Using a timing light to set outboard ignition

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  • In this video I use a timing light to set the idle timing on a Yamaha 20 HP two stroke outboard motor.
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  • @davidvaneck4856
    @davidvaneck4856 Рік тому +3

    thanks for stating other possible issues such as vacuum leaks ,mixture screw setting, and reed values. This is why I prefer 2 strokes.

  • @girlgirl121212
    @girlgirl121212 2 роки тому +2

    After searching ignition timing for several hours I stumbled onto your channel. Working on outboards is new to me. You explain this very well. Thanks

  • @Bjornification
    @Bjornification 3 роки тому +6

    Thanks for all your videos. Extraordinary to think i learn maintenance on my engines here in Norway from someone on the other side of the globe 😀

  • @Fireship1
    @Fireship1 7 років тому +4

    Another great video Stu. Setting timing is a mystery to most people. As always , you've explained this topic clearly and made it easy to understand!

  • @roseannerippman7382
    @roseannerippman7382 7 років тому +2

    Thanks for the GREAT instruction and your handy tips. I'm going to set my Yamaha 9.9 2-stroke timing today. Your video on 'Reed' valves helped me a lot. I upgraded it to a 15 HP Reed Assembly and made its performance much better. The video was fantastic. I even disassembled and cleaned the carb. Everything is working better ! Thank you !

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +1

      You're welcome, glad you've been making such good progress with your outboard. :)

  • @lancista91
    @lancista91 7 років тому +2

    Man the starting noise takes me back. So many Sundays trying to make two strokes run right. Love this series of vids mate.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +3

      Must say, one of my pet hates is working on a motor that won't run at all and is pull start only. By the end of the day I'm buggered!

  • @seapup2247
    @seapup2247 Місяць тому

    You are a genius! You are also a great teacher!

  • @bmck9097
    @bmck9097 7 років тому +4

    Hey, thanks for all the great videos. I know it is very time consuming. I appreciate the time and effort. Best repair channel I have seen. Thanks again. Have a great day bud.

  • @michaelbradley6994
    @michaelbradley6994 3 місяці тому

    You have a way of explaining things that just works! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us.

  • @greenlantern1174
    @greenlantern1174 Рік тому

    More information than I got watching a hundred videos. Thank you

  • @markolav7017
    @markolav7017 7 років тому +2

    Ahhh...so thats how they work. My Dad used to use a timing light but I never quite understood the whole concept. Thanks mate

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +1

      You're welcome Mark, glad the video shone a light on how hey work. ;)

  • @brooster87
    @brooster87 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much. You are very gifted as a teacher. This helps so much.

  • @rolvon
    @rolvon 7 років тому +5

    Perfect * timing * that you've posted this now as I have to do this to our Merc soon.
    Thanks for the great info Stu :)

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +1

      Love what you've done there. ;) Good luck with the tune up!

  • @johnwills9303
    @johnwills9303 7 років тому +2

    Always struggled understanding how to use those bloody timing lights. Thanks that is really clear

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      You're welcome John, glad the video cleared it up for you. :)

  • @alnbaba
    @alnbaba 7 років тому +3

    Its funny that you mention a sheared key in the flywheel, I bought an el cheapo motor over the winter. It had a terrible backfire and wouldn't you know it when I took off the flywheel the key was busted. Great video

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      I was half expecting it to be the problem with this one if the timing was the cause.

  • @BangRang44
    @BangRang44 8 місяців тому

    Thanks I have learned a lot with your videos

  • @kieronr1
    @kieronr1 7 років тому +1

    Top class vid as always Stu. You make everything look so simple. Wish we had instructors like you when i was training on these.

  • @landon5636
    @landon5636 7 років тому +6

    just an add in, might b worth checking your arrow is for sure set at tdc. I'm not a know it all, I did have an issue one time where my market was like 3 degrees off of true tdc. your vids are the best. keep them coming. and would love to see you do the Reeves method. not anything on the net about it, no vids anyways

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +2

      Yep, there is nothing worth than lining up a timing mark to a needle that isn't in the right position! A video on the Reeves method would be great I think. I'll have to get my hands on a suitable outboard one day.

    • @stanpatterson5033
      @stanpatterson5033 7 років тому +2

      Miles Klein, that is an excellent point and a great suggestion. How many people (myself included) go blindly thru life assuming that what we are told and what we are given (such as a timing mark on a pulley) is dead-on correctly lined up before we got our hands on it?

