Porsche 993 Engine Drop: I Can't Believe My Eyes!
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- It's time for the first Porsche 993 engine drop ever done on my 1995 Porsche 993 911 Coupe.
My Porsche 993 has 102,000 miles on it and needs a new clutch. In order to get that job done, my air cooled mechanic needed to perform a Porsche 993 engine drop procedure.
In this video, I take you along with me as I view the 3.6 flat six engine out of the car and listen to some information my mechanic shares with me about my Porsche 993 engine condition and the process in general he follows to perform a Porsche 993 engine drop.
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In this video, you'll see:
* What a Porsche 993 engine looks like when it's out of the car
* How many hours a Porsche 993 engine drop job should take
* What a Porsche 993 G50 dual mass flywheel looks like when it's in good condition
* What a worn Porsche 993 G50 clutch disc looks like
* The underbody parts, cross member parts and muffler parts that have to be removed to get the Porsche 993 engine drop done
* What it costs to replace a Porsche 993 engine bay insulating pad
* How long a Porsche 993 engine bay insulating pad should be expected to last
* Unboxing of a new Sachs clutch kit for the Porsche 993
* What a failing throwout bearing in a Porsche 993 G50 transmission sounds like
* A very general overview of the process for doing a Porsche 993 engine drop
Based on what I learn about the condition of the car, I will have no problems with spending money continue to modify my Porsche 993 911. What I mean by that is I have a good, clean and most likely problem-free 993 Coupe and because its a great example, I have a solid platform and will continue to mod and change it without worries that it will have significant issues.
Bottomline, I don’t want to pour a lot of money into a car that’s going to have ongoing maintenance issues. So, it looks like I’m in the clear!
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Engine drop taking 15 hours with two blokes? What utter B.S. I can drop mine by myself in 3-4 hours.
I guess that’s because you’re a metal guru?
my guy can do mine in 6 hours
Nice 👍🏼
yess max 4 hours (includes lunchtime)
It really doesn’t take that long to drop a 993 engine
Probably too late. I would replace all the actuators, replace spark plugs and wires, distributor cap/rotor. Have him inspect the Distributor. There is a belt that is a pain to replace that keeps each rotor in the cap in sync. Might even replace alternator (PITA). I would do all the rubber hoses on everything. Can get very expensive quickly, but cry once and you will have no issues for a long time. All great for resale value with receipts. I do all my own service and pretty much replaced everything I could so I had a baseline after I purchased my car at around 85K. I will eventually replace my clutch and might do a LWFW as well. If I took my car to a shop it would have easily been 15-20k worth of parts and labor. I put car on jack stands and did each item slowly one at a time. Ended up only costing me around $5-6k with some upgrades and I learned how to do it myself over about two months. I even sent injectors out for cleaning professionally. I spent 30+hrs steam cleaning motor and undercarriage on my back. I learned every part and screw basically. End result was a spectacular and found out where everything was leaking. It is almost impossible to have a non leaking air cooled car.
I bought a 95 993 2 years ago that needed a clutch with 70k on it. My insulation was sagging so also had that replaced, rms and gasket for the oil temperature sender. My car had a fairly recent top end rebuild so plugs, wires etc had been done then, belts had also been done before going up for sale, but if your car hasn’t done any of those recently do it now. You already have a lot of labor in and it is much easier and less additional labor to do those now than tackling them later. You won’t notice much if any difference in the car, but there is a lot of peace of mind having it done and set for thousands of reliable miles before needing to do it again. Cheers!
Way to go in asking the shop hours to drop an engine. 15 hours. So, $2k to drop an engine with no work. This is useful information. Even the $250 sound pad was good information.
I can see you’re keenly interested in costs.
I will be doing not only a 1 year cost of ownership video on my 993...I’m also going to share what I paid for it, what I paid to ship it and what it cost me to get it where I want it.
Thanks for watching and for the candid feedback. Can’t build a good channel without it.
From what I heard in the video, Charles said 15 hours total. Out, doing the work, and in again. It was kinda mumbly at the end so I guess easy to miss but he said 15 hours out and in. Even said in the beginning that they took the engine out that morning. So didnt take them 15 hours to get it out^^
I have done several of these - and do not drop the engine to just do a clutch, it's more efficient and cheaper to just drop the tranny and leave the engine in the car. I have a lift and use a transmission jack to hold the transmission, tripods to hold the engine. That way, you save on fluids (little loss of oil or p/s fluid) and an alignment - mandatory on a 993 since you need to remove the cross suspension support to drop the engine. . His hours are high (what 30 hours??), I usually work on 993's, and by myself a clutch is a day's work, about 8-10 hours. It's NOT complex, it's really just maintenance, especially after you have done a few. Did he measure the DMF loading twist under load? There is a Porsche spec on the DMF performance t determine if its worn out or not. You can also tell if the clutch rattles when you shut off the engine. Oh,oOn just about all the ones I have done, I dumped the DMF and went RS flywheel, but on a 95' that can be problematic.
That was what I was thinking. The 915 transmission cars (pre 87) required dropping the engine to replace the clutch. But the G 50 transmissions could be dropped without pulling the engine. So I don't know why the engine was pulled out.
Thanks for posting Will. I'm glad you did as my twin to your 86 was just in the shop having the clutch components replaced however I missed getting down there to see the engine out so I didn't get to see this level of detail. It's amazing what these guys do.
