D is for Disappointment - SSUPD Meshroom D
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- The SSUPD Meshroom D was so close to being an amazing ITX case.
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Chapters
0:00 - Big Oof
1:21 - Panel Removal
2:12 - PSU Support
2:54 - Air Cooler Support
3:14 - Fan & Radiator Support
3:51 - ITX & MATX Support
4:41 - Case Wiring & IO
5:18 - Dust Filters
5:27 - GPU Support
6:33 - It's kinda like the NR200P
6:48 - What we know so far
7:49 - Build Time
9:08 - Moody Moments
10:03 - Thermals
10:58 - Build Quality & Design
13:04 - The Formula
14:13 - The Good News!
15:16 - Conclusion
16:18 - Final Thoughts - Наука та технологія
I kinda dig it. Love how cool the meshlicious was because of it being surrounded by mesh panels. And i also love a traditional PC layout and not having to use a riser cable.
Exactly!! I dig it too! Though i would have preferred a smaller case but its ok.
@@hugoalejandro27 me too. I wonder if what he says about the IO shield and motherboard is true in all situations. Well, I’ll find out.
Revenant from Small Form Factor Network here: Great review. I like that you don't mask the challenges of SFF. A lot of people don't realize that it's not just plug and play with these cases, and that you have research the components that you have to put in them. For something like this, you would probably need to find a right angle adapter or a GPU with a recessed power plug.
Hello, thanks for sharing. I've been using.this case.for a few months now. Even installed a dual 240mm rad custom loop. The build quality is only acceptable. Now Im convinced that they had budet oriented builds in mind. Because you dont need any intake or exhaust fans to keep it cool, because of so much natural airflow. 😊
Thank you for doing a review of this case!
Love your honest review. That's what matters for us viewers :)
Thanks for all the great videos.. 5am here in Kansas. Yes I work nights and will be off shift in 40 minutes. cheers.
Banger of a video fams. Case looks great minus some of the hiccups. Keep up the hard work.
Nick, the SSUPD guy :P . It´s great seeing someone doing reviews and builds off SFF cases.
Another good air cooler for this case is the Thermalright Silver Soul 135 at 135mm in height. Thank you for showing the build with an air cooler.
I love that cooler. I built mine with the Thermalright Ss135, I also have the Thermalright SI-100 (only 100mm high) and will give you the same performance as SS135.
I use that cooler in my Thermaltake Core V1 because it's the only dual tower cooler with a 120mm fan that can fit in it. Cools my 5700G to a constant 60C with a full load. Granted, it's overkill for an 8-core AM4 APU, but the price-to-performance ratio on this cooler is insane.
Looks awesome
i want this so bad lol great job guys
At least they didn’t totally rip off and refuse to pay their Meshlicious designer this time
I can’t find the article to validate this. Do you have a source for the story?
@@noelrobles6334the source is the designer himself :)
That’s a known story: W360 (person behind Formd T1) designed meshlicious for SSUPD. Something happened and they parted ways, while W360 suing the SSUPD.
Btw, did you notice the change from “meshlicious” to “meshroom”? 😃
Did you think it just happened without any reason?
@@noelrobles6334It's just a rumor.
why cant anyone in their right mind just take this layout and flip the case 90 degree with io facing downwards and intake from front for gpu and bottom for cpu with a large 140mm exhaust at top with support for matx mobs and atx psus. this is the most win, win and practical space saving vertical case design in my opinion.
Probably exists from another brand
If NR200 and AP201 have a child :
I think this is one of the best cases they've ever made. This is aimed at the average consumer that wants a ssf case. No water cooling with massive rads just good ole reliable air cooling and decent specs. All most people need is an i5/i7 and 4060/3070 (around there) and they can play 90% of games with a decent 240hz monitor. That is what 90% of people go for.
if you only play comp games
you are a good reviewer, thanks for the feedback. how do you feel this case would do with a custom loop?
The product was found over on their website over a year ago, so I can't for sure say that it was rushed. Considering it's missing the spine that is found on the meshlicious and meshroom veritical cases I can see it feeling less premium than those cases and it should be cheaper considering a riser card is not required. Still with its flaws I might check it out.
