D1 Wrestler vs BJJ Brown Belt ABSOLUTE SCRAP! | Mikey England vs Austin Baker

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  • Division 1 Wrestler and MMA prospect Mikey England takes on Gracie Barra brown belt Austin Baker during the Semi-Finals of the Men's Advanced No-Gi Absolute at Sub Spectrum: Des Moines (June 2019)
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  • @YouStupidBunny
    @YouStupidBunny 3 роки тому +536

    I wrestled D1 during the mid-90's and rolled with a Jiu Jitsu blue belt. Most of the time, I thought I was winning until I was trapped. That was a humbling experience.

    • @dallaswilliams1002
      @dallaswilliams1002 2 роки тому +24

      I was a horrible wrestler in high school. But i do good against blue belts. But thats because i knew self taught submissions. My first day of Wrestling practice i was 105 pounds and choked out a guy that was 215 in about 5 seconds. I was disappointed when i was told thats not allowed in wrestling

    • @rabbitazteca23
      @rabbitazteca23 2 роки тому +2

      @@dallaswilliams1002 lol yeah. chocking also isn't allowed in Jiu Jitsu tournaments right?

    • @ramon1930
      @ramon1930 2 роки тому +27

      @@rabbitazteca23 Wtf. Sure it is.

    • @zymond8405
      @zymond8405 2 роки тому +3

      Personally as a state champion, I usually cap out against brown belts. I know my few self taught submissions and wrestle cautious so I don't get caught in something. I usually try to roll in to my Kimura or a front face side choke with like arm pressure (idk I'm not a bjj guy).

    • @dallaswilliams1002
      @dallaswilliams1002 2 роки тому

      @Mason Ferris that's true. I went to a judo gym one time and almost everyone their was a black belt. I destroyed every black belt but one. We were about even, but he also trained at other places for a long time before that. I was submitting everyone else atleast twice in 2 minute drills

  • @AnGhaeilge
    @AnGhaeilge 3 роки тому +353

    Butt-scooting should be banned in submission grappling. It gives BJJ players no incentive to learn how to take someone down.

    • @alex.pendleton
      @alex.pendleton 3 роки тому +68

      As a jiu jitsu fighter i agree. It has given jiu jitsu a bad image over the years. It is a ground fighting art so you should learn how to take it there.

    • @alex.pendleton
      @alex.pendleton 3 роки тому +32

      @Shaun K running isn’t all about knowing how to put your shoes on, but its pretty damn important to do first. I also don’t think that anyone implied that grappling is all about takedowns. Its just something you should know.

    • @AnGhaeilge
      @AnGhaeilge 3 роки тому +25

      @Shaun K If you can't take someone down, what control exactly do you have over them? I've trained both BJJ and Judo - takedowns are essential for the real world to apply your BJJ.

    • @Mishkola
      @Mishkola 3 роки тому +11

      @Shaun K there is a reason why you don't see a lot of butt scooting in MMA; even though MMA doesn't directly translate to the real world, it gets a little closer than more restrictive sports.

    • @johnmcadam7493
      @johnmcadam7493 3 роки тому +1

      100 % ... think Khabib and GSP

  • @kallepikku4991
    @kallepikku4991 3 роки тому +1033

    Title should say:
    "190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt".

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +207

      Not making a statement about BJJ vs Wrestling. If anything we wanted to showcase how incredibly effective wrestling can be when you understand a little BJJ. It’s simply a title and a thumbnail that gets people to click. If I posted this video with their names or a different title, it might get 100 views in a day. With this thumbnail and title it’s gotten over 11,000 in less than a day and because of that more people than every know who these men are - compared to if I just named it “Mikey England vs Austin Baker”

    • @kallepikku4991
      @kallepikku4991 3 роки тому +142

      @@subspectrumbjj I'm pretty sure the title "190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt" would get the same or even more views. At least there is an underdog to root for.

    • @alessandrosaltsman2202
      @alessandrosaltsman2202 3 роки тому +74

      Based on how your speaking, it comes to sound that your a wrestler, who feels attacked. I know how you feel, because I felt the same. But you have to understand that this isn’t about which one is better. Both are very effective, however, wrestling tends to favor the feet, and BJJ favors the ground. It went exactly as expected. I wrestled for ten years, and I’ve done BJJ for 4 months. It proves how effective it is. Please understand that this isn’t about which one is better, it’s about a really good match between two different grappling backgrounds.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +13

      @@alessandrosaltsman2202 Exactly! ^^^

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +6

      I think I must’ve thought I was responding to a different suggestion cause this is actually a good one.

  • @HookEm21
    @HookEm21 3 роки тому +545

    Impressive how evenly matched they were despite the major size difference

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +42

      Agreed. Styles make matchups and this was a perfect example of that fact.

    • @Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion
      @Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion 2 роки тому +5

      Wait who was bigger!?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  2 роки тому +36

      @@Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion Austin had about 50 lbs on Mikey

    • @godsmack1716
      @godsmack1716 2 роки тому +7

      I didnt it was that close tbh.....close un points but Austin had his back twice with 2 close chokes and two sweeps.....

