Thanks a lot Alistair, except for my silly French accent that might be annoying at some point! Sometimes I get annoyed myself haha :) I'm happy it was useful!
Great Video my friend. I'm glad I bought at 6D 2 years ago to do Astrophotography . I guess the guy at the camera store was right. He told me this is a great camera for low light. What camera would you suggest as being number 1 for Astrophotography in 2020 and where does the 6D rank compared to the new camera. Many Thanks Kind regards Sean
kinda late, but from what i can tell, the 6D would be my first choice in HINDSIGHT. I bought a used A7S for it and it's GREAT, but over 30 second exposures and it's kinda usless due to the star eater noise algorithm. 6D is going to be great for longer, tracked exposures
Dear Adrien, thank you for such a great job! I think the best explanation about noise in astrophotography I've seen at UA-cam.... Few questions related to this topic. Do you think full spectrum astromodification will improve significantly SNR? Is it make sense for wide field astrophotography? By the way you missing Pentax DSLRs in your list of recommended cameras. Is the a reason for it?
I'm grateful for this. Where can I learn about the desirability of using a Canon 1DX II for astrophotography? Specifically, how it compares with the 5D IV? Thank you.
Jim Keener thanks Jim. Mmmm I’m actually not sure about that since I haven’t tried either. One of my fiends has the mark IV for Astro, but he get a lot of noise, still better than the 5d mk III... but you also will with the 1DX. I would prefer the 5D mk IV to be honest. The former has so many pixels that you will get extreme noise rapidly!
This was very helpful. As I understood, using a tracker will give you a better SNR but an increase in hot pixels due the longer exposure time. So what's worse?
if i may mkae a suggestion for a video. im fairly new to atrophotography and im shooting with a canon 80D, aps-c sensor. and im not sure if an upgrade to a FF camera would be a noticable imrovement and how much of a difference does it acutally make when shooting the nightsky? can you make direct comparison? same locations, same lens, same settings. just to have a 1:1 noise comparison from crop to fullframe sensor.
Thanks for the review. Coma was my big worry and I already have the Zeiss 15mm but after watching this and reading some other reviews I will get the lens this week (will maybe sell the Zeiss). I work in Scandinavia during the Winter as an aurora photography guide so mine will get a lot of use. Looking forward to that first big corona and being able to get some really quick shutter speeds :)
Hey Oliver! Thanks for the comment! You probably meant to write on my Sigma 14mm review video though? Anyways, yes I haven't tried the Zeiss and I like to test it out myself first before making any comment on it, but I can 100% recommend this one!! Can't wait for you ti buy it, and hoping to see some of your pictures!! Do you have a website or social media I could contact you on, I got some questions about your job! :)
Hi Adrien, yes I meant to do that on the other video! Not sure how that happened! My web site is www.oliverwrightphotography.com there should be some social media links on there too. Feel free to ask any questions!
Thanks Antonio! No I haven't, but I heard a lot of good things about it, especially its low light abilities. If course my list is biased, and I'm sure there are other good cams out there, but I'd love to try it one day! :)
BRilliant video. The only correction I would suggest is something you claims but complicating it. The first time you mentioned APSC you just mention they are smaller. At the second time you said the APSC sensor is smaller but take care with the pixel count. The way to unify it it just mention that the bigger pixel the better or the smaller the pixel density the better.
Well you can look into iOptron sky guider or sky tracker, Vixen also makes good and transportable ones like the Vixen Polarie, those are good for short and transportable tracking while using relatively light gear like a DSLR and a single lens (have used iOptron sky tracker and vixen polarie) :) Hope this helps!
Super well explained... I will share this tonight, when arrive home. Thank you!! BTW, I thought the Sony stars eating problems were with the new Sony cameras, not with the first Sony A7s... I have that one and never had the problem (maybe I have not noticed :D ).
Thanks a lot Marina! Well with the Sony a7s, if you have the old version of the firmware, you're good. I have the latest version, and the only possibility for me not to get the algorithm is to shoot outside the BULB mode, so in silent shooting mood... But for all other cameras in the alpha series, there's no chance whatsoever!! :)
Well explained. But, your last sentence "...there's no chance whatsoever...", I have plan to buy Sony A6300 for all purpose camera, but also from time to time for astrophotography. Is that the case with that camera too? Thank you in advance for your answer.
def. ISO 1600 on super 35 and probably around 2500/3600 in crop mode. Actually for the former I would say 400-800, because it just takes some haze or airglow to noise up the entire frame, even though this stupid algorithm processes noise in a very different way from Canon!