The new proart stuff from asus is so sleek! Absolutely love a nice black and clean design without rgb and bunch of unesseray gamery angles and shapes.
This could be epic for dual rad custom loop. But if the quality is really bad then i don't know man.
Atleast thanks for keeping it real. You are very few who actually does negative reviews unlike 99% of youtube.
patiently waiting for the TD500 v2 build.
the sound of Klaire eating crisps in the b roll is awesome. lol
I wouldn't worry too much about chassis rigidity. I don't plan on dropping my pc. It's not really something I worry about and once it's all together it's rigid enough. I can see the motherboard flexing as a problem as some users could possibly make that mistake. They could place the case on it's side and tighten the motherboard down in a star pattern and it should help installation.
Like the case and purchased one, I Air cool, running 5700G, 42c normal operations and 62c gaming
You're right. If Gordon watched all the way til the end, he'd be shaking his head 😂
You mean to tell me after months of day dreaming about the meshiclouis they release a new version of the mesh room. Now that I come back to this case.
This case reminds me of a newer and harder case than the Cougar QBX
Hope you get the MATX expansion and I’d like to see how it compares to the ASUS MATX case
honestly, this case does caught my eye at the first just by seeing it on the picture of thumbnail... but, after finishing the video, it disappointed me a lot... I mean, just look at the design...they have the good start but.... ended up with this... why...just why...they almost done this right... overall, looks like a "from perfect to screw up" case for me... and also, the price... oh no no no~
I agree with you. I built on it yesterday, and the build quality is nothing like the others... Also when ordering, they dont give you the option to buy the Extender Bracket. I had to go from matx down to mini itx because bracket is not in stock now. I.dont understand whats going on....
I think flipping the cpu cooler fan orientation so its pulling cool air in from the rear would give you better temps.
This is valid for every case in the market. They stand in awe of small cases performing better, because they don't know even the basics: cooler air intake = lower temps. They just fixate in "airflow".
I tried that and it did give me better temps (5c lower)
@@elteacher0223 You mind telling me wich air cooler you used? and your overall setup?
gygabite aorus z690I UL D4, 32gb led corsair 3000mhz cl5 ram, 2x2tb Solidigm p44pro nvme ssds, intel i5-12-400 (65tdp), Thermalright SI-100 CPU cooler, GPU RX 5500 oem (I dont game...video and foto, compress and uncompress a lot of files), I have 2 slim TL-C12015b fans as bottom intake, 1 Bequiet silent wings 4 140 and a Silverstone Vista 140 as side intake. at 25c ambient, at idle cpu stays at 27c and gpu at 34c with 2 monitors. full load the cpu 57c, gpu 65c. 2 ssds never go above 45c. -all fans are set at 850rpm.
@@denisnatera3633
The only thing this case has going for it is the front panel type C connector....over the NR200P. Maybe a bit better for placing radiators in different spots but if thats important get an NR200P MAX. They tried to do an NR200P and they succeeded...badly. Thanks for the review.
The NR200p is also a bigger case. If you already have components that will fir in this all the complaints pretty much dont apply
more like a NR200 non-p version.
This case is only $100 though
I have a question that decides If I buy and try this Case. Does the glas panel fit with this cooler? I have a liquid cooled Meshroom S with a RTX 3070 Noctua and I'm not sure if I should change to an air cooled Meshroom D with glas side panel.
Great vid! Can you review the Jonsbo U4 Mini? Thanks!
Good content
At least you got the cable management more organize
I got an idea for the CPU cooling, you can add another 12 cm fan in the back of the cooler to replace the small rear fan, should have better performance and less noise.
I'm so glad they did not just copy the NR200P! Because in my NR200P I have problems fitting 2x 280 Rads, in the Meshroom D it should work. My NR200P is absolutely crammed with a 280 on the side and a 140 at the bottom, with only millimeters of gap between GPU Waterblock and Slim Fan! I could just copy/paste my components into the Meshroom D and it would leave much more of a gap AND allow for a 280 in the bottom as well. It's the perfect evolution of the NR200P for everyone using full custom loop and dual Rads! ...at least in my humble and not to relevant opinion... 😉 I'm gonna get one!
White case on a white table ,with a pink background Nick ? My eyes.
