@@tvtitlechampion3238 The best part is that he's NOT a metronome. Where necessary he can actually play off the beat a bit. He does this especially in some of his peak Yes work, which gives an incredible energy to it. Obviously can't do that as much in 80s Crim, the original text of math rock. But you can still hear it there at times. It's what sets him apart from other prog greats like Peart. Peart really was a human metronome but he couldn't swing to save his life.
I wish Bruford would continue to do these master classes for UA-cam. A new generation would benefit from this mans wealth of knowledge. Mad respect for him.
this would be more of a 4/4 against 7/8 than a 4/4 vs 7/4. since the 1st beat of the second 7 measure bar, falls on the 4and of the 1st 4 measure bar. if it were 7/4, it wouldn't have this trait, since the subdivisions of 7/4 shouldn't be (7/8+7/8), because then you should just call it 7/8.
That's absurd. It always had been: 4 x 4 = 16 and 7 x 4 = 28. I'm not sure about 17 x 16, but with a litle effort would be 17 x 17 or better 17/17, that results in 1. More practic and simple.... You know why ?..... Because I'M 60 AND I NEVER COULD FOLLOW THIS GUY DRUMMING. I'VE GOT A KNOT IN MY ARMS. HE'S AN OCTOPUSS WITH SIX INVISIBLE ARMS !
These days there are flashier, faster drummers... if that is your thing. But Bill Bruford, to me, is the God of drums. A simply magnificent drummer. The flashy guys aren't nearly as interesting to listen to.
Pyrethryn actually this really isn’t complicated mathematically. The tricky part is getting to where you can play it in a relaxed manner, with a bit of swing and feel. That’s where the real magic happens.
Bruford is one of the most fluid drummers I've ever been lucky enough to see live. Saw him and Pat Moratz play in a small club back in the '80's. They did jazz all night . . it was great.
I’ve been a drummer for more than 50 years and I’m always 20 years behind him. Sick. But my favorite drummer ever. Always original, always thoughtful, always perfect for the tune.
I was so lucky to see this outstanding drummer (one of my favorite ones) playing at the Aladdin Theater in Portland, OR in 2001. Impeccable performance with his band. We had a short conversation after the gig. A gentleman..!
He looks to be having a good time. So strange that he retired. Perhaps, it just became so easy to him that he just didn't find it challenging/motivating anymore? As a fan, I wish he was still recording and performing, but I respect his desire to move on with life.
@@beeble2003 I'm sure it can happen to the best of them. Also, I'd think being on the road would get old after awhile. At first it'd be exciting, but then, once you've been around the globe a couple of times, the headaches and drudgery would start to get to you. I think you'd really have to love traveling constantly to not become cynical about the whole business. Also, it's one thing if you're traveling in style to huge arena gigs for $millions. But, if you're just scraping by, living out of Motel 6, and renting vans, I think all the hassles would just become too much.
The grooves damn the grooves. And this stuff is way harder to play than it looks. It's like playing a bunch of rythms at the same time like having four brains.
Danny Carey has a lot of Bruford in his playing, especially in songs like "Pneuma" and "Rosetta Stoned". There's an old video of him playing "Triad" live and pretty much every bit of that particular version of the song sounds like something Bruford would do.
Man. I practiced my ass off with Synchopation by Ted Reed for years. The two drummers I have never been able to approach are Bill Bruford and Dave Weckl. I haven't played for many years but can still feel the stress of trying to learn this.
I remember thinking as a kid- Bill Bruford can actually play two different songs at the same time. Or play the drum part of a song with a different meter to the song he's currently playing...