    • @davidjessee7701
      @davidjessee7701 6 років тому +1

      assassin savage I think he mentioned that at the end of the video..

  • @Johndoe21256
    @Johndoe21256 3 роки тому

    Thank you for teaching me you videos are wonderful

  • @mericlemechanical1682
    @mericlemechanical1682 3 роки тому

    Thank you for all your videos, very helpful!

  • @PhonEGeniu
    @PhonEGeniu 7 років тому +1

    Congratulations on the sponsorship. Great and instructive video btw.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Thanks mate!

    • @PhonEGeniu
      @PhonEGeniu 7 років тому +1

      Dangar Marine hey quick question, what is the normal amount of leakage/dropping oil in the water after running it for a while?
      I have brand new Mercury 50hp and every time I come to the shore there is oil in the water not much but it's definitely noticeable.
      Is this normal or could there be something wrong in the engine?

  • @davidvaneck4856
    @davidvaneck4856 Рік тому

    As always another excellent video. Thanks

  • @havenorgreene5529
    @havenorgreene5529 2 роки тому +1

    I noticed you referred to an owners manual on the engine settings. I would like to see a caveat there. I own a 1971 Johnson 85hp that for years could not get to start easily. The manual had the breaker points gap .10 but after extensive forum posts saw someone insisting it should be double that at .20. Well, they were right. I no longer take any old manual at face value. I'm guessing the addition of CMC power packs changes everything from what the factory setting originally were?

  • @graymodeler
    @graymodeler 7 років тому +1

    Thumbs up. Man I am glad you got that dang clock fixed!

  • @WillsGarage91
    @WillsGarage91 7 років тому +2

    Nice work Stu.

  • @vetterfellow
    @vetterfellow 7 років тому +1

    Excellent how to video. Thanks so much my Friend.

  • @andrewshifty1189
    @andrewshifty1189 6 років тому +1

    Another very helpful clip for my project , cheers mate

  • @thredwa
    @thredwa Рік тому

    Very helpful, thanks mate

  • @joebunting8400
    @joebunting8400 2 роки тому

    Usefull video! Thanks.👍

  • @frangiew9076
    @frangiew9076 3 роки тому

    Danger....Thanks for the lesson on the timing light and how to on an outboard

  • @trogsie
    @trogsie 5 років тому +4

    Love your vids mate! :) Extremely helpful

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  5 років тому

      Thanks Ash, glad you like them. :)

  • @UKOSResponse
    @UKOSResponse 5 років тому

    Stu, you are educating me wonderfully....Thanks. At 6.44 you talk about the "dash pot" plug a gap n my knowledge please what is it and what does it do......

  • @amithpriyankara9909
    @amithpriyankara9909 11 місяців тому

    I like your job

  • @Lmmolsen
    @Lmmolsen 7 років тому +2

    Loving your videos! Keep em coming ;) I think that the video/filming/frametime does something funky when you filmed the flashing from the timingpistol, because I know in person (real life) it is easier to read the text on the flywheel :) Perhaps it would be a great idea to explain this for inexperienced viewers.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +1

      Thanks mate, yes, it is much easier to see the reading clearly when you are looking at it directly.

  • @Peterp613
    @Peterp613 11 місяців тому

    Your neighbours must love you

  • @brett2070
    @brett2070 5 років тому

    mate still wondering weather you found the problem,,i looked every were for the vid that shows the problem & i couldnt find it...please help....also your vids are the best,,,so easy to understand,so helpfull, just so bloody good!!!..please keep helping us,,,take care Brett

  • @chrisjohnston4369
    @chrisjohnston4369 4 роки тому

    Excellent videos. Very informative. Thank you!

  • @apackwestbound5946
    @apackwestbound5946 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you again.

  • @peterblackburn5575
    @peterblackburn5575 3 роки тому

    Good video Stu, if I can't time my engine now then I should give up....Thanks

  • @TBeck-po8hr
    @TBeck-po8hr 3 роки тому +1

    According to service manuals, some models of Johnson/Evinrude engines require a special analyzer ($250) to set timing. I'm guessing it sets timing statically. Do you know if there is a method to substitute for the analyzer or a way to set timing without it. Manuals discourage doing that, but not certain why a timing light couldn't be use, presuming engine runs.

