My favorite interpretation is Arkham's Two-Face, where its 2 people more or less, but they don't argue, they are, at the core, the same person, just different sides, Harvey is more empathetic and depressed at times, while his other half, Two-Face, is angrier, bitter, and just overall darker, but at their core its one man, one who feels betrayed by a system he fought for, by a hero he vouched for, I love it
After reading the long halloween, he turned into one of my top 5 favorite DC characters (Harvey Dent, Lex Luthor, Batman, Morpheus/Dream/Sandman and Superman)
For me, here is my list: favourite Batman villain is: riddler Favourite Batman villains: riddler, killer croc, two face, mad hatter, firefly, catwoman, poison ivy, Jason Todd, hush, deadshot, black mask, court of owls, lady shiva, bronze tiger, black spider, electrocutioner, lock up, David cain, king snake, crime doctor and Nora fields. Favourite dc villains of all time: reverse flash, Lex Luther, dark archer, riddler, cheetah, black manta, black Adam, bizarro, gorilla grodd, deadahot, bloodsport, captain cold, mirror master, Cheshire, catwoman, clue master, devil ray, general Zod, toy man, Joseph Martin, live wire and killer frost. Clock king, onomatopoeia, Prometheus, brick, blockbuster, silver monkey,
what's also interesting to me is that two-face just as batman had the potential to become a villainous vigilante, he also had the potential to become a hero. after all dc even has it's own scarred hero in the form of jonah hex (video suggestion, wink wink). this really goes to show that tragedy can make three things of people; victims, villains, and heroes.
I love Harvey Dent, and you did a wonderful job illustrating why he's a very tragic character. If I had to pick an underrated villain as one of the most sympathetic, it'd be Arnold Wesker and the Riddler. Arnold is constantly tortured by his split personality of Scarface and even when he gets on the right track, landing an office job or a job as a puppet entertainer, he's roped back in by either relapsing into his split personality again, or the gangsters who associate Wesker as nothing more than Scarface's plaything, bully him into returning. And as for the Riddler, his entire persona and life revolves around games and puzzles, leaving clues for Batman to solve. That's who he is and what he's known for, so when he goes straight and turns his life around for the better, to be the best person he's ever been like in the episode Riddler's Reform, he can't help himself and continues to leave clues for Batman, committing crimes. It's like succumbing to an addiction, he works himself up to be an amazing success only to fail due to his crippling addiction. Even without the success story he sometimes gives up because he gets burnt out by Batman solving all his riddles, he feels like a complete failure when he can't outsmart the Dark Knight. And puzzles are supposed to be his thing, so him failing at it makes him feel worthless, insignificant, and a waste of space. Other obvious villains like Mr. Freeze(My personal choice) and Man-Bat are a bit more well known, but these two are some that few people talk about.
Yes, Wesker/Scarface is such an underrated villain! I actually think a Batman movie with him as the villain would be such a great horror movie, but that's just my opinion...
Two Face was always a favourite of mine ever since I read his bio in Lego Batman... as weird as that sounds. Of all rogues gallery members, he was sp intriguing to me as he actually started out on the side of justice.
