If you want to beat low stakes, taking a 3 bet or fold approach is a solid strategy since the house takes a huge percentage of all the small pots in high drop/rake environment. Less hands but bigger pots is what you want to aim for in a capped structure with larger open sizes.
Thats pretty nice… Gardens is $2 per hand no matter what. $2/5 folds to the blinds, a “chop” is the $5 getting there money back and the $2 getting nothing. Lol, not exactly “chopping”.
Bart Hanson needs to be in the "Poker Hall of Fame" period. Simply for being a master teacher. He and Charlie Wilmoth are the best commentators poker has atm (Ali Nejad as well). I ain't never made more money in my life...
Paused at 9:21. I know 5/5 is considered low stakes, but to me low stakes is 1/2 or 1/3. And at those games, I pretty quickly fold to this huge flop raise. No one at 1/2 is doing this with a flush draw, the only hand we're ahead of. Those hands call $70 99.9% of the time Editing after turn action. Yeah, if you call the flop you have to call the turn on any non flush/non straight completing action. Youre basically comitting to all in after calling the flop bet on any safe turn
I don't know where the 'you called the flop so you have to call the turn' line of thinking comes from, but it's terrible. You're correct that calling the flop is a mistake. Calling the turn only embiggens the mistake.
@albundy7794 it comes from from the fact that you call the flop thinking you're ahead. Turn changes nothing, so you should call turn jam, since you're still ahead. Again, i think it's quite obvious we're beat on the flop, so that's what makes this logic seems flawed, but we got to the turn, so have to call
Yal have to realize most folks at the 1/3 2/5 level ain’t bluffing off there stack…fold flop and pick a better spot…but calling then folding on a brick 🧱 is crazy wtf you thought was gone happen when he check raise flop that he was gone check the turn like be real
Hilarious reaction to his fold! 15:36-16:10 - "You folded!".. I never seen you so shocked and yet so concerned for someone.. then asking why he called was great reaction on your part . You were so careful in your verbiage... Great job! I'm going to subscribe
Bart: so if he checked turn you were going to jam? Caller: if he checked I was going to evaluate. Bart is posing hypothetically that you're in a situation and he checks turn, now what so you do? What else is left to evaluate lol
It’s not fun to throw away top pair but I think it’s the right move on the flop. In small stakes games, I’m making the assumption that 99% of opponents are only 3 betting the flop here with either hands that have AQ crushed, or combo draws that have huge equity. I’d rather fold on the flop to the three bet rather than jamming and praying that I’m up against a hand that I’m flipping at best with. Sure there might be a tiny percentage of the time the villain is bluffing and has to fold, but that doesn’t outweigh how often the villain calls. BEST case scenario is you get your whole stack in vs a hand with massive equity against you. Fold and pick a better spot. Either way, calling flop and folding turn on a brick is the worst way to play this hand
In the realm of strange occurrence; I had to step away from watching right at the point where hero bet 70. While the video was paused I already started thinking about the hand. First thing is that I figured Bart would not like hero's sizing, but that is pretty obvious since he never likes anyone's flop sizing. I don't love it either, but in my world it's on the small side. More interesting is the fact that for some reason I thought villain might raise. Most important part of this decision is our read of villain, which it didn't seem like we got much of. So I will say that in a vacuum; this is simply a fold. Villain's range should really be QQ, QJ, JJ, KThh, T9hh, and maybe 44 if he defends that in this configuration. Bart suggested AThh and that is possible, but seems more like a hand that calls to me. That range is destroying hero's hand. We are either dominated completely or somewhere in the vicinity of a coin flip. In other news; I thought I'd disagree with Bart about how to proceed, but we actually agreed almost completely. He did mention the possibility of jamming, but did not really advocate for it. So I won't mention what a terrible play that would be. Instead I will say I agreed with him that this could simply be a fold on flop AND that calling flop & then folding turn makes no sense whatsoever.
I game I played in Wiesbaden, Germany Spielbank was the opposite rake set up There was zero rake on pots under 200€ but a fixed % of the pot over 200€ regardless of the pot size, so if you got all in pre flop AK and AK and chopped, both of you lost a chunk of your stack to the house Small ball was a good strategy!
Absolute nonsense that you have to call the turn. Throwing good money after bad. My initial thought was that this guy had 44. I do believe him that he had QQ. The 5-5 $500 game at Commerce is basically a low-stakes game where raise-flop-jam-turn is so often a nutted hand that you can fold 100% with impunity. I'm folding flop there without a second thought tbh.
