He said these are wild caught, or from a wild caught clutch. Maybe it’s just the exposure or something but the colors of them both, but the burm in particular look so different from normal that it looks like a morph.
My personal hypothesis is generations of selection against yellow saw-grass down in south Florida has created extremely yellow burms. The burms that come out of south Florida are some of the prettiest on the planet.
@@Jerrell_Johnson These are not indian pythons, they are south Florida burmese pythons. However, genetic analysis has shown there is some indian python blood hybridized in the population.
Not seeing it. There is a lot of variation in wild burm colors. Not only that but Tracy Barker proved years ago that the burms in Florida originated with a single shipment from a locality that did not exist in the pet trade. We’re going all the way back to the naughts so my memory might fail but I believe it was somewhere in Vietnam. That being considered it isn’t surprising to see locality differences but they look normal to me.
No, not really. I looked up the records from EDDMaps a few months ago. No sightings have been reported since 2021, and only 9 total sightings for the past 5 years. It does not seem they were able to firmly establish.
2:06 African python is not confused his calm choice of words in very important? if he was confused he would be acting like the Burmese python but he isnt.
All I can say for sure is that my young afrock is stronger than the 2 burms and 1 retic that I have who are slightly larger than her. She's the only african rock python I've ever handled though. Ive handled only 1 anaconda. It was a young green/yellow anaconda hybrid out here in arizona, and I remember them being strong too. I dont remember being as shocked by the strength as I was with my afrock though.
@@Rebelconformist82 afrocks and common boas have surprisingly similar body structure. They both sit tall in the spine. Assuming they aren't overweight, they tend to be slightly taller than they are wide. Burmese pythons on the other hand are generally slightly wider than they are tall. I suspect that somehow ties in to their differences in strength, but im not sure.
@@Rebelconformist82 I cant speak for all of them, because I have only ever owned the 1 afrock, but mine is a total sweetheart. I think their reputation comes from the old wild caught animals from the 90s and early 2000s. Afrocks are much smarter than burms and BCI's, and even a little smarter than retics in my experience. Not many people talk about how smart they are, but they talk about how smart retics are all the time. Ive noticed that smarter species of snakes seem to respond more poorly to being taken from the wild. Retics for example also had a bad reputation until captive bred animals became more and more popular. Now most retics arent any more aggresive than burms, just different. Infact, at least as hatchlings, id almost argue that retics are less nippy than baby burms. Captive bred Afrocks are basically in the same boat. They have different behavior, but arent necessarily more aggresive than burms or retics. If you check out the "african rock python owners group" on facebook, almost everyones afrock seems to be very very sweet. Whenever someone mentions one being aggresive it often seems to be an older wild caught animal, and even then a lot of them calm down eventually. You cant even get wild caught afrocks anymore though. Not in the USA at least. I will say that they are more "intense" once theyve become upset though. They kinda throw a fit once theyve truly had enough. They are a better aim than most snakes too lol. Like the guy in this video said, their strike range is really impressive to say the least lol. Fun fact, my afrock is related to the ones in the video! They all came from a guy named Sam Fisher. He's got the best afrocks around in my opinion. Ill have to post more videos of mine. Shes growing like a weed. Hard to believe she was smaller than my young burms and retics a couple months ago. Now shes twice the size of any of my other 2022 hatchlings, including the burms and retics. I think shes just a bigger than average oddball though. I think typically theyd be just slightly smaller than burms or retics, other than dwarf localities of course.
Jada Hill There are 4 or 5 breeders in the US right now with clutches each summer. The waiting list is long, I’m working on getting a female this year and a male next year.
I reccomend Sam Fisher on Morphmarket. Just be sure you can keep a giant snake for 30+ years before you get one. Their reputation is nonsense, so dont worry about that, but they are still a lot of work, much like any Burm or a Retic. People say they are smaller than burms or retics, and its probably true most of the time, but not always. My female afrock turned 1 year old, literally this week, and she's already a legitimate 8ft long. She was born August 1st 2022. Weirdly shes much larger than my 2022 retics or my 2022 burms. She just happened to have more "growth genes" than most i suppose, because she doesnt even eat all that much.