Mr. Rogues made 3 individual videos with a common topic: Why a different villain should be Batman’s archnemesis instead of the Joker. The villains discussed in each video were: the Riddler, Two-Face, and the Scarecrow. The first reason why the Riddler should be Batman’s archnemesis is that the Riddler is Batman’s smartest enemy, whose crimes test Batman’s intellect and detective skills like no one else. The second reason is that the Riddler directly sends clues to Batman to invite him to solve his crimes. The third reason is that the Riddler despises Batman and wants to actually defeat Batman, unlike the Joker. The fourth reason is that the Riddler poses a greater threat to Batman than the Joker because the Riddler is smarter, being frequently depicted as a technological genius who can hack into virtually anything, and can pull off grand feats behind a computer screen, and he is also a master schemer who could potentially bring Gotham to its knees without even leaving his hideout. The fifth and final reason is that the Riddler is a great foil to Batman as he has an upbeat demeanor, wears bright colors, loves to talk, and loves to boast about his intellect, while Batman is stoic, wears dark colors, and speaks little. The first reason why Two-Face should be Batman’s archnemesis is that Two-Face is Batman’s most personal foe because Harvey Dent was a district attorney and an invaluable ally to Batman, and a close friend of Bruce Wayne, which is why fighting Two-Face causes Batman more emotional pain than most of the other villains. The second reason is that Batman and Two-Face are two sides of the same coin, considering that both men were champions for justice, but used different methods of achieving it, with Harvey Dent as a public figure who used the law to fight crime during the day, while Batman is a vigilante who works outside of the law to fight crime during the night. The third reason is the common theme of duality, with both men having dual identities, Batman as a billionaire playboy during the day, and a vigilante at night, while Two-Face is the noble Harvey Dent, and a cold-blooded supervillain; the key difference is that Two-Face is both identities at the same time and wears both of his faces at the same time, and is unable to completely switch between the two identities, while Batman switches between his identities. The fourth reason is that Two-Face is truly unpredictable, considering that, depending on the outcome of a coin flip, he might do something good, something evil, or nothing at all, which is truly unpredictable and genuinely terrifying, unlike the Joker, whose crimes are basically jokes that only he finds funny, and actually always have a point and even a pattern. The fifth reason is that Two-Face poses a greater threat than the Joker, considering that the Joker was a complete nobody before he became a supervillain, while Harvey Dent was a district attorney, so naturally he would use his skills and resources as a criminal: he knows Gotham inside out, he has nearly endless connections, he knows everything there is to know about the law and the legal system, and he should also have far greater ease with amassing an army of henchmen, unlike all of the other villains, and he already has the connections, the information, the schemes, the leadership skills, and the experience. The first reason why the Scarecrow should be Batman’s archnemesis is because they both use the same weapon: fear; Batman dresses like a bat and uses theatrics and acting to scare criminals, while the Scarecrow dresses like a scarecrow (usually) and uses his fear toxin to fill his victims with terror. The second reason is that the Scarecrow is, or should be, a master manipulator, since Dr. Jonathan Crane was a psychologist before he became the Scarecrow, either as a professor of psychology, a private practitioner, or even the head doctor of Arkham Asylum, so he should know everything there is to know about the mind and what buttons to press, and he has the ability to deduce a person’s worst fears just by talking to them, and he should be able to scare people with mere words, instead of being dependent on his fear toxin to scare people. The third reason is that he is the most evil man in Gotham, moreso than the Joker or Victor Zsasz, who murder people left and right, while the Scarecrow actually keeps his victims alive so he can torture them, not with physical pain, but with psychological terror, forcing people, usually innocent people, to experience their worst nightmares.
Some other Batman villains who need to be fixed are: Basil Karlo/Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Riddler, Killer Croc, the Penguin, Jervis Tetch/Mad Hatter, Killer Moth, the Scarecrow, and Black Mask.
Mr. Rogues's Top 3 favorite Batman villains are the Riddler, the Scarecrow, and Two-Face. He even made a video stating reasons why each villain should be Batman's arch-nemesis. Edward Nigma, better known as the Riddler, would be a good arch-nemesis for Batman because he is a master schemer and tech genius who could bring Gotham to its knees without needing to leave his hideout (which should make him a far greater threat than the Joker). He also tests Batman's intellect and his title of "World's Greatest Detective" like no one else, he directly targets and challenges Batman, and he actually wants to defeat Batman (unlike the Joker), and he wears bright colors, and he likes to talk and brag to everybody about how smart he is, unlike Batman, who is quiet and taciturn, and wears dark, muted colors. Dr. Jonathan Crane, better known as the Scarecrow, would be a good arch-nemesis for Batman because he and Batman both weaponize fear, so Batman and the Scarecrow could be the 2 contenders for the title of "Master of Fear". Additionally, Dr. Jonathan Crane was a psychologist before he became the Scarecrow, so he should know everything there is to know about the mind, and therefore, he should be able to deduce a person's greatest fears just by talking to them for a period of time, and he could fill a person with terror just by talking to them without even needing to use his fear toxin, and he could manipulate anybody into doing anything he wants them to do. Two-Face would be a good arch-nemesis for Batman because he is Batman's most personal foe because, as a former District Attorney, he was Batman's ally, and he was Bruce Wayne's best friend. Since he makes important moral decisions based on the result of a coin flip, he is truly unpredictable. As a former district attorney, he also poses a far greater threat than the Joker because he knows Gotham inside out, and he knows everything about the law and the legal system, and since he has nearly endless connections, the leadership skills, and experience, he should easily be able to amass, organize, and lead an army of goons, better than the Riddler, Bane, the Penguin, or the Joker (except for Ra's al Ghul, who has led the League of Assassins for literally hundreds of years, until he was succeeded by his daughter, Talia al Ghul, whom he has taught everything he knows).