Bill Bruford should never read this tale (I hope so): "A centipede was walking on the lawn, when an ant told him: - How do you walk and move your 100 legs on both sides, so coordinately, without stumbling, and without paying attention? The centipede stopped to think and the ant went away. The next day the centipede kept thinking, until he decided to leave. But he could not. He tried to walk, thinking how he should move his legs, how to coordinate them, how not to trip over his legs And he never walked again. "
Hey, does anyone know the short Bruford video in which he explains how he came up with the rhythm for the piece Discipline? It's completely fascinating; once you've heard it alone, the way Levin's bass part works on top of it never sounds the same way again - it sounds better! Despite the intimidating "17/16" description of it, it breaks up into a completely intuitive pattern. I can't find this video anymore, having stumbled across it by accident last year I tink. If anyone can help, please let me know! As I recall, he demonstrates it on the tuned wooden box he plays on Sheltering Sky and Two Hands. (Many thanks for posting this video too, of course!)
Yes, I'll just pick up the DVD; thanks again. I don't think the recorded piece was actually played on the video at all - but I may not recall correctly. I remember Bruford only showing how it came together on the log drum.
Wait a minute: you may be right. I think this is him doing it here: ua-cam.com/video/Wl_S5k7ixGY/v-deo.html Maybe I can work it out by just watching it!
Even Chris Squires solo album you have to believe that although Bill played on the sessions, that the entire shape of the production was made to work around Bill's "surprise" and unconventional or unrepetitive shaping.
Me'Sha Golden lR l r l lR l r rL r l r rL r l I tried to write it out if that makes sense. The capitalized "rights" and "lefts" are the flams. So he starts with left-RIGHT flams and then alternates to right-LEFT flams. This rhythm is in 7/8. Hope that helps.
Fucc_Boi lR l r l lR l r rL r l r rL r l I tried to write it out if that makes sense. The capitalized "rights" and "lefts" are the flams. So he starts with left-RIGHT flams and then alternates to right-LEFT flams. This rhythm is in 7/8. Hope that helps.
Even the unique setup with all drums flat and at the same height and the hi-hat front and center is brilliant. I bought a hi-hat that kind of had a cord in a flex pipe so it could be placed anywhere and still be foot activated like normal and tried using it. Nope. Fail.
It's on the description. A web site about drum lessons with some master classes from famous drummers. Circa 2002. You have 'almost' the full lesson here: ua-cam.com/video/OEeOj7NWO38/v-deo.html Now you have all Bruford's videos at virtualdrummerschool.com for free. Registration is needed.
He got BORED in most of his bands. If I’d be in his band, I’d probably be in charge of the toilet paper roll....and be happy checking it’s always full.
The snare sounds like a tuna tin. So treble.... ( I hate this guy. My brain doesn't work fine since I listened to "Close to the Edge". He ruined my life)
like Fripp once said, this man is a scientist disguised as drummer
He's a beboppin' metronome; a mathematician of time
@@tvtitlechampion3238 The best part is that he's NOT a metronome. Where necessary he can actually play off the beat a bit. He does this especially in some of his peak Yes work, which gives an incredible energy to it. Obviously can't do that as much in 80s Crim, the original text of math rock. But you can still hear it there at times. It's what sets him apart from other prog greats like Peart. Peart really was a human metronome but he couldn't swing to save his life.
I wish Bruford would continue to do these master classes for UA-cam. A new generation would benefit from this mans wealth of knowledge. Mad respect for him.
Man alive, he doesn't even look like he's trying.
How does one even reach this level.
@fallout new vegas lonesome road dlc Please explain. That sounds interesting.
Bruford himself has said that when he sees videos of himself playing, it's as if he's hardly holding / gripping the sticks. So relaxed.
Lots of practice, yes it does come more naturally to some, but just practice.
He’s been playing for over 50 years. Talent plus muscle memory
@@toddgersh He played just as great already back in the 1970s.
his skill cures cancer
No it doesn't. However, it can help. :)
You must be fun at parties
I love how Bruford just seamlessly adds in a nice 4/4 kick to a 7/4 rhythm. He does the same thing on Discipline except with a 17/16 beat.
StyxTBuferd Thela Hun Jinjeet...or elephant talk?
this would be more of a 4/4 against 7/8 than a 4/4 vs 7/4.
since the 1st beat of the second 7 measure bar, falls on the 4and of the 1st 4 measure bar.
if it were 7/4, it wouldn't have this trait, since the subdivisions of 7/4 shouldn't be (7/8+7/8), because then you should just call it 7/8.