    • @Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion
      @Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion 2 роки тому +33

      @@subspectrumbjj holy shit. 50 pounds? Could you imagine if they weighed the same. Crazy

  • @cheesymac6732
    @cheesymac6732 3 роки тому +411

    That was insane how he managed to escape the almost rear naked choke hold

    • @farhcawalid8224
      @farhcawalid8224 3 роки тому +14

      That's because he is calm

    • @markg9749
      @markg9749 3 роки тому

      @@farhcawalid8224 Yes...OSS...!!

    • @fernandofigueirinhas7110
      @fernandofigueirinhas7110 3 роки тому +12

      @@farhcawalid8224 time management was perfect. But I would've tapped before he even started choking 😭

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +24

      There’s a lot that went into his ability to defend that choke. I speak on it briefly in the commentary but would love to dive a little deeper into an explanation about it.

    • @raptorfeet
      @raptorfeet 3 роки тому +3

      @@subspectrumbjj would love to see that. Subbing in hopes you make that vid.

  • @The_YouTube_Critic
    @The_YouTube_Critic 3 роки тому +691

    Nice to see the wrestler in the appropriate division. I've seen some D1 and MMA guys cleaning out whitebelt divisions lately.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +143

      We would never allow it and Mikey would never do that. He wants to compete against and beat the best. With a little more Jiu Jitsu experience I believe he could do really well in the ADCC ruleset.

    • @The_YouTube_Critic
      @The_YouTube_Critic 3 роки тому +54

      @@subspectrumbjj I appreciate that mindset. There was a money comp that I'm not going to name. The white belt winners were MMA fighters and a D1 wrestler. I've been to past comps with Judo black belts and such competing at white belt. I just don't understand it.

    • @VoltedSoldier
      @VoltedSoldier 3 роки тому +53

      @@The_UA-cam_Critic it's because they are afraid, afraid of getting rag dolled by someone with their own level of skill.

    • @kevin8462
      @kevin8462 3 роки тому +27

      I enjoy facing better fighters as a white belt. Our gym throws us to the wolves and forces different levels of experience for all of us. The wrestlers are savages,

    • @samuelemeryjiujitsu
      @samuelemeryjiujitsu 3 роки тому +5

      Lately?

  • @otosbutt
    @otosbutt 3 роки тому +242

    As a beginner, the commentary is very helpful. I am able to see and understand things better unlike videos without explanation. Thanks!

  • @danieloftamriel
    @danieloftamriel 3 роки тому +136

    5:24 Now *THAT* is chain wrestling

  • @Dpackie
    @Dpackie 3 роки тому +153

    Wrestling takedowns and control can nullify a lot of BJJ. Size differential can really nullify a lot of wrestling. There's magic in the blending of both moment to moment.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +9

      No doubt - it's a great match!

    • @keanenfulton4696
      @keanenfulton4696 Рік тому +3

      Train both BJJ and Wrestling I say, through in some techniques from Judo and Sambo and you got an unstoppable grappler

    • @fr201
      @fr201 Рік тому +3

      @@keanenfulton4696 train wrestling first, as a kid in youth league. Then BJJ when you get a little older, 16+. The foundation in wrestling is far superior.

    • @yusufgta4341
      @yusufgta4341 Рік тому

      SV not if you end up on your back. Wrestlers aren't good on their backs or know to protect their backs.

    • @fr201
      @fr201 Рік тому +1

      @@yusufgta4341 I'm not sure what you mean. I said train both... but for kids, train Wrestling first b/c there's a built-in network of youth Wrestling leagues across the US in every public school nationwide. BJJ is still niche coast to coast. Both are great for different reasons. Wrestling for power/controls, BJJ for finishing.

  • @Roll_Vids
    @Roll_Vids 3 роки тому +213

    5:24-5:44 Wrestling clinic. 20 seconds of gold!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +20

      Seriously! Can’t tell you how many times I’ve clipped that section out and posted it to Instagram. It’s a thing of beauty!

    • @jasonbennett2194
      @jasonbennett2194 3 роки тому +5

      watch for the woman in the back with her mouth open in awe at the end of the clip hahahha

    • @Roll_Vids
      @Roll_Vids 3 роки тому +2

      @@jasonbennett2194 Funny - I think that's what I did too. Maybe not for as long as her, though.

    • @user-pp9bl5gr1n
      @user-pp9bl5gr1n 3 роки тому

      Finishing is more important...u slammed him now how do u finish?

    • @ChrisBenJericho
      @ChrisBenJericho Рік тому

      @@user-pp9bl5gr1n ground and pound

  • @PUNEETAM20
    @PUNEETAM20 3 роки тому +77

    That recovery from the crank with full back control was insane

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +5

      For real though. His escapes in this match were crazy. Couldn’t believe he kept Austin from getting all the way to his back with hooks in

  • @davidhelman3045
    @davidhelman3045 2 роки тому +18

    There was a massive weight difference between the two and anyone who has any experience in wrestling or grappling knows how hard and exhausting it is when the other guy has 30-40lbs on you

  • @alex.pendleton
    @alex.pendleton 3 роки тому +127

    I enjoy seeing comments of wrestlers and jiu jitsu practitioners giving props to one another. Both are needed to become a great grappler!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +14

      Those are the comments we love to see. These videos are not suggesting bjj is better than wrestling or vice versa. They’re to show that all styles of grappling can be successful when used in the proper sequence. It’s those that can put it all together who will be Champions! Thanks for watching and interacting positively in the comments. It means a lot!