So happy you are getting all the little things done, while the motor is out spare no expense and get it back to original or better with a few mods to help her age. I know its expensive but look where this supposedly "daily driver" as called in the intro Vlog has gone. This machine has a spirit that will give you joy. Have my favorite mechanic Charles do his thing and take his many words of wisdom.. he is such a cool guy. You keep that beast more than 5 years... or I am unsubscribing.. lol..Great car, great channel, great times , great vlog..life is great... excited for the followup.
Yes, definitely install the missing engine insulation foam. You always want the car to be equipped as it left the Factory at the very least. The sound advice regarding having the engine out is to replace anything that is at or near needing replacement while access is easy. Glad everything is looking good here. Cheers to that.
Great video. Gives you a real sense of the complexity involved in dropping the engine, hence the cost of a repair if that’s required as part of it
I am not looking forward to the bill but the peace of mind will be phenomenal
I took my 1978 911SC in for tune up and valve adjust. Next thing I knew I found out l had five broken head studs!! Very common on air cooled Porsches from the 70's thru to the 964 No issues with the 993 onwards
When engine was out I had the shop do a wet /dry compression check, three times, just to make sure of the engine condition,, as this is the time to do a valve job/rings. Lucky for me every cylinder was with in 1% !! Ive owned this car for over 11 years and it has never smoked on a cold start up. The shop let me power wash and clean the engine and transmission while there where out
I also sanded and painted all the metal bits that are on the engine. Cleaned the engine bay and replace sound deadening material also
Heat shields, fasteners etc go pretty fast.
This is why I have a 997.2 GTS and not a 993.Porsche has evolved to cars that require much less maintenance.That being said I still love the 993.
I hear you. I’m migrating into water cooled just for a change. I talk about it in my next video which is coming out Saturday.
Such a good channel, glad I found this.
Keep that car. At least for knowing it's sorted so well. You know it first hand!
Did I hear them say it takes 15 hours to take out the engine?!!...i have a 71, and learend from pelican parts videos last year, it took me 5-6 hours first time around.
a 71 is a lot easier to remove than a 993. I'm surprised to see how much crap they can fit in that engine bay haha.
71 and it took 5 hours? A bit to much time. You should have it out and in easy in that time.
Maybe it is $1500 for out and in.
Great content Will! Your straight forwardness and sincerity are refreshing.
Always helpful to see what other cars need to have done; and related ‘while we’re in there’ items. Doing those items is often cost effective. Replacing the engine sound insulation pad suggests that a car that has been well cared for - good for resale as well as a sense of pride. $3 - 4K (30 hrs +) to remove and reinstall the engine sounds about right with regard to what I’ve seen.
Except for gearing, oil line & exhaust routing, drive trains of 993s and 964s are almost identical (HP difference is because of exhaust routing). The previous owner of my car replaced the clutch at 30k & 70k miles (he also tracked the car). I drove the car on street and back roads from 78k to 187k miles with no need to change the clutch. At 187k, we changed clutch to aluminum Sachs performance, ‘while we were in there’, as part of a larger modification project.
at 2:02, the mechanic points out the "throw-out bearing" ... that's a cheap part that wears out quickly if you sit at red-lights with your foot depressing the clutch, waiting for the green light with your engine idling. When it wears out, you'll spend thousands to replace this $60 bearing ... so don't depress the clutch pedal until the light turns green,
“..engine sound insulation missing..” “what’s the cost?” “Without hesitating, “$250..” “sure, go ahead” Looks like it replacement OEM part is about $60 on line. That helps explain your a $5,700 dollar repair bill. You might want to be a little more strategic with your repair shop when negotiating repair cost.
Thank you so much for an informative video! Keep up the great work.
All the best from the UK
Nothing quite like Valentine's Day with Charles! 🤣
“2 happy buddies” 😂
Pauly shore is that you?!! Could it be?
Yeah buuu-uuh-dee
If you own a 993, have you had to have your clutch replaced yet? If so, what was your mileage when you had it done?
Here's an idea. Why don't you play obnoxious music while he explains what is going on, just to make it more difficult to hear what he is saying.
Thanks. Exactly my plan. I was hoping a guy like you would stop by and complain about it.
Here’s an idea in return. Don’t watch it. 😂
Not sure how different a 993 is to take engine in and out, but i can do it by myself on my 79 turbo conversion, efi converted in about 3 hours out/3 hours in, and thats taking my time
15 hours in and out, with a professional lift? That is BS. I and a buddy dropped the engine from my '84 in about six hours. But we only had jacks and jack stands. This guy needs to find a different shop.
How much ..did the parts and labor come out to...2-3k ?
I think the whole thing was $5700 based on everything I did while I was in there.
go on rennlist and see what others have done while the engine is out. it can be a slippery slope! $$$ but yeah the car is worth doing it
Already getting texts from buddies who saw the video and who have suggestions. Getting expensive! 😂
Please give me 1st dibs if you ever decided to sell this car. :) Awesome content, keep up the good work bro.
Storing the removed parts on the floor is a non starter.
Electric????seriously...its a clutch job...just a few sensor wires...comon
American workshops always seem very messy and not overly professional
I’m happy with the work though 😄
this video would be perfect if it had incessant and distracting music droning on meaninglessly and ceaselessly from beginning to end...particulalry when there's potential to hear something interesting.
simon lloyd thanks for the feedback. Now let me give you some.
If you don’t like it, you don’t have to watch it 😃