Yeah, similar for sure, they act totally differently though and have almost a boa looking face to them. The indian rock pythons also sidewind and have their own unique behavior when they feel threatened. They twitch their tails to distract you and protect their head, all while sidewinding away from you and randomly striking, with laughably terrible accuracy. You'd have to see them to understand lol. Its part of why i want one. I have african rocks, burms, and retics, but someday ill get an indian rock python and try to breed them. They last one i saw available sold in just a couple of days. I just hope the breeding stock in the USA doesnt die out before i can get ahold of a pair.
@@alexcrowder1673 boas do the same with their tales as well...they curl it and move it side to side....my Boa Constrictor did that when I bought it last year when it was about 7 foot at the time when I took it out of the box when it was sent to me
@@imwaytogoodlookingtobeyour1188 Sadly I think Indian and Ceylonese pythons are going to die out in the USA. Way too much red tape for people to breed them without using loopholes like "gifting". At this point, inbreeding is getting to be an issue too, because we havent been able to import them for years. At this point idk if we will ever see them actually come back to the pet trade, which is really sad. Especially since back when I was a kid, they were relatively common. Relatively.... lol.
I dont think he does. I believe he is a researcher. If you are in the USA I know of a few breeders if you are interested. Have you kept burms or retics before?
Most African Rock Pythons are mean, right? I love pythons and all, but I get iffy about African Rock Pythons. I have a book or two about snakes, and it does include pythons.
@@LKauf279 These days I don't think you can legally even get wild caught afrock hatchlings in the united states anymore. The hatchlings are all CB from what ive seen over the last 5-8 years. The only wild caught afrocks ive seen in captivity lately are all older animals because of current import laws. I know they have wild afrocks in florida, but i haven't heard of any of them being offered for sale for the pet trade. I could be mistaken, but I assume they only go to researchers. But yes, morphmarket has some awesome afrocks. Not a whole lot of them for sale though because not a whole lot of people breed them. I got mine from fisher reptiles through morphmarket. Couldn't be happier with her. Honestly she's my favorite snake even though i also keep burms, retics, a carpet python and a ball python.
Neither of them are bitey at all if you know how to work with them. I would suggest learning basic snake psychology and socialization. The burms are also not nearly as well established as people think. Tracy barker showed that they have a very high die off rate. Up to 90% every winter. She also proved 100% that they are not released pets and eat mostly other invasive species. We aren’t losing native species to burms. We are losing it to habitat loss.
Unfortunately you are incorrect. My burms are ones I’ve removed from south Florida myself. I’ve directly involved in multiple academic and non-academic Florida Burmese python projects, including spending hours fishing out dozens of babies from a hatching clutch deep in a burrow using snake tongs, duct tape, and string. I have direct experience on the issue, and started from the same mindframe as you. I was wrong. They are definitely firmly established and present significant ecological issues where present. Not all bad, but still significant, and mostly bad. Herpetocultural propaganda that minimizes this issue is dishonest and only makes the situation worse. The burms in southwest florida 100% have influence from released pets- considering a significant portion of snakes in that region are the labyrinth morph. That population is also genetically different from the rest of the state and have their own unique viruses too. There is definitely evidence for multiple release events, which would support at least some releases outside of the infamous hurricane andrew. But they do struggle to survive compared to burms in the wild range, with larger home ranges and very poor survival. But that difference is just not big enough difference to prevent their success as an invasive. But you are correct, both species do calm down very well with appropriate handling starting young.
@@RepTillis no you are incorrect and Tracy Barker has the receipts. Regarding impact, I mean. They are not having an effect on native fauna. They don’t have the pop density and eat mostly invasives. If you were really concerned you would go after cats and,and developers.
Also, there are a lot of wild morphs in native ranges. That isn’t evidence of released pets. It’s evidence of shared origin. How else explain the gene density to result in visuals being common? If it was a couple of released pets (not likely at the price) you would not be catching visual labs. So I will grant you two events at best but that is obviously as much conjecture as your unsupported supposition that they are pets. Receipts?
@@JohnAvillaHerpetocultural for the record, I know the barkers and agree with much of what they say. But having actually spent time in the field, you are misinformed and parroting propaganda that you don’t have the personal experience to back in terms of your specific take. The real truth is in the middle. But you’re off center.
Click bait. Misleading video title. Basic info about each species, but no real solid info about hybridization of the two. There are other "snake people" who say it's not too difficult for cross breeding to happen in the wild. This video does show the differences in physical appearance between the two.