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 роки тому

      @@subspectrumbjj I would say that wrestling and BJJ have different strengths.

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 роки тому

      @Arrgh Jay If those top level BJJ guys ever try to start an MMA career, they’re going to need those wrestling basics. Just like you said - absorbing what is useful in each, which was what Bruce Lee said. He was right all along.

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 роки тому +2

      What is unfortunate is that people cannot formally train in Wrestling after they finish school, like they can in BJJ, Judo, or Karate.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      @Arrgh Jay it is absolutely a problem and something even I experienced up until the last year or so. I can tell you my game improved dramatically after implementing more wrestling and leveling up the intensity of the practices that I coach to be more like the wrestling practices I had in HS.

  • @harageilucid4352
    @harageilucid4352 3 роки тому +68

    Both of these guys are super impressive and this was so much fun to watch. THANK YOU!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +2

      Thank you for watching and interacting in the comments! We appreciate you!

  • @RikthDcruze
    @RikthDcruze 3 роки тому +50

    As a wrestler, I learnt a lot from BJJ guys. So respect.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +2

      I grew up wrestling and transitioned to BJJ after high school. Wrestling gave me a really great base to get started in BJJ. Forever grateful for everything I’ve learned about technique and life on the mats.

    • @cgiles9086
      @cgiles9086 Рік тому

      Can you reccomend a UA-cam channel that shows how practicioners of each style can use skills and technique from all the other grappling styles to fill the gaps in their grappling game?

    • @rodrigovela6117
      @rodrigovela6117 Рік тому

      @@cgiles9086sambofusion9486

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 5 місяців тому

      Wrestlers who have experience grappling with BJJ students who have their basics down - generally have respect for it. The people who show disrespect for BJJ - are the ones who have zero experience with it.

  • @SwordTune
    @SwordTune 3 роки тому +96

    1:28
    "Beautiful single leg."
    White shirt: It would be a shame if people couldn't enjoy this.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +4

      It was a multi camera set up so it was hard to stay out of the way of all cameras, okay lol I’ll do better next time 😂

    • @SwordTune
      @SwordTune 3 роки тому +3

      @@subspectrumbjj Haha, that's fine. But if you have multiple cameras, switching perspective would be very helpful.

    • @mariamamart8086
      @mariamamart8086 3 роки тому

      Yeah that was a good Single Leg Sweep !!!!!!!
      🤙💪👌
      👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @jon4226
    @jon4226 3 роки тому +19

    5:56 is so smooth

  • @dapras
    @dapras 3 роки тому +13

    Man he got heart fighting out of that backtake rear naked choke attempt..beautiful match very good both guys

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      No doubt. I broke down some of the things he did technically to escape in another comment and plan to do a video breakdown during the month of June!
      Thanks for checking out the video and dropping a comment for the algorithm! 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes in the video out more than most people realize!

  • @jackwellington8275
    @jackwellington8275 3 роки тому +16

    that flip around he did at the end with his legs was crazy

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Well timed and executed sweep from the bigger man - Austin Baker! Mikey got a little overzealous in that position and paid the price. Excited to see a rematch between these two at some point down the road!

  • @riggsmurtah2788
    @riggsmurtah2788 3 роки тому +25

    Houdini with the escape act, incredible!

  • @steveniedowicz8335
    @steveniedowicz8335 3 роки тому +7

    You can tell the wrestler is a great attack wrestler. Set ups and takedowns were flawless.

  • @almondfreeman6278
    @almondfreeman6278 3 роки тому +33

    Mad props to the wrestler on 2:46 U gotta have a lot of mental strength and patience to pull that off!!!

  • @michaelmckay3179
    @michaelmckay3179 Рік тому +9

    Give that wrestler much credit. If he learns some more jiu-jitsu he will be a beast

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  Рік тому

      He is. Really solid MMA fighter on the cusp of getting his opportunity in the UFC.

  • @ws8061
    @ws8061 2 роки тому +8

    Awesome commentary and great match. I know grappling can be boring for your average person but matches like this with solid commentary are so fun.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  2 роки тому

      Really appreciate that man! I love doing commentary and while I still feel like I have a long way to go to become the commentator I believe I can be - it’s nice to be recognized for doing something right 🙏🏼

  • @blakerussell4639
    @blakerussell4639 3 роки тому +5

    This is amazing just goes to show what happens when a wrestler dives into rolling. Division and Olympic wrestlers are a whole ass animal in themselves.

  • @mrd2392
    @mrd2392 3 роки тому +11

    1:28 a beautiful leg sweep

  • @braedenwilliams6339
    @braedenwilliams6339 3 роки тому +1

    Absolutely beautiful to watch, and the commentary was informative and easy to digest for all audiences 👍🏽

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +1

      Appreciate the kind words and the positive comment, Braedan!