Hi Adrian, thanks for putting in so much of your research in one video. It is very helpful for me who is looking to start doing more astrophotography. I am planning on getting my old camera d5200 astromodified as a first step to capture the colours of night sky.. what do you think about it? In general this camera is not good with high iso.. do I think it is still worth it? I also have a d850 and it was great at capturing auroras, love it. But not ready to get it astromod.. let me know your thoughts..
Hi Ankit! Glad you liked the vid! :) Well it all depends on what you want to do, but don't be afraid to astromod! I don't know why a lot of people are somehow afraid they won't be able to take the same pictures anymore. But you can try it first on your old as you said. You should be able to do decent deep-sky with it! :)
Maybe because of lack of knowledge I am afraid to astromod my d850.. I don’t know if I will be able to view images on the backscreen of camera with accurate white balance and colours after it is modified. Because I do a lot of daylight photography and depend on live view. Is there any in camera plug in IR filter that I can fix for day time usage and for the night I can just take it out..?
Adrien hi its troy please could you list the lens for me and which one you thought was best for the night sky clarity and how did you get your video to show the night sky so clear ? See my Chanel ccontact me in foxtrot troypointerphotography.com please thanks happy Christmas by the way I use a 6 D 20/40 sigma
Awesome website and channel Troy, I'll subscribe for sure! In the mean time, I have a bunch of other tutorials where I explain which lenses I use and how I can get such clear skies as I mentioned. For example you can watch: ua-cam.com/video/IgmUpfel6bU/v-deo.html. You can also make your way to www.adphotography-online.com where I have all my gems :) In the mean time, I can list a few that I use: Sigma 14mm f/1.8 (it's become my favorite wide angle, so sharp: samples: ua-cam.com/video/CBtDmQZbFzg/v-deo.html), sigma 24mm f/1.4 or Samyang 24mm f/1.4, Sigma 50mm f/1.8, Samayng 85mm f/.1.4, Samyang 135mm f/2. Don't hesitate to contact me for more!!
Hi this is Troy umm I thank you very much 4 your comments on my Chanel but I have to say its not brilliant as I would like but I am really Interested to how you do yours and yes I hope we can stay in touch I also have subscribed to your channel and await for you to do the same . We are supposed to start our NEW Winter Tour today but because of the UK Weather we will have to delay it its a shame really but as you know night time photography is all about the weather I started recently a Night Sky sharing page with a header timelapse you can see and the Quality of my shoot facebook.com/troysnightskysharing2017/ well I thank you again and look forwards to us talking again by the way where are you based ? Cheers HAPPY Christmas we will go to London today for 2 days watch the weather and Decide what next
Nice one! Except for the fact that the size of the sensor doesn't affect the noise of the picture (even if usually bigger sensor means bigger pixels... but it's not always the case). Thanks for all the information though!
Lorenzo Bregant Thanks for the input! I actually have to disagree. The size of the sensor does play a big role on the noise, mostly indirectly. Bigger sensors (full frame) take in more light, also more pixels on the sensor means more difficult to fill them up. Remember the noise and signal do play together, so less light ultimately means more noise. I can assure you that if we took the test, the best noise performance will be the full frame sensor with the least pixels... at least for on-chip read noise!
It’s not a camera sensor. Just something developed for scientific application. Btw to prove this just think at light meters... if it’s about the sensor size they should change values for any sensor size...
You deserve much praise on how you explained this , please keep up the good work. Thumbs up
Excellent video, Adrien. Explained very clearly and accessibly, given the amount of technical detail you cover. I enjoyed it very much!
Thanks a lot Alistair, except for my silly French accent that might be annoying at some point! Sometimes I get annoyed myself haha :) I'm happy it was useful!
One of the most well explained astrophotography tutorials in the UA-cam! Thank you!
Thank you so much Jack!! I really appreciate it as I spent quite some time editing and making those tutorials :)
Great tutorials Adrien, Very informative and valuable.Thanks for sharing and inspiring..Happy New Year...Keep up the Great Work.
JJB FILM thanks a lot I really appreciate the feedback :)
Amazing tutorials Adrien. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
Awesome tutorial! Thank you for sharing!
great video bud !!! explained very well
Thanks Moe!
Great Video my friend. I'm glad I bought at 6D 2 years ago to do Astrophotography . I guess the guy at the camera store was right. He told me this is a great camera for low light.
What camera would you suggest as being number 1 for Astrophotography in 2020 and where does the 6D rank compared to the new camera.