This is intentionally clickbait since "Man Eating Super Snake" was the title of a animal planet "documentary" about how this specific hybrid would take over Florida. This video is to show that while hybridization is possible, it really doesn't provide novel threat any greater than either parent species.
@@RepTillis I remember when there was speculation, 15 years ago, about what might happen if the hybrid population ever did really catch on. But I don't see how this video is showing what you described in your reply. No disrespect meant in stating that. A hybrid that really does interest me is the Cottonhead and/or Coppermouth. Not many folks outside of the Herp world knows that Cottonmouths and Copperheads crossbreed naturally in the wild, as well as in captivity.
@@samlott99 I live in North Florida, where wild canebrake diamond back hybrids have been found. Hybrids are neat snakes. As per the pythons, towards the end of the video is when I explicitly describe the hybrids, with both parents species occupying similar wild habitat niches, and captive hybrids of the species containing no novel characteristics independent of either parent species, already selected in favor of Florida climate by several generations.
Very nice to see them side by side for comparison. Great video
Can you make more vids about rock pythons
I 💕 African Rock pythons 👍😎👍
Gorgeous snakes
Steve do you sell Rock Pythons?
I own both species and they're pretty different from eachother with behavior
Both are great animals!
What's the difference between Rock python's and reticulated python's
He said these are wild caught, or from a wild caught clutch. Maybe it’s just the exposure or something but the colors of them both, but the burm in particular look so different from normal that it looks like a morph.
My personal hypothesis is generations of selection against yellow saw-grass down in south Florida has created extremely yellow burms. The burms that come out of south Florida are some of the prettiest on the planet.
@@RepTillis that certainly makes sense. That’s crazy, they really are beautiful. I’d love to see them in person right out of the wild.
@@Jerrell_Johnson These are not indian pythons, they are south Florida burmese pythons. However, genetic analysis has shown there is some indian python blood hybridized in the population.
Not seeing it. There is a lot of variation in wild burm colors. Not only that but Tracy Barker proved years ago that the burms in Florida originated with a single shipment from a locality that did not exist in the pet trade. We’re going all the way back to the naughts so my memory might fail but I believe it was somewhere in Vietnam. That being considered it isn’t surprising to see locality differences but they look normal to me.
I want one Rock Python
How do you keep snakes warm in plastic containers
Heater underneath.
Informative video bro and beautiful snakes I just subscribed to your channel 🔥🔥🔥💯💪🏽✌️
African rock pythons are still in Florida? I never hear much about them.
No, not really. I looked up the records from EDDMaps a few months ago. No sightings have been reported since 2021, and only 9 total sightings for the past 5 years. It does not seem they were able to firmly establish.
2:06 African python is not confused his calm choice of words in very important? if he was confused he would be acting like the Burmese python but he isnt.
the rock python is p4p the strongest of constrictors, along with the boa constrictor.
All I can say for sure is that my young afrock is stronger than the 2 burms and 1 retic that I have who are slightly larger than her. She's the only african rock python I've ever handled though. Ive handled only 1 anaconda. It was a young green/yellow anaconda hybrid out here in arizona, and I remember them being strong too. I dont remember being as shocked by the strength as I was with my afrock though.
@@alexcrowder1673 yeah that sounds about right. I had a boa, and it felt allot stronger than a burm. I've never handled any of the others though.
@@Rebelconformist82 afrocks and common boas have surprisingly similar body structure. They both sit tall in the spine. Assuming they aren't overweight, they tend to be slightly taller than they are wide. Burmese pythons on the other hand are generally slightly wider than they are tall. I suspect that somehow ties in to their differences in strength, but im not sure.