That's absurd. It always had been: 4 x 4 = 16 and 7 x 4 = 28. I'm not sure about 17 x 16, but with a litle effort would be 17 x 17 or better 17/17, that results in 1. More practic and simple.... You know why ?..... Because I'M 60 AND I NEVER COULD FOLLOW THIS GUY DRUMMING. I'VE GOT A KNOT IN MY ARMS. HE'S AN OCTOPUSS WITH SIX INVISIBLE ARMS !
"Offering the dance beat"
how could one count a 17/16 holy christ
These days there are flashier, faster drummers... if that is your thing. But Bill Bruford, to me, is the God of drums. A simply magnificent drummer. The flashy guys aren't nearly as interesting to listen to.
This guy is one of those generational talents that are so rare and a joy to listen to.
Zero people are incorrect.
Bill Bruford is the best mathematician to ever sit behind a kit.
Pyrethryn actually this really isn’t complicated mathematically. The tricky part is getting to where you can play it in a relaxed manner, with a bit of swing and feel. That’s where the real magic happens.
Bruford is one of the most fluid drummers I've ever been lucky enough to see live. Saw him and Pat Moratz play in a small club back in the '80's. They did jazz all night . . it was great.
Love it! I could listen to someone like Bruford dissect different beats all day long.
drewper73 Mhm
Bruford is a genius
His delicate metronome like timing is just perfection.
Seriously, he's in his own plateau.
I’ve been a drummer for more than 50 years and I’m always 20 years behind him. Sick. But my favorite drummer ever. Always original, always thoughtful, always perfect for the tune.
Bill Bruford's drumming has swag. There, I said it.
Its not just the playing - listen to how the drums are tuned and hear how he draws out that crisp sound from them. So accurate.
great overlooked point! No one ever mentions that however, I spent greater part of the late 70's and early 80's trying to imitate some of his tunings!
Bruford had time signatures and riffs that most drummers can't even imagine, let alone play.
I have NEVER misunderstood your musicianship sir. You are not just the backbeat behind the music I love. You are what drives it.❤️
This is easy to watch.
and we were able to follow the wonderful bands, and to sit amazed for decades.
his skill cures cancer! The best statment i ever read.Very sympathic and maybe true!
I LOVE BILL
I will never be able to play at his level, but it still inspires me
Holy shit he can groove in an odd time!
What a badass
this is a lot harder than it looks
CallMeBronco...one of the best technicians on the planet
Chinay Mai he's talking about his wang
I tried to follow along on the kit.
Boy was that a folly.
I agree with you and bill bruford do it so simple like the easiest thing in the world he is so relax
I added double stroke rolls into this instead of singles and it sounds really cool that way too.
He makes odd time signatures look so easy. This why he is the master.
He's like no other. I've love and tried to emulate him since about 1972.
I was so lucky to see this outstanding drummer (one of my favorite ones) playing at the Aladdin Theater in Portland, OR in 2001. Impeccable performance with his band. We had a short conversation after the gig. A gentleman..!
He looks to be having a good time. So strange that he retired. Perhaps, it just became so easy to him that he just didn't find it challenging/motivating anymore? As a fan, I wish he was still recording and performing, but I respect his desire to move on with life.
I read somewhere that he was starting to get really bad performance anxiety.
@@beeble2003 I'm sure it can happen to the best of them. Also, I'd think being on the road would get old after awhile. At first it'd be exciting, but then, once you've been around the globe a couple of times, the headaches and drudgery would start to get to you. I think you'd really have to love traveling constantly to not become cynical about the whole business. Also, it's one thing if you're traveling in style to huge arena gigs for $millions. But, if you're just scraping by, living out of Motel 6, and renting vans, I think all the hassles would just become too much.
Brilliant! Give us more Bill ...more!!!
He makes it seem so easy and comfortable.
So effortless...awesome!