  • @TBeck-vw6ht
    @TBeck-vw6ht 3 роки тому

    Can the same (timing light) procedure be used to set INITIAL timing on an Evinrude V6 150 HP, 60 deg? Clymer shop manual omits use of timing light and instead explains mechanical setting, beginning with establishing TDC. Obviously, pointer setting needs to be corrected first, per the manual, but manual fails to offer use of timing light for initial setting at idle. Thanks again for all your great tutorials.

  • @wiljo7
    @wiljo7 7 років тому +1

    Greetings from Finland and huge thanks for guiding me through the rebuilding process of my outboard with your awesome videos!! I have a small guestion. My 40hp 3-cyl 1989 yamaha runs fine for 15 seconds while idle and then it suddenly retards the timing 10 degrees and the engine stalls. This happens every time I start the engine, so any ideas what could be the problem?

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +1

      It could be that the engine starts with the timing advanced as a start up / warm up program and then retards it once it is running for a period of time. If it is computer controlled then it might not be adjustable so look for a sheared flywheel key or maybe just another problem like a blocked carburettor.

  • @tuckswanger
    @tuckswanger 2 роки тому

    Thanks a great job

  • @jeffmech600
    @jeffmech600 6 років тому +1

    Easy thanks to you

  • @deant6627
    @deant6627 7 років тому +2

    Hi Stu, do some or more modern outboards look after timings automatically? If so what brand of or year did outboards start doing this?

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +2

      Hi Dean, yes, a modern outboard will get a signal from a coil under the flywheel but that coil can't be moved at all, it is just a crank position sensor that tells the computer where in the cycle the crankshaft is and then the computer decides when to fire the spark based on RPM. It is a pre-programmed curve so there is nothing you can do to change it.

  • @Nonplused
    @Nonplused Рік тому

    Can you get WOT timing close enough by cranking the motor with the spark plugs out? Doing it on the water seems like it would be awkward.

  • @simdogg8412
    @simdogg8412 4 роки тому +1

    Some motors are abit hard to see the marks so just put some white out on the flywheel timing marks to help

  • @johnbladykas4454
    @johnbladykas4454 7 років тому +1

    Nice video, lean condition sounds like a leaky connector before the fuel pump

  • @florenciofontecillaphdmba.290
    @florenciofontecillaphdmba.290 7 років тому +1

    As always, excellent. Thanks, dude.

  • @pablomartin7972
    @pablomartin7972 3 роки тому

    Thanks. My 60 hp evinrude bugs down went i go to take off is like no enaff rpms I rebuilt the carburetors clean all the holes they are all clean adj the floats level same problem replace all the hoses new plugs and wires new primer ball tank and hose I had the carburetors apart 4 times there are clean still same problem idles good don't plane off maybe is timing or bad staitor what you think my problem is.

  • @toms4123
    @toms4123 7 років тому +20

    no such thing as long and rambling - the more the better. 👍🏾

  • @marcorendeiro4160
    @marcorendeiro4160 6 місяців тому

    Would you be able to tell me what the factory measurement is for that timing linkage underneath the flywheel

  • @mitchellsies
    @mitchellsies 7 років тому +1

    ah thanks, i was watching the video and when i heard the engine backfire i hoped you would adress the problem, i set my timing right on mine but it backfires up to a point where its frustrating when sailing.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Fingers crossed I'll get to the bottom of the backfiring problem during the week and get the video out next weekend.

  • @danielross4208
    @danielross4208 3 роки тому +1

    nice job !!

  • @gagechambley8251
    @gagechambley8251 2 роки тому

    At the end of your video you said the timing needle can be calibrated, how do I go about calabrating that on a 91 60hp evinrude.

  • @clarencjretap3685
    @clarencjretap3685 2 роки тому

    Hello sir and good day, i love the videos you have, i lost spark and changed the trigger,( which was the problem) and threw off the timing. I have a manual and it it says 23 degrees BTDC. I don't know how to read this, any information is greatly appreciated. It wont let me add a photo of the timing cover, sorry, thanks

  • @flynfish7428
    @flynfish7428 3 роки тому

    G'day stu i have the yamie 20 2 stroke 1990 i think.. have been watching all your vids building my boat... mate ..when starting.. she fires up.. bing bing bing pop.bing bing bing pop.. have isolated.. top cylinder back firing.. i have done.everything... cleaned carbs.. coils.. sparks...set.carbies.. has improved but still back fires... top plug is wet bottom plug perfect.. bottom cylinder runs like a dream.. im baffled do i need to look at timing