And it made you comment 🤣
True, but see my other comments on this,they compliment YOU.
its a modern NCASE M1 version, I think you can consider reviewing FormD T1 v2.1
I heard the same thing about their other cases having poor qa, shame cause I really like this case and the S cause the green looks so good
could you just mount an mATX motherboard without the extending bracket? there's four holes for the standoffs that already line up with the motherboard. is that not enough support?
I typically really enjoy your reviews, but not entirely sure what may have caused you to be a bit biased on this one. It could be related to the communication issues with their marketing team and not getting the proper adapters in your hands, which is understandable to a degree. But I think this case is very good for specific purposes, and as with any SFF build, it's about finding the case that best fits your specific hardware and needs. There's no "one shoe fits all" in the SFF world, and I think this model has taken some good parts out of the NR200P and getting it to a similar litter volume to the Terra. I do wish it was slightly wider to fit FE cards properly though, even though it's possible with aftermarket braided cables. I also ordered Corsair's new adapter bridge to try out and see if it sits better than a cable, fingers crossed!
There is no bias here. The case is genuinely awful.
@@GearSeekers "Awful".. really? Agree to disagree I suppose!
lol awful is stretching it@@GearSeekers
As I was thinking of Asus ap201 matx build , this came in 😊
Thanks bro 👍
if you are looking for a mATX build, the Jonsbo D31 has been getting good reviews.
Only, if you want to go matx with this, you have to wait for extender bracket, they are out of stock now
The panel rigidity is what might rule this case out for me. I like my cases to feel very solid. Micro ATX option does intrigue me, though. 🤔And yes, you are channelling Gordon very well there 15:55 😁
This case is great advertising for the NR200
could the case be oriented upsidedown, moving the feet to the top? move the front IO from bottom to top (if the case is oriented upside down, then it will be at the bottom again, near the PSU). with this orientation, dual radiator water cool air flow would be so much better, and could this use the iceman external watercool reservoir pump that is used in meshlicious? the configuration would have been so sick..
Do you plan on reviewing the Meshroom D with the extender bracket?
This looked like a great mini ITX or air cooling, but the fact that the height is so limited just ruins air cooling since pretty much all good coolers are taller than that.
15 extra millimiters and it would have been excellent, no idea why they limited it to 142.
As someone looking for a small form factor mesh case in a squared design (imo the curves and really overall design of nr200p is hideous) that can utilize an air cooler like the nh-d12l, this case checks off all my boxes! Hope the quality issues don’t persist though…
Did you end buying this case with that air cooler? Ive seen another video where the panel do close but it almost about to go off because of the cooler height
@@denisnatera3633 Hey yes I did buy it, I've been using it daily for almost 2 months now with zero issues. The NH-d12l has no issue fitting with the panel on, I can even push down on the panel over the cooler and there is even room for flex. The only things I'd note as far as fitment is I had to be careful with cable management for the back panel to fit properly, and I'm only running a 3080ti which is much slimmer than the newer series.
@@hlsby Hi do you have fans on the bottom and what 3080ti do you have? Thank you.
@@user-ip4lq7cm7w no fans in the bottom, and an evga xc3 3080ti
So... no SSUPD / NR200P for an ASUS 4090... can you please recommend me an mini-ITX case that works with this GPU ?
Its missing around 2,5 cm in width for GPU support and CPU cooler support.
Only if it came with the extender bracket. It doesn't make competition just being the ITX variant.
Kinda love/hate the lack of front panel audio. A bit annoying if you have wired headphones to have to use the back jack on the motherboard. However, that is less annoying than trying to route a cable from the front through the entire case and plug it in on the farthest possible point on the motherboard when you are dealing with limited spaces.
Nice looking case, I'm just not a fan of having to give my PC a reach around to the back of the case to access the power button. I made the mistake of buying a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX for the Meshlicius and it was a little too chunky to fit in the chassis.
where on earth can u get founders cards in Australia?
Can you guys do an mATX build in this thing? I was thinking of downsizing my pc before I go abroad for Uni. Thanks!
will it fit a 240 cooler ?
Now working at a sheet metal factory has opened my eyes to how quality can slip through the cracks. F
Great breakdown, but i dont think side panels flex is ever a consideration to consumers.