Mr. Bruford are the Bob Ross of drumming
Billy Cobham and Bill Bruford are my two drumming Gods.
what are the odds we have the same favorite drummers? i guess not that low when theyre two greats of their genres
Yes...billham cobley rules
I almost sixty, saw a lot of concert but Mr Bruford is the drummer who impressed me the most on stage and elsewhere
When Your a drummer You REALLY appreciate this rhythm - groove
He's sick. I don't know how he does it. The best, IMHO.
He's an engineer, a dancer, and athlete. The drums are simply his medium in this environment.
Very nice Mr Bruford!
The master!
Bill Bruford, David Garibaldi, Tony Williams.....the best.
Please add Jeff Porcaro. . .
I learned a lot from Bill's style since 75...He has great stuff with Yes and Crimso...Complex rhythms
still love it!!
nobody better than Bill at simple things that are impossible
Thank you Master :)
After watching this I set fire to my drumkit.
The grooves damn the grooves. And this stuff is way harder to play than it looks. It's like playing a bunch of rythms at the same time like having four brains.
LOL! ^5!
The snare sound 💚
feels good to me :)
A lesson delight...
“Sounds good to me” and then TaTaTaTaDA....tadatadada..tadatadada...(perpetual change/yessongs)
1:55 B'Booom..a
Never underestimate the influence of concepts over technique
I miss Bruford on drums but now we have Gavin Harrison.
Danny Carey has a lot of Bruford in his playing, especially in songs like "Pneuma" and "Rosetta Stoned". There's an old video of him playing "Triad" live and pretty much every bit of that particular version of the song sounds like something Bruford would do.
Genio y figura hasta su sepultura
天才だ〜。
Love you Bill. Please call Robert.
Man. I practiced my ass off with Synchopation by Ted Reed for years. The two drummers I have never been able to approach are Bill Bruford and Dave Weckl. I haven't played for many years but can still feel the stress of trying to learn this.
yep, Weckl defies logic as well...
Ted Reed won't prepare you for this. Louie Bellson's Odd Times book helps.
@@farshimelt Unfortunately, that book never crossed my path.
I remember thinking as a kid- Bill Bruford can actually play two different songs at the same time. Or play the drum part of a song with a different meter to the song he's currently playing...
Philosophy 101!
Wow, I was not aware he had used this title! I have a tune I've called Triplicity that's in the can for my next record...I may want to change it!
Eres un mago you are magician and excelent
Bill Bruford should never read this tale (I hope so):
"A centipede was walking on the lawn, when an ant told him:
- How do you walk and move your 100 legs on both sides, so coordinately, without stumbling, and without paying attention?
The centipede stopped to think and the ant went away.
The next day the centipede kept thinking, until he decided to leave. But he could not.
He tried to walk, thinking how he should move his legs, how to coordinate them, how not to trip over his legs
And he never walked again. "
i am just learnig to play drums, although i've played guitar for decades; drumming is all about thinking and then feeling
Thank you for waiting until Bruford has (basically) retired before posting. : )
...And what goes... 99, clonk; 99, clonk. A centipede with a wooden leg, ha ha!
Hey, does anyone know the short Bruford video in which he explains how he came up with the rhythm for the piece Discipline? It's completely fascinating; once you've heard it alone, the way Levin's bass part works on top of it never sounds the same way again - it sounds better! Despite the intimidating "17/16" description of it, it breaks up into a completely intuitive pattern. I can't find this video anymore, having stumbled across it by accident last year I tink. If anyone can help, please let me know!
As I recall, he demonstrates it on the tuned wooden box he plays on Sheltering Sky and Two Hands.
(Many thanks for posting this video too, of course!)
Erich Groat - You might be referring to the Bruford and the Beat video from 1982. I'm not sure though.
Thanks very much. I thought so too, but I just can't find it anymore!
Erich Groat - You can buy the DVD on Amazon for fairly cheap. I think the clip is blocked on UA-cam because it plays the song.