@@flintlockwood25 Most so-called Batman fans appear to have an unhealthy obsession with the Joker, and they believe the Joker is Batman's greatest enemy. Harvey Dent was a friend of Bruce Wayne and an ally of Batman, so his connection is far more personal for Batman than the Joker or any other villain. His skills and resources as a former District Attorney also make him a greater threat than the Joker or the Penguin.
@@friedrodent112it's not just about that though, what makes the joker Batman's arch nemesis is the fact that he truly is Batman's opposite, he doesn't care about life, he wants to cause chaos and destruction just because he can. If you take his one bad day thing as backstory then he really is the opposite of Bruce, who became a hero after said bad day. The fact there isn't a connection to Bruce is an improvement to me, he doesn't care about who's under the mask because that's not what matters, and the same applies to Batman, doesn't matter who the Joker was, what matters is who he is and i find it fascinating to have his greatest villain be someone who was never really wronged in the same way someone like Harvey or even Bruce was, in fact, he doesn't seem to care, once again, he is ideologically opposed to Batman, who is defined by his past Although, i do think he is overutilized as of late, he loses impact the more stuff he's in
one of my favorite things that the arkham series did with batman is it made him always refer to the villains by their names when talking to them one on one. and its shown perfectly with two face the joker and the arkham knight (prior to his unmasking) with two face it’s how he’s still harvey dent but he’s harvey dent being manipulated by a man wanting to give him everything he wanted the easy way while batman is trying to be the one showing he can get what he wants by working hard. with the joker there is no human no name no man just evil incarnate. and with the knight there’s no person just the villain. it’s why batman can actually hurt them without guilt. like i unironically think batman would’ve nearly killed the arkham knight if he didn’t get hit by fear toxic as bad
Great video, one small thing tho: In at least some versions of the story, there is no indication that he didn't get any help because of being from a impoverished background. In fact this was more the result of his father being a "respected" police officer who, even if Harvey's mother would muster up the courage to report him, would simply have his colleagues cover it up. Another thing I forgot to mention is that this of course sadly contributed to his later nihilistic breakdown as Two-Face, and having in general a very poor opinion of cops when he was still a prosecutor, having suffered first-hand the corrupt hypocrisy of the GCPD. I think this even went so far that, before he started working with him more closely to bring down the mafia, he initially dismissed Gordon as just another hypocrite that the corrupt brass would parade around before the media as a "hero cop". His father, while being no detective or high-hanked pencil pusher, was apparently a well-connected beat cop with lots of influence, who was celebrated by the public as a "hero"...while being at home a sadist beating his family for little to no provocation. In some twisted way he indeed ended up becoming something similar like his old man, just without hiding his dark impulses.
Best part from the Animated Series and yet, you forgot to mention his third, and most cool personality that tried to kill him without realizing he was him.
Another brilliant video! Fascinating dive into his psyche: using random chance as a crutch to avoid accepting Gotham as a dark nihilistic nightmare, and his repressed childhood torment resurfacing. I haven't seen Two-face ever explored in this level of depth befofe. This truly does frame him as an awfully tragic villain. Can't wait for your next one! 😀
I would say Harvey is up there as one of the most tragic, but I gotta stick with Mr. Freeze as being the most tragic. Not everyone is a lawyer with an affinity for justice, but everyone has fallen in love and we can all agree that we would do anything to save our special someone (Family, friend, lover, spouse, child, pet, anything), especially if we know we can save them and don't wanna have them ripped ripped away from us. Victor isn't a bad guy or a villain, he's a loving husband trying to save his world.