  • @kickinwinghotboi883
    @kickinwinghotboi883 Рік тому +1

    I like how you can really tell which one the wrestler is just by his style and how he approaches everything

  • @Bowamaketona
    @Bowamaketona 3 роки тому +78

    As a wrestler absolute respect for the jiu-jitsu guy going takedowns with the d1 guy. That was a superb performance. Obv a blackbelt should beat a d1 wrestler with little to moderate experience in grappling. The way the jiu-jitsu guy baited him into getting out of position was art. There's so much that can be learned from this video and I'm sure the wrestler enjoyed the experience

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +9

      Exactly why this is one of my favorite matches in the archive. You really get to see a lot of great grappling between two guys with completely different backgrounds. Just a great match all around.

    • @user-gb4zq9np7m
      @user-gb4zq9np7m 3 роки тому +11

      Being 50lbs also helps

    • @Bowamaketona
      @Bowamaketona 3 роки тому +2

      @@user-gb4zq9np7m I don't care much about the weight and neither did the wrestler. The results would be very similar if the weight was the same. A d1 wrestler with not a lot of jiu-jitsu experience has little chance against a black belt. But a purple or brown belt d1 wrestler should be able to stop a black belt 6/10 times

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 роки тому

      I wonder what goes through the mind of a wrestler when his opponent goes to the butt-scoot position?

    • @Bowamaketona
      @Bowamaketona 3 роки тому

      @@perfectsplit5515 "don't extend your arms"

  • @zaiah9252
    @zaiah9252 2 роки тому +4

    Really good friendly match. While Austin did great and has really good submissions, I was very impressed by Mikey’s takedowns on the big buy and his defense of getting out of those chokes.

  • @jonathanbarnes4597
    @jonathanbarnes4597 3 роки тому +3

    This was a great match. Both opponents deserve respect.

  • @DP-dd6hl
    @DP-dd6hl 3 роки тому +1

    Great effort from both. They kept going strong right to the end as they were both already exhausted from a whole day of rolling.

  • @danadane2501
    @danadane2501 3 роки тому +27

    After wrestling and doing gi jiu jitsu I learned very quickly how important both are . Most importantly developing a hybrid . Learned a lot from the judo players as well . They have submissions and take downs you wont find in BJJ .

    • @evision4418
      @evision4418 3 роки тому +6

      all 3 is best!

    • @danadane2501
      @danadane2501 3 роки тому +2

      @@evision4418 I'd be more worried about someone is super good at one thing than okay at many .

    • @erickirschenbaum2804
      @erickirschenbaum2804 3 роки тому +4

      Judo takedowns are such a great tool in the clinch their submission could maybe also surprise a pure bjj or wrestling guy. It's important to know all 3

    • @danadane2501
      @danadane2501 3 роки тому +3

      @@erickirschenbaum2804 Yep , I was never an expert at any of these but I know all 3 . So it really helps when you're going up against higher belts or wrestlers that can practically hold a freightliner down .

    • @DivineAtheistWannabe
      @DivineAtheistWannabe Рік тому

      Now just learn muay thai

  • @chesterg.791
    @chesterg.791 2 роки тому +6

    I wrestled in college and placed top 5 in the nation. When I go grapple, I usually handle the bjj guys. I just don't know many submissions. Wrestling translates extremely well.

  • @larrycarol6693
    @larrycarol6693 2 роки тому

    Nice channel. Long time wrestler too old to start Jujitsu but starting to watch it more.
    How come some matches are weight classes and some are not? Do they win the weight class and grapple for event/ open championship?

  • @brysonz
    @brysonz 3 роки тому +2

    Great match. That escape and sweep to top at the end was magic.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Austin is back this Saturday in both our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolutes! We’ll be going live Saturday at 9:30 AM central time if you wanna tune in and check it out 🎥🔥 guaranteed to be an awesome event!

  • @kennethlundgren
    @kennethlundgren 3 роки тому +14

    that was an awesome match -- these guys should become sparring partners for each other

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +2

      That would be awesome. Would love to see these guys tear it up in the training room too. That’s where you get the best footage! 🎥🚀

  • @kvlife4265
    @kvlife4265 3 роки тому +10

    BJJ guy was bigger stronger taller and was able to just lift the wrestling guy when in dangerous position..
    good sportsmanship great competition..
    keep it up guys you both are high level

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Thank you for checking out the video and leaving a positive comment! Appreciate you!

  • @hugoalju
    @hugoalju 3 роки тому +2

    The balance display on both of them is amazing, I would have fallen like a log.

  • @dont_trust_any1_even_ur_waifu
    @dont_trust_any1_even_ur_waifu 2 роки тому +2

    Wow crazy how far wrestling can take you in a different sport

  • @rabbitazteca23
    @rabbitazteca23 2 роки тому +8

    I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles. It's a great combination. Takedowns + submission = beast level. Of course if you are gonna be in the MMA, aside from tackling and submitting, you are gonna need to learn other styles that utilize punches and kicks.

    • @soramirez5473
      @soramirez5473 Рік тому

      proficient jab to keep strikers away (mayb a side kick too) and work on bringing them elbows down hard while on top and you should be fine..

    • @Downey-2000
      @Downey-2000 Рік тому +1

      Takedowns plus submitting is catch as catch can wrestling .