Folding flop is fine. I don’t really see how you can call flop and fold turn. If you think the guy has enough bluffs on the flop then those are all still bluffs on the turn.
You have to ask yourself: is this the type of player that is capable of check-raising the flop with a draw? Is he capable of check-raising the flop with a weak draw, air ball bluff, or weak value? If he is then you MUST call the turn. If he is not, then the fold is reasonable.
Not gonna lie that’s a tough decision, would it have been wrong to have folded on the Flop with the initial big raise? My gut says he had QJ but who knows? that’s why I’m watching & learning here. But too bad there wasn’t a reveal.
Here was my thinking about the hand: Villain probably not a nit since he sat down 15 minutes ago and won a couple hands out of blinds and chipped up and now is playing another hand. QQ most likely 4-bet pre as well as JJ oop. Pocket 44's should theoretically not be calling here preflop oop with such poor equity realization and very bad implied odds with the low spr. What hands could villain be check-raising on the flop?? QJ of clubs for 1 combo and maybe 44's if he called that preflop. 4 combos. Tons of heart draws as well as K,10 and 10,9 straight draw. Villain shouldn't be open raising QJ off pre unless he's fairly loose. There are tons of draws here and very few value combos. I'm definitely calling off top/top here everytime unless I'm facing a nit. The real question is what is more profitable: re-raising all-in on the flop or calling/shipping the $420 on the turn. I realize you increase your equity on brick turns but it seems to me that it is offset by the times a heart or straight draw comes in on the turn and you are unable to fold because you don't know which one he has and you are getting 3 to 1 on your money and it is very difficult to fold top/top in that spot. So my guess would be re-raising flop all-in is the most profitable play for hero but I'm not sure. I don't care if his draws are high equity since you will be 60%+ against his range here and still making money.
AQ is close to top of range here. If villain is ever bluffing here or doing this with worse Qx for value (definitely possible at commerce) this is a snap call
Is it? Hero 3-bet pre and then bet-called the flop. I’d say hero’s range is pretty strong. I’m not sure he gets to the turn with hands like AKss/AKcc or TT. I guess if you think hero just 3-bet jams every stronger hand on the flop then this is the strongest he gets here with, but that’s just an argument for not jamming every better hand on the flop.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj in position, should definitely be calling with basically all strong parts of range. since if villain is blasting off with airballs or low pairs they are turning into bluffs, you can keep that part in, which would easily fold to a jam
A lot of low stakes players are only putting the money in on this board with two pair + or KK or AA so the call/fold here is all player dependent. I’ve made calls like this against high vpip wild players and have been right and then made folds to all-ins like this against tight players, it’s all exploitive, in the moment decisions that you get better at the longer you play live poker
Just goes to show you , from the fact that this guy folded the turn , if in doubt always lean towards aggressive action. Even in spots where you think it’s unlikely to get a fokd. Ya just never know at small stakes. People tend to play too tight or too loose. If ya think they play too tight in spots like this , just go for it with a good draw. Ya just never know.
In a 9 handed 5/10 game with a 10% rake up to $10 and every player has $1k in front of them and nobody allowed to rebuy, how long would it take for the house to get all the money? And I know there’s not an exact answer bc pots will be different sizes and take different amounts of time to play each hand but anyone who has a ballpark answer let me know. I have an idea of how long it would be just curious if it’s close.
Really a player read / type decision... If u think guy has QJo u can definitely fold flop... Think spr is a little low to fold turn, should just be fold or shove flop imo... Even 150 more effective then I like a 4th street chicken play
I wish players out west would organize and strike. I understand poker players are harder to herd than libertarians, but high rake/drop structures are removing so much money from the player pool that something needs to change.
Hero has no awareness on a big raise. Hero should know that the capped game + the big flop raise means that he will go all in on turn or river. He is playing GTO on a board that was an exploitative raise. The problem with most players are that they don’t know when to play GTO or exploitative in some situations to different player types.
What a ridiculous system in place regarding the blinds. In a game where time equates to money for the casino, you would think they would try to eliminate anything causing complications. Or, at the very least, not ADD complications lol
If you thought you showed strength calling the turn it wasn't very strong because you only called, lj had no choice but to go all in if he had real hand why would he chase you out he could bet like 240 on turn unless he put you on a draw, problem is that you were too aggressive preflop and with wet flop should have checked. I think you were ahead on the turn. Small ball works better sometimes unless you're there to gamble.
