don't understand why people complain about Obsidian being complex. It is literally as simple as keeping notes in TXT files stored in your hard drive. It only becomes complex if you want to. When I first started, I spent weeks using it without messing with cross-links, community plugins, etc, just as a centralised note-taking app. I never used the graph view for more than curiosity. However you soon realise the potential of the tool and how to improve your way of working with it, and thus slowly progress towards more complexity in it.
TLDR: Obsidian is as complex as you wish it to be. It adapts to you, not the other way around.
This is so true, but for some people, I think the temptation to fiddle with the plugins is too great, so I can understand the need to eliminate that temptation. It's like trying to eat healthy while your cupboard is full of boxes of 100 different kinds of cookies. Some people can ignore the cookies and eat broccoli instead, while others need to actually remove the cookies from their house to achieve their goal.
I use both of them together. Obsidian is perfect for my own private notes and my own personal projects, planning, and Zettlkasten connected permanent notes. Notion is perfect for project management, transient notes, its databases, things to “explore” as opposed to concrete stuff like book notes for example.
I have almost the same, but the only thing I struggle with is all those things to "explore" sometimes feel very connected to my other thoughts and notes that reside on Obsidian. If I found a new exciting topic while reading a book, usually book notes will go to Obsidian, and a note on exploring that topic further to Notion (obviously, without no connection). I know, I can re-design this part a bit, but both their places feel natural. Only the lack of connection feels unnatural. So, I'm leaning towards Obsidian with Dataview
Obsidian + obsidian-livesync (self hosted sync server run in docker) is the way to go 😊
Can to tell in detail how to do it
Syncthing running in docker/homeserver?
But you still can't use it on mobile that way, right?
@TanveerKhan-tr7tb on the plugin's repo has a guide, isn't very clear but it's not difficult
Since I invested in learning Emacs and using org-mode for all my notes, tasks, and much more, I stopped having this need for hopping between apps. 🙂 As long as you stick with one product, you can be productive in any. Worst thing for productivity is being on the constant productivity hunt. Spending more time managing tasks than doing them. 🙂
5:47 huge RED FLAG indeed. Notion can't replace Obsidian for me, because i'll never put my work in the cloud and lose control over it.
I agree, a lot. Even the simple question of performance makes Obsidian an obvious choice : try to search among a vault of 1000 notes on the Notion cloud, latency punishment. And this hour after hour, day after day, impossible. On Obsidian, on a average machine, seach is instant gift. You can test and compare (but you have to load 1000 notes haha)
I always want to use Notion but it is so slow feeling…
Because it is Online. While Obsidian is locally stored.
I use both right now, Notion for work to keep track of tasks and take all of my work related notes and Obsidian for personal notes and journaling
Good idea
I'm looking at "Anytype" that has the local first approach as a Notion replacement. But it lacks a good approach to self-hosting the sync server. Currently you have to build out everything on your own. They do have plans to make self-hosting the sync server much easier soon.
As far as I know, the syncing is built into the program. I have four devices connected and never had to set up a sync server. You have the option of backing up to the cloud with Anytype's server,or you can keep the data all to yourself.
@@EastexCruiser I might try something like "Syncthing" to sync the folder across devices. I just want to avoid using anyone else's cloud, if I can.
@@GhostOpsAirsoft there's a local sync functionality, i sync it for example with my phone and it works perfectly fine
ai, online, own format, no plugins I'm out
you can disable ai if you want, I don't use it at all
own format is quite annoying, but there's api and you can actually export all of your content if you want, as well as import it back
and for the last one -- you don't need plugins, with all the inbuilt tools notion is already almost perfect, in obsidian you'd spend enormous amount of time trying to set it up the way you want, while in notion all of these tools are highly intuitive and easy to use right away
not to mention that the most plugins are quite buggy sometimes and relying on them with core functionalities such as calendars and databases for projects management is not a good idea, since one day the author can just stop updating the plugin -- and you're screwed
In six months ti a year, you’re going to be annoyed by anything that doesn’t use machine learning to interface at some level.