If WB / DC were SMART, they'd get to work on Arkham Origins Two and make it ALL ABOUT Two Face, The Falcones, The Riddler and The Court of Owls. And Two Face is made the FACE VILLAIN of the whole game (Two Face is given "the Joker Villain Role" from Origins and Asylum). Have the game show the rise of Two Face and his first major attack on Gotham City.
Harvey Kent should have had his own movie, done in the style of Joker. Bruce Wayne could be his childhood friend who as an adult shares his goal of ridding Gotham of the Maroni crime family
Although Harvey never talks about it like this, I kind of think that the reason he makes such huge momentous decision based on his coin is the same reason Aton Chigurgh (sp?) sort of gives in his opening scene in 'No Country For Old Men' It's an insult. The tragedy of Harvey is based on people who were NOT 'bad' betraying him on behalf of those that are. It's based in the corruption of every day people that terrible people like Rupert Thorne, Sal Maroni or the Joker found it too easy to achieve. So Harvey takes it to a whole new level: if people are going to be that 'flippant' (ha-ha), that fickle with what should be basic moral questions, well then let's reduce this to what they're really doing. I don't see it really as a method of dealing with the world. I see it has his own personal 'screw you' to a world that refuses to be as decent as it says it is, and expects everyone to just get with the program without so much as a conversation about it. And the sad part is people like Gordon and Batman, who put up with this as well, have to watch this all go down and blame themselves for something that's not their fault. It's SOMEBODY'S fault, for sure, but not theirs.
Mary Dahl [aka Baby-Doll] is the most tragic villan,Baby Doll is portrayed as an actress driven to insanity by prejudice against a condition which prevented her from physically-aging. While intelligent and disturbed, she assumes the persona of a joyful sitcom toddler and gimmicks herself around television shows and children's toys.
Two Face is sort of the exception to the rule in Nihilist thought. The majority of Nihilist philosophy, no matter what the starting point is, ends with "The world is inherently ugly so it is our duty to celebrate beauty as it is the little good in an arbitrary existence" also that fear of failure and rejection are non factors. Its like two face buys into Lou Andreas authoritarian interpretation of nihilism where you must force meaning onto a meaningless world. That is the minority of Nihilist thought
It still falls within nihilist angle of world. Different conclusion can be drawn from same presented fact "world is inherently meaningless" and Harvey concluded that all decisions are inherently meaningless and can be decided on random chance.
Most tragic villain? This dudes insanity just gets him a second bimbo and a coin gimmick. Baby Doll is by far the most tragic villain in Batman's rogues gallery and she is probably the most tragic character in the DC universe. Her situation is even worse than what Clayface endures in terms of sheer body horror. This is a woman who desperately desires to be seen as a woman trapped in the body of a child. When you actually consider that all of her lovers were probably pedophiles and that her ideal partner is Killer Croc the whole thing just gets so much worse. The fact that her idea of love is homicide doesn't help either but one can understand given her predicament.
My favorite interpretation is Arkham's Two-Face, where its 2 people more or less, but they don't argue, they are, at the core, the same person, just different sides, Harvey is more empathetic and depressed at times, while his other half, Two-Face, is angrier, bitter, and just overall darker, but at their core its one man, one who feels betrayed by a system he fought for, by a hero he vouched for, I love it
Yeah I wished we got more of him besides a few side missions.
After reading the long halloween, he turned into one of my top 5 favorite DC characters (Harvey Dent, Lex Luthor, Batman, Morpheus/Dream/Sandman and Superman)
Amazing list
Sandman is a Marvel villain
@@Enigma-c9vThere are two characters with the name Sandman. The DC sandman is also called Dream and he’s written by someone else
@@AlbinoHammer Thank you for informing me, I didn't know that
For me, here is my list:
favourite Batman villain is: riddler
Favourite Batman villains: riddler, killer croc, two face, mad hatter, firefly, catwoman, poison ivy, Jason Todd, hush, deadshot, black mask, court of owls, lady shiva, bronze tiger, black spider, electrocutioner, lock up, David cain, king snake, crime doctor and Nora fields.