The point of “beating” low stakes is making money-/ which is nearly impossible unless all of your friends are ass at poker, which would cause them to not want your action anyways if you don’t suck.
You can't call a check raise on the flop and fold on this turn card. Is it beatable? Of course, have a player or two like this at your table and your going to have a very profitable night. I'm up nearly $10,000 in 12 days myself. I'd share how but you have to pay me more than what Bart charges.
Terrible hand breakdown. Usually solid and even handed but small stake exploits points to the villain having QQ. Claiming he's lying and still might have value like QJ is silly. Why lie and overvalue rather than undervalue his hand? Case Q flops happen. The fold is appropriate. The only "value" bluff villain has is AKh with a comment like, "he raised me?!" Could've exploitativey folded flop. Exploitatively folding turn is great as well. Great fold caller
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If you want to beat low stakes, taking a 3 bet or fold approach is a solid strategy since the house takes a huge percentage of all the small pots in high drop/rake environment. Less hands but bigger pots is what you want to aim for in a capped structure with larger open sizes.
What about in Texas?
The California rooms are usually 5 on flop +1 for bad beat, +1 on turn and +1 on river. So 8 if you go to river. It’s highway robbery.
I play in a small card room in california. Where there is a house rule of ' no flop no drop'. Does make it a bit better.
Thats pretty nice… Gardens is $2 per hand no matter what. $2/5 folds to the blinds, a “chop” is the $5 getting there money back and the $2 getting nothing. Lol, not exactly “chopping”.
Bart Hanson needs to be in the "Poker Hall of Fame" period. Simply for being a master teacher. He and Charlie Wilmoth are the best commentators poker has atm (Ali Nejad as well). I ain't never made more money in my life...
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Paused at 9:21. I know 5/5 is considered low stakes, but to me low stakes is 1/2 or 1/3. And at those games, I pretty quickly fold to this huge flop raise. No one at 1/2 is doing this with a flush draw, the only hand we're ahead of. Those hands call $70 99.9% of the time
Editing after turn action. Yeah, if you call the flop you have to call the turn on any non flush/non straight completing action. Youre basically comitting to all in after calling the flop bet on any safe turn
I don't know where the 'you called the flop so you have to call the turn' line of thinking comes from, but it's terrible. You're correct that calling the flop is a mistake. Calling the turn only embiggens the mistake.
@albundy7794 it comes from from the fact that you call the flop thinking you're ahead. Turn changes nothing, so you should call turn jam, since you're still ahead. Again, i think it's quite obvious we're beat on the flop, so that's what makes this logic seems flawed, but we got to the turn, so have to call
5/5 is 100 percent low stakes
@@youtubelife9248 yes I literally said that lol
@@brandonloehle4304no you “literally” said to YOU it wasn’t. I was telling you that it is, for everyone.
Yal have to realize most folks at the 1/3 2/5 level ain’t bluffing off there stack…fold flop and pick a better spot…but calling then folding on a brick 🧱 is crazy wtf you thought was gone happen when he check raise flop that he was gone check the turn like be real
Hilarious reaction to his fold! 15:36-16:10 - "You folded!".. I never seen you so shocked and yet so concerned for someone.. then asking why he called was great reaction on your part . You were so careful in your verbiage... Great job! I'm going to subscribe
Bart: so if he checked turn you were going to jam?
Caller: if he checked I was going to evaluate.
Bart is posing hypothetically that you're in a situation and he checks turn, now what so you do? What else is left to evaluate lol
It’s not fun to throw away top pair but I think it’s the right move on the flop. In small stakes games, I’m making the assumption that 99% of opponents are only 3 betting the flop here with either hands that have AQ crushed, or combo draws that have huge equity.
I’d rather fold on the flop to the three bet rather than jamming and praying that I’m up against a hand that I’m flipping at best with. Sure there might be a tiny percentage of the time the villain is bluffing and has to fold, but that doesn’t outweigh how often the villain calls.
BEST case scenario is you get your whole stack in vs a hand with massive equity against you. Fold and pick a better spot.
Either way, calling flop and folding turn on a brick is the worst way to play this hand
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@@Sean-b1t the flop wasn’t 3-bet. It was just a raise.