We’ve been working in the stone age as far as how to interact with data for decades. Typing and hunting for options is inefficient. Digging through notes for something in the past without at least semantic search is just plain stupid.
plugins are a red flag for me as they pose a huge, albeit rare, security risk
I have managed to get by without either, Christian.
But from what you say it seems like usability and collaboration is easier with Notion while Obsidian has greater scope for linking ideas, facts and phenomena together although a slower learning curve.
Two things. 1) Your discord link is expired. 2) How did you go about moving your obsidian notes to Notion while maintaining properties?
I switchet to Notion from Trilium over 6 months ago and I don't regret. It's built "database-view" provides so many possibilities incl. custom calculation formulas etc., which merges both worlds - syntax based editor e.g. trilium/obisidian and excel like tools.
I really like Notion, but it felt like moving to Obsidian was a better decision for me to keep my IT-related notes in a Zettlkasten-like repo. I also like owning my notes, so sharing them with Notion didn't feel right.
Notion takes ages to start, feels heavy and clumpy.
That's why I use notion only in the browser.
if notion takes ages, then obsidian takes centuries just to achieve +- similar experience
Obsidian way faster ✅
hard to say notion can "replace everything" when it turns out - you can't do basic spreadsheet functionality with it -
e.g. references some value (e.g. a currency conversion rate) from another "DB" into a monthly tracker of savings - requires a series of 4 or 5 convoluted steps, whereas in excel it's literally like 1 click
or - when you can't make the key of the db as a date (?!!) and it's always a string
Nice video, I'm also in the process of evaluating Notion for my personal notes. At the moment it's a mess with notes in Apple Notes, OneNote, Notion, Obsidian and Bear. I would like to consolidate them all in Notion.
What is a bit worrisome for me is the fact that the content is somewhere "in the cloud" and in a proprietary format (remember Evernote?). However, for the features it has, it might be worth the risk.
I am definitely interested in a deep-dive on how exactly you're using Notion. I'm always looking for tips and tricks ;-).
For me, the lack of offline functionality was the reason I switched away from Notion. I really liked the tool (and still use it as my headless CMS for my website) but the fact that I can't access my notes nor write new ones if I don't have access to internet or the service is down was just too much.
Any experience with backups? For example, if you lose access to your account tomorrow, will you have your files available in a reasonable format to continue where you left off?
it's pretty decent, you can get a markdown export where also the media is linked correctly. But obvisouly all the functionality that makes notion so good is lost at that moment
If you are using Obsidian, use the Obsidian Git plugin. By default saves files every 3 minutes.
Yes I’d love to see how it’s used in your projects.
How do you get all your data from Obsidian into Notion? Worse still, how do you get data out of Notion?
With its export button...
The lack of Notion native app (there are some 3rd party tools) for Linux is the reason I don't like it! Shame on them.
oh yeh this is stupid also lol
notion have native app for android
I've switched to AnyType and I'm pretty happy with it for how I use a second brain.
My brain literally explodes because i dont know what to use. Obsidian, Appflowy, Anytype or Notion. I watched Obsidian linking your thinking and it was really complicated. Appflowy seems Like being in a pretty early stage (someone told me that), so i guess not that many Features as Notion. And Notion has no local files and people say its slow, which would bother me...
Now you said Anytype, may ask what you cant do that Notion has and what it can do that Notion doesnt have?
@@xKipura I haven't used Notion in awhile so I'm probably not the best source of info. Honestly Notion probably has more features and I'm a victim of "the new shiny". The main reason that Anytype hooked me was the ability for local syncing. Not needing an external service to make it work. The idea that only I controlled my data was cool. Unlimited notes, because as long as you have HD space, you can store it. Their FAQ covers all this pretty well. Oh, and it's open source!