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  3 роки тому

      Hi mate. This procedure might solve you problem. Sounds more like a lean sneeze than a backfire ua-cam.com/video/NnotQmnKxKM/v-deo.html

  • @markvliegen8773
    @markvliegen8773 3 роки тому

    Great info, do you have ore know how to get a service manual fore a 1980 15 hp 2 stroke yamaha? I cant find the richt one.. onley fore 1982 ant later.. 😅

  • @seapup2247
    @seapup2247 Місяць тому

    Can timing cause one side of motor to flood and other half runs? Both have spark... help

  • @Spencerbuildsit
    @Spencerbuildsit 6 років тому

    Outstanding vids. demystifying and simplifying. Been Binge watching for 2 days getting ready to drag the boat out of the weeds. Fully pumped with false confidence...Timing light always on just cylinder 1? Any way to check if someone has monkeyed with the timing belt? (3 cyl. 70 hp 1984 Evintude)

  • @davidjessee7701
    @davidjessee7701 6 років тому

    You're pretty slick on outboards.
    Sounds like a little lean sneezing.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  6 років тому

      Thanks mate. Yes, this probably needed a carb sync too.

    • @davidjessee7701
      @davidjessee7701 6 років тому

      Dangar Marine I just ran up a common problem that is commonly misdiagnosed.. outboard runs good on hose, put it in the lake and it won't start or is hard to start, then boggs down won't open up...I pulled off the lower ,and shined a torch up the shaft and the exhaust was closed by half with carbon ...cleaned it out and ran like a top...

  • @boatramp25
    @boatramp25 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the videos! You've been a tremendous help with my 1985 Johnson 115 hp V4. I had some questions; you mentioned being on the water when setting WOT timing. Is WOT timing necessary when the idle timing looks good? Do you leave the boat on the trailer or tied to the dock? I'm imagining a buddy driving the boat while I set the timing! Also, can I utilize the fast idle lever on the control to set timing, or will I need to use the throttle? Thank you!

    • @ct1762
      @ct1762 4 роки тому +1

      No idle (or pickup as Mercury calls it) is independent of wide open throttle because (on your v4) they are 2 seperate linkage adjustments. I strongly urge you to invest the $20 and buy a factory OMC service manual as it will walk you through it very easily. DO NOT advance the throttle cable on the bottom of the motor to set the idle, as it throws the whole thing out of whack. The full throttle timing is always done in the boat at max RPM, so no you cannot do that on the trailer and i doubt you have a test wheel. the good news is if the synch n link was done properly AS PER THE FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL, you should be ok if its running well. DO NOT touch the high speed timing screw without knowing were the timing is.

  • @TimsWorkshopTJY
    @TimsWorkshopTJY 7 років тому +1

    Good video Stu, did you change the battery in your timing light. you're last video showed good battery changing skills so just wondered. Haha Anyway we haven't left yet on our trip down south. got the trailer home and hooked up the water just to find my RV hot water heater blew out. so waiting on a out of state new one to come in next week. between the truck part and now this down a thousand bucks. Ouch! allot more than a battery in a clock. Oh Well, update didn't know about the direction on the induction clamp on the timing light? will have to check mine. what happens if it's on wrong?

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Bummer about the hot water, oh well, I'm sure the trip will make it all worthwhile. I'm not sure what happens if you have it on backwards. The current will be induced in the opposite direction in the coil so I wonder if that means the light won't detect it at all.

    • @TimsWorkshopTJY
      @TimsWorkshopTJY 7 років тому +1

      Then either mine doesn't have a direction or I'm just lucky. I bought this timing light 40 years ago.