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 5 місяців тому +1

      "I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles."
      BJJ comes from Judo, Japanese jujitsu, and Catch Wrestling. Esai Maeda was a Catch Wrestler, in addition to being a judoka. It is my understanding that later on, Carlson Gracie integrated wrestling into his version of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Additionally, Rolls Gracie took up wrestling and he probably took content from wrestling into BJJ.

  • @Orrintl
    @Orrintl 3 роки тому +5

    I've fought Austin a few x and man he is somthing special. Good all around guy.

  • @laurencedeyn3526
    @laurencedeyn3526 3 роки тому +1

    The commentary on this match was exceptional.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Thank you! I really enjoy doing commentary and just this year have been able to get back to doing it. I personally feel like I still have a lot of work to do to be the level of commentator that I believe I can be but it’s nice to know I’m doing something right. Thank you for the kind words and for dropping a comment for the algorithm 🙌🏼📈🚀

  • @jordanmaldonado1521
    @jordanmaldonado1521 Рік тому

    Both amazing to watch. Can go either way every time. I loved watching GSP wrestle. He had it down perfect

  • @86Yaro360
    @86Yaro360 3 роки тому +4

    Both of them are very technical, really good match

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Thank you for checking it out and interacting in the comments! 🚀

  • @ModernBeastx1
    @ModernBeastx1 3 роки тому +17

    That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.. THAT WAS INSANE!!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +2

      Regardless of the opponent - Austin is a high level grappler. Showed it once again in our most recent even taking Submission victories in all six matches along the way to capturing our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolute titles 🏆🏆

    • @anonymousreviewer169
      @anonymousreviewer169 Рік тому +1

      Lachlan Giles does this in one of his free UA-cam videos. If you're really interested, let me know and I'll figure the link + timestamp. And yes, it's a really nice move.

    • @ModernBeastx1
      @ModernBeastx1 Рік тому

      @@anonymousreviewer169 please do.

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 5 місяців тому

      "That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.."
      If he initiated it from the receiving end of sidemount, then it is not actually a sweep, but an escape.

  • @DanielCrossBoss
    @DanielCrossBoss 3 роки тому +2

    I’ve wrestled for 11 years and I can tell you right now it’s mental to get where you want to be.

    • @xy5844
      @xy5844 3 роки тому

      what do you mean?

    • @DanielCrossBoss
      @DanielCrossBoss 3 роки тому

      @@xy5844 like how hard you practice and what your goals are affect where you end up that’s for a lot of things

    • @xy5844
      @xy5844 3 роки тому

      thanks for answering i follow wrestling and i enjoy it but im old and its hard where i live to find a gym that teaches this old art

  • @Funkafella01
    @Funkafella01 2 роки тому

    Great work from both competitors

  • @Tartaruga728
    @Tartaruga728 3 роки тому +3

    Mikey is a stud and D1 wrestler. At that level those guys are “black belts” in base, scramble, hand fighting, escapes, pins, takedowns, grit, explosion, conditioning, mental toughness etc. they are used to no gi handles. Mikey is also an up and coming mma fighter. A smart grappler and a great guy. I’m a fan!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Thank you for the comment! Mikey is a great dude 🚀

  • @dreamtobeapolyglot8444
    @dreamtobeapolyglot8444 2 роки тому +12

    As someone that does jiujitsu I can’t stand how so many jiujitsu people immediately drop down to their butt and then scoot around.

    • @TheAlgerietop
      @TheAlgerietop 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah , like , let's pretend getting a kick to the face is a possible threat. It makes the fight look dumb

    • @bobbymccullough3210
      @bobbymccullough3210 2 роки тому +5

      @@TheAlgerietop It's a sport, not a street fight.

    • @TheEuropeanTrey
      @TheEuropeanTrey 2 роки тому +2

      @@TheAlgerietop Amazing logic there Algerie!! You know, the next time I have a Jiu Jitsu match I’ll start with a hook kick or a flying knee!

  • @rather8948
    @rather8948 3 роки тому +1

    Great match guys good work keep it up hope too see you make some money soon

  • @Mulligatawney
    @Mulligatawney 2 роки тому

    Is this is a sub only rule set? Didn't see any points for e.g. back control.

  • @SwordTune
    @SwordTune 3 роки тому +13

    At this point, I have to wonder: what is jiu-jitsu? It's not a thing anymore, it's many things. Unlike amateur wrestling, which has much stricter rulesets, BJJ (and more importantly its practitioners) are happy to co-opt other styles and then call it part of their own jiu-jitsu. Wrestling techniques are now for wrestling AND jiu-jitsu. Or judo AND jiu-jitsu. Styles don't really mean anything anymore, and really have to wonder when "x vs y" will fade away as title names because they're already almost meaningless.

    • @RedPilled-qj9mr
      @RedPilled-qj9mr 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, it does seem like styles don't mean much. It's just good grappling between two skilled athletes.