Yes, I'll just pick up the DVD; thanks again. I don't think the recorded piece was actually played on the video at all - but I may not recall correctly. I remember Bruford only showing how it came together on the log drum.
Wait a minute: you may be right. I think this is him doing it here: ua-cam.com/video/Wl_S5k7ixGY/v-deo.html
Maybe I can work it out by just watching it!
My brain would melt if I tried that.
Even Chris Squires solo album you have to believe that although Bill played on the sessions, that the entire shape of the production was made to work around Bill's "surprise" and unconventional or unrepetitive shaping.
It has an industrial sound to it. Like a machine or train.
anyone know which Paiste hihat he is playing here?
Makes it look easy.
Genial Bruford feel good to me one of the kind gradually going tornado
Seems easy right? When one is great, onlookers think it's easy. .... I'm not worthy..
I was lost at :07 into the clip
If you purchased them, they were for sale to you, not the general public. How is this not theft?
The snare on heart of the sunrise....on lsd .omg
Can someone please inform me what rudiment he is playing when he begins?
Me'Sha Golden lR l r l lR l r rL r l r rL r l
I tried to write it out if that makes sense. The capitalized "rights" and "lefts" are the flams. So he starts with left-RIGHT flams and then alternates to right-LEFT flams. This rhythm is in 7/8. Hope that helps.
Can I get the sticking for this?
Fucc_Boi
lR l r l lR l r rL r l r rL r l
I tried to write it out if that makes sense. The capitalized "rights" and "lefts" are the flams. So he starts with left-RIGHT flams and then alternates to right-LEFT flams. This rhythm is in 7/8. Hope that helps.
MrJesseG123 Thank you.
MrJesseG123 beautifully spelled out - bravo
Even the unique setup with all drums flat and at the same height and the hi-hat front and center is brilliant. I bought a hi-hat that kind of had a cord in a flex pipe so it could be placed anywhere and still be foot activated like normal and tried using it. Nope. Fail.
still love it - 7=4+3!!
I hope that snare did not cost more than 80 bucks. Bill has had a consistently amazing snare sound over 40 years, this was shocking.
Where did you find this originally?
It's on the description. A web site about drum lessons with some master classes from famous drummers. Circa 2002. You have 'almost' the full lesson here: ua-cam.com/video/OEeOj7NWO38/v-deo.html
Now you have all Bruford's videos at virtualdrummerschool.com for free. Registration is needed.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
The rhythm section of his brain has 3728 independent departments
Bill's the _shit!_
Ok. .Triplicity. .let me write this down RR LL L RR. .ah forget it.
Ha,ha, triplicity !!
Here's the whole section...ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=bruford+virtual+drummer+school
onilvehs Awesome. Thank you so much for uploading the whole video.
Boy that snare is ringing
SuperQdaddy Bill’s trademark snare sound right there
similar to maracatu rhythm
Wait...what?
DANNY CAREY FROM TOOL IS THE MUSICAL SON OF BILL BRUFORD.
Andrés Aguilar
But I don’t think he swings like Bill
IMHO
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My snare without moon gels…
He got BORED in most of his bands. If I’d be in his band, I’d probably be in charge of the toilet paper roll....and be happy checking it’s always full.
Haha what a machine.
14/8 + 14/8 = 7/4
Bill could teach algebra with two drum sticks and bass pedal.
Different brain
Hey David Garibaldi eat your heart out
aakkoin dave cud nail it of course
The snare sounds like a tuna tin. So treble.... ( I hate this guy. My brain doesn't work fine since I listened to "Close to the Edge". He ruined my life)
I hate him so much that he became my favorite drummer. : )
Then you'll really "hate" him if you listen to the studio version of Heart Of The Sunrise . . . with headphones!
Not quite my tempo.
Who the fuck dislikes this
Bill Bruford with his touchy feely, ultra-English style. zzzzzzzz.....
He sounds like he'd be a bit of a douche if he was actually your teacher. LOL
good but the snare sounds like sh*t, sorry I'm Canadian....LOL