Favourite dc villains of all time: reverse flash, Lex Luther, dark archer, riddler, cheetah, black manta, black Adam, bizarro, gorilla grodd, deadahot, bloodsport, captain cold, mirror master, Cheshire, catwoman, clue master, devil ray, general Zod, toy man, Joseph Martin, live wire and killer frost. Clock king, onomatopoeia, Prometheus, brick, blockbuster, silver monkey,
what's also interesting to me is that two-face just as batman had the potential to become a villainous vigilante, he also had the potential to become a hero. after all dc even has it's own scarred hero in the form of jonah hex (video suggestion, wink wink). this really goes to show that tragedy can make three things of people; victims, villains, and heroes.
I love Harvey Dent, and you did a wonderful job illustrating why he's a very tragic character.
If I had to pick an underrated villain as one of the most sympathetic, it'd be Arnold Wesker and the Riddler.
Arnold is constantly tortured by his split personality of Scarface and even when he gets on the right track, landing an office job or a job as a puppet entertainer, he's roped back in by either relapsing into his split personality again, or the gangsters who associate Wesker as nothing more than Scarface's plaything, bully him into returning.
And as for the Riddler, his entire persona and life revolves around games and puzzles, leaving clues for Batman to solve. That's who he is and what he's known for, so when he goes straight and turns his life around for the better, to be the best person he's ever been like in the episode Riddler's Reform, he can't help himself and continues to leave clues for Batman, committing crimes. It's like succumbing to an addiction, he works himself up to be an amazing success only to fail due to his crippling addiction. Even without the success story he sometimes gives up because he gets burnt out by Batman solving all his riddles, he feels like a complete failure when he can't outsmart the Dark Knight. And puzzles are supposed to be his thing, so him failing at it makes him feel worthless, insignificant, and a waste of space.
Other obvious villains like Mr. Freeze(My personal choice) and Man-Bat are a bit more well known, but these two are some that few people talk about.
Yes, Wesker/Scarface is such an underrated villain! I actually think a Batman movie with him as the villain would be such a great horror movie, but that's just my opinion...
Two Face was always a favourite of mine ever since I read his bio in Lego Batman... as weird as that sounds.
Of all rogues gallery members, he was sp intriguing to me as he actually started out on the side of justice.
Two-Face has always been my favorite Batman villain. His psychosis and logic of two halves always fascinated me.
The recent Arkham Shadow game solidifies this statement.
Mr. Rogues made 3 individual videos with a common topic: Why a different villain should be Batman’s archnemesis instead of the Joker. The villains discussed in each video were: the Riddler, Two-Face, and the Scarecrow.
The first reason why the Riddler should be Batman’s archnemesis is that the Riddler is Batman’s smartest enemy, whose crimes test Batman’s intellect and detective skills like no one else. The second reason is that the Riddler directly sends clues to Batman to invite him to solve his crimes. The third reason is that the Riddler despises Batman and wants to actually defeat Batman, unlike the Joker. The fourth reason is that the Riddler poses a greater threat to Batman than the Joker because the Riddler is smarter, being frequently depicted as a technological genius who can hack into virtually anything, and can pull off grand feats behind a computer screen, and he is also a master schemer who could potentially bring Gotham to its knees without even leaving his hideout. The fifth and final reason is that the Riddler is a great foil to Batman as he has an upbeat demeanor, wears bright colors, loves to talk, and loves to boast about his intellect, while Batman is stoic, wears dark colors, and speaks little.