  • @kelshawnz5382
    @kelshawnz5382 3 роки тому +11

    I used to train mma with Mikey. Guy is a monster no cap💯

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +3

      No don’t about it. They don’t call him the “Maniac” for no reason 😤

  • @racer89gt
    @racer89gt 3 роки тому +1

    Great match from both sides. Good work gentlemen.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Thanks for checking it out and commenting! 🙏🏼🚀

  • @gleep83
    @gleep83 3 роки тому +1

    Those standing trips by the wrestler are a thing of beauty.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      He put on the clinic on the feet. And even on the ground he held his own and did a tremendous job defending the back and chokes. Especially when you see what Austin did in our most recent event - it’s truly impressive. Mikey England is no joke.

  • @dfpguitar
    @dfpguitar 3 роки тому +16

    I think mikey would've won if body weights had been equal. But at the same time I really like that in sub grappling people are very loose with weight divisions.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +4

      Hard to say if that is true or not, but like you said, it’s very common to see huge weight discrepancies in submission grappling - especially in this bracket. Our Absolutes draw athletes of all sizes!

    • @dfpguitar
      @dfpguitar 3 роки тому +4

      @@subspectrumbjj hard to say for sure yes. But that D1 status means a lot. Because even when a wrestler or judoka lacks the arsenal or finesse of a submission specialist, simple relentless pressure of being pushed, pulled, thrown and slammed can physically or mentally break a more skilled opponent. The wrestler having come from such an environment, is likely to have better raw strength and cardio too. If you take khabib for example, most his career has involved wrecking opponents with relentless takedowns, controls, trips and throws. The submissions he finally applied have never been things his opponents never knew how to get out of, but eventually they just give up.

    • @Treakerr
      @Treakerr 3 роки тому +1

      @@dfpguitar he would have won for sure if the weight was more even.

    • @allrounder242
      @allrounder242 2 роки тому

      @@dfpguitar ya but without his bjj knowledge
      He would've got submitted way earlier my dude

  • @mattwestcigarreviews
    @mattwestcigarreviews 3 роки тому +18

    D1 wrestler WITH BJJ experience against Brown Belt.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +5

      Correct with like 12-18 months of BJJ Experience. The title is meant to keep it short & simple - providing enough context to interest viewers!

    • @thecasuallongsword
      @thecasuallongsword 3 роки тому +1

      There's also catch wrestling. Most D1 wrestlers have some submission experience.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +2

      @@thecasuallongsword Plus the dude has been wrestling for 20+ years and doing BJJ for 12-18 months. If he was going to identify as anything it would be “a wrestler.” The “D1” provides context about the level of wrestler that he is.

  • @AOMartialArts
    @AOMartialArts 2 роки тому +2

    Dang. That situp sweep was Week 1 white belt technique. Always cool to see the basics in competition.

  • @DOSEightyEight
    @DOSEightyEight 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome, Do you have a video of the final after this match?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Yes! We’ll be uploading that match here shortly so stay tuned!

    • @DOSEightyEight
      @DOSEightyEight 3 роки тому +1

      @@subspectrumbjj cool! Thanks for the quick response. Liked and subscribing.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      @@DOSEightyEight Of course! Thanks for checking it out and interacting in the comments! 🙏🏼🚀 It’s helps us out a ton!

  • @bbkyjohnson
    @bbkyjohnson 3 роки тому +4

    It was just nice to see a video of a bjj guy that was willing to stand at all for once!! Excellent work for both of them in my opinion. The winner was just to big in my opinion.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Too big and too skilled. The way he set up that last sweep was beautiful. Driving into Mikey so he would drive back in, switches directions, and SWEEP!

    • @Treakerr
      @Treakerr 3 роки тому +3

      @@subspectrumbjj he was just too big. Wth size comes strength. The wrestler could only do so much with his skills. I give all props to the wrestler, he didn't get tapped at all and he's a stud for going in there.

    • @bbkyjohnson
      @bbkyjohnson 2 роки тому +1

      Can’t deny the skills. Every time he made a mistake he made him pay for it. I saw someone mentioned 65 pounds as the tipping point for an advantage in grappling in another comment which is complete bs in my opinion. If that was the case then why are most weight classes about 15 pounds except for heavyweights? I’ve always been super impressed with the body control and flexibility of high level bjj guys. Bjj is a thing of beauty at high levels. I sometimes wish they would mix in more judo and wrestling takedowns as the 3 different skill sets seem like they would compliment each other extremely well?

  • @elenchus
    @elenchus 3 роки тому +14

    good performance from the wrestler in spite of a big weight difference. How much jiujitsu training has he had before this?

    • @Midnitedreary88
      @Midnitedreary88 3 роки тому +4

      Probably very little we didnt try any submissions I'd love to see these divison 1 wrestlers train in submission wrestling
      The outcome would be very different

    • @elenchus
      @elenchus 3 роки тому +4

      @@Midnitedreary88 but he defended submissions very smoothly as well

    • @Midnitedreary88
      @Midnitedreary88 3 роки тому +2

      @@elenchus
      I agree

    • @shrimuyopa8117
      @shrimuyopa8117 3 роки тому +7

      Most of these video headlines are misleading. Almost all of the matches the guys train at jiu-jitsu gyms but might have backgrounds in other martial arts.
      It is click bait.