@@alexcrowder1673 youre probably right. Also they are similar in behaviour, semi arboreal in nature. Rocks are obviously more aggressive
@@Rebelconformist82 I cant speak for all of them, because I have only ever owned the 1 afrock, but mine is a total sweetheart. I think their reputation comes from the old wild caught animals from the 90s and early 2000s. Afrocks are much smarter than burms and BCI's, and even a little smarter than retics in my experience. Not many people talk about how smart they are, but they talk about how smart retics are all the time. Ive noticed that smarter species of snakes seem to respond more poorly to being taken from the wild. Retics for example also had a bad reputation until captive bred animals became more and more popular. Now most retics arent any more aggresive than burms, just different. Infact, at least as hatchlings, id almost argue that retics are less nippy than baby burms. Captive bred Afrocks are basically in the same boat. They have different behavior, but arent necessarily more aggresive than burms or retics. If you check out the "african rock python owners group" on facebook, almost everyones afrock seems to be very very sweet. Whenever someone mentions one being aggresive it often seems to be an older wild caught animal, and even then a lot of them calm down eventually. You cant even get wild caught afrocks anymore though. Not in the USA at least. I will say that they are more "intense" once theyve become upset though. They kinda throw a fit once theyve truly had enough. They are a better aim than most snakes too lol. Like the guy in this video said, their strike range is really impressive to say the least lol. Fun fact, my afrock is related to the ones in the video! They all came from a guy named Sam Fisher. He's got the best afrocks around in my opinion. Ill have to post more videos of mine. Shes growing like a weed. Hard to believe she was smaller than my young burms and retics a couple months ago. Now shes twice the size of any of my other 2022 hatchlings, including the burms and retics. I think shes just a bigger than average oddball though. I think typically theyd be just slightly smaller than burms or retics, other than dwarf localities of course.
Where can I buy a African rock python at???
Jada Hill There are 4 or 5 breeders in the US right now with clutches each summer. The waiting list is long, I’m working on getting a female this year and a male next year.
@@PlanesAtPaine who are the breeders?
@@PlanesAtPaine how can I locate the breeders???
You could also just go on morphmarket. Theres almost always a couple dozen available. They are generally 500 USD or so though.
What's there temperament like
Do you sell baby Rock Pythons??????????
MorphMarket
I reccomend Sam Fisher on Morphmarket. Just be sure you can keep a giant snake for 30+ years before you get one. Their reputation is nonsense, so dont worry about that, but they are still a lot of work, much like any Burm or a Retic. People say they are smaller than burms or retics, and its probably true most of the time, but not always. My female afrock turned 1 year old, literally this week, and she's already a legitimate 8ft long. She was born August 1st 2022. Weirdly shes much larger than my 2022 retics or my 2022 burms. She just happened to have more "growth genes" than most i suppose, because she doesnt even eat all that much.
Indian python is very similar looking to the Burmese python
Yeah, similar for sure, they act totally differently though and have almost a boa looking face to them. The indian rock pythons also sidewind and have their own unique behavior when they feel threatened. They twitch their tails to distract you and protect their head, all while sidewinding away from you and randomly striking, with laughably terrible accuracy. You'd have to see them to understand lol. Its part of why i want one. I have african rocks, burms, and retics, but someday ill get an indian rock python and try to breed them. They last one i saw available sold in just a couple of days. I just hope the breeding stock in the USA doesnt die out before i can get ahold of a pair.
@@alexcrowder1673 boas do the same with their tales as well...they curl it and move it side to side....my Boa Constrictor did that when I bought it last year when it was about 7 foot at the time when I took it out of the box when it was sent to me
@@imwaytogoodlookingtobeyour1188 Sadly I think Indian and Ceylonese pythons are going to die out in the USA. Way too much red tape for people to breed them without using loopholes like "gifting". At this point, inbreeding is getting to be an issue too, because we havent been able to import them for years. At this point idk if we will ever see them actually come back to the pet trade, which is really sad. Especially since back when I was a kid, they were relatively common. Relatively.... lol.
Do u sell african rock pythons
I dont think he does. I believe he is a researcher. If you are in the USA I know of a few breeders if you are interested. Have you kept burms or retics before?
@@alexcrowder1673 I have an 8 foot Boa Constrictor and a 7 foot mainland reticulated python
@@imwaytogoodlookingtobeyour1188 In that case, check out morphmarket. Fisher Reptile and Paragon Exotics both got clutches this year.
I have some available right now. The babies I have now are from the same parents that Steve's Rocks are from in this video.
@@Fisher_Reptiles I don't know for sure because my budget right now is $250 range
Klo hybrid gg tuh
Most African Rock Pythons are mean, right? I love pythons and all, but I get iffy about African Rock Pythons. I have a book or two about snakes, and it does include pythons.
They're very aggressive my aunt has two african rock pythons and she always get bit when she's feeding them..they're super aggressive constrictors
Mine has a good side and a bad side.