@@xKipura it has local mode with local sync, can link local files and has a slightly different approach than notion. but talking about cons, it lacks many features such as formulas, recurring objects, nice calendar view and grid view hierarchies
One good point of obsidian is you have the files local, so you can share the files you want with your editor (not with obsidian but other methods) and not the whole vault with your private notes
Thank you for this. I just want to take notes, plan, schedule to master topics. Versus create "new creative" ideas. I'm a Python Programmer and AI/Data Engineer. I just need to learn something, e.g. different types of AI Agents, which one is best for each use case, and how to build them in Python or using other no code tools.
Glad it was helpful! :)
I installed Obsidian 15 minutes ago just to try and now im confused 😂
It's much easier to look for a quick tour into is main possibilities while trying to understand it. It's really powerful tool and asks a lot of time, but result can be quite impressive. Public plugins can take it to even next level as well.
you'll still say that in a year
😂 me too, I love notion but I needed some offline app
If you don't need to share your note to someone, choose Obsidian. If you need teammates to choose your notes, choose Notion.
I like notion because I can use it on my phone, iPad, and laptop
I moved to Notion too as it's so much easier to use, but the long term promised and still not delivered offline mode simply sucks. Might move again once my 1y subscription is over if they don't deliver the promised feature until then.
Detailed view would be useful , I’ve just done a video on Vikunja and now I’m thinking that I use that and obsidian could I not combine the two. Yeah it’s not self hosted notion but that has some benefits as well
Hi thanks.
Yes thanks, I'm like you I look and run obsidian and have many times glanced at notion.
please make a video where you show how you do it in Notion.
just use filesystem, sync thing and if you really want to visualize your notes process them files with awk and grep and visualize them with R. by the way the command find exists and also fuzzy finders
I'm having trouble finding an app that has the features I'm looking for. I'm looking for one that has an easy to use file list on the left and the order of the files I can put in any order I want, it has easy text formatting like Microsoft Word and it can hyperlink to local files.
Notion's features look like they would be good to have when I get more experienced with it but is there any way to get it to hyperlink to local files? It's frustrating that less than 6 months ago this used to work and now apparently Microsoft has made it stop working and I can't find a way around that.
I think I'd really like to use Notion but figuring out how to link to local files has been a barrier for me.
Me too, it's always a back and forth :D Currently, I just use Apple Notes more and more for the easy things
So as far as I'm concerned:
Obsidian should bake-in the functionality of the top 10 or so extensions to make it a safer bet that there'll always be support and a ton of effort to fix bugs there.
Notion should allow users to use their own cloud. I trust my Google Drive way more than any other cloud...
Bottom line: will continue on my (so far very short) journey with Obsidian and hopefully in the future will give support/assistance in boosting stability of extensions I really care about...
I have used Notion for 3 years, and it's amazing. The problem starts when you need to use it offline.
True
@@christianlempa Notion has offline mode now.
Would like to see your way of notion usage.
To be honest commercial license for obsidian is not a "must have" at all since all information is stored in place you decide 🤫 and only problem for group of ppl using it is to make proper synchronisation if they don't want to use payed version.
So you are going to use Excalidraw separately?
Yes, I’m currently using excalidraw+
Obsidian have a sumc options if i work from different PC's ?
It has Obsidian Sync, which costs per month. Otherwise you can use iCloud, etc.
I use both for technical notes and UA-cam Notes as well for syncing.
No thanks, I don't need another lock in platform
How did you import the obsidian md files into Notion, I am getting errors
Brother i'd love to know your suggestion about building a small data center for a cloud computing service company running with Proxmox as a core system.
Is it a good idea to run with proxmox as the core system?
Thank you!
And I'm switching from Obsidian to Neovim 😂
If anyone's interested I'll soon upload a video on how to view and paste images in neovim
I bet you change back in less than 12 months. :D
How about Obsidian VS NextCloud ? 🤔🤔🤔since Nextcloud supports collaboration
Hm, that's a good question, I'm going to give nextcloud another shot somewhere by end of this year and maybe see what capabilities it has compared to Notion.