    • @bane3991
      @bane3991 3 роки тому +3

      He looks like he has had a lot of BJJ training before hand. Look at the way he's defending and look how smooth he is in these positions.

  • @roxanna1971
    @roxanna1971 3 роки тому +2

    2:36 why does he fight off the left leg instead of trying to fight the hands? Sorry if it's a stupid quest just a curious white belt.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +7

      No stupid questions man. Thank you for asking and giving me a chance to analyze the position to give my opinion about why he would have done that.
      In that position if he begins to address the choke, his hands are occupied and unable to be used for anything except defending his neck. Austin was already sliding off the back and although the choke looks deep, if Austin cannot maintain the chest to back connection, it’s very unlikely he will finish the choke.
      Austin committed to the choke instead of the seatbelt giving him less overall control. The position and movement of Mikey’s shoulders is already disrupting the chest to back connection that Austin needs to finish the choke. Because of that shoulder movement and positioning he can dedicate his efforts to fighting the hook coming over the top and to his far hip because without that hook Austin is unable to regain the chest to back connection that is required to maintain control and finish the choke.

  • @pdeezz
    @pdeezz Рік тому

    Great commentary 👌

  • @juggernautmma42
    @juggernautmma42 3 роки тому +4

    That sweep at 5:58 is fire

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      He set it up perfectly too. Driving into Mikey knowing he would push back and when he did - sent him for a ride!

  • @josephklostermanjr.4687
    @josephklostermanjr.4687 3 роки тому +3

    What's the weight difference here?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +4

      Probably 50ish lbs. The cash prize Absolutes create some pretty crazy match-ups.

    • @josephklostermanjr.4687
      @josephklostermanjr.4687 3 роки тому +5

      @@subspectrumbjj the wrestler was impressive despite the difference. Both amazing athletes for sure

    • @GallowsPole805
      @GallowsPole805 3 роки тому +5

      That weight difference.... ouch

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +2

      @@GallowsPole805 That’s what you get when you enter the Cash Prize Advanced Absolute!

    • @GallowsPole805
      @GallowsPole805 3 роки тому +1

      @@subspectrumbjj yeah I know... he signed up

  • @larryzeka5011
    @larryzeka5011 3 роки тому

    Two great competitors 👏👏👏

  • @rns7426
    @rns7426 10 місяців тому

    Well played match 👏
    I love seeing that BJJ can bring together wrestlers, judoka, sambo and BJJ into formats where everyone can cross pollinate.
    I love all grappling!

  • @Phelly2
    @Phelly2 3 роки тому +9

    Not talking smack at all. I'm really not. I'm actually a BJJ player, not a wrestler.
    But watching the BJJ guy butt scooting and pulling guard in order to avoid wrestling with the wrestler, while it is a smart thing to do, it just highlights to me how the BJJ ruleset handicaps wrestlers.
    Reminds me a bit of Floyd Mayweather using boxing rules to escape every compromising position Conor McGregor put him into, which, in any other set of rules, would've led to a complete mauling.

  • @kimberleyasselin8614
    @kimberleyasselin8614 3 роки тому +6

    did really well against a 50lb disadvantage, next do 240lb div 1 wrestler against 190 lb bjj brown belt

    • @Treakerr
      @Treakerr 3 роки тому +5

      That brown belt would get slaughtered if the weight classes were switched lol. Suplex city.

    • @lachlanbell8390
      @lachlanbell8390 3 роки тому

      I was wondering what the weight difference was, it clearly wasn't evenly matched in that regard. 50lbs is pretty huge.

  • @conorsreps5265
    @conorsreps5265 3 роки тому +1

    This is what it’s all about!! Great match

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Truly a great match. Thanks for checking out the channel 🙏🏼🚀

  • @AB-ou5qc
    @AB-ou5qc 2 роки тому

    For a total noob do you suggest bjj first and add wrestling to compliment or Vice versa

  • @vutran3758
    @vutran3758 3 роки тому +3

    A D1 wrestler is a black belt level grappler

  • @DC-kj3in
    @DC-kj3in 3 роки тому +3

    Imagine the match if they were the same size.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      What do you think would happen? This is the game you play when you enter the Sub Spectrum Absolutes!

  • @heatto162
    @heatto162 2 роки тому

    I was waiting for some underhook throws or some throwing the legs in on top from the d1.

  • @omnigeddon
    @omnigeddon 3 роки тому +1

    Great match.. very talented guys

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      No doubt about it. Thanks for checking it out!

  • @shoto520
    @shoto520 3 роки тому +4

    I started realizing I’ve been doing 2 different Jiujitsu styles...one for sport and the other for self defense.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +1

      Exactly. It’s possible to train and compete with two different styles for different kinds of competition or emphasis.

  • @zane2664
    @zane2664 3 роки тому +6

    Nice to see Mark Kerr found the elixir of youth

  • @bshadrick
    @bshadrick 3 роки тому +1

    As a Muay Thai and Tang Soo Do Master, this is very new to me. I really enjoyed it! To my untrained eye, they seemed somewhat similar in technique. Thanks for posting.....Bill

  • @mizu1000
    @mizu1000 2 роки тому

    I don’t grapple, but liked this video - commentary was good at explaining what was going on 👍

  • @adamkhan4451
    @adamkhan4451 3 роки тому +5

    This is not wrestling verse bjj. These headlines are lame. Great match tho

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +6

      You likely wouldn’t have stumbled upon the match without the click baity title. More people watch the match and interact in the comments thus pushing the video to a much larger audience than if the video was simply titled “Mikey England vs Austin Baker” - in the end, more people see the match and thus more people know these amazing athletes names.