Many Thanks
Kind regards Sean
kinda late, but from what i can tell, the 6D would be my first choice in HINDSIGHT. I bought a used A7S for it and it's GREAT, but over 30 second exposures and it's kinda usless due to the star eater noise algorithm. 6D is going to be great for longer, tracked exposures
Dear Adrien, thank you for such a great job! I think the best explanation about noise in astrophotography I've seen at UA-cam.... Few questions related to this topic.
Do you think full spectrum astromodification will improve significantly SNR? Is it make sense for wide field astrophotography?
By the way you missing Pentax DSLRs in your list of recommended cameras. Is the a reason for it?
Great tutorial! What program would advise for photo denoiser and video denoiser for astro? Thanks!
Very very well explained 👍🏼 thank you mate :)
7K.METALWORX thank you so much!!
I'm grateful for this.
Where can I learn about the desirability of using a Canon 1DX II for astrophotography? Specifically, how it compares with the 5D IV? Thank you.
Jim Keener thanks Jim. Mmmm I’m actually not sure about that since I haven’t tried either. One of my fiends has the mark IV for Astro, but he get a lot of noise, still better than the 5d mk III... but you also will with the 1DX. I would prefer the 5D mk IV to be honest. The former has so many pixels that you will get extreme noise rapidly!
This was very helpful. As I understood, using a tracker will give you a better SNR but an increase in hot pixels due the longer exposure time. So what's worse?
Hot pixel can be easily removed in software.
if i may mkae a suggestion for a video. im fairly new to atrophotography and im shooting with a canon 80D, aps-c sensor. and im not sure if an upgrade to a FF camera would be a noticable imrovement and how much of a difference does it acutally make when shooting the nightsky?
can you make direct comparison? same locations, same lens, same settings. just to have a 1:1 noise comparison from crop to fullframe sensor.
Thanks for the review. Coma was my big worry and I already have the Zeiss 15mm but after watching this and reading some other reviews I will get the lens this week (will maybe sell the Zeiss). I work in Scandinavia during the Winter as an aurora photography guide so mine will get a lot of use. Looking forward to that first big corona and being able to get some really quick shutter speeds :)
Hey Oliver! Thanks for the comment! You probably meant to write on my Sigma 14mm review video though? Anyways, yes I haven't tried the Zeiss and I like to test it out myself first before making any comment on it, but I can 100% recommend this one!! Can't wait for you ti buy it, and hoping to see some of your pictures!! Do you have a website or social media I could contact you on, I got some questions about your job! :)
Hi Adrien, yes I meant to do that on the other video! Not sure how that happened! My web site is www.oliverwrightphotography.com there should be some social media links on there too.
Feel free to ask any questions!
nice work mate! I will definitely try it with my 80D
Julianton Voigt let me know how it did with regard to noise! I had the 70D once and noise was horrible above ISO 800!!
Great video!
swhamilton thanks!!
Excelent tutorial but did you test Pentax K1? Thanks and good work.
Thanks Antonio! No I haven't, but I heard a lot of good things about it, especially its low light abilities. If course my list is biased, and I'm sure there are other good cams out there, but I'd love to try it one day! :)
BRilliant video. The only correction I would suggest is something you claims but complicating it. The first time you mentioned APSC you just mention they are smaller. At the second time you said the APSC sensor is smaller but take care with the pixel count. The way to unify it it just mention that the bigger pixel the better or the smaller the pixel density the better.
very good astro tutorial,considering to get a nikon,D850 or D810?thank you
Go with the D850 hands down!
What tracker brand do suggest for an enthusiast with a canon 5D Mk IV and a Rokinon 24mm f 1.4?
Well you can look into iOptron sky guider or sky tracker, Vixen also makes good and transportable ones like the Vixen Polarie, those are good for short and transportable tracking while using relatively light gear like a DSLR and a single lens (have used iOptron sky tracker and vixen polarie) :) Hope this helps!
Thank you. Can the Vixen Polarie manage the weight of a Canon 5D Mk IV and the new sigma 14mm f 1.8?
Whow i thought i knew a bit of photography ...learened alot about noise ...wel done i'm subbed and foll9wi g 😎🍻
Grtz John
Thanks a lot John! :)
Thanks!!
Super well explained... I will share this tonight, when arrive home. Thank you!!
BTW, I thought the Sony stars eating problems were with the new Sony cameras, not with the first Sony A7s... I have that one and never had the problem (maybe I have not noticed :D ).