    • @ronpowell2373
      @ronpowell2373 7 років тому

      If the timing light is 40 years old, then the design is probably even older. That still only makes it a 1970s design though.
      Although there are LED timing lights, until recently the LEDs were too weak to be used in daylight. However one I saw the other day has a night/day switch and 10W LEDs, so they probably have got to the point of being useful.
      Most of the timing lights out there now use a Xenon flash tube. The gun takes the battery voltage , puts into a simple oscillator (basically changes 12V DC to about 9V AC) and then via a few diodes and capacitors or more commonly in the older gear, a simple transformer - steps the voltage up to around 300v (older designs use 600v or so) and store it in a capacitor . That voltage is connected across the xenon tube which will not give off any light at this point. The 'reflector' behind the tube is also a 'trigger' plate/wire and is wired up, as the name suggests, to the trigger system. On older tubes the spark plug pick up is connected directly to the trigger plate which was found to be problem on Kettering ignition systems with low plug voltages ( some only generate 10-12Kv) at idle- the voltages from the sense wire just would not trigger the tube to fire reliably- but these units don't care which way around the plug lead clamp goes and on CDI and modern cars the low voltage issue does not happen. More modern timing lights use the negative swing of the spark plug lead voltage as a signal to activate some sort of electronic switch (SCR, DIAC, but these days more likely a FET) to dump a 70V spike onto the trigger plate, which causes the tube to fire . As soon as the tube fires, it uses all the stored energy in the capacitor in one hit, and once the voltage drops to about 50 volts, the tube turns off. The cycle repeats as long as you keep the trigger depressed.

  • @hopdjandy
    @hopdjandy 2 місяці тому

    Can you put a link for the next vid please can not find it

  • @ursusmeister-petz5503
    @ursusmeister-petz5503 7 років тому +1

    hey Dangars hey Stu, I have a question related to this video, you said if the ignition is adjusted right but there is backfiring then it is most probably a to lean running carbs. Sorry for my bad english.
    keep going I love you vids.
    br Ursus

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      I didn't show it, but I had cleaned these carburettors before I started. I think you are right about it being a lean condition but I think it might be from a different cause.

  • @scottholmes8374
    @scottholmes8374 4 роки тому

    Will thermostat stop the water pumping thru like it should

  • @stevweekz
    @stevweekz 3 роки тому

    great videos stu .
    ive searched high and low but cannot find timing settings for my yamaha mariner 6E9 ML .
    would you happen to know the idol and advance timing for it plz ?

  • @daveyboy8907
    @daveyboy8907 2 роки тому

    My idle is down all the way yet it lunges hard into gear from a idle..It us revving idling to high in neutral and it even broke the crank key from putting it in gear..Is it safe to say someone has advanced the timing to far??? The guy I bought it from was into working on Harleys and I'm guessing he was messing with the timing to get more power.

  • @ericbommer2280
    @ericbommer2280 4 роки тому

    I have a 1988 Mercury 15 Hp. I have all the idle timing done, thanks to you videos. Now it says I need to set the Wide Ope Throttle timing. What the best way to do that. Can I put the motor in a barrel to do this or do I need to be on the water. Just not sure if I can see the timing marks while bouncing on the water. I'm assuming the motor should be under load, or can the prop just free spin.
    Thanks for any advice

  • @unchartedgroupielove
    @unchartedgroupielove 3 роки тому

    this is awesome. Can you advance WOT timing a little bit if you're running high octane fuel for more perforamnce? eg 27'c BTDC instead of 25

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  3 роки тому +1

      I don't think so. Running higher octane fuel allows you to increase compression without causing preignition by my understanding.

    • @unchartedgroupielove
      @unchartedgroupielove 3 роки тому +1

      @@DangarMarine So with that logic, if you had the means of doing so you could skim the heads slightly to raise compression and run higher octane to squeeze out a few extra HP
      Great videos BTW I have been binge watching all your two stroke tuning and diagnostic vids

  • @TheAnthony3480
    @TheAnthony3480 3 роки тому

    Dangar did you end up doing a video using the joe reeves WOT method as you stated it was on your too do list in one of your past timing videos 🍻

  • @r.seaboats6666
    @r.seaboats6666 3 роки тому +1

    Does Anyone no a decent Timing light that works for outboards Im still new to this so i dont want to go overboard with price just something in mid range thanks.

  • @lustfulvengance
    @lustfulvengance 7 років тому

    I fought with an evinrude 35 with that exact same caugh type noise, it's not a backfire really but it ended up being the stupid carb was mis adjusted and the thing was running lean

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Yeah, this is more of a "lean sneeze" than a true backfire. It will be interesting to find the cause on this one.

  • @kennethmcgrath5317
    @kennethmcgrath5317 2 роки тому

    Question 1998 force 75hp. 120 plus on cylinders had bad stator while is there I replaced timer base, rectifier all 3 cdm coils now I have no more adjustment on lever to timer base one more turn its coming disconnected. I made sure key way on fly isn't sheered but with timing light we will say timing pointer is at 6.00 o'clock the timing marks on flywheel are not there I moved left and right with light I found marks at around 9:00 o'clock is the new timer base bad fly wheel magnets in good shape. replaced stator because very low voltage wouldn't charge any help would be appreciated ps how do you test these cdm coils

  • @MrSgtstevie
    @MrSgtstevie 7 років тому

    Hi Stu can you do a vid on the wi fish sonar you put on your boat to see if they are worth buying thanks

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +1

      I'll try to film a follow up video next time I go out for a fish, might have to wait for spring though!