Maybe it will become one when the space is completely saturated in both designs and price, but thats too far from the current state.
Too bad the sample didn't seem to be up to snuff. Did they shrink the Meshlicious and just put it on its side?
Could motherboard standoffs be lowered a little so that NH-D12L could fit perfectly without touching the side panel?
It doesn't actually touch the side panel
Nooooo! I really wanted to love this case. Looking for an “ITX” case to transplant my m-Atx gear out of my unicorn vomit case into something more small and sleek without cooking it.
Will a Rtx 3090 fits in it ? I’m concerned about the connector placement
Yes, my Eaglr OC 3090 fits
If you would READ THE MANUAL, the GPU would fit... I clearly shows you how to temporarly remove the corner post. ALSO, it shows which standoff to use so the motherboard will not flex. The "D" is for duh...
Tbf, he said in the video that the manual they received was for the wrong case.
you should do this review again with a retail version. Ive never understood why people review prerelease units like this. this video and the title made me think this case sucks, but every other reviewer online raves about it.
The original designer of the Meshlicious left after he completed that. The Meshroom S and D are from different people and I think it's the reason for the degrade in quality.
I don't have any of the cases, but I feel the Meshroom, from reviews, is probably also good. From what I could tell it just looks like a Meshlicious but with a little more room for parts/extra USB slot.
Them bottom fans should be exhaust innit
WASSUPD Nick and Klaire?
NOICE finally saw someone posting it
Just got one of these, unopened, from an auction for $16 😂 I don’t even have components for it.
It's a pity that it doesn't properly support matx standard motherboards.
Ah making my Windows 98 builds look great!
A shame to hear of the quality issues. I really wish new ITX cases were being made large enough, if even slightly, to fit 40 series GPU's (other than just FE's and Pro Art's).
I've seen a number of ITX builds with 4k series on UA-cam. The Terra is a great example.
@@jamesmcmahonii8433 There have been a few for sure. I have a 4080 FE in my NR200 and it fits perfectly. Just seems like these high profile case manufacturers like SSUPD and Corsair putting out new ITX cases and limiting the GPU fitment is a step backwards when the difference is only a few centimeters.
My only issue with SSDUPD is the limited availability of the Meshroom S and Meshilicious. I can ONLY find the D rn. Between that and the sloppy execution critiqued here, I'm wondering if the company is in dire straits. 🤦🏿♂️
I really dont get why people are not liking this because the button is on the back. Once you turn your pc on its on.
Disappointing about the build quality. It does look like a much more compact case compared to the NR200.
My guess is $199AUD! even at $170 it would be hard to choose is over the the NR200 for $109AUD. I do like it but if I were to change cases from the NR200 I would choose the Meshroom S over this. You can't compete with the NR200, unless you make a cheaper one.
I still think it is a NR200P alternative. Although it is more expensive, it is also much smaller than the NR200P and perfect for air cooling（for it's size).
With the NR200 already dominating the mainstream ITX chassis market, they should have gone with the extender bracket included by default and marketed this as an mATX case. The AP201 is selling like hotcakes and there is definitely a growing market for compact mATX cases.
This is very similar in size and layout to the Dan C4-SFX. About 90% of the builds I have seen in the C4 are all using 4080/4090 FE, the fact that you can't fit the 4080/4090 FE in this case is going to be a huge mistake I think. Well the FE does technically fit but you can't plug in a power connector and have the side panel on. Shame that their quality is being sacrificed for price.
I use a Hyte Revolt 3 and love the tower form factor for space saving. This thing looks like an NR200 with more holes. About as exciting as a glass of room temp water lol
Good review, I wonder if the rest will be honest. I really liked my Meshlicious but I went to an NR200P air cooled when my (month old) AIO spun a bearing and I'm way happier. I love how this case looks, if I was reshelling I'd consider it but it looks like my GPU won't fit haha.