Thanks a lot Marina! Well with the Sony a7s, if you have the old version of the firmware, you're good. I have the latest version, and the only possibility for me not to get the algorithm is to shoot outside the BULB mode, so in silent shooting mood... But for all other cameras in the alpha series, there's no chance whatsoever!! :)
Well explained. But, your last sentence "...there's no chance whatsoever...", I have plan to buy Sony A6300 for all purpose camera, but also from time to time for astrophotography. Is that the case with that camera too? Thank you in advance for your answer.
Hey Adrien, which level of ISO do you think is the best with A7RII? in the video i see it is 1600.
def. ISO 1600 on super 35 and probably around 2500/3600 in crop mode. Actually for the former I would say 400-800, because it just takes some haze or airglow to noise up the entire frame, even though this stupid algorithm processes noise in a very different way from Canon!
Hi Adrian, thanks for putting in so much of your research in one video. It is very helpful for me who is looking to start doing more astrophotography. I am planning on getting my old camera d5200 astromodified as a first step to capture the colours of night sky.. what do you think about it? In general this camera is not good with high iso.. do I think it is still worth it? I also have a d850 and it was great at capturing auroras, love it. But not ready to get it astromod.. let me know your thoughts..
Hi Ankit! Glad you liked the vid! :) Well it all depends on what you want to do, but don't be afraid to astromod! I don't know why a lot of people are somehow afraid they won't be able to take the same pictures anymore. But you can try it first on your old as you said. You should be able to do decent deep-sky with it! :)
Maybe because of lack of knowledge I am afraid to astromod my d850.. I don’t know if I will be able to view images on the backscreen of camera with accurate white balance and colours after it is modified. Because I do a lot of daylight photography and depend on live view. Is there any in camera plug in IR filter that I can fix for day time usage and for the night I can just take it out..?
hi what Lenses did you use ? thanks troy love it
Hi Troy. I used a variety of lenses, primarily Sigma and Samyang :)
Adrien hi its troy please could you list the lens for me and which one you thought was best for the night sky clarity and how did you get your video to show the night sky so clear ? See my Chanel ccontact me in foxtrot troypointerphotography.com please thanks happy Christmas by the way I use a 6 D 20/40 sigma
Awesome website and channel Troy, I'll subscribe for sure! In the mean time, I have a bunch of other tutorials where I explain which lenses I use and how I can get such clear skies as I mentioned. For example you can watch: ua-cam.com/video/IgmUpfel6bU/v-deo.html. You can also make your way to www.adphotography-online.com where I have all my gems :) In the mean time, I can list a few that I use: Sigma 14mm f/1.8 (it's become my favorite wide angle, so sharp: samples: ua-cam.com/video/CBtDmQZbFzg/v-deo.html), sigma 24mm f/1.4 or Samyang 24mm f/1.4, Sigma 50mm f/1.8, Samayng 85mm f/.1.4, Samyang 135mm f/2. Don't hesitate to contact me for more!!
Hi this is Troy umm I thank you very much 4 your comments on my Chanel but I have to say its not brilliant as I would like but I am really Interested to how you do yours and yes I hope we can stay in touch I also have subscribed to your channel and await for you to do the same . We are supposed to start our NEW Winter Tour today but because of the UK Weather we will have to delay it its a shame really but as you know night time photography is all about the weather I started recently a Night Sky sharing page with a header timelapse you can see and the Quality of my shoot facebook.com/troysnightskysharing2017/
well I thank you again and look forwards to us talking again by the way where are you based ? Cheers HAPPY Christmas we will go to London today for 2 days watch the weather and Decide what next
Nice
One thing I forgot to tell you regarding my lens questions. I have a Sony A7R3. Ok thanks a lot! Chad
Nice one! Except for the fact that the size of the sensor doesn't affect the noise of the picture (even if usually bigger sensor means bigger pixels... but it's not always the case). Thanks for all the information though!
Lorenzo Bregant Thanks for the input! I actually have to disagree. The size of the sensor does play a big role on the noise, mostly indirectly. Bigger sensors (full frame) take in more light, also more pixels on the sensor means more difficult to fill them up. Remember the noise and signal do play together, so less light ultimately means more noise. I can assure you that if we took the test, the best noise performance will be the full frame sensor with the least pixels... at least for on-chip read noise!
Still not agree. In fact the best sensor for low light is a Sony once with only a few mp resolution due to the big pixels on it.
Lorenzo Bregant what is that Sony you are talking about?
It’s not a camera sensor. Just something developed for scientific application. Btw to prove this just think at light meters... if it’s about the sensor size they should change values for any sensor size...
Lorenzo Bregant PS that’s exactly what I’m saying in my comment if you read it correctly ☺️☺️