Could you make a video describing how Notion can replace the “back link” feature of Obsidian? I am gravitating to Obsidian because of the visual relationship between files. Especially with the Canvas feature. I love mindmaps. Unless Notion has a similar feature.
Well at the end of the day the visualisation is only a Gimmick and has no real value you can profit from.
Notion has backlinks in children pages, it can be toggled on or off. But the only way to get a relationship is if you manually create it linking the pages inside a list or similar.
i was always interested how much companies pay for sponsored videos. now i know :D
Oh man Notion is just not great for a solo homelab user experience. I think for sure if you have a company of younger users, sure notion makes great sense. I care not about the beauty of what I make myself, its all about getting accurate notes down and done.
I'm editing this slightly because I poorly phrased my point. I had tried out Obsidian based on all the glowing reviews. I annoyed at the numerous plugin bugs and amount of plugins needed to configure it to my preferences. I also didn't need/want most of the extra features (like the note graph) since I just make simple notes and documentation. I decided to just use the dedicated drawio program for the rare diagram I might do. I switched to Joplin with the Joplin Enhanced plugin. Yes Joplin is worse by default, but that plugin makes it a complete experience. It makes it render MD in your typing space like Obsidan or Notion so you can get rid of the ridiculous split view. The other complaint people have with Joplin is that your documents are saved as a database. There's a built in backup plugin that can be switched to a generic MD format for storing all purpose versions of your files. For mild collaboration I can just share these. Fanboy's need to accept that I'm suggesting a valid opinion on an alternate option that works better for some people.
> I was annoyed by the extra features that I didn't need [...]
This makes no sense to me. Even the file browser in Obsidian is implemented as a core plugin that you can disable. You can literally turn all of the features off except for the basic interface and turn on only the things you need. I have never before seen a more minimal base application.
@@daemonspring That's fair. I suppose it's more appropriate to say I was annoyed wading through and the extra features and figuring out what they do and how they work only to repeatedly realize I didn't want or need them. The biggest thing that soured me on the experience though was that after trying only recommended plugins, the UI corrupted and buttons and panel were in the wrong places, displaying incorrectly, and couldn't be closed or fixed without closing Obsidian and trying again. With Joplin and one added "Joplin Enhanced" plugin, I just had to toggle off the rendered MD and turn on dark mode, and I had almost exactly what I wanted. In this instance Obsidian is Photoshop when all I wanted was Paint.
@@Freedbot complete fail and L from Feedbot
Thanks for the video. I really like Notion, but I stopped using it a long time ago because I'm too afraid Microsoft will buy it one day
8:23 notion doesn't take time?? Trust me, it takes more once you start to try making "the perfect setup"
Give your privacy away , i use Obsidian to keep alot of personal notes and info as well , but it all doesnt matter if i have to be online for that, i am out
I use obsidian for my finest and permanent notes (because its markdown, and my notes stays with me + search and graphs)
I use notion for quick notes like a huge collector.... it collects random infos, some of these notes end up in obsidian aftet some polishing... also notion for todo list, habbit tracking, goal tracking.. notion sucks at searching notes
I use physical notes for quick notes also, some of them will end up in notion or obsidian
How about 'anytype'? More Notion like, perhaps?
it still lacks a lot of crucial features, although progressing very rapidly
because notion pay influencer maybe ? no ? so why compare peer and apple ?
They pay? Where is my money? 😜
Soooo you telling that you never heard about Appflowy?
Arent there many thinks you cant do with Appflowy that you can with Notion?
I'm currently half way between the two. I started switching back to Obsidian recently because I hate scattering my data across different platforms. I want my NAS to be a single source of truth where everything is, but I just can't get Obsidian to be convenient on my Android Phone and iPad due to needing to use Icloud or Obsidian sync. Notion's app is far more convenient and I love the features, but I just wish I could store it locally and the lack of Linux app is so frustrating.
Obsidian is clearly not a project management app. Comparing these 2 tools make only sense in case of note taking. If you want real project management, nerver look at note taking apps like obsidian. They are not build for this.
With notion you can do it. It is far away from perfect, but is able to do it.