  • @johmu5466
    @johmu5466 4 роки тому

    Though an older video... Great description of trigger motion relative to flywheel and timing result at ~ 5:00 into video
    Also at 6:15, a great comment regarding idle speed changing with timing, and that you may need to reset idle after getting timing set correctly; you can hear it in the video.

  • @AmosMosesJr
    @AmosMosesJr 2 роки тому

    I am looking to buy a test wheel for a 1994 evinrude 60hp evinrude but there's so many listings I am getting confused. The evinrude manual simply says to run the engine with the proper test wheel (and to not use a propeller). My model is E60TTLERV. I am hoping someone with more experience with Evinrude outboards can point me in the right direction.

  • @maxfr571
    @maxfr571 Рік тому

    Hi. But its backfiring after you set the timing to 6 AFTD. Strange, because this symptom indicates a late ignition. . Did you fix the backfiring on that motor ? I have old Suzuki DT100 and its backfiring on idle. i do not understand why . It set the timing to 6-7 AFTD on idle . I thought the problem on my suzuki the late ignition.

  • @marley4142
    @marley4142 Рік тому +1

    You should be factory sponsored Yamaha, you listening?

  • @scottd3532
    @scottd3532 3 роки тому

    I dont understand what u are looking at when the timing light is shining on the side of the motor..what are u looking at too determine timing..could u give me a link too video on this if u made one please?

  • @wallybarrientos9458
    @wallybarrientos9458 4 роки тому

    hello how are your videos very good, I learn a lot watching them, I would like to know if you could tell me the degrees of progress in ralenty and the degrees of rapid progress of a mercury 75 hp mod 2012 thank you and I would appreciate your help

  • @jl.luizaraujo9820
    @jl.luizaraujo9820 4 роки тому

    Muito bom!
    Você é o Mestre!
    Gostei!

  • @martiwf0
    @martiwf0 4 роки тому

    You seem to know a lot about timing. Mine is a V6 Mercury 150. Which one is the #1 cylinder? Top left, or top right, looking from the side of the spark plugs?

    • @ct1762
      @ct1762 4 роки тому

      the cylinder closest/highest to the flywheel is #1, or on your motor thats top cylinder on the starboard side.

  • @locknload9143
    @locknload9143 2 роки тому

    Question. 45 min. mark. What is the title of the video for setting timing? Thanks!

  • @aurotango3590
    @aurotango3590 7 років тому

    I really hate to do this on your wonderful channel. But i am about to the end of my wits. I have hit that sad state of desperation and dispair. Your Channel has been a wonderful aid and learning tool But I have to beg and ask you for your help.
    So the project and learning experience is A 1992-1994 Force 40 2stroke single carb the serial and model numbers are so faded i cannot read them and Its for a home built boat project and I got the engine free off of craigslist. WIN, I think. lol. So before I go digging into her the first thing I did was check the timing under these conditions: engine on land in a trash can, filled with water, prop is on, using the starting motor to crank the engine over, full battery, I also have 2 other batteries that I swapped around for the test. . . (so full battery was guaranteed), Plugs removed, and plug wires grounded out. The Timing light is set on 0. My timing reads 0 in neutral with the carb Closed and 28 at WOT on the left hand side of the 0 TDC marking on the fly wheel (still not in gear). Those readings are at the Zero line on the timing sticker. My manual and other resources just tell me static timing should be at 32btdc. What ever that means and under what conditions, pleas help.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      So the 32 BTDC means that the spark will fire 32 degrees before the piston reaches top dead centre. This video will help with a few of those concepts ua-cam.com/video/5wbmaQXGf54/v-deo.html If the idle timing is specified to be at 0 (on top dead centre) then it sounds like it is spot on. I wouldn't worry about the WOT timing until you can get it out on the water under load. Is there a problem with how it is running?

  • @benwolfe3030
    @benwolfe3030 4 роки тому

    I tried to find the video you were talking about towards the end of this one on fixing if running lean. Can you please point me towards the link to that video?