I don't think you know what a 3 bet is
misspoke, raise on the flop, not 3 bet. point still stands
In the realm of strange occurrence; I had to step away from watching right at the point where hero bet 70. While the video was paused I already started thinking about the hand. First thing is that I figured Bart would not like hero's sizing, but that is pretty obvious since he never likes anyone's flop sizing. I don't love it either, but in my world it's on the small side. More interesting is the fact that for some reason I thought villain might raise. Most important part of this decision is our read of villain, which it didn't seem like we got much of. So I will say that in a vacuum; this is simply a fold. Villain's range should really be QQ, QJ, JJ, KThh, T9hh, and maybe 44 if he defends that in this configuration. Bart suggested AThh and that is possible, but seems more like a hand that calls to me. That range is destroying hero's hand. We are either dominated completely or somewhere in the vicinity of a coin flip. In other news; I thought I'd disagree with Bart about how to proceed, but we actually agreed almost completely. He did mention the possibility of jamming, but did not really advocate for it. So I won't mention what a terrible play that would be. Instead I will say I agreed with him that this could simply be a fold on flop AND that calling flop & then folding turn makes no sense whatsoever.
19:30 ask him which suits they were as a follow up question :)
Right or wrong, I’m folding 50%+ of the time here player dependent. And if I do call flop, I’m stacking off on basically any runout
I game I played in Wiesbaden, Germany Spielbank was the opposite rake set up
There was zero rake on pots under 200€ but a fixed % of the pot over 200€ regardless of the pot size, so if you got all in pre flop AK and AK and chopped, both of you lost a chunk of your stack to the house
Small ball was a good strategy!
Absolute nonsense that you have to call the turn. Throwing good money after bad. My initial thought was that this guy had 44. I do believe him that he had QQ. The 5-5 $500 game at Commerce is basically a low-stakes game where raise-flop-jam-turn is so often a nutted hand that you can fold 100% with impunity. I'm folding flop there without a second thought tbh.
Folding flop is fine. I don’t really see how you can call flop and fold turn. If you think the guy has enough bluffs on the flop then those are all still bluffs on the turn.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj It's easy. There are never enough bluffs at this game. Unless you have a specific read. That's my point.
@@albundy7794but if there’s never enough bluffs then just fold flop is my point.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zjhe said “throwing good money after bad” as in- the flop call was already bad😅
Okay but he called the flop, literally what changed on the turn? He just burnt money lol. Villian had 9,10 diamonds
Come to Australia, where 2/3 and 2/5 are 10% up to 20 or even 25. No tipping though.
Tf
Still beatable lol.
You have to ask yourself: is this the type of player that is capable of check-raising the flop with a draw? Is he capable of check-raising the flop with a weak draw, air ball bluff, or weak value?
If he is then you MUST call the turn. If he is not, then the fold is reasonable.
Feels like scared money here. Got to call the turn
Not gonna lie that’s a tough decision, would it have been wrong to have folded on the Flop with the initial big raise?
My gut says he had QJ but who knows? that’s why I’m watching & learning here.
But too bad there wasn’t a reveal.
Yeah, I thought JJ, but QJ works too. Folding the flop is correct, unless we have some kind of read on villain as being a LAG or maniac.
You think villain wins 1 out of 3 going to the river if he has AJH?!
Here was my thinking about the hand: Villain probably not a nit since he sat down 15 minutes ago and won a couple hands out of blinds and chipped up and now is playing another hand. QQ most likely 4-bet pre as well as JJ oop. Pocket 44's should theoretically not be calling here preflop oop with such poor equity realization and very bad implied odds with the low spr. What hands could villain be check-raising on the flop??
QJ of clubs for 1 combo and maybe 44's if he called that preflop. 4 combos. Tons of heart draws as well as K,10 and 10,9 straight draw. Villain shouldn't be open raising QJ off pre unless he's fairly loose. There are tons of draws here and very few value combos. I'm definitely calling off top/top here everytime unless I'm facing a nit.
The real question is what is more profitable: re-raising all-in on the flop or calling/shipping the $420 on the turn. I realize you increase your equity on brick turns but it seems to me that it is offset by the times a heart or straight draw comes in on the turn and you are unable to fold because you don't know which one he has and you are getting 3 to 1 on your money and it is very difficult to fold top/top in that spot. So my guess would be re-raising flop all-in is the most profitable play for hero but I'm not sure. I don't care if his draws are high equity since you will be 60%+ against his range here and still making money.
AQ is close to top of range here. If villain is ever bluffing here or doing this with worse Qx for value (definitely possible at commerce) this is a snap call
Is it? Hero 3-bet pre and then bet-called the flop. I’d say hero’s range is pretty strong. I’m not sure he gets to the turn with hands like AKss/AKcc or TT.