The first reason why Two-Face should be Batman’s archnemesis is that Two-Face is Batman’s most personal foe because Harvey Dent was a district attorney and an invaluable ally to Batman, and a close friend of Bruce Wayne, which is why fighting Two-Face causes Batman more emotional pain than most of the other villains. The second reason is that Batman and Two-Face are two sides of the same coin, considering that both men were champions for justice, but used different methods of achieving it, with Harvey Dent as a public figure who used the law to fight crime during the day, while Batman is a vigilante who works outside of the law to fight crime during the night. The third reason is the common theme of duality, with both men having dual identities, Batman as a billionaire playboy during the day, and a vigilante at night, while Two-Face is the noble Harvey Dent, and a cold-blooded supervillain; the key difference is that Two-Face is both identities at the same time and wears both of his faces at the same time, and is unable to completely switch between the two identities, while Batman switches between his identities. The fourth reason is that Two-Face is truly unpredictable, considering that, depending on the outcome of a coin flip, he might do something good, something evil, or nothing at all, which is truly unpredictable and genuinely terrifying, unlike the Joker, whose crimes are basically jokes that only he finds funny, and actually always have a point and even a pattern. The fifth reason is that Two-Face poses a greater threat than the Joker, considering that the Joker was a complete nobody before he became a supervillain, while Harvey Dent was a district attorney, so naturally he would use his skills and resources as a criminal: he knows Gotham inside out, he has nearly endless connections, he knows everything there is to know about the law and the legal system, and he should also have far greater ease with amassing an army of henchmen, unlike all of the other villains, and he already has the connections, the information, the schemes, the leadership skills, and the experience.
The first reason why the Scarecrow should be Batman’s archnemesis is because they both use the same weapon: fear; Batman dresses like a bat and uses theatrics and acting to scare criminals, while the Scarecrow dresses like a scarecrow (usually) and uses his fear toxin to fill his victims with terror. The second reason is that the Scarecrow is, or should be, a master manipulator, since Dr. Jonathan Crane was a psychologist before he became the Scarecrow, either as a professor of psychology, a private practitioner, or even the head doctor of Arkham Asylum, so he should know everything there is to know about the mind and what buttons to press, and he has the ability to deduce a person’s worst fears just by talking to them, and he should be able to scare people with mere words, instead of being dependent on his fear toxin to scare people. The third reason is that he is the most evil man in Gotham, moreso than the Joker or Victor Zsasz, who murder people left and right, while the Scarecrow actually keeps his victims alive so he can torture them, not with physical pain, but with psychological terror, forcing people, usually innocent people, to experience their worst nightmares.
Some other Batman villains who need to be fixed are: Basil Karlo/Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Riddler, Killer Croc, the Penguin, Jervis Tetch/Mad Hatter, Killer Moth, the Scarecrow, and Black Mask.
Mr. Rogues's Top 3 favorite Batman villains are the Riddler, the Scarecrow, and Two-Face. He even made a video stating reasons why each villain should be Batman's arch-nemesis.
Edward Nigma, better known as the Riddler, would be a good arch-nemesis for Batman because he is a master schemer and tech genius who could bring Gotham to its knees without needing to leave his hideout (which should make him a far greater threat than the Joker). He also tests Batman's intellect and his title of "World's Greatest Detective" like no one else, he directly targets and challenges Batman, and he actually wants to defeat Batman (unlike the Joker), and he wears bright colors, and he likes to talk and brag to everybody about how smart he is, unlike Batman, who is quiet and taciturn, and wears dark, muted colors.
Dr. Jonathan Crane, better known as the Scarecrow, would be a good arch-nemesis for Batman because he and Batman both weaponize fear, so Batman and the Scarecrow could be the 2 contenders for the title of "Master of Fear". Additionally, Dr. Jonathan Crane was a psychologist before he became the Scarecrow, so he should know everything there is to know about the mind, and therefore, he should be able to deduce a person's greatest fears just by talking to them for a period of time, and he could fill a person with terror just by talking to them without even needing to use his fear toxin, and he could manipulate anybody into doing anything he wants them to do.
Two-Face would be a good arch-nemesis for Batman because he is Batman's most personal foe because, as a former District Attorney, he was Batman's ally, and he was Bruce Wayne's best friend. Since he makes important moral decisions based on the result of a coin flip, he is truly unpredictable. As a former district attorney, he also poses a far greater threat than the Joker because he knows Gotham inside out, and he knows everything about the law and the legal system, and since he has nearly endless connections, the leadership skills, and experience, he should easily be able to amass, organize, and lead an army of goons, better than the Riddler, Bane, the Penguin, or the Joker (except for Ra's al Ghul, who has led the League of Assassins for literally hundreds of years, until he was succeeded by his daughter, Talia al Ghul, whom he has taught everything he knows).