    • @adamkhan4451
      @adamkhan4451 3 роки тому +1

      @@subspectrumbjj fair enough. appreciate the honesty

    • @ladev91
      @ladev91 3 роки тому

      @@subspectrumbjj that's why I clicked

  • @dougweaver5456
    @dougweaver5456 3 роки тому +3

    I’ve seen more exciting chess matches

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +4

      Congratulations lol go watch chess.

    • @perfectsplit5515
      @perfectsplit5515 3 роки тому

      I’ve seen more exciting choreographed movie fights. I watch actual competitions so I can see what is realistic, rather than what is exciting.

  • @kumo3425
    @kumo3425 2 роки тому +1

    Can someone explain me the ranking in American wrestling ? What’s D1 ? National ?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  2 роки тому

      There’s probably somebody who could explain it better, but I’ll do my best.
      Thank Division 1 is the highest level of collegiate wrestling and includes the top 75 or so college programs.
      Below that is Division 2, Division 3, NAIA, Junior College, etc.

  • @drummaster755
    @drummaster755 2 роки тому

    I was really impressed by the wrestler . They both did a great job and showed great skills.

  • @bluegorilla1006
    @bluegorilla1006 3 роки тому +4

    Jesus saves. Love you guys.

  • @barcalona55
    @barcalona55 2 роки тому +1

    that dude escapes chose chokes so easily. It takes so much skill and knowledge to get out of those.

  • @yessum15
    @yessum15 3 роки тому +1

    Great upload, great match. Mikey's a stud for sure. Title of the vid is fine, no need to mention weight, but you should address discrepancy in the description.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +1

      This is our Advanced No-Gi Absolute, so almost every match has a weight discrepancy. Last event we had a match that was 170 lbs vs 330 lbs 😳

    • @yessum15
      @yessum15 3 роки тому

      @@subspectrumbjj Lol u people are maniacs 👍

  • @RadThad89
    @RadThad89 3 роки тому +1

    Great match!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Thanks for checking it out and interacting in the comments Thad! 🚀Helps us and the athletes out a ton!

  • @bobbydabutcha
    @bobbydabutcha 2 роки тому

    Would be interesting to see a more even sized match up.

  • @bradleycato1641
    @bradleycato1641 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome match

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Indeed! Thanks for checking it out 🙏🏼🚀

  • @jtms1200
    @jtms1200 2 роки тому

    no points for the back take with both hooks in and stabilized? Is this a sub only tourney or something?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  2 роки тому

      Similar to ADCC rules where the first half of the match is unscored and submission only and the second half of the match is scored.

  • @Crystals10000
    @Crystals10000 2 роки тому

    im a 210 lb blue belt and i often think id like to add more wrestling to my skill set we did have wrestling classes at one point but its gone now

  • @TheNamesDalton
    @TheNamesDalton 3 роки тому +1

    great matchup and SICK Gyarados tatto

  • @arambrown9116
    @arambrown9116 3 роки тому

    I don't understand. Do wrestlers do submissions? What was this for?

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  2 роки тому +1

      Mikey, a Division 1 wrestler with about 12-18 months BJJ experience, entered our Advanced No-Gi Absolute (open weight, open rank) and made it to the semi-finals where he faced off against Austin, a BJJ Brown Belt.

  • @andym1594
    @andym1594 3 роки тому +1

    phenomenal!

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Thank you for checking out the match and leaving a positive comment. Appreciate you!

  • @rb9998
    @rb9998 3 роки тому +1

    So much to see

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому +1

      It’s a great match! Thanks for checking it out.

  • @freecheese4143
    @freecheese4143 3 роки тому +1

    Man this was good entertaining match.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it! Appreciate you checking it out and dropping a comment for the algorithm 🙌🏼 helps not only the channel but the athletes in the video out more than most people realize! 🙏🏼

  • @joshuabunkers1494
    @joshuabunkers1494 3 роки тому

    Always interesting when BJJ competitor competes against a wrestler and the BJJ uses a lot of the moves that originated in wrestling, like the double-hooks and riding from behind.

  • @mattmgarza
    @mattmgarza 2 роки тому

    I've always heard the jiu jitsu community is small, but I didn't expect to hear the name of someone I've rolled with as a previous competitor in this tournament, lol. Jesseray Childrey (sp?), prior to Covid he was occasionally at our school during the no-gi. He's an absolute beast. He was probably giving me 5% effort and crushing me.

  • @AncientAccomplishments
    @AncientAccomplishments 3 роки тому +1

    Lotta great recoveries in this one.

    • @subspectrumbjj
      @subspectrumbjj  3 роки тому

      Mikey’s ability to keep Austin off his back and defend the choke attempts was tremendous. Seeing what Austin did this past Saturday makes this even more impressive.