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  4 роки тому

      I'm not sure I actually got around to doing a dedicated video on that but generally engines run lean when the carburettor jets are blocked so I would recommend doing a carburettor clean if you have the symptoms of running lean (white spark plug tips, lean sneeze, low power, stalling at idle etc)

  • @flynfish7428
    @flynfish7428 3 роки тому

    Did you do the lean problem on tje 20 yammie

  • @flynfish7428
    @flynfish7428 3 роки тому

    Super keen to know if you fixed the 20 yammie Stu... mine jas same problem HELP

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  3 роки тому

      Search for the video I did on 2 stroke carburettor synchronisation. That solved the problem.

  • @robbynelson3
    @robbynelson3 7 років тому

    Agreed with the other guy... sounds more like a sneezing than a backfire. Carbs and reeds should be inspected.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Yeah, definitely a lean condition, just need to track down the cause now.

  • @SoutheastanglerLLC
    @SoutheastanglerLLC 5 років тому

    I have a 1985 mercury 50hp 4 cylinder outboard do you know the correct idle speed timing setting for my engine. I know the max timing its stamped on the engine. Thanks

  • @markesteban8665
    @markesteban8665 5 років тому +1

    Hi Dangar, thank you so much for these videos it helps me a lot! Just wanted to know where do you get print outs for service manuals? There's a number out there but I'm not sure which ones are reputable. Thank you

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  5 років тому

      I always got for the manufacturer's manuals. Try tradebit.com and readmanual.com

  • @chevfj40
    @chevfj40 7 років тому +1

    My guess is a reed valve problem, looking forward to your next video.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому +1

      Will definitely be checking them.

  • @vinhoi69
    @vinhoi69 2 роки тому

    Please Help. I have an 1989 Johnson 70HP rebuild by Coastline Marine in Florida. The rebuild cost $3180. (rebuild include: bore the 2 bottom cylinders to the next larger size piston. replace the top piston for cylinder 1, rebuild carbs, new thermostat). The guy told me to check the ignition and timing by a mechanic. I have called every marina in Boston area to have them check the timing for me but no one is willing to work on older motor so I have to check the ignition/timing myself. I have watched UA-cam videos bought 2 manuals to do the timing/ignition myself. When I check the TDC of the motor, new TDC mark that I've found is 2.5" to the RIGHT of the factory TDC relative to the pointer. Is this correct? If it is not, how can I correct it? TDC needs to be correct before I can continue forward. Thanks for your help.

  • @matthewsullivan8118
    @matthewsullivan8118 7 років тому

    Hi Stu, I have a 3m inflatable zodiac with a 20hp outboard (oversized I know but it's great fun). Unfortunately the transom has started to spilt (approx 1 inch length and depth) along the laminations of the ply where it joins the tube. Is there an easy temporary fix for this or is the transom knackered? Don't fancy loosing a new outboard to the depths.
    Thanks Matt

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Hi Matt, the trick to repairing transoms like that is to make them stronger than they were before. If it broke when it was new it is only going to happen again. I'd need to see it to be sure, but I would recommend fixing it with epoxy and then adding a sheet of 5mm thick aluminium to the outside to give it some extra strength.

    • @ronpowell2373
      @ronpowell2373 7 років тому +1

      I am doing the transom on my boat at the moment.
      For a 20hp engine you want at least 12.5mm/ 1/2" thick ply if you use good outdoor ply . For a Zodiac transom you don't need a big piece, so use marine ply. Sand all the varnish/paint off the original transom, cut a copy from the marine ply and glue the copy over the old transom with epoxy. Make sure you work the epoxy into the crack, and use plenty of epoxy ( 1sq yd would be about 150mL / 1 cup of epoxy.) Clamp (no screws) the two bits together for a day or so , and just hard enough to squeeze some of the epoxy from the join (you need to leave most of the epoxy in the join area) . Once the epoxy sets you can paint the repaired transom in more epoxy (2 coats) and then paint the transom. You have to cover the epoxy with paint or something UV resistant, epoxy breaks down in UV.
      Zodiac transoms are always weak for the job they get asked to do- jumping waves and running up on the beach puts more strain on the transom than would normally be the case.