Mr. Rogues has an unhealthy obsession with Harvey
@@flintlockwood25 Most so-called Batman fans appear to have an unhealthy obsession with the Joker, and they believe the Joker is Batman's greatest enemy.
Harvey Dent was a friend of Bruce Wayne and an ally of Batman, so his connection is far more personal for Batman than the Joker or any other villain. His skills and resources as a former District Attorney also make him a greater threat than the Joker or the Penguin.
@@friedrodent112it's not just about that though, what makes the joker Batman's arch nemesis is the fact that he truly is Batman's opposite, he doesn't care about life, he wants to cause chaos and destruction just because he can. If you take his one bad day thing as backstory then he really is the opposite of Bruce, who became a hero after said bad day. The fact there isn't a connection to Bruce is an improvement to me, he doesn't care about who's under the mask because that's not what matters, and the same applies to Batman, doesn't matter who the Joker was, what matters is who he is and i find it fascinating to have his greatest villain be someone who was never really wronged in the same way someone like Harvey or even Bruce was, in fact, he doesn't seem to care, once again, he is ideologically opposed to Batman, who is defined by his past
Although, i do think he is overutilized as of late, he loses impact the more stuff he's in
one of my favorite things that the arkham series did with batman is it made him always refer to the villains by their names when talking to them one on one. and its shown perfectly with two face the joker and the arkham knight (prior to his unmasking) with two face it’s how he’s still harvey dent but he’s harvey dent being manipulated by a man wanting to give him everything he wanted the easy way while batman is trying to be the one showing he can get what he wants by working hard. with the joker there is no human no name no man just evil incarnate. and with the knight there’s no person just the villain. it’s why batman can actually hurt them without guilt. like i unironically think batman would’ve nearly killed the arkham knight if he didn’t get hit by fear toxic as bad
Great video, one small thing tho: In at least some versions of the story, there is no indication that he didn't get any help because of being from a impoverished background. In fact this was more the result of his father being a "respected" police officer who, even if Harvey's mother would muster up the courage to report him, would simply have his colleagues cover it up.
Another thing I forgot to mention is that this of course sadly contributed to his later nihilistic breakdown as Two-Face, and having in general a very poor opinion of cops when he was still a prosecutor, having suffered first-hand the corrupt hypocrisy of the GCPD. I think this even went so far that, before he started working with him more closely to bring down the mafia, he initially dismissed Gordon as just another hypocrite that the corrupt brass would parade around before the media as a "hero cop". His father, while being no detective or high-hanked pencil pusher, was apparently a well-connected beat cop with lots of influence, who was celebrated by the public as a "hero"...while being at home a sadist beating his family for little to no provocation. In some twisted way he indeed ended up becoming something similar like his old man, just without hiding his dark impulses.
Best part from the Animated Series and yet, you forgot to mention his third, and most cool personality that tried to kill him without realizing he was him.
Another brilliant video! Fascinating dive into his psyche: using random chance as a crutch to avoid accepting Gotham as a dark nihilistic nightmare, and his repressed childhood torment resurfacing. I haven't seen Two-face ever explored in this level of depth befofe. This truly does frame him as an awfully tragic villain. Can't wait for your next one! 😀
Love what you're doing with your new videos. Just turn the volume up and you're gold 👌
Ahh thanks for the feedback! Honestly I always err on the side of turning myself down because I find the sound of my own voice so grating 🥲
@@AuthorsAnvil haha I feel the same about my own voice. But you actually have a good speaking voice. 👍 Loved your Superman video.
you say we'd save gotham...
im sorry harvey...
Wow you've now made videos of 2/5 of my favorite DC characters, we seem to have some shared taste. Great videos, keep them up!
I would say Harvey is up there as one of the most tragic, but I gotta stick with Mr. Freeze as being the most tragic. Not everyone is a lawyer with an affinity for justice, but everyone has fallen in love and we can all agree that we would do anything to save our special someone (Family, friend, lover, spouse, child, pet, anything), especially if we know we can save them and don't wanna have them ripped ripped away from us.
Victor isn't a bad guy or a villain, he's a loving husband trying to save his world.
Two banger characters in a row! Can we go for 3?