I agree that some of the design decisions seem odd. This feels like it's for people who want to air cool, otherwise you'd go one of their sandwich layout cases, right? So that PSU extender placement, why is it there? It's a routing nightmare in the making, it looks like they've comprimised that for the external watercooling bits provision which only 1% of users will use. Same goes for the ATX PSU support which i don't really understand; make compromises for an ATX PSU which no one will use, when a PSU is the cheapest component in your build - just make it SFX only and you can buy one that fits?! The CPU cooler height is too short, it pretty much restricts you to a D12L, it was hard enough getting a large air cooler in an NR200 at ~155mm clearance - I'm running a Thermaltake PA120 SE with the glass panel on mine which is bang on 155mm. The bottom fans should be on the top and used to exhaust, let the GPU fans go up against the bottom mesh and pull in clean air themselves. It would have been nice to see a front fan but with that mesh you could mod one in pretty easily, I think that'd be worth doing. Maybe a custom blowhole fan if you're lucky too.
I saw on their site they have that add-on which adds more front IO and a power button - that looks almost essential to get some extra clearance down the bottom for GPU/full sized fans - is this what adds the mATX compatibility? The window panel is definitely worth IMO.
Perhaps a lot of of these compromises in dimension were for panel compatability between the Meshroom S and D? Probably saves them a bunch on manufacturering.
Thanks for the video! Well, it seems you are absolutly right: If you do a NR200-"clone", you have to do it better. I am not a great fan of the NR200, but it is very good for its price. I thing SSUPD could have made a very much better way to the design ideas. Maybe they will explain why they did it that way...
More of a NCASE M1 V1 through V6 clone. One of the original partners of NCASE (Wahaha360) was involved with SSUPD, it makes sense.
I really dont like where they put the power plug and the power button the power plug couldve easily been moved to the bottom corner instead of overtop the gpu, and the power button couldve been on the front with the other io
Not too many small form factor, small footprint cases that can use Micro-ATX. Even with quirks, it's great to see cases like this.
Wish they had flipped it so video card faces up. Bearings just work batter that way. I don't get why the fans on video cards have the bearings set up the way they do.
What do you mean? Lol you can flip the case, unscrew the feet and put them on top, flip it and your done lmao
@@xokin156 Have you actually done this, or are you talking in theory?
@@Mikenperu no I did it, it’s 100% possible, it is just that the case itself doesn’t get much attention. Well it has it flaws.
GPU compatibility is so limitied, good for 3000s series and 4070 Ti and below, rarely any 4080/4090 will fit in this, maybe only the FE version and MSI Ventus 4080/4090 would fit
I feel like this Ncase design is really at the end of its life here, the gpu sitting this close to the desk is not really a good idea for these big and powerful card we have these days, the C4sfx with the reverse setup that puts the gpu on the top it’s the way to go in the future.
I'm interested in it. I'm guessing it's just a bad sample.
I hope so
No...these issues start with Design.
I feel like this is what happens when a company tries to push a design language without involving the original designer. The internals look like a less compatible NR200.
💯💯
why cant they keep the sandwich layout :/
Case manufacturers, combine the SGPC K39 Pro internal design with meshlicious like mesh panels. There, you're welcome
"Part pickle list." I hope you did that to mess with people, and I'm not just hearing things.
Always hahahaha 😂
Its only an ITX case. You're not getting a 3.5 inch card in there with an mATX mobo.
Get the NR200P it'd better.
Meshlicious still the best one they did
If they just made it one inch longer and deeper, it would have fit all 4090.
But nope..
They rushed it to get it out before W360 released the Free Flow and Ncase M1 Evo goes on sale. Nick pretty much stated what I was already thinking and that is the build quality of a Streacom x Ncase "Meshlicious" would be much better than Lian Li/SSUPD.
The Free Flow also looks to have better compatibility with modern hardware while still offering multiple layout option and both vertical or horizontal case orientations. Yup.... Im holding off for the Free Flow. And honestly I'm all for supporting W360, as he's the original designer for the Meshi.
Thanks for review. This shit does not have to worth even 30$. Jonsbo vr3 is the best among mesh cases
It's a Disappointment because it's the only one not for sale in Europe.
Tell "I want a meshroom D" to anybody not knowing about hardware and you get punched in the face or laughed at.
110 with out riser
Is basicaly meshalicious
N that was that price with a riser
U say this. Lower quAlity. It should be like 70$
*We get it the Mesh D for whatever reason isn't your cup of tea ☕ what about the Mesh S?*
We already reviewed it