  • @gyorgyimre7774
    @gyorgyimre7774 7 років тому +1

    nahhh... if you adjusting the idle timing and still the same very periodic "dumps" than it's not fuel related.. (im keep guessing;)
    if the air fuel mixture is too lean at idle, it's sputters right in the exhaust outlet (like if would ignite too late)... that is very different sound, and doesn't make this harsh rpm drop and fluctuations
    i think the spark punch thru somewhere (cable, or the coil itself) OR if that previous person adjusted the timing, it's wise to check the air gap between stator plate and flywheel magnets
    i would check the 2 carbs just to make sure (syns of course), and would try the two cyl. alone (spark plug cross change etc..) !after! the carb's check

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      It will be interesting to see what we find as we look deeper into it. I normally find you can hear the crack when the cable or coil is arcing straight to ground, but I'm not ruling anything out at this stage.

    • @gyorgyimre7774
      @gyorgyimre7774 7 років тому

      what about the kill switch?? have you tryed to disconnect it? i know it's coupled ,but... you never know;)

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Yes, the kill switch has been replaced. The one in the recent kill switch video was the one from this outboard.

  • @IanTickell-yl9jy
    @IanTickell-yl9jy Рік тому

    Why is my 70 hp 1988 Johnson outboard storling under lode

  • @Hahehhwgajshah72726..
    @Hahehhwgajshah72726.. 7 років тому

    Love all your videos Stu.Would you have the Timing Specs for a yamaha 30hp cv by any chance?Tia.

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      I might have it at the workshop somewhere but I got the PDF service manual for this outboard of tradebit.com for about $8 from memory. Highly recommend grabbing the full manual for your outboard if they have it.

    • @Hahehhwgajshah72726..
      @Hahehhwgajshah72726.. 7 років тому

      Thanks mate.

  • @miguelc6033
    @miguelc6033 7 років тому +1

    hi dangar! huge fan of your work. nice video, love your content. i jave a question, if you happen to see this i would love to know your opinion on my issue. so i have a 60hp 2stroke yamaha. the other day i started it for the fisrt time after the winter. i "winteresed" it. and now it starts perfectly but when i get it going foward it goes but if i increase the throttle it starts to lose power and if i increase more the engine dies. i seams like it doesnt have power... i checked my propeller and it is perfet no issues there. thanks for reading and any help is welcome. (sorry for my bad english). keep the good work!

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Hi Miguel, it sounds like a fuel supply issue. I'd be checking the breather is open on the fuel tank and it is all flowing correctly.

    • @miguelc6033
      @miguelc6033 7 років тому

      Dangar Marine thank you! the breather is open and the flowing is all correct. i canr figure what the problem is... (thanks for the help really "aprechiate")

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Hmm, it is losing power because it is going lean as the throttle opens up so I'd say it may be that a carburettor clean is need then if it isn't any of the simple fuel problems.

    • @miguelc6033
      @miguelc6033 7 років тому

      Dangar Marine its possible, i am going to look on your videos on how to clean the carburator and if it is way to complex for me i will take it to a profession. thank you very much dangar! keep the good work. you are one of the few youtubers that actually reply to their fans! thanks again!

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      Good luck with it, let me know how you get on.

  • @ronpowell2373
    @ronpowell2373 7 років тому +1

    With the cost of water and the trip down to the river each time, have you thought of making a water test tank. I know they are pain to move around , but the one I saw down the coast was brilliant.
    He used a diff from a small truck bolted directly to a 2m x 2m x 1 m deep tank . The other end had a VW beetle Hbeam bolted to it- complete with steering box. The diff had a simple frame with one of those Chonda engines ( I think it was a 6hp) that chain drove the diff - the sprockets were just welded to the old prop shaft uni joint cups. And yeah, you just drive it out of the parking spot , back the boat up, do the test and park the tank away. Appparently they have some truck wash in the water as well. I reckon you could something similar with one of those big poly tanks ?

    • @DangarMarine
      @DangarMarine  7 років тому

      I'd love to make one Ron, our big problem is where to put it having such a small workshop. I think we might need to move to a bigger place!

    • @ronpowell2373
      @ronpowell2373 7 років тому

      If you are making enough money to even contemplate that idea it is a very good sign. But the guy down the coast just parks it in one of his inconvenient to use parking bays and leaves it there.
      Maybe in your case, use the same base as your engine stand build up a tank on that? That would be a lot easier on space.

  • @pinelandsoutdoors3344
    @pinelandsoutdoors3344 4 роки тому

    Would bad timing adjustment cause high idle? 2004 mercury 40hp 2 stroke 3 cylinder