I love these videos please make more, I can be patient because I know good things take time to make, take as long as you need. Just make more
Will do! Just gotta enjoy my recent marriage a little more ;)
Batman's most tragic antagonist and second greatest failure, next to the former's own 'son', Jason Todd.
Yo this was a really good video I was wondering if you could do a video on the silver surfer I feel like he would be a good character to analyse
If WB / DC were SMART, they'd get to work on Arkham Origins Two and make it ALL ABOUT Two Face, The Falcones, The Riddler and The Court of Owls. And Two Face is made the FACE VILLAIN of the whole game (Two Face is given "the Joker Villain Role" from Origins and Asylum). Have the game show the rise of Two Face and his first major attack on Gotham City.
Thank you for making this video, it was interesting. 👍
Great insight into one of the most iconic villains! I think the sound was a bit low for the video but amazing content nonetheless.
Two face is my favorite villain
If two face only outcomes are both positive. Meaning, flipping a quarter is 25c both ways no matter what.
Harvey Kent should have had his own movie, done in the style of Joker. Bruce Wayne could be his childhood friend who as an adult shares his goal of ridding Gotham of the Maroni crime family
What if I told you 70s-90s Joker AND Two-Face share the gold medal far as I am concerned ?
Hi! I really enjoyed the video and I look forward to more analysis from you but I will say the audio was quite low and it was difficult to hear
Thanks for feedback! Will make sure it's better balanced for the next video :)
Although Harvey never talks about it like this, I kind of think that the reason he makes such huge momentous decision based on his coin is the same reason Aton Chigurgh (sp?) sort of gives in his opening scene in 'No Country For Old Men'
It's an insult.
The tragedy of Harvey is based on people who were NOT 'bad' betraying him on behalf of those that are. It's based in the corruption of every day people that terrible people like Rupert Thorne, Sal Maroni or the Joker found it too easy to achieve. So Harvey takes it to a whole new level: if people are going to be that 'flippant' (ha-ha), that fickle with what should be basic moral questions, well then let's reduce this to what they're really doing.
I don't see it really as a method of dealing with the world. I see it has his own personal 'screw you' to a world that refuses to be as decent as it says it is, and expects everyone to just get with the program without so much as a conversation about it.
And the sad part is people like Gordon and Batman, who put up with this as well, have to watch this all go down and blame themselves for something that's not their fault. It's SOMEBODY'S fault, for sure, but not theirs.
Mary Dahl [aka Baby-Doll] is the most tragic villan,Baby Doll is portrayed as an actress driven to insanity by prejudice against a condition which prevented her from physically-aging. While intelligent and disturbed, she assumes the persona of a joyful sitcom toddler and gimmicks herself around television shows and children's toys.
Another great choice here, yeah Baby-Doll is super tragic as well.
Wow just wow
He's barely used in batman
Two Face is sort of the exception to the rule in Nihilist thought. The majority of Nihilist philosophy, no matter what the starting point is, ends with "The world is inherently ugly so it is our duty to celebrate beauty as it is the little good in an arbitrary existence" also that fear of failure and rejection are non factors. Its like two face buys into Lou Andreas authoritarian interpretation of nihilism where you must force meaning onto a meaningless world. That is the minority of Nihilist thought
It still falls within nihilist angle of world. Different conclusion can be drawn from same presented fact "world is inherently meaningless" and Harvey concluded that all decisions are inherently meaningless and can be decided on random chance.
Which one are u gonna do first out of my list
Most tragic villain?
This dudes insanity just gets him a second bimbo and a coin gimmick. Baby Doll is by far the most tragic villain in Batman's rogues gallery and she is probably the most tragic character in the DC universe. Her situation is even worse than what Clayface endures in terms of sheer body horror. This is a woman who desperately desires to be seen as a woman trapped in the body of a child. When you actually consider that all of her lovers were probably pedophiles and that her ideal partner is Killer Croc the whole thing just gets so much worse. The fact that her idea of love is homicide doesn't help either but one can understand given her predicament.
Turn the damn sound up! I have the volume set at maximum, and I can still only barely hear you.
You’re deaf kid
Is he the most tragic?
Hard to tell, it’s a coin flip 🤣🤣🤣
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