I guess if you think hero just 3-bet jams every stronger hand on the flop then this is the strongest he gets here with, but that’s just an argument for not jamming every better hand on the flop.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj in position, should definitely be calling with basically all strong parts of range. since if villain is blasting off with airballs or low pairs they are turning into bluffs, you can keep that part in, which would easily fold to a jam
A lot of low stakes players are only putting the money in on this board with two pair + or KK or AA so the call/fold here is all player dependent. I’ve made calls like this against high vpip wild players and have been right and then made folds to all-ins like this against tight players, it’s all exploitive, in the moment decisions that you get better at the longer you play live poker
Just goes to show you , from the fact that this guy folded the turn , if in doubt always lean towards aggressive action. Even in spots where you think it’s unlikely to get a fokd. Ya just never know at small stakes. People tend to play too tight or too loose. If ya think they play too tight in spots like this , just go for it with a good draw. Ya just never know.
In a 9 handed 5/10 game with a 10% rake up to $10 and every player has $1k in front of them and nobody allowed to rebuy, how long would it take for the house to get all the money? And I know there’s not an exact answer bc pots will be different sizes and take different amounts of time to play each hand but anyone who has a ballpark answer let me know. I have an idea of how long it would be just curious if it’s close.
At least 900 hands
@ obviously. But how many hours
@@sneakkyz3696 entirely depends on the table. More than 12 hours for sure
Really a player read / type decision... If u think guy has QJo u can definitely fold flop... Think spr is a little low to fold turn, should just be fold or shove flop imo... Even 150 more effective then I like a 4th street chicken play
great call tbh
I wish players out west would organize and strike. I understand poker players are harder to herd than libertarians, but high rake/drop structures are removing so much money from the player pool that something needs to change.
Hero has no awareness on a big raise.
Hero should know that the capped game + the big flop raise means that he will go all in on turn or river.
He is playing GTO on a board that was an exploitative raise. The problem with most players are that they don’t know when to play GTO or exploitative in some situations to different player types.
To answer the question from the title. This caller plays.
Stay away from 5 5 as you are not ready
I don't get why you wouldn't bet bigger on the flop. There are tons of hands that will call a bigger bet on this board.
The answer is yes, low stakes are beatable. My casino doesn't have a drop and it has a good rake structure. It's take good money
What a ridiculous system in place regarding the blinds. In a game where time equates to money for the casino, you would think they would try to eliminate anything causing complications. Or, at the very least, not ADD complications lol
F: It's a fold to a raise. 1 pair is never good, unless you read him drawing for nut flush (AKh/AJh).
Turn fold? Yes. It's never too late to pull out when you don't have pot odds.
Before folding I'd considered my own table image in the eyes of V..
If you thought you showed strength calling the turn it wasn't very strong because you only called, lj had no choice but to go all in if he had real hand why would he chase you out he could bet like 240 on turn unless he put you on a draw, problem is that you were too aggressive preflop and with wet flop should have checked. I think you were ahead on the turn. Small ball works better sometimes unless you're there to gamble.
I’ll take a good home game over any low stakes casino structure. Twice a month, 3 hours, $200 buy-in. Max three rebuys. Still friends.
The point of “beating” low stakes is making money-/ which is nearly impossible unless all of your friends are ass at poker, which would cause them to not want your action anyways if you don’t suck.
Welp. Back to 1-3 for him.
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Bart couldn't believe he folded.😂 Guy must work with meat cuz he butchered the hand!
Anyone who can win at Commerce against the rake, can win at higher stakes.
You can't call a check raise on the flop and fold on this turn card. Is it beatable? Of course, have a player or two like this at your table and your going to have a very profitable night. I'm up nearly $10,000 in 12 days myself. I'd share how but you have to pay me more than what Bart charges.
This is such a simple hand, caller needs to move back down :o
Underground games are wurst. They even cheat take a green 25 and do a chip dance turn it into 2 reds 10$ .
Dude . . . . . .
Terrible hand breakdown. Usually solid and even handed but small stake exploits points to the villain having QQ. Claiming he's lying and still might have value like QJ is silly. Why lie and overvalue rather than undervalue his hand? Case Q flops happen. The fold is appropriate. The only "value" bluff villain has is AKh with a comment like, "he raised me?!" Could've exploitativey folded flop. Exploitatively folding turn is great as well. Great fold caller
If you play plo it is, holdem cash is terribly boring
Yes, it’s beatable you just have to realize that what they’re obviously representing is what they have
Calling 5 5 low stakes.....
Nit alert
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