You did it the wrong way around mate 🙂
Went from proprietary to open source, from cloud to local …
My data!
Inb4 hes getting into emacs + org mode + org-roam
but Obsidian suits your colour scheme 😂
More than half of your introduction section is sponsor advertisement, it’s unnecessarily long.
Keep in mind, these Ads help me to do what I do; otherwise it wouldn't be possible to make these videos. If you don't like the Ad, or you know it already, feel free to skip it :)
Interested in deeper Notion discovery !
Sweet! Was looking for a new not taking ap
I'm still using Obsidian since it's just me using it and I don't really need to share the files with anyone. I did find that the best option for doing sync is to place the vault in a file sharing location (OneDrive, ICloud etc) This gives me the ability to sync across all of my devices with no additional cost involved.
6:00 idk if I should finish the video. This is a no no for me
That’s fine, but you should still finish the video 😄☝️
Thanks Christian.
Emacs org-roam is the place to be.
You lost me at As a technical guy you got lost in the plugins! Sorry, I'm a "tech" hobbyist but even i make my own solutions. I have 3 community plugins: dataview, latex suite, iconize the rest are custom scripts I made for obsidian. Dataview counts for a lot idk why some ppl need so many plugins only confusing themselves. I have reminders for birthdays deadlines daily random quotes ivee gathered through the years. Obsidian is all I need bc it's so extensible
That Kolekti ad was quite a worrying one, it seems to me like they're in a way just trying to buy reviews... 💀
Moin Christian, beides tolle Tools aber zwischen deiner sehr suggestiven Rhetorik in diesem Video und den diversen jump-cuts, hast du mich gänzlich verloren.
Org-mode. Simple text files.
Don’t use Notion, at all
Obsidian is also not open-source…
Great video. It may have further solidified my new journey into Obsidian but that's ok. Its great to know about the alternatives and why they may or may not fit your needs.
I can understand your thinking. In my 20's, I would have been all over Obsidian....but now in my 40's - I just want it to get out of the way and let me do what I need to do, and Notion is better at that. My free time is limited and I'd rather spend it on things that interest me, instead of fighting with a writing / note taking tool, making it work the way I need it to. And....I'm rarely without internet these days so it's nice that my stuff is just there.
Same thing goes with Linux distros. There's quite a few people who don't like Ubuntu because it's a bit heavier and pre-put together - to me, that's great - and cheaper than a Mac. Also loving WSL2 on Windows for desktop use where I'm not running Linux as the primary desktop.
I see, I click
wtf is obzidian
Self-host Joplin
Using Joplin privately and at work, self-hosted and local data, works great. But good to hear there are other solutions..
I hated everything about Joplin. Bleh
@@perfectdarkmode It's clunky, but I think the only option that's truly self-hosted I think
@@erfianugrahThere are tons of self hosted option. Loseq, vimwiki, trillium, etc.
Completely understand this move. There is no true alternative to Notion. Notion has its downsides, but it blows all the competition out of the water. And this is coming from big opensource and security enthusiast.
100% agree
Lol sorry this whole time I was thinking of Gru from Despicable Me 😂
lol
Notion is 👑
Good video but honestly Joplin is much much better... and it's opensource !
I use self hosted trrillium
same
Hi Cristian! I believe that making separate videos for Notion would be great, and even twice as great if you describe there if there are any tools for data migration from Obsidian to Notion.
Notion is slow as fuck. Cant stand it.
anytype?
Switching from Obsidian to Notion... 🤣🤣😂
logseq and git
logseq anyone 😢 ?
Notion doesn't know what it wants to be. For a note taking app, its average.
It's not really a note-taking app, although the name "notion" comes from it, it's more a collaboration and project management tool in my opinion
Hmm...Christian never Pins a comment... Also love your videos
Look at anytype it's like notion but with enryption and local hostet.
I did! But I didn't like it so much tbh :/
Just came to twll you that you are absolutely wrong. But you have to make your own mistskes to learn.