Mines fine.
MorphMarket sells hatched and hand raised that tend to be more chill than wild caught
@@LKauf279 These days I don't think you can legally even get wild caught afrock hatchlings in the united states anymore. The hatchlings are all CB from what ive seen over the last 5-8 years. The only wild caught afrocks ive seen in captivity lately are all older animals because of current import laws. I know they have wild afrocks in florida, but i haven't heard of any of them being offered for sale for the pet trade. I could be mistaken, but I assume they only go to researchers.
But yes, morphmarket has some awesome afrocks. Not a whole lot of them for sale though because not a whole lot of people breed them. I got mine from fisher reptiles through morphmarket. Couldn't be happier with her. Honestly she's my favorite snake even though i also keep burms, retics, a carpet python and a ball python.
Neither of them are bitey at all if you know how to work with them. I would suggest learning basic snake psychology and socialization. The burms are also not nearly as well established as people think. Tracy barker showed that they have a very high die off rate. Up to 90% every winter. She also proved 100% that they are not released pets and eat mostly other invasive species. We aren’t losing native species to burms. We are losing it to habitat loss.
Unfortunately you are incorrect. My burms are ones I’ve removed from south Florida myself. I’ve directly involved in multiple academic and non-academic Florida Burmese python projects, including spending hours fishing out dozens of babies from a hatching clutch deep in a burrow using snake tongs, duct tape, and string. I have direct experience on the issue, and started from the same mindframe as you. I was wrong. They are definitely firmly established and present significant ecological issues where present. Not all bad, but still significant, and mostly bad. Herpetocultural propaganda that minimizes this issue is dishonest and only makes the situation worse.
The burms in southwest florida 100% have influence from released pets- considering a significant portion of snakes in that region are the labyrinth morph. That population is also genetically different from the rest of the state and have their own unique viruses too. There is definitely evidence for multiple release events, which would support at least some releases outside of the infamous hurricane andrew.
But they do struggle to survive compared to burms in the wild range, with larger home ranges and very poor survival. But that difference is just not big enough difference to prevent their success as an invasive.
But you are correct, both species do calm down very well with appropriate handling starting young.
@@RepTillis no you are incorrect and Tracy Barker has the receipts. Regarding impact, I mean. They are not having an effect on native fauna. They don’t have the pop density and eat mostly invasives. If you were really concerned you would go after cats and,and developers.
Also, there are a lot of wild morphs in native ranges. That isn’t evidence of released pets. It’s evidence of shared origin. How else explain the gene density to result in visuals being common? If it was a couple of released pets (not likely at the price) you would not be catching visual labs. So I will grant you two events at best but that is obviously as much conjecture as your unsupported supposition that they are pets. Receipts?
@@JohnAvillaHerpetocultural google “Steven Tillis Burmese pythons”. You are misinformed.
@@JohnAvillaHerpetocultural for the record, I know the barkers and agree with much of what they say. But having actually spent time in the field, you are misinformed and parroting propaganda that you don’t have the personal experience to back in terms of your specific take.
The real truth is in the middle. But you’re off center.
Click bait. Misleading video title. Basic info about each species, but no real solid info about hybridization of the two. There are other "snake people" who say it's not too difficult for cross breeding to happen in the wild. This video does show the differences in physical appearance between the two.
This is intentionally clickbait since "Man Eating Super Snake" was the title of a animal planet "documentary" about how this specific hybrid would take over Florida. This video is to show that while hybridization is possible, it really doesn't provide novel threat any greater than either parent species.
@@RepTillis I remember when there was speculation, 15 years ago, about what might happen if the hybrid population ever did really catch on. But I don't see how this video is showing what you described in your reply. No disrespect meant in stating that. A hybrid that really does interest me is the Cottonhead and/or Coppermouth. Not many folks outside of the Herp world knows that Cottonmouths and Copperheads crossbreed naturally in the wild, as well as in captivity.
@@samlott99 I live in North Florida, where wild canebrake diamond back hybrids have been found. Hybrids are neat snakes.
As per the pythons, towards the end of the video is when I explicitly describe the hybrids, with both parents species occupying similar wild habitat niches, and captive hybrids of the species containing no novel characteristics independent of either parent species, already selected in favor of Florida climate by several generations.